Roswell UFO Was Not Of This Earth Ex-CIA Agent Says

[barracuda]

There's a lovely bookstore at the entrance to the rabbit hole, but at the exit there's just a spittoon.

[zuestorz]

There's a lovely bookstore at the entrance to the rabbit hole, but at the exit there's just a spittoon.

yeah, and no white rabbit nor Grace Slick to be seen anywhere.

[OpLan]

I heard she sells ice cream during the intermission

[justdrew]

ya know, I'd swear someone else has made this same exact claim, that they'd seen a box of proof or knew of the box of "proof" in the cia's history vault

You might be thinking of Daniel Sheehan in the Library of Congress.

I think it was one of the "high old ones" in a project Camelot interview, probably Bob Dean

(which would fit with my theory that certain 'senior' members of the cottage ufo industry set key points of info, then others pick up bits and pieces down the line)

I'm now vaguely recall a line something like, "...I know exactly where the proof is, it's in a box in cia headquarters..." - but I suppose he may have been told that by this guy, hard to say which way the story went.

So we have some proof this guy really is CIA? I take it that's confirmed? How does the CIA confirm/deny prior employees?

[Elvis]

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According to the Coast to Coast AM website, Chase Brandon (fake name or what, btw?) is going to the guest again tonight. He was just on in June! wtf. I'll probably hear at least some of it, and the difference between the first interviewer, John B. Wells, and tonight's, George Noory, might be interesting. I wonder, does Noory want to skew things differently? Or is this 'Roswell is real' message being amped? More likely it's just a hot topic for Coast to Coast---CIA, aliens, spaceships, what more could you ask for? Like the Alien-in-the-freezer guy, remember him? And his "Yes-we-do-have-a-screenplay-in-preparation" pal who made the first calls? They were on again and again. They had a terrific story and turned out to be complete shysters.

But I digress. He's on in 30 minutes, I'll try to take notes.

[justdrew]

(found the pic I was looking for)

[Joe Hillshoist]

(found the pic I was looking for)

I'm stealing that now.

[Elvis]

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I missed most of it after a friend stopped by, but did hear Brandon lay out the reasons he's convinced that the JFK assassination was a complex conspiracy---BUT, of course, the CIA was not involved one little iota.

He went on to talk about "the box" of Roswell papers and the incident generally. He really got into detail and frankly made an excellent case for the existence of ETs and their visiting Earth etc.

Despite that I still couldn't say where the gy is coming from. It's possible things are compartmentalized to the point where Brandon isn't really aware of many CIA crimes and really believes the white-hat fairy tale.

[Elvis]

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... Bill Clinton was on the NPR radio game show "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me" and someone asked him whether he discovered anything about UFOs while in office. He said he tried to find out but couldn't find anything. The host suggested that maybe 'they' just didn't tell him the truth; Clinton said, "There's no telling what they don't tell you..." and just as he started down that intriguing path, some idiot on the panel interrupted him with some lame unrelated question. I wanted to strangle the guy! But that one comment from Clinton was certainly interesting.

I found the exchange in the NPR audio archive, along with the text transcript of the so-called "Director's cut" version of the program, and, apparently, the Roswell portion was aired with the "best of" replay, and that's what I heard on the radio (the Roswell exchange was cut from the first airing):

http://www.npr.org/2011/08/27/139980806/bill-clinton-plays-not-my-job

We weren't able to play the whole interview when President Clinton joined us earlier this year to play Not My Job, so here's the director's cut.

[...]

SAGAL: Well, we have a game to play with you but I've got one more question for you, because I haven't talked to a president before. So what happened at Roswell and who killed JFK?

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

CLINTON: Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I believe the Warren Commission report was correct.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

SAGAL: That's disappointing.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

CLINTON: We actually celebrated the anniversary of Roswell.

SAGAL: Yes.

CLINTON: When I was president.

SAGAL: With the aliens?

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

CLINTON: No. And most people thought because of that movie that the alien had been moved to Area 54 in Nevada.

SAGAL: Yeah.

CLINTON: You remember the...

SAGAL: I do, yeah.

CLINTON: So that's what one guy figured they moved the aliens from Roswell to Area 54 in Nevada. The answer is no on both counts.

(SOUNDBITE OF LAUGHTER)

CLINTON: But all I can tell you is this.

SAGAL: Yes.

CLINTON: I'm not so sure there's not life somewhere in outer space. What do I know? And I know that the Hubble Telescope identified a planet in the constellation Libra several light years outside our own solar system. It seems to be far enough away from its sun that it might be enough like earth to support life. But I read everything I could get my hands on, on Roswell, and nothing I read persuaded me that it was an alien sighting, or landing.

SAGAL: Maybe they were keeping it from you. I'm just suggesting.

CLINTON: Yeah, they could have. Lord knows what they keep from you. But I hope...

JOBRANI: Sir?

CLINTON: Go ahead.

JOBRANI: I'm sorry, this is Moz. I have one question for you too. When you went to North Korea with Kim Jong-Il.

CLINTON: Yeah.

