What's With Homophobia In Conspiracy Culture?

[Occult Means Hidden]

I've known many liberals who suggested the "homosexuality as natural population control" meme.

You know, I have a theory. Maybe the "PTB" want OVER population. Aint no population reduction happening, if anything its the opposite.
I know...its a crackpot idea, as strange as my belief Iraq was engineered to be a collosal vaccuum of chaos flop. But I just dont see evidence.

Agree wholeheartedly. I think the reason for this is more about economics. It may be "easier" to control less people than more people, but the more general population that competes for resources that they do not have, the more they check themselves through competition. Think for example the wage system. Businessmen would be giddy over the prospect of a vast excess of workers out bidding each other for lower and lower wages.

[Hammer of Los]

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Judge not lest ye be judged.

We all be judged one day.

Maybe sooner dan dey tink.

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[stillrobertpaulsen]

Now this is what is really odd. "al Qaeda conspiracies". Ok Maddow, HOW THE FUCK could a would be jihadist believe BOTH in 9/11 being a government black op AND supporting jihadism/al Qaeda which CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY for 9/11?

In the mind of a jihadist, you can sum up that contradiction in one word: Israel. In the mind of Rachel Maddow, I don't know how you resolve that logical fallacy. Like I said before, I don't know if Maddow really buys all that "crazy" fluster in the first piece just to set it up for the second piece that has no logical resolution within the framework she claims to know the world operates under. Which is too bad; I'd like to see someone on TV with a conspiracy show that doesn't cater to homophobia, that doesn't view a woman's right to choose as "killing babies", that doesn't stoke racial fires. I wonder how long someone like that would last.

[JackRiddler]

If PTB want to restrict population, then they've decided to pursue the contrary strategy of pushing overpopulation until the bubble pops. Because if there's something that the ruling motherfuckers can agree on, from Wall Street Journal to the Vatican and its Islamist counterparts to the modern eugenicists who pushed yesterday's news story decrying the fact that "smart women" aren't reproducing enough, it's that the world needs lots more babies being pushed out, stat.

The real question is, what's with the tolerance among those who are aware of deep state issues and who are not idiots for homophobes, Nazis, racists, political stunt performers, shameless merchants, fucked-up Christianist preachers, and Alex Jones (who's got a bit of all the above)?

[Hammer of Los]

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(T)hose who are aware of deep state issues and who are not idiots for homophobes, Nazis, racists, political stunt performers, shameless merchants, fucked-up Christianist preachers, and Alex Jones (who's got a bit of all the above...

That's the vast, invisible constituency.

Good people who read books or newspapers or surf the web.

Not much is really hidden these days.

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[kool maudit]

the idea that the current world order has been established for strange and hidden reasons does not, in and of itself, require a person to hold late-20th century liberal/individualist ideas regarding sexuality or race.

that said, a lot of them are just cranks. bitter, enervated cranks.

so there's that too.

[8bitagent]

Now this is what is really odd. "al Qaeda conspiracies". Ok Maddow, HOW THE FUCK could a would be jihadist believe BOTH in 9/11 being a government black op AND supporting jihadism/al Qaeda which CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY for 9/11?

In the mind of a jihadist, you can sum up that contradiction in one word: Israel. In the mind of Rachel Maddow, I don't know how you resolve that logical fallacy. Like I said before, I don't know if Maddow really buys all that "crazy" fluster in the first piece just to set it up for the second piece that has no logical resolution within the framework she claims to know the world operates under. Which is too bad; I'd like to see someone on TV with a conspiracy show that doesn't cater to homophobia, that doesn't view a woman's right to choose as "killing babies", that doesn't stoke racial fires. I wonder how long someone like that would last.

Exactly. I mean I get her point, I do. In fact "conspiracy culture" online scared me in the 90's, because 96-2000 online other than the UFO Roswell stuff it was a lot of "ZOG/NWO/etc" stuff by angry white militant militia dudes.
Some of them are ok. I mean, William Cooper I think was a good guy. He often said how much he hated racists, and his wife was Native or Hispanic I think. In the IFC documentary about modern truther and conspiracy culture,
the "survivalist militia" types come off as harmless and not like the "Obama is a commie, illegals are taking over" type.

