David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

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Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 22, 2015 9:53 am

JFK ASSASSINATION PLOT MIRRORED IN 1961 FRANCE: PART 3
Assassination Attempts, Killings on the Streets of Paris, Purges

As you watch, perhaps with alarm, while thousands of refugees from Muslim countries make their way through Europe in a seemingly endless parade, you may be wondering if some of them will end up living near you, and how this might affect your life.

If you step back and look at the bigger picture, you will see the situation in reverse: how much the dominating presence of those from the western world has affected the daily lives of people living in Muslim countries.

What the colonial powers have done in Muslim countries is well known. Less well known are the machinations of Allen Dulles and the CIA in one of these colonial powers, France.

Without the knowledge or consent of President John F. Kennedy, Allen Dulles orchestrated the efforts of retired French generals, rightwing French, Nazi sympathizers, and at least one White Russian, to overthrow Charles de Gaulle, who wanted to give Algeria its independence. Dulles et al feared an independent Algeria would go Communist, giving the Soviets a base in Africa.

And there was another reason to hang onto Algeria: its natural resources. According to the US Energy Information Administration, it is “the leading natural gas producer in Africa, the second-largest natural gas supplier to Europe outside of the region, and is among the top three oil producers in Africa.”

We note with great interest that the plot to bring down Charles De Gaulle — the kind of people involved, the role of Allen Dulles, the motive behind it — all bear an eerie similarity to the circumstances surrounding the assassination of John F. Kennedy. But that is another story.

As we have said earlier, Dulles’s job, simply put, was to hijack the US government to benefit the wealthy. And in this fascinating series of excerpts from David Talbot’s new biography on Dulles, we see how his reach extended deeply into the government of France.

WhoWhatWhy Introduction by Milicent Cranor

This is the third of a three-part series of excerpts from Chapter 15 (“Contempt”) of The Devil’s Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the, Rise of the American Secret Government. HarperCollins Publishers, 2015. Go here and here to see Parts 1 and 2. Previously, we presented excerpts from Chapter 20, and to see them, go here, here, and here.

PURGES AND MORE PURGES
After the failed coup, de Gaulle launched a new purge of his security forces. He ousted General Paul Grossin, the powerful chief of SDECE, the French secret service, and he shut down its armed unit, the 11th Choc (Shock Battalion), which he suspected of being a breeding ground for the coup. Grossin, who was closely aligned with the CIA, had told Frank Wisner over lunch that the return of de Gaulle to power was equivalent to the Communists taking over in Paris.

The 11th Choc had grown into a dangerously unhinged killing unit, targeting representatives of the Algerian independence movement and their European supporters, even on the streets of France.

Those branded enemies of the French empire were gunned down, blown up, or poisoned by SDECE’s action arm. Aided by ex-Nazi agents of Reinhard Gehlen’s organization, the 11th Choc’s assassination campaign reached the point where “liquidations [were] an almost daily routine,” according to Philippe Thyraud de Vosjoli, a veteran SDECE agent who served as the liaison to the CIA.

Shortly after pushing out Grossin, de Gaulle also jettisoned his security adviser, Constantin Melnik, Dulles’s close ally. Late into his life, Melnik continued to insist that the CIA was always a friend to de Gaulle — which would have come as a surprise to the French president.

Writing in his 1999 memoir, Politically Incorrect, Melnik flatly declared, “I can testify that … despite suspicious yelping by Gaullist camp followers … the CIA always was a faithful ally of General de Gaulle, even of his often torturous Algerian policies.” After de Gaulle dumped Melnik, Dulles — who by then had also been fired — immediately offered to hire him for a new private intelligence agency he was planning in the Third World. But Melnik declined, instead pursuing a career in French publishing and politics.