JOBRANI: He requested you

[END of Roswell topic]

This is the "idiot" who interrupted just as the former president of the United States was about to reveal something damned interesting: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maz_Jobrani

I never thought the interrupter was anything more than an attention-seeker, but when I tell friends about the panelist interruptiong Clinton's Roswell topic, they say something like, "There are probably people put on those shows just for that purpose, to steer conversations back onto the reservation." Is Maz Jobranzi another suspicious comedian?

(This subject came back to me when Jeff started the Lounge thread about Bobcat Goldthwait, who is himself a regular panelist on "Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me"; I'd never really heard of Maz Jobrani before now, but I've always found Bobcat Goldthwait rather irksome, and my vague suspicions about him weren't eased any by his new Bigfoot movie.)


For what it's worth, I found this, the only mention of that "Roswell" exhange, on a site called UfoUpDates:

http://ufoupdateslist.com/2012/jul/m24-001.shtml

>From: Rich Heiden <rwheidenu.nul>
>To: post.nul
>Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2012 13:31:08 -0700 (PDT)
>Subject: Bill Clinton Talks About Roswell On The Radio

>On July 8 I heard a repeat of a Wait Wait... Don't Tell Me show
>on National Public Radio. This had highlights of previous
>programs, including Bill Clinton from June 2011, with his reply
>to host Carl Kasell's question about Roswell.

[note: the host and questioner was Peter Sagal; Carl Kasell is the announcer. -- Elvis]


>For Clinton, it said that this version included additional
>material not broadcast originally. I had heard this
>retrospective show before and taken notes, but this time,
>knowing what was coming, I got a tape in the recorder to tape
>the Roswell part.

>With the help of Grant Cameron, I later found the show online
>(all three broadcasts) - both audio and imprecise transcripts.

>Though Clinton's mis-numbered "Area 54" is an accurate
>transcription. Expanded "director's cuts": 13 min. 48 seconds,
>from 27 Aug. 2011 show

>http://tinyurl.com/c7xrdas

<snip>

You can see from this transcript that if nothing else the man
has an excellent sense of humour, and a genuinely self
depracating one at that - no doubt a vital component in a class
act that positions him as the political Elvis.

However, as with any sharp political operator, it is possible to
extract a clear sub-text from any public pronouncement. In this
instance we have the Roswell Question usefully packaged with the
JFK assassination issue. From the response you can immediately
see that Bill is sticking to the party line recommended in two
key briefings (the one for all incoming presidents and the one
for all outgoing presidents - the briefings that answer the
questions that all presidents with any intellectual curiosity
will have, and which arm incumbents for any curve balls they are
thrown for the remainder of their lifetimes).

So we can just deduce from this what the briefings on JFK and
UFOs actually amount to: "Well sir, the truth of the matter is
that we just don't know what the truth actually is. Whatever
you might suspect the truth to be, the chances are that the real
facts are more more worrying and bewildering than that. In light
of this you are are urged to stick rigidly to the official story on
these matters - a policy that served your predecessors well and
which avoids all the potential difficulties that any other position
would inevitably entail."

Thus, on the surface, there's nothing to see here, folks, so
kindly move along. But Bill does have this wonderful sense of
humour, and he just can't resist using it to give a guarded clue
as to the real nature of things: he very specifically says that
Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. I take this as an indication that
he wants us to know that he doesn't believe the party line and
the official story, and that he thinks we're all crazy if we do.

Gerald O'Connell

I would love to get high and/or drunk with Bill Clinton, I bet I could get him to "talk."

[Nordic]

If the opportunity ever arises, ask him about Mena.

[JackRiddler]

You guys understand that Chase Brandon was the CIA liaison to Hollywood and TV production for a dozen years? He's effectively a co-producer on Hollywood projects. And I don't see him doing anything different today. Must be disappointed to be hawking his book this way, instead of having made it into the Olympus of a studio production. But he'll get it there.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Seems relevant, yeah?

Via: http://us.macmillan.com/author/chasebrandon

Chase Brandon is a thirty-five year operations officer in the CIA’s Clandestine Service. He lived undercover for twenty-five years and retired from undercover assignments in 2006, but continues to consult with several intelligence community agencies, the Department of Defense, and numerous state and federal law enforcement organizations. In his final assignment, Brandon was a senior staff officer for the director of the Central Intelligence Agency, serving as an Agency spokesman and CIA's official liaison to the entertainment industry. He provided technical consultation to many feature films, television series, and documentary programs, such as Mission Impossible III, The Bourne Identity, Alias, and 24, and the Discovery, Learning, and Military Channels.

Via: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CIA_influe ... ic_opinion

In the mid-1990s, the CIA named Chase Brandon, an operations officer who was assigned to South America, as liaison to Hollywood. Brandon's film credits include The Recruit, The Sum of All Fears, Enemy of the State, Bad Company and In the Company of Spies. He has consulted for television programs including The Agency, Alias and JAG. He has appeared on Discovery, Learning Channel, History Channel, PBS, A&E, and has been interviewed on E! Entertainment, Access Hollywood, and Entertainment Tonight.[

Patterson criticizes the CIA assistance as being only to complimentary productions, including not running material, such as "the original pilot episode of The Agency, which was pulled. It featured the spymasters preventing a plot by a Bin Laden-backed terrorist cell to blow up a fictionalized Harrods. The airing of such an episode might have pointed up the real CIA's corresponding lack of success in foiling the World Trade Center attacks."

