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barracuda wrote:Panic Weather wrote:"Revolt" is a dangerous, politically-loaded word. Most people will not associate non-violence with the word "revolt."
We need people whose polemic can serve move the Overton Window to a position in which non-violent rebellion, disobedience, sabotage and strike are seen as moderate, acceptable forms of public action against the grievances which are destroying the world. If Hedges wishes to perform that function, god bless his ass.
barracuda wrote:If Hedges wishes to perform that function, god bless his ass.
nashvillebrook wrote:My experience in Occupy and as an organizer, is that folks are eager to protest. The problem is that protest culture is fragmented, and Alex Jonesery has contributed to that fragmentation, with the conspiratorial distrust of "organization" itself.
Chris Hedges wrote:"We have to stop believing that we can effect change through established political or social organizations or electoral politics, and I think that still remains a huge hurdle for us people who in the end, through accommodation of fear and very clever advertising, are herded like sheep into a dysfunctional system, which is how so many people who should have known better voted for Obama."
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/liv ... g_20100721
lupercal wrote:The function that Hedges and Greenwald wish to perform is depressing the Dem turnout. If that isn't obvious by now you're not looking very hard.
barracuda wrote:I don't have a problem with criticism of the Democrats, myself. I'm sort of sad that you do.
lupercal wrote:Criticism of Democrats is one thing, but what Hedges and Greenwald do is something else entirely.
Now as to credentials: the last time I asked about yours my answer was a one-month suspension, so the question still remains, when was the last time you voted in California, let alone for a Democrat (that would be June for me and I have the sticker to prove it, also a ballot receipt),
but rather than repeat that little drama let me just aver that this is an anonymous discussion forum and there's no point getting personal.
lupercal wrote: I have in fact raised money for candidates, small sums perhaps but I've hawked many a button for my own third party and supported it in other ways including direct contribution, canvassing, voter registration, signature gathering, of which a surprising amount is required to field candidates in 3rd party races, and plain old GOTV. As for Dems, yes I've contributed to national and local campaigns and likewise supported Dem candidates in other ways including of course voting for them.
lupercal wrote: I've hawked many a button for my own third party
lupercal wrote:The war in Iraq for example is over . What ended it? Faux demonstrations organized by the Koch brothers and others?
No, the ballot box: Obama promised to end it, he was voted in, he ended it, and the troops have been out of there since Dec. 15.
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