new technology makes solar cheaper than coal, says company

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Postby Elihu » Sun Jan 27, 2013 10:31 am

They're actually doing something like that in Germany:

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/09/21/world ... index.html

Founded by Sladek and a few friends in 1991, EWS is a citizen-owned co-operative that powers 120,000 homes across Germany, using only sustainable energy supplies.

Which is brilliant. It lets all the small guys pool their resources and compete with the big guys.


careful gentlemen. you're messing with some centralized and powerful interests with talk like this. there are only certain business models they are able to pursue which involve the law and everyone. this unauthorized, individual initiative is just not going to cut it. prediction (if my logic is correct): these results, generated by people whose actions have matched their professed concern, will be derided by the establishment as inadequate and not big ENOUGH (should they begin to be emulated wide scale). pass the word, scream it from the mountaintops. to heck with oligarchy.

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Case Study: Solar power cooperative
WRITTEN BY ANDREW WILLIAMS | 23 MAY 2012

UK community group Repowering South London has successfully completed the initial stage of the capital's first cooperatively owned solar power project on social housing.

As part of the scheme, known as Brixton Energy Solar 1, the group installed several hundred square metres of solar panels on the roof of Elmore House in the inner-city Loughborough Estate in Brixton. The 37.24 kWp system, which was installed by Southern Solar in March, is made up of a total of 152 x 245w ET P660 solar panels, fitted alongside two Wagner & Co inverters and a TRIC racking system, also from Wagner & Co.

According to Agamemnon Otero, Co-founder, Director & Project Manager of Brixton Energy and Repowering South London, the project was motivated by concerns around peak oil, peak gas, climate change and social injustice.

"Concerned residents came together around a common goal of decentralised co-operatively owned renewable energy for the welfare of our neighbourhood," he explains.

At this stage, communal spaces such as lifts will be powered by the array, which will offset a total of 13 tonnes of carbon annually. However, although a reduced energy rate has been negotiated with the housing association, the nature of the existing house billing and metering system means that there will not yet be a direct reduction in the price paid by residents.

Community energy efficiency fund

Following a model used successfully elsewhere in the UK, the Solar1 project has been established as a co-operative society - a not-for-profit organisation jointly owned and operated by a group of people for their mutual benefit.

"They are democratic enterprises, operating with a one member, one vote policy. This means, for instance, that the members of the Co-operative will decide collectively who will serve on the Board of Directors and how to divide and distribute the income generated from the project," explains Otero.

Funding for the initiative was raised by a community share offer, which promises to provide a return to investors of up to 3% annually. A total of 81 people, mostly from the local area, invested sums ranging from £250 to £20,000, helping to raise an impressive £58,000 in less than a month.

A key innovation is the incorporation of a Community Energy Efficiency Fund, which takes a percentage of the profit that would typically flow into an annual share payment to investors, and diverts it into a separate fund devoted to investing in energy-saving improvements in the local area

"The use of the Fund will be overseen by the directors of the Co-operative. However, initiatives will always be developed through consultation with the local community and by voting from the full co-operative members," says Otero.

These initiatives range from the promotion and installation of low-cost energy efficiency measures to local awareness raising workshops and work-experience on installations - one Loughborough Estate resident even had the opportunity to work on the installation with Southern Solar.

Community support

So far, the reaction amongst the local community has been overwhelmingly positive. Although the project team, which consists entirely of locals, have unrelated jobs and, as Otero puts it, “struggle with daily trials and tribulations,” they continue to offer their unflinching support - support that ran to 2,200 hours of time over the last year at meetings in local Brixton pubs and at the Loughborough Community Centre.

"We have a diverse range of expertise beyond the normal 'wash, clean, cook, garden and feed' type, including research, legal, project management, journalism, engineering, web development, communications, grant writing, finance, sales, behavioural change and civil administration expertise, and more!" says Otero.

He explains that Loughborough residents, “Brixtonians” and Lambeth councillors all feel the project has been a success, and he highlights the fact that further affirmation from the local community can be measured by the numerous consultations and surveys carried out by the project team, as well as the response from the 81 investors, 150 people who signed up on the project website and the 270 Twitter followers. He also points to the results of a door-to-door survey of Elmore house residents, which found that almost everyone (90%) is interested in saving energy and most (64%) think that it's a good idea for electricity generation to be owned by the community.

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"The community was of the utmost importance, as they made it happen! In total, we had nine investors from the Loughborough estate, some 11% of all investors. [In addition], 85% were from Lambeth and 98% from London," he says.

"While a few of us work in the renewable sector, the volunteer team that formed over the 15 months prior is the reason why this project has been so successful. Most importantly, we can boast enthusiasm, and the courage to attempt courteous group dialogue around really hard issues of social welfare," he adds.
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Re: new technology makes solar cheaper than coal, says compa

Postby undead » Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:48 am

Elihu wrote:i really want to praise that post in general but i don't think for the reasons you posted it.