Continuity in Washington was no longer the new president’s concern. Shaken by the traumatic events in Cuba and France, JFK was ready to remake his government.
For the rest of his ten-year presidency, which ended with his retirement from politics in 1969, de Gaulle continued to take strong counter-measures against forces he regarded as seditious threats. In 1962, he expelled CIA station chief Alfred Ulmer, a gung ho veteran of Dulles’s Cold War battlegrounds. In 1967, de Gaulle evicted NATO from France to regain “full sovereignty [over] French territory” after discovering that the military alliance was encouraging Western European secret services to interfere in France’s domestic politics.

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Parade of the 13th DBLE Legionnaires through Roman ruins in Lambaesis, Algeria. Photo credit: Richard Bareford / Wikimedia

THE DAY OF THE JACKAL
Following the Algiers putsch, de Gaulle remained an assassination target — particularly during the explosive months before and after he finally recognized Algerian independence in July 1962. The most dramatic attempt on his life was staged the next month by the OAS — an ambush made famous in the Frederick Forsyth novel and movie The Day of the Jackal.

As de Gaulle’s black Citroën sped along the Avenue de la Libération in Paris, with the president and his wife in the rear seat, a dozen OAS snipers opened fire on the vehicle. Two of the president’s motorcycle bodyguards were killed — and the bullet-riddled Citroën skidded sharply. But de Gaulle was fortunate to have a skilled and loyal security team, and his chauffeur was able to pull the car out of its spin and speed to safety, despite all four tires’ being shot out. The president and his wife, who kept their heads down throughout the fusillade, escaped unharmed.

DE GAULLE’S OWN SECRET ASSASSINS
The French president demonstrated that he was willing to fight fire with fire. According to de Vosjoli, de Gaulle loyalists in SDECE even recruited their own secret assassins — including a particularly violent group of Vietnamese exiles — who blew up cafés in Algeria frequented by enemies of de Gaulle and kidnapped, tortured, and murdered other OAS combatants deemed a threat to the president. Democracy in France in the early 1960s was sustained as the result of a vicious underground war that the old French general was willing to fight with equal ferocity.

Because of the severe security measures he took, Charles de Gaulle survived his tumultuous presidency. He died of a heart attack the year after he left office, just short of his eightieth birthday, slumping over quietly in his armchair after watching the evening news.

A SUBJECT TO AVOID
President Kennedy met with de Gaulle on his state visit to Paris at the end of May 1961, a month after the failed coup. The president and First Lady were feted at a banquet in Élysée Palace, where the old general — dazzled by Jackie — leaned down closely to hear every breathy word she spoke to him, in fluent French.

During the three-day visit, the two heads of state discussed many pressing issues, from Laos to Berlin to Cuba. But Kennedy and de Gaulle never broached the touchy subject of the coup, much less the CIA’s involvement in it. As French journalist Vincent Jauvert later observed, “Why wake up old demons who had barely fallen asleep?”

KENNEDY’S GENTLE PURGES
Kennedy knew that he would have to resume wrestling with those demons as soon as he returned home. He would have to decide how deeply to purge his own security agencies, as de Gaulle had already begun to do in France. Kennedy knew there would be steep political costs involved in taking on the CIA and Pentagon. But, as Walter Lippmann had told Schlesinger, “Kennedy will not begin to be President until he starts to break with Eisenhower.”

Continuity in Washington was no longer the new president’s concern. Shaken by the traumatic events in Cuba and France, JFK was ready to remake his government.

A few weeks after the Bay of Pigs and the foiled French coup, JFK asked Jackie to invite Dulles for drinks or tea at the White House. Charlie Wrightsman and his wife were also dropping by, and Kennedy wanted to make a point. The Florida tycoon had self-righteously told Kennedy that he was not going to be seeing his old friend Dulles during his trip to Washington — his way of snubbing the spymaster for bungling the job in Cuba.

The president was “disgusted” by Wrightsman’s disloyalty to Dulles, according to Jackie, so he went out of his way to include the disgraced CIA leader in the White House’s get-together. By now, enough time had elapsed since the disasters of April, and with Dulles on his way out, Kennedy was feeling magnanimous toward the Old Man.