I wish there were MORE "normal moderate left leaning" conspiracy political types. Like a mixture of Jeremy Scahill, Hastings, John Pilger and say David Emory, John Judge, Bonnie Faulkner, Sibel Edmonds, etc.
The youtube show one of the RI posters does is a good example of this(whats it called, crap forget the name) oh and Colbett report. I HAAAAAAAAAATE all the gun worship, "illegals taking over", Zionist obsession,
homophobic, anti women health portion of conspiracy culture.

Then there is the people on your facebook who post every second about goddamn Monsantos, who are more liberal and are truthers...tho they also tacitly entertain the hoaxer stuff as well.

Re: Nazis tho.
White Nationalist culture is strange, just because how contradictory it is. Many believe 9/11 was by Muslim Arabs, further evidence of why they are to be hated. Some believe Israel was to blame and
strongly support Palestine(the David Duke types) There's some common ground between white nationalists/holocaust deniers and Islamists, with the common hatred of Israel and a belief in the Protocols.
It doesn't surprise me to learn that so many witnesses place Timothy Mcveigh with Mujahid Manepta/Melvin Lattimore, a black former convict turned Muslim who is connected to both the WTC 1993 bombers and
the 9/11 hijackers. Im not going to say all this neo Nazi activity is controlled, as theres a lot of scary lone wolf type groups. But I do believe at some nebulous level, there is a connection between
Nazis and Islamists that the powers that be either create or tap into.

Case in point:

The Muslim Brotherhood, Nazis and Al-Qaeda
http://www.canadafreepress.com/2006/loftus101106.htm

[8bitagent]

Ugh, I hate how all my posts have the sentences broken up. How do I fix that?

[barracuda]

Ugh, I hate how all my posts have the sentences broken up. How do I fix that?

I sorta thought you were writing free verse poetry by inserting the returns that way. Please don't change it.

What's With Homophobia In Conspiracy Culture?

Conspiracy culture is gay, but not in the good way.

[8bitagent]

Ugh, I hate how all my posts have the sentences broken up. How do I fix that?

I sorta thought you were writing free verse poetry by inserting the returns that way. Please don't change it.

What's With Homophobia In Conspiracy Culture?

Conspiracy culture is gay, but not in the good way.

Nooooo...I type normal paragraphs but for some reason every time the HTML is all wonky. I'm also trying to learn to be more terse:)

Yeah it's hard for me to even feel the muster to defend "CT" to people. When the "Hoaxer" angle to every tragedy came out, I was already feeling long detatched.
I still have my old radio streams of spitfire, 4aCloserLook, and *some* C2C. I got into "conspiracy" online culture more from the post 2000 WTO/IMF protest
crowd than the "Masons NWO End the Fed" crowd. The conspiracy crowd has just gotten so insular, nasty and truly batshit insane that it makes one's head spin.

[Hammer of Los]

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In or around 1994 I made a big mistake and typed "UFO" into a search engine.

The Natural Law Party had some great "conspiracy" materials on their web site(s) back in the day.

Rense was huge in the late nineties too, but I always got a bad vibe from there, too much sexism, homophobia, racism and so on.

Unity!

Not division!

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[Spiro C. Thiery]

Now this is what is really odd. "al Qaeda conspiracies". Ok Maddow, HOW THE FUCK could a would be jihadist believe BOTH in 9/11 being a government black op AND supporting jihadism/al Qaeda which CLAIMS RESPONSIBILITY for 9/11?

In the mind of a jihadist, you can sum up that contradiction in one word: Israel. In the mind of Rachel Maddow, I don't know how you resolve that logical fallacy. Like I said before, I don't know if Maddow really buys all that "crazy" fluster in the first piece just to set it up for the second piece that has no logical resolution within the framework she claims to know the world operates under. Which is too bad; I'd like to see someone on TV with a conspiracy show that doesn't cater to homophobia, that doesn't view a woman's right to choose as "killing babies", that doesn't stoke racial fires. I wonder how long someone like that would last.

I really liked that the host used the first piece to segue into the second one - that is, before I got about halfway into the second one. I mean, when she said before the break that the Feds play into the hands of the white supremacists and radical Islamists, I thought, good, at least she's acknowledging that. But in the second piece she kept repeating that she was "mystified" as to why they wouldn't be more transparent regarding clearing up their having killed the guy they were questioning.

