How to Understand And Confront Holocaust Denial

[jakell]

There is only one genocide that has really been termed 'The Holocaust' . This is historical, documented and unambiguous, therefore it is quite clear 'which holocaust' is being discussed. (the word 'the' is a bit of a giveaway)

Well, who dare argue with that ? Theres only ever been one holocaust, and somewhere down the road, It built itself its own industry if I remember correctly. At least according to one scholar.

Not really, there have been myriads of events that could be given this rather vague term (sky's the limit really)

There is only one genocide that has been repeatedly given this label, and this is well known. You may not like this and think it an injustice, but that's what has happened.

[seemslikeadream]

but that's what has happened

and that was just by chance?

[jakell]

one holocaust ...one denial ...that's the intention of the OP


and that is AD's denial of any other holocaust

we all have our own holocausts but we don't spam RI with them

Don't see a problem with focusing on one particular event, surely that is an aid to discussion.

As far as I can see, only one genocide has overwhelmingly been given the term 'The Holocaust', and that seems to be the threads intended topic.

[American Dream]

The bigger picture here, as AD points out, is man's inhumanity to man, not only man's inhumanity to Jews.

Reading some or all of the 164 pages of the Economic Aspects of "Love" thread will make clear the depth and breadth of what anti-Racism, anti-Bigotry and all the rest actually mean in our world: and that is very, very relevant to the history and current reality of conspiracy tropes originating from the haters, wackos and professional liars of the Far Right.

My ongoing message: Don't drink the Kool Aid, don't swallow the poison pill...

[seemslikeadream]

one holocaust ...one denial ...that's the intention of the OP


and that is AD's denial of any other holocaust

we all have our own holocausts but we don't spam RI with them

Don't see a problem with focusing on one particular event, surely that is an aid to discussion.

As far as I can see, only one genocide has overwhelmingly been given the term 'The Holocaust', and that seems to be the threads intended topic.

focusing is fine ....spamming is quite another...over 6 frickin years of it

and maybe some of us resent the fact we don't get use of the word

our holocausts don't get the face time around here

[jakell]

but that's what has happened

and that was just by chance?

Chance or not, this label got applied and stuck. Why not just go with that?

We could try and examine why absolutely everything got it's name, what is certain though is that so much clogging would occur is that nothing would ever get discussed properly.

Can we agree which event is referred to by the term 'The Holocaust', especially as the vast majority of people already do?

[seemslikeadream]

but that's what has happened

and that was just by chance?

Chance or not, this label got applied and stuck. Why not just go with that?

We could try and examine why absolutely everything got it's name, what is certain though is that so much clogging would occur is that nothing would ever get discussed properly.

Can we agree which event is referred to by the term 'The Holocaust', especially as the vast majority of people already do?

That's the problem...which AD is so please to continue the LIE ....there was more than one holocaust...and it's victims should have every right to the word as well


do you think the 6 MILLION Indians feel Churchill just by mere oversight forgot to mention them?

how do you think the millions of Native Americans feel?

[dada]

Settler Colonialism, Authority, Institutional Racism, Fascism, Neo-Liberalism, Hegemony, Imperialism, Neo-Colonialism, Patriarchy etc. etc. should be part of our daily language and we should know what these words actually mean.

We had a very long discussion about the definition of fascism here one time. I seem to remember that we came to the conclusion that fascism is everywhere, and doesn't exist.

Good old Rigorous Intuition, really cleared that one up.

[82_28]

Hey guys. Let's pipe down and probably lock this thread. This is getting nobody anywhere.

Personally I have zero problem with anyone. Let's get along and also just take it for what this format is. We're still a "team", small team, but still all here.

[jakell]

one holocaust ...one denial ...that's the intention of the OP


and that is AD's denial of any other holocaust

we all have our own holocausts but we don't spam RI with them

Don't see a problem with focusing on one particular event, surely that is an aid to discussion.

As far as I can see, only one genocide has overwhelmingly been given the term 'The Holocaust', and that seems to be the threads intended topic.

focusing is fine ....spamming is quite another...over 6 frickin years of it

and maybe some of us resent the fact we don't get use of the word

our holocausts don't get the face time around here

This is what happens with phrases, they get bagged, all that's left is to add to them and not use the singular form.

If you have other specific genocides in mind, maybe you could find an equally egregious term or phrase to designate them individually (even a non-English one maybe). This is actually a good course because to lump them all together under one term does have the effect of diminishing them.

Did you know that to raise the topic of other genocides (in order to diminish) is one popular device of those who wish to deny the occurrence of what is generally referred to as 'The Holocaust'?
This might be mentioned in the original article, I haven't read that thoroughly yet.

[jakell]

Before this thread gets locked, is there any chance of people agreeing on what is generally understood by the term 'The Holocaust'? (ie which event)

Are polls possible on this board?

[82_28]

Yes, I consider "The Holocaust" to be the one that the Notsees (sto45nhdront rule applied here) inflicted upon Jewish people in WWII.

Other than that, I call it mass slaughter of innocent souls for purposes in the end, only for profit for those who have deemed themselves above us. I consider all entities to be equal as to not ever have to face "atrocities" in the sense of ever having to live in fear. Yes, I am left wing and also don't believe the lie of "terrorists".

The Empire Never Ended.

[jakell]

I've read the original article, and my only real beef about it is that it regards holocaust denial to be an antisemitic phenomenon, which does detract from any wider implications.

It seems to me that the denial here has gone significantly further than the 'dismissal' of other genocides, to the extent that it has created it's own momentum, it's also a significant component of white nationalism, which I view as a civil religion/cult.

My own focus here is probably because, being in the UK, the events of WWII form a large part of our awareness of modern history (as with the rest of Europe), it is probably different for North Americans.

[dada]

Before this thread gets locked, is there any chance of people agreeing on what is generally understood by the term 'The Holocaust'? (ie which event)

Good luck with that. If everyone here agreed on anything at all, I would be shocked. Easier herding a super-intelligent race of inter-dimensional kitty-cats that don't have a taste for tuna.

Of course, I wouldn't have it any other way:)

[jakell]

Before this thread gets locked, is there any chance of people agreeing on what is generally understood by the term 'The Holocaust'? (ie which event)

Good luck with that. If everyone here agreed on anything at all, I would be shocked. Easier herding a super-intelligent race of inter-dimensional kitty-cats that don't have a taste for tuna.

Of course, I wouldn't have it any other way:)

Shouldn't be too hard as long as we're deciding on an objective look at what is generally believed, and separating this from personal considerations ie what we think should be believed.
The harder thing is sticking to that agreement in future instances.

The real trouble is that it rubs both ways (this could also be a motivation for nailing this). As well as interfering with discussion of what is generally referred to as 'The Holocaust', discussion of all those other genocides is prevented too. Big Brother would appreciate this neat efficiency and possibly look for similar ways to play folks off against each other.