Libertarian Party drama: Goat sacrifice, eugenics & OTO

[Twyla LaSarc]

Funny how the OTO hasn't issued an official statement. Gotta hear both sides.

I'd love to see who would issue an official statement. I'm sure 5 different grandmaster jackoffs from regional sects will get into a slapfight over who is actually responsible for making official statements. Let's be honest, if you can get kicked out over butchering a goat they're pretty softcore.

LOL and There'd be at least one renegade frater on a tricities site to tell them how they all sucked at Thelema(TM) and were doing it wrong.

[zangtang]

can't be too bad a match then, for operation CHAOS, if such a thing was real.

- hold on, on edit - thats the bloke who wrote 'how mumbojumbo took over the world' - which/ with whom i have major differences.

briefly, whilst there maybe a prevalence of balderdash, he seemed to take a firehose to anything just outside of leftfield & put a martin gardner PSICOP seal of disapproval
on the lot. suffocating air of superiority as i recall. I shall remain open to persuasion.

[PufPuf93]

This Augustus Sol Invictus humors me for it is hard to imagine a more self-defeating strategy than trumpeting goat sacrifice as a means to obtain an elected position in 21st century USA.

Good old Sol mocks the Libertarians and gets attention but does not have a snow flakes chance in hell of getting elected.

In my personal view Libertarianism and Thelema are flawed and neither ever have been seriously considered for a personal path.

I would never vote nor support Augustus Sol Invictus as he is a clown and why I can giggle over what is essentially performance art.

Cage rattling is cool.

However, as noted elsewhere on RI, I was an associate (non-initiated but dues paying) member of the Caliphate OTO for a decade and had about a 25 year period. I met on a number of occasions and had long correspondences with three well-known OTO figures and also got to meet RAW and Lon Milo DuQuette because of this side road of life. See viewtopic.php?f=8&t=39042&p=571187&hilit=OTO+Crowley#p571187.

Thelema can be self-actualization on steroids. Thelemites can be and are egomaniacs and assholes. But that is not true of all as probably more so than most cultures OTO is a target rich population for smart, fun, and freethinking individuals; not unlike RI. Thelema also has more than its share of boring and/or twisted fuck heads. The OTO people I actually came to know would likely have more to offer and fit in better at RI than I do. The fact that Thelema is a "secret" free-thinking hierarchy in structure is a recipe for schisms and power struggles. Thelema is lower case libertarianism.

One would hope that Augustus Sol Invictusis is having fun with a jape on the Libertarian Party and stretching some Florida minds. We see this all the time with RI topics. The ludicrous and incomprehensible -- the strong "crisis actor" or "no plane into twin towers" theories for example -- having a whisp of reality but mostly serving as a fly trap for the gullible and deranged.

I would rather have Augustus Sol Invictus exist just because of the narrative where he is taken seriously as a political candidate by some. The world is better for having counterpoints for crazed RW Christian Libertarians. I say the more ludicrous the better.

The more grounded of us get the opportunity to pass on the idea of goat sacrifice.

[backtoiam]

"One would hope that Augustus Sol Invictusis is having fun with a jape on the Libertarian Party and stretching some Florida minds."


"A mind stretched by a new idea can never go back to its original dimensions." Oscar Wilde

I can only come up with a few premises. I don't know any of the OTO people.

Certaintly this is not an accident.

Either the OTO themselves did it, or a rival.

Or it could be a collaboration of the brotherhoods, the craft as a whole, painting a picture of themselves and magic as an evil thing so people will stay away from it. It certainly would not be the first time in history that this happened. Painting power and knowledge of the ancient craft as evil to keep the profane away has always been its cover, at least in modern times, meaning the last few hundred years. The things that are taught to the profane that try to barge into the inner chamber are often fed horse shit, money collected from, and smiled at until they get tired of standing in the same spot all day talking to Gods that never do anything or answer.

With the internet there are a lot of people today who believe if they just read some stuff they may just be the next Super Adept Master Trickster Magikal. Occult forums tried to start up and they got flooded with people that have no idea what its really all about, read a few lines out of something, and professed to be a wizard in training.

The OTO probably makes a ton of money off those people though. Look at their website. You too can be a wizard if you pay them. Stand in the backyard, read this out loud, and wait...........until you run out of patience and money.