According to Brandon, the agency would not endorse Spy Game, starring Robert Redford and Brad Pitt. The final rewrite "showed our senior management in an insensitive light and we just wouldn't want to be a part of that kind of project", said Brandon, who also withheld approval from 24, a Fox series about a fictional intelligence agency, CTU, that also suggests all is not hunky-dory in the company's upper echelons. And The Bourne Identity, based on the 1984 novel by Robert Ludlum, was "so awful that I tossed it in the burn bag after page 25".

Patterson observed "It used to be the case that if a movie explicitly condemned CIA actions - such as Under Fire - the studios could be counted on to bury it. That was no longer true after Costa-Gavras's Missing won Jack Lemmon an Oscar in 1982, and Iran-Contra slimed the CIA in the late 1980s. Since then, "CIA renegade" has become a dependable staple not just of big-budget movies like Enemy of the State, but also of a million straight-to-cable action-schlockfests starring Chuck Norris or Steven Seagal."

In 2012, Tricia Jenkins released a book, The CIA in Hollywood: How the Agency Shapes Film and Television, which further documents the CIA's efforts at manipulating its public image through entertainment media from the 1990s to the present. The book explains that the CIA has used motion pictures to boost recruitment, mitigate public affairs disasters (like Aldrich Ames), bolster its own image, and even intimidate terrorists through disinformation campaigns.

And, re: the OP: LMFAO @ the box marked 'Roswell' laying around in the archives!

Surely he should have consulted with a professional screenwriter on that one.

[Wombaticus Rex]

The Cryptos angle is interesting because it indicates a longer-term setup is possible, rather than merely coopting a conveniently available prop...

Via: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/0 ... efore-cia/

When decrypted, the passage hinted at something buried:

It was totally invisible. How’s that possible? They used the Earth’s magnetic field. x The information was gathered and transmitted underground to an unknown location. x Does Langley know about this? They should: It’s buried out there somewhere. x Who knows the exact location? Only WW. This was his last message. x Thirty-eight degrees fifty-seven minutes six point five seconds north, seventy-seven degrees eight minutes forty-four seconds west. ID by rows.

The cryptanalysts correctly guessed that WW referred to William Webster, which Wired confirmed in 2005 during an interview with artist Sanborn. “The coordinates,” the memo noted, “refer to the location of or a location within the Central Intelligence Agency.” But the significance of the I.D. by Rows? That remained “undetermined,” the NSA’s puzzle crackers wrote.

...

“In part of the code that’s been deciphered, I refer to an act that took place when I was at the agency and a location that’s on the ground of the agency,” Sanborn told Wired in 2005. He may be referring to something he buried on the CIA grounds, though he won’t say for sure. The decrypted text gives latitude and longitude coordinates (38 57 6.5 N, 77 8 44 W), which Sanborn has said refer to “locations of the agency.” So sleuths will have to first decipher the code then find their way onto the CIA grounds and locate that place in order to finally discover what it all means.

GeoHack: http://toolserver.org/~geohack/geohack. ... 77_8_44_W_

William Webster is a rare breed: both CIA and FBI.

[PufPuf93]

I like high weirdness and have never been much into UFOs.

However, I bought a 1st Edition of Philip Corso's The Day After Roswell with the Strom Thurmond's later retracted introduction. Corso claims that he managed technology transfer by reverse engineering from the Roswell debris. We allegedly got good stuff like printed circuit boards, stealth technology, and Velcro from this program.

Corso named names, his CV, etc and also appeared on Coast to Coast before his death. I just read the book finally Spring 2013 after lugging it around for over a decade with the understanding it was a literary hoax, a cover for what the PTB (CIA, DIA, Deep State, ...) might want the public to believe or question.

I have been a PKD person since the 1960s so would expect alien contact to be more esoteric.

[elfismiles]

I like high weirdness and have never been much into UFOs.

However, I bought a 1st Edition of Philip Corso's The Day After Roswell with the Strom Thurmond's later retracted introduction. Corso claims that he managed technology transfer by reverse engineering from the Roswell debris. We allegedly got good stuff like printed circuit boards, stealth technology, and Velcro from this program.

Corso named names, his CV, etc and also appeared on Coast to Coast before his death. I just read the book finally Spring 2013 after lugging it around for over a decade with the understanding it was a literary hoax, a cover for what the PTB (CIA, DIA, Deep State, ...) might want the public to believe or question.

I have been a PKD person since the 1960s so would expect alien contact to be more esoteric.

Yay! DickHeads Unite!

RE: Corso ... I too have never yet read this book but I just recently came across reference to someone (can't remember where or whom - maybe in AJ's AREA-51 book?) who claims to have interacted with Corso. Of course, I believe most of Corso's credentials were verified, it was just the more exotic recovered ET/UFO claims that are obviously more difficult to do so with.