I'm just curious - what were the reasons I posted it? Certainly there was hyperbole, but I think my point is pretty clear. I do oversimplify the empathic deficit of the elite overlords with the worn-out metaphor of non-human nature. This metaphor is easy to misunderstand and I should really think of a concise way to convey that without calling them lizard aliens or Neanderthals. Evolution is so close and yet so far away. A lot of people will die before it happens, unfortunately.
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Re: new technology makes solar cheaper than coal, says compa

Postby slimmouse » Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:33 pm

I recently watched "who killed the Electric Car" on HBO of all places.

It confirmed a few thoughts about how all this works.

Im pretty sure that combining efficient electrical motors with Tesla technology for generating electricity was where humanity could have gone, or certainly where the 99.99999% would have liked.

In such circumstances youre home would be your fuel station. You'd most likely be generating, or receiving all the energy you needed.

But of course the Robber Barons would not and will not have any of that.

If you've got an entire planet of humans essentially under control, by ensuring that almost everyone spends a substantial percentage of their earnings paying energy bills, then until sufficient people understand that it not only shouldn't but needn't be that way, then I regret to inform you that this is just how its gonna be.
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Re: new technology makes solar cheaper than coal, says compa

Postby Luther Blissett » Wed May 17, 2017 11:19 am

This could go in pretty much any thread since it touches on climate change, universal basic income, the death of the oil industry, the great american streetcar conspiracy, etc.

All fossil-fuel vehicles will vanish in 8 years in twin ‘death spiral’ for big oil and big autos, says study that’s shocking the industries

No more petrol or diesel cars, buses, or trucks will be sold anywhere in the world within eight years. The entire market for land transport will switch to electrification, leading to a collapse of oil prices and the demise of the petroleum industry as we have known it for a century.

This is the futuristic forecast by Stanford University economist Tony Seba. His report, with the deceptively bland title Rethinking Transportation 2020-2030, has gone viral in green circles and is causing spasms of anxiety in the established industries.

Seba’s premise is that people will stop driving altogether. They will switch en masse to self-drive electric vehicles (EVs) that are ten times cheaper to run than fossil-based cars, with a near-zero marginal cost of fuel and an expected lifespan of 1 million miles.

Only nostalgics will cling to the old habit of car ownership. The rest will adapt to vehicles on demand. It will become harder to find a petrol station, spares, or anybody to fix the 2,000 moving parts that bedevil the internal combustion engine. Dealers will disappear by 2024.

Cities will ban human drivers once the data confirms how dangerous they can be behind a wheel. This will spread to suburbs, and then beyond. There will be a “mass stranding of existing vehicles”. The value of second-hard cars will plunge. You will have to pay to dispose of your old vehicle.

It is a twin “death spiral” for big oil and big autos, with ugly implications for some big companies on the London Stock Exchange unless they adapt in time.

The long-term price of crude will fall to US$25 a barrel. Most forms of shale and deep-water drilling will no longer be viable. Assets will be stranded. Scotland will forfeit any North Sea bonanza. Russia, Saudi Arabia, Nigeria, and Venezuela will be in trouble.

It is an existential threat to Ford, General Motors, and the German car industry. They will face a choice between manufacturing EVs in a brutal low-profit market, or reinventing themselves a self-drive service companies, variants of Uber and Lyft.

They are in the wrong business. The next generation of cars will be “computers on wheels”. Google, Apple, and Foxconn have the disruptive edge, and are going in for the kill. Silicon Valley is where the auto action is, not Detroit, Wolfsburg, or Toyota City.

The shift, according to Seba, is driven by technology, not climate policies. Market forces are bringing it about with a speed and ferocity that governments could never hope to achieve.

“We are on the cusp of one of the fastest, deepest, most consequential disruptions of transportation in history,” Prof Seba said. “Internal combustion engine vehicles will enter a vicious cycle of increasing costs.”

The “tipping point” will arrive over the next two to three years as EV battery ranges surpass 200 miles and electric car prices in the US drop to $30,000. By 2022 the low-end models will be down to $20,000. After that, the avalanche will sweep all before it.

“What the cost curve says is that by 2025 all new vehicles will be electric, all new buses, all new cars, all new tractors, all new vans, anything that moves on wheels will be electric, globally,” Prof Seba said.

“Global oil demand will peak at 100 million barrels per day by 2020, dropping to 70 million by 2030.” There will be oil demand for use in the chemical industries, and for aviation, though Nasa and Boeing are working on hybrid-electric aircraft for short-haul passenger flights.

Seba said the residual stock of fossil-based vehicles will take time to clear but 95 per cent of the miles driven by 2030 in the US will be in autonomous EVs for reasons of costs, convenience, and efficiency. Oil use for road transport will crash from 8 million barrels a day to 1 million.

The cost per mile for EVs will be 6.8 cents, rendering petrol cars obsolete. Insurance costs will fall by 90 per cent. The average American household will save $5,600 per year by making the switch. The US government will lose $50 billion a year in fuel taxes. Britain’s exchequer will be hit pari passu.

“Our research and modelling indicate that the $10 trillion annual revenues in the existing vehicle and oil supply chains will shrink dramatically,” Prof Seba said.

“Certain high-cost countries, companies, and fields will see their oil production entirely wiped out. Exxon-Mobil, Shell and BP could see 40 per cent to 50 per cent of their assets become stranded,” the report said.