“[Jack] was so loyal always to people in, you know, trouble,” the First Lady later recalled. “And he made a special effort to come back from [the Oval Office] and sit around with Jayne and Charlie Wrightsman, just to show Charlie what he thought of Allen Dulles. And, I mean, it made all the difference to Allen Dulles. I was with him about five [or ten] minutes before Jack got there. He just looked like, I don’t know, Cardinal Mindszenty on trial,” she said, referring to the Hungarian prelate who was sentenced to life in prison after being found guilty of treason by a Soviet-run show trial.

By mid-January 1962, the “retired” spymaster was writing an old comrade, “As you know, I am not much of a believer in either retirement or long vacations.” The house on Q Street was already on its way to becoming the seat of a government in exile. Dulles had been deposed, but his reign continued.
“You know, just a shell of what he was. And Jack came and talked — put his arm around him … Well, wasn’t that nice? It was just to show Charlie Wrightsman. But it shows something about Jack. I mean, he knew [that] Dulles had obviously botched everything up. [But], you know, he had a tenderness for the man.”

SLOW BURNING FURY
But “poor Allen Dulles,” as Jackie took to referring to him, was likely untouched by the president’s gesture. The CIA director’s resentment of Kennedy was growing by the day, as his fingers slowly lost their grip on power. Feeling the young man’s arm wrapped paternally around his shoulder would have chilled Dulles, not warmed him. The spymaster had served every president since Woodrow Wilson. And now, here he was, being comforted by this weak pretty boy who did not belong in the same company as the great men who preceded him. It was appalling that he, Allen Dulles, should be consoled by such a man.

Though Dulles himself kept his fury carefully concealed, his most loyal aides and political allies freely vented their feelings against the Kennedy White House on the Old Man’s behalf. Howard Hunt, who worked as the CIA’s political liaison with the volatile Cuban exile community on the Bay of Pigs, called Dulles and Bissell “scapegoats to expiate administration guilt.”

Hunt, whose anti-Communist passions equaled those of his militant Cuban compadres, was deeply moved by the way his boss comported himself during his slow fadeout at the CIA. “As a member of Dulles’s staff,” Hunt remembered, “I lunched in the Director’s mess, seeing him return from each [Taylor] Committee session more drawn and gray. But on taking his place at the head of the table, Mr. Dulles’s demeanor changed into hearty cheerfulness — a joke here, a baseball bet there, came from this remarkable man whose long career of government service had been destroyed unjustly by men who were laboring unceasingly to preserve their own public images.”

The summer following the Bay of Pigs, Prescott Bush — the CIA’s man in the Senate — and his wife, Dorothy, invited Dulles to dinner at their Washington home. The spymaster showed up with John McCone in tow — the Republican businessman and former Atomic Energy Commission chairman Kennedy had just privately tapped as Dulles’s replacement. Bush, who was still unaware that Dulles had been officially deposed, was surprised to see McCone, “whom,” he later recalled in a letter to Clover, “we had not thought of as a particular friend of Allen’s. But Allen broke the ice promptly, and said that he wanted us to meet his successor. The announcement came the next day.”

The dinner conversation around the Bush family table that night was awkward. “We tried to make a pleasant evening of it,” Bush wrote, “but I was rather sick at heart, and angry too, for it was the Kennedy’s [sic] that brot [sic] about the fiasco. And here they were making Allen seem to be the goat, which he wasn’t and did not deserve. I have never forgiven them.”

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President John F. Kennedy Presents the National Security Medal to Allen Dulles, retiring director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). Photo credit: Robert Knudsen. White House Photographs. John F. Kennedy Presidential Library and Museum, Boston

On November 28, 1961, Dulles was given his formal sendoff at the CIA, in a ceremony held at the agency’s brand new headquarters, a vast, modernist complex carved out of the woods in Langley, Virginia. It was a day of clashing emotions for Dulles.The gleaming new puzzle palace, which Dulles had commissioned, was seen by many as a monument to his long reign — but he would never occupy the director’s suite. Now some agency wits were snidely christening the Langley edifice “The Allen Dulles Memorial Mausoleum.”