So I don't know. They just got trashed out of some money if they are complicit with this? Or are there just enough numb skulls out there that would respond if this is a marketing ploy?

I don't really know. But I think it is weird.

[PufPuf93]

"Either the OTO themselves did it, or a rival."

Augustus Sol Invictusis is an apostate and no longer OTO and likely a solitary; he is doing his own thing so highly unlikely that the candidate is an OTO plot.

To the best of my knowledge OTO is not akin to say Scientology in scamming folks for burden ship membership fees, turning over assets, or owning real estate or other investments.

One area where there is money involved and where there has been various battles and schisms ever since Crowley departed the scene is over money from publishing rights and ownership of written materials.

IMHO the saner members of OTO probably think Augustus Sol Invictusis is an asshole and are humored just the same by the attention he has generated.

Augustus Sol Invictusis is probably somewhere on the continuum between Trickster and (fraudulent) Messiah and ever more a legend in his own mind from the attention.

I am most curious about how serious Sol takes himself and am glad to watch is antics.

"A mind stretched by a new idea can never go back to its original dimensions." Oscar Wilde

Good quote especially for RI. Thanks.

[zangtang]

....generations have i lived amongst men....and now I HAVE NO TIME.....

don't make me come down there...........................

[backtoiam]

....generations have i lived amongst men....and now I HAVE NO TIME.....

don't make me come down there...........................

Damn. Again? I always hate it when I figure out i'm upside down. I thought the Old Testament God was done. We were in the New Testament, God loves us, and all that.

Now this? Shit....

[Nordic]

What is OTO?

[PufPuf93]

What is OTO?

Ordo Templi Orientis

Ordo Templi Orientis (O.T.O.) ('Order of the Temple of the East' or 'Order of Oriental Templars') is an international fraternal and religious organization founded at the beginning of the 20th century. English author and occultist Aleister Crowley has become the best-known member of the order.

Originally it was intended to be modelled after and associated with European Freemasonry,[1] such as Masonic Templar organizations, but under the leadership of Aleister Crowley, O.T.O. was reorganized around the Law of Thelema as its central religious principle. This Law—expressed as "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law"[2] and "Love is the law, love under will"[3]—was promulgated in 1904 with the writing of The Book of the Law.

Similar to many secret societies, O.T.O. membership is based on an initiatory system with a series of degree ceremonies that use ritual drama to establish fraternal bonds and impart spiritual and philosophical teachings.

O.T.O. also includes the Ecclesia Gnostica Catholica (EGC) or Gnostic Catholic Church, which is the ecclesiastical arm of the Order. Its central rite, which is public, is called Liber XV, or the Gnostic Mass.

more at (and all over the internet): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordo_Templi_Orientis

[backtoiam]

I will say one thing about that guy that is running the OTO right now. I don't even remember his name. I don't know anything about him. But, I went to the OTO website a while back and in his introductory statements he said, and I am definitely not quoting him exactly, but basically his message was "If you mess this up, it could damage your energy bodies so bad, that you could be toast, and end up insane."

I thought that was big of him, because it is so true.

Max Heindel from the Rosicrucians, and Rudolph Steiner will tell you the same thing. Risky business if you fly blind.

[SonicG]

I will say one thing about that guy that is running the OTO right now. I don't even remember his name. I don't know anything about him. But, I went to the OTO website a while back and in his introductory statements he said, and I am definitely not quoting him exactly, but basically his message was "If you mess this up, it could damage your energy bodies so bad, that you could be toast, and end up insane."

I thought that was big of him, because it is so true.

Max Heindel from the Rosicrucians, and Rudolph Steiner will tell you the same thing. Risky business if you fly blind.

No doubt, unleashing your kundalini can be extremely risky and there are a lot of OTO offshoots, not to mention Chaos Magic groups and assorted other occult groupings. I used to belong to a very mellow Golden Dawn off-shoot called BOTA and it was specifically a slow and very gradual path to enlightenment.

[zangtang]

Aaah Mr Bond, I've been expecting you....your continued refusal to die is beginning to intrigue me............................

[zangtang]

Where do i remember you from?.........

aah, Yes - Vienna.