These are all large claims, though familiar those on the cutting edge of energy technology. While the professor’s timing may be off by a few years, there is little doubt about the general direction.

India is drawing up plans to phase out all petrol and diesel cars by 2032, leap-frogging China in an electrification race across Asia. The brains trust of Primer Minister Mahendra Modi has called for a mix of subsidies, car-pooling, and caps on fossil-based cars. The goal is to cut pollution and break reliance on imported oil, but markets will pick up the baton quickly once the process starts.

China is moving in parallel, pushing for 7 million electric vehicles by 2025, enforced by a minimum quota for “new energy” vehicles that shifts the burden for the switch onto manufacturers. “The trend is irreversible,” said Wang Chuanfu, head of the Chinese electric car producer BYD, backed by Warren Buffett’s Berkshire Hathaway.

At the same time, global shipping rules are clamping down on dirty high-sulphur oil used in the cargo trade, a move that may lead to widespread use of liquefied natural gas for ship fuel.

This is all happening much faster than Saudi Arabia and OPEC had assumed. The cartel’s World Oil Outlook last year dismissed electric vehicles as a fringe curiosity that would make little difference to ever-rising global demand for oil.

It predicted a jump in crude consumption by a further 16.4 million barrels a day to 109 million by 2040, with India increasingly taking over from China as growing market. The cartel said fossils will still make up 77 per cent of global energy use, much like today. It implicitly treated the Paris agreement on climate targets as empty rhetoric.

Whether OPEC believes its own claims is doubtful. Saudi Arabia’s actions suggest otherwise. The kingdom is hedging its bets by selling off chunks of the state oil giant Saudi Aramco to fund diversification away from oil.

OPEC, Russia, and the oil-exporting states are now caught in a squeeze and will probably be forced to extend output caps into 2018 to stop prices falling. Shale fracking in the US is now so efficient, and rebounding so fast, that it may cap oil prices in a range of US$45 to $55 until the end of the decade. By then the historic window will be closing.

Experts will argue over Seba’s claims. His broad point is that multiple technological trends are combining in a perfect storm. The simplicity of the EV model is breath-taking. The Tesla S has 18 moving parts, one hundred times fewer than a combustion engine car. “Maintenance is essentially zero. That is why Tesla is offering infinite-mile warranties. You can drive it to the moon and back and they will still warranty it,” Prof Seba said.

Self-drive “vehicles on demand” will be running at much higher levels of daily use than today’s cars and will last for 500,000 to 1 million miles each.

It has long been known that EVs are four times more efficient than petrol or diesel cars, which lose 80 per cent of their power in heat. What changes the equation is the advent of EV models with the acceleration and performance of a Lamborghini costing five or 10 times less to buy, and at least 10 times less to run.

“The electric drive-train is so much more powerful. The gasoline and diesel cars cannot possibly compete,” Seba said. The parallel is what happened to film cameras – and to Kodak – once digital rivals hit the market. It was swift and brutal. “You can’t compete with zero marginal costs,” he said.

The effect is not confined to cars. Trucks will switch in tandem. Over 70 per cent of US haulage routes are already within battery range, and batteries are getting better each year.

EVs will increase U.S. electricity demand by 18 per cent but that does not imply the need for more capacity. They will draw power at times of peak supply and release it during peak demand. They are themselves a storage reservoir, helping to smooth the effects of intermittent solar and wind, and to absorb excess base-load from power plants.

Mark Carney, the Governor of the Bank England and chairman of Basel’s Financial Stability Board, has repeatedly warned that fossil energy companies are booking assets that can never be burned under the Paris agreement.

He pointed out last year that it took only a small shift in global demand for coal to bankrupt three of the four largest coal-mining companies in short order. Other seemingly entrenched sectors could be just as vulnerable. He warned of a “Minsky moment”, if we do not prepare in time, where the energy revolution moves so fast that it precipitates a global financial crisis.

The crunch may be coming even sooner than he thought. The Basel Board may have to add the car industry to the mix. There will be losers. Whole countries will spin into crisis. The world’s geopolitical order will be reshaped almost overnight. But humanity as a whole should enjoy an enormous welfare gain.
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Re: new technology makes solar cheaper than coal, says compa

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 17, 2017 12:00 pm

^^^^thanks for that

folks need to be prepared....why do you think Tillerson/Putin needed a cooperating president?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M27KECEL5Zo


it's the quickening :)

conflict breeds consciousness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHHZkUiRP30
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Postby JojoCivil » Sun May 21, 2017 5:30 pm

In the v Tech nanoscience program three years back I witnessed graphene nanotube pv at 70%... unsuppressed that makes oil/coal/nuke irrelevant (except for nuke bombs and ship reactors)... i have developed a precis for Feynmills (brownian motion 'windmills') that supply energy from thermal potential and create localized cooling. End of energy needs and balm for warming in one... we shall see when/ if pub allow these things to come to the fore... and no, its not entirely up to me...
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Postby minime » Mon May 22, 2017 12:01 am

Jojo, thanks.

"and no, its not entirely up to me..."

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