Greenwald drops the bomb on government trolling of internet

[FourthBase]

If any of this is now coming out, it's only because They want you to know it. Have you learned anything from it you didn't already suspect? Let me tell you, your reasonable suspicion about Internet Trolling campaigns was way better than the details. Who knows what poison pills have been snuck in there? The end result will be whatever serves the interests of Them. By exposing such secrets, Greenwald is only proving that he is Them. What has changed? Does any of this support WTC demolitions theory, or expose Zionist control? This is exactly what Greenwald is now covering up. Have the powers-that-be of the 2000-year conspiracy to extinguish the Great Human Soul that would have otherwise spread its wings into Free Energy been damaged by this? If you read and believe anything from Greenwald, you might as well be killing babies by drone, just like Obama. Greenwald is Obama, and therefore you are Obama, which makes you also into a 1:1 scale-model equivalent of Bush and Hitler, down to the hair.

It's been established scientifically by the greatest minds at RI, including the writer of this OP, that Greenwald is the real problem and actually works with Them. Please don't let apparent disclosures about NSA or GCHQ distract you from the real issues. Sibel Edmonds destroyed Snowden and Greenwald, exposing them for making billions of dollars off their Marxist-Leninist activities on behalf of the secret societies located everywhere as long as it's not Washington or Wall Street. Every time you talk about NSA and GCHQ, you fall into their trap. Greenwald and Snowden rock and roll all night at the gay clubs of Rio and the KGB haunts of Moscow, and they party every day, doing all to destroy the institution of the family and take away your guns, exactly as Rockefeller intended, and you people are cheerleading for them.

I know this indisputable truth hurts, but you've got to get past your blind liberal hero worship and desire to genitally frottage these obvious sleeper agents or you are a fool. I have a strong feeling about all this. My Spidey Sense is activated. This forum should be based solely on our hunches because that's what "intuition" means and only brainwashed materialists would suggest otherwise, thus raping the magic out of the world. Anyone who tries to limit my hunches with claims of reason or evidence is the real Nazi, and wants to murder Christians. If you disagree with anything I post here, it is exactly the same as government censorship. You are bullying me. You are the bully who beat me up physically when I was a kid. This is a 1:1 moral correspondence. Luckily I grew up and got tough. I won't let you destroy this forum with your thoughts. You keep using vocabulary, indicating that you are an egotist. Sometimes you write words that sound mean to me or that I can misinterpret for years as calls to murder me or to kill kittens, because I can do that. Anything you say can and will be used against you as evidence of your kitten-killing ways. I will do this until I have defeated you as I did the bullies of my childhood.

Yep. Pretty much.

Hey, brekin, who did you suspect of going insane?

[brekin]

Fourthbase wrote:

Hey, brekin, who did you suspect of going insane?

It was more I thought their fuzzy logic defied all reason except a personally convenient one and used a figure of speech that implied insanity. I don't even want to use the person's moniker, in fear like Beetlejuice, it may summon them back. Let's just say they were a watcher of things Canadian.

[JackRiddler]

(Is this a danger with you, Mad Brekin? Did that just raise the danger you will be pushed over the edge? Perhaps it would be best to risk saying nothing, since any and all idiom can be read for the triggers. Interesting how some of the most anti-PC people here have discovered its awful power in my case.) A good start in reining in the monster you apparently think I've become might be at least in accurate reflection, not misrepresentation, of what I say. True, sometimes I might be unclear and thus subject to misunderstanding, but if I clarify, I appreciate acknowledgement of same. Above, Sounder has declared me into a hater of man, on the basis of a clear misreading of what I wrote. How about a correction, for the goodwill and all?

[brekin]

(Is this a danger with you, Mad Brekin? Did that just raise the danger you will be pushed over the edge? Perhaps it would be best to risk saying nothing, since any and all idiom can be read for the triggers. Interesting how some of the most anti-PC people here have discovered its awful power in my case.) A good start in reining in the monster you apparently think I've become might be at least in accurate reflection, not misrepresentation, of what I say. True, sometimes I might be unclear and thus subject to misunderstanding, but if I clarify, I appreciate acknowledgement of same. Above, Sounder has declared me into a hater of man, on the basis of a clear misreading of what I wrote. How about a correction, for the goodwill and all?