President Kennedy was gracious in his farewell remarks, as he bestowed the agency’s highest honor — the National Security Medal — on Dulles. “I regard Allen Dulles as an almost unique figure in our country,” he told the crowd gathered in a sterile, fluorescent-lit theater, including a somber-faced Clover and Eleanor Dulles, and an equally stern-looking General Lemnitzer and J. Edgar Hoover, who almost certainly were wondering when they would be next to go. “I know of no man,” the president continued, “who brings a greater sense of personal commitment to his work — who has less pride in office — than he has.”

This last piece of flattery was particularly overblown, as Kennedy well knew, because there were few men in his administration brimming with as much self-admiration as Allen Dulles. The departing CIA director had made sure that invitations to his medal ceremony were sent out to a who’s who list of Fortune 500 executives, including the chiefs of General Electric, General Motors, Ford, DuPont, Coca Cola, Chase Manhattan, US Steel, Standard Oil, IBM, CBS, and Time Life. He kept copies of all the flowery farewells that poured in from the corporate world, including letters from 20th Century Fox movie mogul Spyros Skouras, and conglomerate tycoon J. Peter Grace, who wrote, “It is almost unbelievable that one family could produce two men of the caliber of yours and your late, sorely missed, brother.”

But, after the ceremony, Dulles looked a bit lost and forlorn as he waved to Kennedy’s departing helicopter from the front steps of the headquarters he would never occupy. The following day was even more melancholy for Dulles as JFK swore in McCone at the old CIA building on E Street.

Clover dropped him off at the ceremony in the family car, since Dulles was no longer entitled to a CIA limousine and driver. “Clover, I’ll be home later in a taxi,” the Old Man told his wife as he climbed out of the car. He was overheard by Lawrence “Red” White, the agency’s efficient, nuts and bolts administrator, who insisted that Dulles be driven home in an official car. Dulles made a show of protesting but accepted the kind gesture — one of the few bright spots in what colleagues described as a very dark day for the espionage legend. “His morale,” White recalled, “was pretty low on his last day as DCI [Director of Central Intelligence].”

Retired at home in Georgetown, the old spymaster’s funereal mood did not lift as Kennedy proceeded to rid his administration of remnants of the fallen Dulles dynasty. First to go were the Dulles deputies most closely associated with the Bay of Pigs, Dick Bissell and Charles Cabell.

Then Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, his brother’s vigilant watchman, tracked down Eleanor Dulles, who was still working quietly on German affairs in Foggy Bottom, and had Secretary of State Rusk fire her. “I don’t want any more of the Dulles family around,” the attorney general was heard to say. Eleanor took it hard. “It was silly, I suppose,” she later remarked. “I was 66 years old, and a lot of my friends asked why I should want to go on working. Well, I had psychological and financial reasons. My job at State was a valuable thing to cling to. Besides, I had debts. I had put two children through college, and I needed a salary.”

Over at the Pentagon, JFK had already begun to purge Dulles Cold Warriors like Arleigh Burke, who was drummed out of the Navy in August. Next to go was Lemnitzer, who was replaced as Joint Chiefs chairman by Maxwell Taylor in November, the same month Dulles himself was shown the door.

Kennedy took further steps to signal that the Dulles era was over and that the CIA would no longer be allowed to run wild; he placed overseas agents under the control of US ambassadors and shifted responsibility for future paramilitary operations like the Bay of Pigs to the Pentagon. It was the Kennedy brothers, not the Dulles brothers, who now ran Washington.

IN EXILE, DULLES RULES
Dulles found it hard to adjust to life on the political sidelines. “He had a very difficult time to decompress,” said Jim Angleton, his long time acolyte. But it soon became clear that the Dulles dynasty was not entirely dismantled.

In truth, the Kennedy purge had left the ranks of Dulles loyalists at the CIA largely untouched.