There you have it. Rachel Maddow is mystified at law enforcement's less than forthcoming nature. Because, you know, that just doesn't make sense.

Overall, the effect Maddow has is to re-emphasize that some modes of belief are absurd. But she doesn't differentiate. She just makes some topics off limits in polite, intelligent discussion. A net negative, in my opinion.

[Searcher08]

Yeah it's hard for me to even feel the muster to defend "CT" to people. When the "Hoaxer" angle to every tragedy came out, I was already feeling long detatched.
I still have my old radio streams of spitfire, 4aCloserLook, and *some* C2C. I got into "conspiracy" online culture more from the post 2000 WTO/IMF protest
crowd than the "Masons NWO End the Fed" crowd. The conspiracy crowd has just gotten so insular, nasty and truly batshit insane that it makes one's head spin.

I feel very similar - your comment about 4acloserlook - Michael Corbin what a loss that was; I wonder though if part of the nastyness you see is a more general cultural vibe in the air at the moment rather than purely paraculture related - for example innumerable Youtube comment sections about the most innocuous subject videos
Vid "Here's my cat Tiddles playing" will degenerate into skeptic atheist vs fundie Xtian bunfights
'Cats prove God doesnt exist'
'You are evil and will burn in Hell'
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Rinse Wash Repeat

Like with the recent Lee Rigby case, people just saying "FAKE! HOAX!" and inserting a reason as justification for that like "There was an old woman shopping who walked past the 'killer' on the video. If I was there I would have run for the hills, so it's a HOAX".
This to me is just another side of the 'debunking' mentality, where any idea or concept is used as machine gun target practice in the name of 'Truth'(tm) and the behaviour is excused on the grounds that it is being 'rigorous' or doing critical thinking'. Looking at the comments section of prisonplanet for one side or look at huffington post for another..

Two sides of the same coin.

It was years since I last watched a 9/11 related video - by chance saw one called "9/11 finally solved, names named etc " On the one hand, I thought - "Wow, much more information discovered especially about the deep state aspects - YAY!" then I realised that even if Indira Singh herself came out of hiding with an annotated documented video guide to who did what when - what would happen? what *could* happen?

At the risk of sounding a bit philosophical - but WHY do we enage in this?
Why are people like you and me spending time doing this?
Is it a... hobby?
Is it to find a clearer picture of the world? For what purpose?
Is it to be just a researcher, an information collector and navigator? If so, WHY? So What?
What results has it produced in your life - in your self-expression? in your abundance? in your connections with people and the Earth? in your happiness? in all other areas of your life?

It's a pretty awkward, difficult series of questions to think about (at least I have found them that way for myself) The amount of outcomes-related thinking done in paraculture seems very very small... hmm..perhaps that is one of the reasons Donald Rumsfeld appears before Jon Stewart rather than the International Criminal Court.

Maybe you could do a Youtube documentary on R.I. Get Kickstarter funding Call it
"Why We Click"

[Hammer of Los]

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I'm just here tryin' ta enlighten you lot, actually.

It ain't easy, as you can see.

But we are moving inexorably from the darkness of ignorance into the light of knowledge.

It wasn't long after 911 that I realised the true perps would never be tried or prosecuted or even publicly accepted as the perps in their lifetimes.

The cost to society is deemed too great by those who think they have their hands on the levers of power.

But the folk who think they have their hands on the levers of power aren't really the one(s) who have their hands on the true levers of power.

They are subject to the higher laws, whether they believe it or not.

The day of the Controllers though, has already ended.

They just don't know it yet.

They bloody big ignorant fools.

You see.

They think they got us surrounded.

But really.

It's da udder way around!

Ha ha ha!

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[semper occultus]

I still have my old radio streams of spitfire, 4aCloserLook, and *some* C2C. I got into "conspiracy" online culture more from the post 2000 WTO/IMF protest
crowd than the "Masons NWO End the Fed" crowd. The conspiracy crowd has just gotten so insular, nasty and truly batshit insane that it makes one's head spin.

...Dave Emory's pretty nasty.....and did you ever heaer Corbin's interview with William Blum...