As I understand it, you told a poster to go themselves. Is that correct? If so, I think that is hugely irresponsible on a board that is frequented by many who have self confessed to struggling with depression and other mood/behavior issues. Not to mention boards like this tend to attract, how should we say it, those who may already have a dark worldview. It is also incredibly vile behavior overall and has nothing to do with being PC or not. I could understand being glib and in the heat of the moment posting something like "oh go jump off a bridge" but to right out and say it, well that is beyond the pale. You spent a lot of your ethos with such a comment, by further not apologizing it basically evaporated in my eyes. Why you weren't banned even temporarily is beyond me. Now calling someone "Crazy man" when it seems like they just arguing their case, and it is just a disagreement of degrees as far as I can tell, is just more demeaning troll behavior. You've definitely veered lately into going after the person at the expense of the topic. Trolls come in all shapes and sizes. (David Bowie's Goblin King in Labyrinth for example). But regardless of the finery, intellectualizing and articulation one shrouds personal disparagement and demeaning behaviour, in the end it has the same effect as just your under the bridge variety troll.

[FourthBase]

(Is this a danger with you, Mad Brekin? Did that just raise the danger you will be pushed over the edge? Perhaps it would be best to risk saying nothing, since any and all idiom can be read for the triggers. Interesting how some of the most anti-PC people here have discovered its awful power in my case.) A good start in reining in the monster you apparently think I've become might be at least in accurate reflection, not misrepresentation, of what I say. True, sometimes I might be unclear and thus subject to misunderstanding, but if I clarify, I appreciate acknowledgement of same. Above, Sounder has declared me into a hater of man, on the basis of a clear misreading of what I wrote. How about a correction, for the goodwill and all?

As I understand it, you told a poster to go themselves. Is that correct? If so, I think that is hugely irresponsible on a board that is frequented by many who have self confessed to struggling with depression and other mood/behavior issues. Not to mention boards like this tend to attract, how should we say it, those who may already have a dark worldview. It is also incredibly vile behavior overall and has nothing to do with being PC or not. I could understand being glib and in the heat of the moment posting something like "oh go jump off a bridge" but to right out and say it, well that is beyond the pale. You spent a lot of your ethos with such a comment, by further not apologizing it basically evaporated in my eyes. Why you weren't banned even temporarily is beyond me. Now calling someone "Crazy man" when it seems like they just arguing their case, and it is just a disagreement of degrees as far as I can tell, is just more demeaning troll behavior. You've definitely veered lately into going after the person at the expense of the topic. Trolls come in all shapes and sizes. (David Bowie's Goblin King in Labyrinth for example). But regardless of the finery, intellectualizing and articulation one shrouds personal disparagement and demeaning behaviour, in the end it has the same effect as just your under the bridge variety troll.

Yep. This, too, Jack.

[Nordic]

Jack, can you possibly write anything on this board these days that is NOT about yourself, and your mangina being injured?

Please.

I mean, you've returned to this board being an even bigger dick and a pouty little petulant fuck than you've ever been before.

Man up. This is the internet. It's not for pussies.

[Cosmic Cowbell]

mangina?


Man up. It's not for pussies.

heh..heh heh heh. You go Norwood. heh...

Trolls...

[JackRiddler]

Jack, can you possibly write anything on this board these days that is NOT about yourself, and your mangina being injured?

Please.

I mean, you've returned to this board being an even bigger dick and a pouty little petulant fuck than you've ever been before.

Man up. This is the internet. It's not for pussies.

See any contradictions here, Mr. Manly Man Asshole? First you and your little crew of small peckers affect to be appalled at "kindly die" and "kill yourself" (or, hilariously, "are you crazy") as if these are the worst, most inconceivable defilements that one could speak on the Internet, and are tantamount to criminal exhortations to literal suicide!