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James Jesus Angleton was CIA Counterintelligence Chief from 1954 to 1975. Photo credit: Unknown

Top Dulles men like Angleton and Helms remained on the job. And the Old Man’s shadow knights never abandoned their king. They continued to call on him in Georgetown, with Angleton visiting two or three times a week. They consulted with him on agency affairs, as if he were still DCI, and not John McCone. They collaborated with him on plans for books and film projects. They continued to kneel before Allen Dulles, their banished commander, and kiss his ring. And soon, Dulles began to emerge from his gloomy refuge, ready for action.

By mid-January 1962, the “retired” spymaster was writing an old comrade, “As you know, I am not much of a believer in either retirement or long vacations.” The house on Q Street was already on its way to becoming the seat of a government in exile. Dulles had been deposed, but his reign continued.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby fruhmenschen » Thu Oct 22, 2015 11:11 am

I just spoke with Ed Tatro who just returned from
speaking at the Oswald conference.


He got a standing ovation after his talk.

Ed scripted the banned History Channel documentary
The Guilty Men


Ed said be careful of who you think
the good guys are writing books
putting out disinformation




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The JFK Historical Group

http://changehistjfk.blogspot.com/

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On October 16-18 2015 nationally known researchers and scholars will gather in New Orleans at the Crowne Plaza Hotel-Airport, 2829 Williams Blvd., Kenner, Louisiana for Oswald's Summer of Secrets: New Orleans and the JFK Assassination.
The conference will break new ground in unlocking the mysteries of Lee Harvey Oswald’s activities in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 and explore other topics such as David Ferrie, Dr. Mary Sherman, and the Garrison trial, according to organizer Kris Millegan.
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Robert Groden, author five best-selling books about the assassination, and the first person to bring the Zapruder film to national TV in 1975;
Jim Marrs, author of four New York Times Best Selling books including Crossfire: The Plot That Killed Kennedy; chief consultant to Oliver Stone on JFK for both the film’s screenplay and production;
Joan Mellon, biographer Jim Garrison, A Farewell to Justice;
Patrick Nolan, is a forensic historian and the author of CIA Rogues and the Killing of the Kennedys: How and Why US Agents Conspired to Assassinate JFK and RFK;
Casey Quinlan, author, Beyond the Fence Line: The Eyewitness Testimony of Ed Hoffman and the Murder of President Kennedy;
Roger Stone, New York Times bestselling author, The Man Who Killed Kennedy—the Case Against LBJ;
Daniel Hopsicker, author Barry and “the boys,” The CIA, the Mob and America's Secret History, which chronicles the exploit of famed Louisiana native Barry Seal, his ties to the drug trade and the Kennedy assassination;
St. John Hunt, son of infamous CIA agent E. Howard Hunt, who stated that he was a benchwarmer during the JFK assassination; author, Bond of Secrecy.
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:37 pm

Lord Balto wrote,
Being as both Gen. Victor Krulak and Col. Fletcher Prouty identified Ed Lansdale--the veritable King of the Limited Hangout and most likely Malcolm X's head chicken he saw coming home to roost--in one of the "tramp" photos from Dealey Plaza, I have to assume that the Allen Dulles explanation may have been modified to look like a limited hangout, but most likely is the actual truth


I never delved deeply into the Kennedy assassinations. I think all here are probably aware of the claim that actor Woody Harrelson's father was reported as having been one of "the three tramps." http://tinyurl.com/pucxw42

Thanks for Part 3, slad. :scaredhide:
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Postby Lord Balto » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:50 pm

Iamwhomiam » Thu Oct 22, 2015 12:37 pm wrote:Lord Balto wrote,
Being as both Gen. Victor Krulak and Col. Fletcher Prouty identified Ed Lansdale--the veritable King of the Limited Hangout and most likely Malcolm X's head chicken he saw coming home to roost--in one of the "tramp" photos from Dealey Plaza, I have to assume that the Allen Dulles explanation may have been modified to look like a limited hangout, but most likely is the actual truth


I never delved deeply into the Kennedy assassinations. I think all here are probably aware of the claim that actor Woody Harrelson's father was reported as having been one of "the three tramps." http://tinyurl.com/pucxw42

Thanks for Part 3, slad. :scaredhide:


No, Lansdale is not one of the three "tramps." He appears in one of the tramp photos. The guy with his back to the camera:

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Both Krulak and Prouty worked down the hall from Lansdale at the Pentagon, where they would have seen him from all angles, and identified him in the above photo. For reference, this is an early photo of Lansdale:

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Tell me, is that a diabolical look or what?

By the way, Prouty claimed he didn't know what Lansdale was doing in Dealey Plaza, which I find rather bizarre. I suspect it's rather obvious what Lansdale was doing there, considering what he normally did for the CIA while maintaining his theoretical position as an air force general.
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Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:16 pm

^^^^ OK. Thanks for clarifying that. I'm not sure I've ever before seen the photo. And this was not the same as the one identifying Poppy, right? That one I believe shows a different setting, no?

Very creepy! He must have blinked.

Or been an Alien!!
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Postby NeonLX » Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:28 pm

Google treasure trove of George Herbert Herbert Herbert Bush at Dealey Plaza:

https://www.google.com/search?q=george+ ... JgodKdAEeQ
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Oct 22, 2015 3:47 pm

Historian Michael Beschloss said that Barbara Bush took her son George to Dealey Plaza that day to see JFK....but GWB couldn't remember where he was
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby Lord Balto » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:47 pm

Iamwhomiam » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:16 pm wrote:^^^^ OK. Thanks for clarifying that. I'm not sure I've ever before seen the photo. And this was not the same as the one identifying Poppy, right? That one I believe shows a different setting, no?

Very creepy! He must have blinked.

Or been an Alien!!


"It is worth noting that the proposals [for Operation Northwoods] were generated in reponse to a request by Mongoose head Edward Lansdale, who was picked by Kennedy to run operations against Cuba. Also, Cuban invasion planning proceeded after the March 13 presentation. However, no further development of pretexts for war appear in later records, and the circumstantial evidence is strong that McNamara simply rejected it."

Northwoods has been seen by some as the prototype for a 9/11 false flag attack. It certainly shows the sociopathic behavior of some members of the American government. That Lansdale was involved in its construction speaks volumes about his moral standards when it came to murdering innocent civilians. So, again, I have to wonder who is doing Lansdale's job now that he's gone.

The Ballad of Ed Lansdale: http://www.blackopradio.com/lansdale_song.html

As for Poppy Bush, I have not looked into that, but it looks like this has been pretty much debunked, at least among those who appear on Black Op Radio. This may very well be another misdirection.
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Thanks very much for this. I am really looking forward to reading this book!
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby cptmarginal » Thu Oct 22, 2015 7:50 pm

From a scan of all the experiences I have read about (of investigators), there are three strands which get extreme press-back

1 Israeli connections
Dig around Systems Planning Corporation and people will arrive to beat you on your front lawn, as Chris Bollyn found out.

2 Saudi - IT connections
Just ask Indira Singh. If you can find her.

3 Pakistani ISI / Drug connections
The deep south medic who met several of the hijackers
and made the mistake of reporting it to the FBI


Don't forget Daniel Hopsicker. I'm pretty sure he is forbidden by court order to write about certain people. Was it maybe something related to the German couple that recruited Mohamed Atta to the exchange program that led him on his path? That's one loose end that's never been tied up...

http://www.madcowprod.com/issue42.html
http://www.madcowprod.com/chicago_tribune.htm

In any case, I do know that Hopsicker has been hit hard financially by lawsuits (plural) over the years - entirely for what he writes about.

*edit* OK, this was the instance I was thinking of: http://www.madcowprod.com/11072006c.html

Four years ago we moved to Venice, FL and began poking around on-scene at the site of the biggest Sept 11 crime scene that wasn't reduced to rubble.