But then you want others to "man up" and not be "pussies." Apparently this term, which uses "woman" as a synonym for cowards and wimps, is not offensive. (Let me tell you, it ain't me who's stunk up the place with male rage and chased out most of the women. You dumb fuck.)

But suggesting that the poor little dispensary of Nazi propaganda, slimmouse, who should have been banned here ages ago, should fuck off and die is worse than murder! Oh, tremors! Terrors! Whining!

You have nothing to say to me sir, unless it's an apology for the villainization. Fuck off.

You just trolled Greenwald for two months and now you're going to post this thread approvingly under the title of "Greenwald bombs..."? You are the third-rate echo of the NSA's campaign against Greenwald, and don't even know it. Bozo. It is to laugh. And now your expectation is that no one should be so impolite as to remember the trolling campaign you were running up to a week ago?! When you are ready to admit what incredibly wrong things you have said and done on this board, then speak again. You have no business speaking to me at all, or saying anything about Glenn Greenwald and Edward Snowden, until you're ready to "man up" and admit your mistakes. Apologize. You can tell me to fuck off and call me names, I don't give a shit. (I'll wear the moniker of "pussy" proudly, of course.) Murdering logic and being blind to when you've been amply refuted are far worse sins against this board. Dumbfuck.

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[Cosmic Cowbell]

[brekin]

JackRiddler wrote:

See any contradictions here, Mr. Manly Man Asshole? First you and your little crew of small peckers affect to be appalled at "kindly die" and "kill yourself" (or, hilariously, "are you crazy") as if these are the worst, most inconceivable defilements that one could speak on the Internet, and are tantamount to criminal exhortations to literal suicide!
But then you want others to "man up" and not be "pussies." Apparently this term, which uses "woman" as a synonym for cowards and wimps, is not offensive. (Let me tell you, it ain't me who's stunk up the place with male rage and chased out most of the women. You dumb fuck.)

As part of the merry crew of small peckers I see the contradiction. Nordic went too far. He got carried away and yes his language became too salty and may even be, probably is, offensive genderwise. I agree with about 90% of his content, though, if not his long haul trucker-sailor style of delivery. For example, I don't believe you have a mangina and it is injured. But have you wondered why so many threads are becoming about you? If you can't see "kill yourself" as master level trolling and are now regularly punctuating sentences with "crazy man" and "dumb fuck" I don't know how you can turn around and lecture others in gender inclusion.

I for one would like you to "man down" a little and not be so strident and brutal in your estimation of other people's ideas and by association their intelligence and characters. Christ, Jack why don't you ease back a bit? Have you never been mellow?

[divideandconquer]

I always read Jack in the voice of Bea Arthur and Nordic in the voice of Naomi Watts, probably because of the picture.

Of course, I don't know if they're male or female...just sayin'.

[JackRiddler]

But have you wondered why so many threads are becoming about you?

Nope. I'm pretty clear why. Someone on Nordic's level is going to find it easier to attack me personally (even if these attacks are wild stabs in the dark that bear no relation to reality) rather than admit he's wrong, especially if I'm the one saying that he's wrong. One part that is my fault is that I have no mercy about leaving any room for face-saving, which a guy like Nordic really needs. Also, I have this ugly way of how I identify steaming piles of bullshit. I just go and call them that, exposing myself to similar counter-rhetoric, even if it doesn't fit.

People in general have this bad thing about language, which the Internet magnifies. It doesn't matter if the argument is about oxygen vs. phlogiston, or flat earth vs. spherical; once someone says fuck or some such ("drops the f-bomb" in the hokey and parlous American parlance), or kindly points out that an interlocutor is a moron, it's supposed to make both sides equally wrong and causes the dainty to avert their eyes and wash their hands of the whole thing (until they get into some other flamewar and use the same kind of rhetoric). After all, we're all equally entitled to whatever bullshit opinion we want to repeat ad infinitum and it's our human right never to be contradicted on the Internet (said contradiction being censorship, violence, bullying just like the bigger kids who beat up on Nordic when he was young, probably close to genocide, etc., etc.)

Anyway, it's very easy to make low-information types angry by being too rough in exposing their fallacies. c2w? used to do it in a much nicer way, but in the end got sick of it and was harrassed into silence anyway. Also, projection is just too easy to do, so whatever one says, everyone knows how to reflect it back, whether or not the equivalence is true. And yeah, I'm a mean bastard who releases a lot of real world anger by beating up on easy targets on the Internet, which actually helps me to stay a nice guy in real life. It's not like I'm the only fucker using this place for therapy or catharsis. There are a few other obvious cases around here, but right now I'm the one being hammered for it because I'm supposed to hold to a higher standard because of the quality of my prior work (involving actual research and standards, etc., largely wasted on some of the regular posters but I happen to know appreciated by several who matter to me. I'm probably losing some of my 14 RI regular readers. Hate to think that. Anyway, better stop fixing up this post or I'll get some other accusation that - gasp! - I used the edit function!).

[Luther Blissett]

The actions of the reddit editors are definitely a confession of something:

1) Yes, I am part of the government-surveillance-industrial complex Internet control campaign.

2) Yes, the very idea that such campaigns exist remains so heretical to me (gasp! "conspiracy theory"), and the concession that I was wrong about this to people I hate is so odious to me, and my head is so incredibly far up my ass in denial that I will censor the news even when it consists of proof of the thesis by documentation taken from the perpetrators.

I consider possibility #2 to be the likelier one. There's nothing people hate more than being proven wrong in a way they can no longer deny, except by completely ignoring that this is what just happened.

Given the culture at reddit, especially in both of those news and worldnews subreddits, I think the problem arises from a healthy dose of both numbers 1 and 2. They come from a background, life experience, and worldview of #2, and so are very easily co-opted by authoritarians who would help organize number 1.

The community is too complex and the coordination would be too difficult for it to be the work of emotional and embarrassed individuals acting alone.

There's definitely an historical precedent for organized, institutional censorship of pro-humanity ideas at the bigger reddit communities. I think it's becoming an ingrained part of reddit.

[brekin]

Jack, it seems like you approaching all of this as a zero-sum battle to beat down a created opposition. I don't know why you have to go to the barricades and cut no quarter when you are basically talking to (believe it or not) your peers. Lately, there has been a lot of stand your ground posters squaring off, but it seems like you've gone mad dog and then bull dog. Also, I don't think it is wise to be so elitist in your analysis of others viewpoints. We all have blindspots, some of them more logical others more emotional, and not everyone has been cruising the web before it had pictures in regards to deep state craft. A lot of people have different backgrounds and levels of engagement that I think make RI more balanced than other like forums. And you know that sometimes the obvious theory without elaborate referencing and windowdressing turns out to be the correct one in the end anyways, whereas the superstring theory of conspiracy ends up a huge footnoted pile of silly string.
Also, in regards:
JackRiddler wrote:

It's not like I'm the only fucker using this place for therapy or catharsis.

I think you should reevaluate what you consider therapy and catharsis here. Getting your rage on and sparring is just tension discharging without any conscious raising for most everyone involved. I think we should come here to be our best. It certainly easier than in real life to keep it together long enough to craft and reply to posts I would think. I think there are two types of people in the world; repentant assholes and assholes in denial. From someone who has been an asshole on occasion here I think you should weigh how you are posting is becoming more important than what you are posting. I mean I can barely parse your take and others on Greenwald at this point.

[conniption]

How the Government Manipulates Your Thoughts Online | Big Brother Watch

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breakingtheset·

Published on Feb 26, 2014

Abby Martin talks about journalist Glenn Greenwald's report regarding the intelligence community's use of subversive and manipulative online tactics to destroy the reputations of businesses and individuals.