History has proven Jim Garrison right. He made a difference that still matters. And we have complete confidence that what we've done in Venice will be valuable to future historians of our time, and that 40 years from today the names Rudi Dekkers, Wally Hilliard, Mister X, et al, will be as familiar to those interested in the story behind the 9/11 attack as those of Ferrie, Banister and Shaw in the secret history of the JFK assassination.

Now that we've been sued by Mister X, we need big-time support if we're going to fight his lawsuit, and gain the ability to question him under oath. We need your help, and we need it now, within the next week.

If we are unable to raise $5000. to pay an attorney to represent us, we will be forced to settle, or risk being silenced altogether. But this is not about you supporting us.

The lawsuit filed against us by Mister X presents a unique opportunity to learn more about the intrigue swirling around Mohamed Atta and his fellow terrorists while they lived in this country. And if, for lack of resources, we're forced to settle, and the name "Mister X" is forever banished from our lips and from our website, life will most assuredly go on.


Identity of Mister X
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Thu Oct 22, 2015 8:25 pm

Damn, there is some really good stuff, just in the WhoWhatWhy excerpts! From Part One:

In panic-gripped Paris, reports of US involvement in the coup filled newspapers across the political spectrum. Geneviève Tabouis, a columnist for Paris-Jour, zeroed in directly on Dulles as the main culprit in an article headlined “The Strategy of Allen Dulles.”

Other news reports revealed that Jacques Soustelle — a former governor-general of Algeria who joined the Secret Army Organization (Organisation de l’Armée Secrète, or OAS), a notorious anti-de Gaulle terrorist group — had a luncheon meeting with Richard Bissell in Washington the previous December.


That name Soustelle was familiar to me. I ran a search through my blog and found that I had previously written about him. Apparently De Gaulle discovered that one of Sostelle's largest contributors was Ferenc Nagy, longtime asset of CIA DDP Frank Wisner and President of Centro Mondiale Commerciale, who had on their board of directors another CIA asset (sorry, agent): Clay Shaw, indicted for murder of JFK by Jim Garrison.
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby Lord Balto » Mon Oct 26, 2015 8:25 am

Lord Balto » Thu Oct 22, 2015 5:47 pm wrote:
Iamwhomiam » Thu Oct 22, 2015 1:16 pm wrote:^^^^ OK. Thanks for clarifying that. I'm not sure I've ever before seen the photo. And this was not the same as the one identifying Poppy, right? That one I believe shows a different setting, no?

Very creepy! He must have blinked.

Or been an Alien!!


"It is worth noting that the proposals [for Operation Northwoods] were generated in reponse to a request by Mongoose head Edward Lansdale, who was picked by Kennedy to run operations against Cuba. Also, Cuban invasion planning proceeded after the March 13 presentation. However, no further development of pretexts for war appear in later records, and the circumstantial evidence is strong that McNamara simply rejected it."

Northwoods has been seen by some as the prototype for a 9/11 false flag attack. It certainly shows the sociopathic behavior of some members of the American government. That Lansdale was involved in its construction speaks volumes about his moral standards when it came to murdering innocent civilians. So, again, I have to wonder who is doing Lansdale's job now that he's gone.

The Ballad of Ed Lansdale: http://www.blackopradio.com/lansdale_song.html

As for Poppy Bush, I have not looked into that, but it looks like this has been pretty much debunked, at least among those who appear on Black Op Radio. This may very well be another misdirection.


The Dan Hardway interview on the current Black Op Radio (#754) includes a good analysis of the Talbot book.
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby stillrobertpaulsen » Mon Oct 26, 2015 4:30 pm

Since Operation Gladio is the brainchild of Allen Dulles, I really hope Talbot details as much of this as possible. I find it a little disconcerting that he refers to Gladio in the WhoWhatWhy excerpt without calling it by name:

De Gaulle was particularly determined to shut down the secret “stay-behind army” that Dulles had organized in France — a network of anti-Communist militants with access to buried arms caches who were originally recruited to resist a potential Soviet invasion but were now aligned with the rebellious generals and other groups plotting to overthrow French democracy.

De Gaulle ordered his young security adviser, Constantin Melnik, to shut down the murky, stay-behind network of fascists, spooks, and criminals, which Melnik agreed was “very dan- gerous for the security of France.”

But Melnik, who was trained at the RAND Corporation, a leading think tank for the US national security complex, was another admirer of Dulles, and the stay-behind under-ground continued to operate in France. Melnik — who was the son of a White Russian general and the grandson of Czar Nicolas II’s personal physician, who was executed along with the imperial family — was as passionately anti-Soviet as his US security colleagues.



This Melnik is quite a fascinating guy. In addition to his Gladio ties, there is his connection with the Knights Templar of the Sovereign Order of the Solar Temple (OSTS). I'm highlighting the part pertaining to Melnik, but the whole article is great:


Constantin Melnik

Observers have noted that there are many parallels between the OTS and the original “Templar Order” in France, the OSTS. A leading member of the OSTS was Constantin Melnik, head of the then French external intelligence agency SDECE. Melnik conceived the so-called La Main Rouge (“the Red Hand”), a group of state-sponsored terrorists that specifically operated in the Algerian War in the 1950s. Several terrorist attacks were attributed to this organisation and seen as attacks against the French state, whereas they were actually committed by the state—a so-called false-flag operation.

Melnik has since admitted his responsibility in the creation of the fiction of the Red Hand, but he has denied any involvement in the Templar story. Instead, he has pointed the finger at the KGB! He claims that, in 1958, it sent over people to the area he lived in, dressed up as Templars, in an effort to discredit him! As he was later repeatedly seen at the OSTS headquarters in Villié Morgon, near Lyon, his claims regarding the KGB, even if true, do not change his personal and extensive involvement in the OSTS.

What Constantin Melnik does not dispute either is that he received his training from the Rand Corporation, a company whose principal customer is the Pentagon. He also accepts that it was François de Grossouvre who was instrumental in his return to France in 1983. De Grossouvre was the person in charge of Gladio in the Lyons region. Geoffroy d’Aumale and Jean-Pierre Faure, in their Guide de l’espionnage et du contre-espionnage (“Espionage and Counter-espionage Guide”), claim the same. De Grossouvre would later commit suicide inside his office in the Elysée Palace, the residence of the French president, though many believe that he was “suicided”.

Former members of the OSTS have noted that there definitely was a military aspect to the OSTS. Though there were mass gatherings of members in which apparently esoteric if not magical rituals were performed, there were also weekends of a slightly different nature. One member stated that on one such weekend, a group was taken to a secluded valley in which their guides began to show them extremely high-tech machine guns which definitely came from a military arsenal. They were asked to begin target practice, an offer which some of the OSTS members immediately declined and then most annulled their membership or let it expire. It therefore seems clear that the OSTS had always been, or at some point became, exposed to Gladio, and members were often unknowingly invited to begin to train as resistance fighters in the Gladio network.

Within the Gladio framework, the OTS begins to make more sense. If the OTS was part of the Gladio network, it would explain why it was led by Luc Jouret, a Belgian ex-military official with ties to Gladio. It explains the enormous sums of money that were transferred, and it explains what happened in the final days of the OTS. If the OTS was a Gladio cell, it seems that the French Ministry of the Interior had indeed infiltrated this cell and may have been responsible for neutralising it (for Gladio was controlled by the CIA and NATO, not the governments of the countries in which it operated). One means of neutralisation is to kill all members…
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby RocketMan » Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:26 am

I think "stay behind army" is a better catch-all term, as Gladio was just a local iteration of the larger phenomenon in Italy, amirite?
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Re: David Talbot set to directly accuse Dulles of JFK murder

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Oct 27, 2015 2:14 pm

Thanks again Lord Balto. I'm somewhat familiar with Operation Northwoods and thank you, Neon, for providing the Poppy/Dealey Plaza links.
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