Draining the Swamp

[seemslikeadream]

Nope, you done made RI the new CNN

.....what was that?

That's what pissed me off.......you just telling me I am the new CNN around here?

I guess it just might be a tad better than Info Wars...huh?

I don't need to step away ...maybe I need a clarification from you though

slad, I was actually agreeing with you, and was just suggesting a clarifier in the thread title.
I think it might be time to step away for 5 minutes and go take a walk.
The decline of western civilization will be here when you get back.

[brekin]

Nope, you done made RI the new CNN

.....what was that?
That's what pissed me off.......you just telling me I am the new CNN around here?
I guess it just might be a tad better than Info Wars...huh?
I don't need to step away ...maybe I need a clarification from you though

slad, I was actually agreeing with you, and was just suggesting a clarifier in the thread title.
I think it might be time to step away for 5 minutes and go take a walk.
The decline of western civilization will be here when you get back.

Oh, I was speaking to the people who thought there would be no difference between Clinton and Trump.
And now we see just from his cabinet picks its a completely different dark, evil ball game.
And so in effect the RI themes and topics which use to be fringe topics will now start becoming not only more common knowledge, but more common in occurrence.
So I wasn't addressing you (and as I didn't quote you don't assume you'd think so.)
So nothing personal meant.
Everything's cool.
Yup.
We're still going antiquing on Saturday, right?

[seemslikeadream]

yes we are... ..I love antiques.... flea markets...Goodwill...and Salvation Army

sorry about that....I have been so grouchy lately ...too many flat earth pizzas

[Harvey]

Oh, I was speaking to the people who thought there would be no difference between Clinton and Trump.
And now we see just from his cabinet picks its a completely different dark, evil ball game.

You could be right. Probably are. Except, hang on, what's actually different? Apart from the spin I mean?

Seriously, one example... Democrats pander to climate scientists but carry on, war and oil business as usual. Republicans don't pander to climate scientists and carry on war and oil business as usual. I'm looking closely but I'm not really seeing the essential difference.

Carry on.

[brekin]

yes we are... ..I love antiques.... flea markets...Goodwill...and Salvation Army
sorry about that....I have been so grouchy lately ...too many flat earth pizzas

No worries.Trying times are ahead for us all. I'd make self care a priority. I'm trying to.

Oh, I was speaking to the people who thought there would be no difference between Clinton and Trump.
And now we see just from his cabinet picks its a completely different dark, evil ball game.

You could be right. Probably are. Except, hang on, what's actually different? Apart from the spin I mean?
Seriously, one example... Democrats pander to climate scientists but carry on, war and oil business as usual. Republicans don't pander to climate scientists and carry on war and oil business as usual. I'm looking closely but I'm not really seeing the essential difference.
Carry on.

I think the difference is that there isn't the gesture of pretending to give a shit anymore.
People need hope to operate and this has evaporated it for many.
Obama was able to get away with doing a lot of bad and not doing a lot of good because he symbolized hope, even if he didn't deliver on much of anything.
Now, there's no six degrees of separation of malevolence and the pretending to outraged, confused and conflicted about trangressions is thrown out and its just going to be brazen.
And what just seems tasteless, off color and jingoistic is the new normal, so the next normal is going to be fucking evil. Trump's cabinet are just shameless, unapologetic, uncompromising in their policies. Lord knows what their secret agendas are in their heart of hearts.
I was talking with someone who grew up in South Africa during Apartheid, and she was saying that you don't know what its like when hate is the law. And when we do it will probably too late.

[Nordic]

I think the difference is that there isn't the gesture of pretending to give a shit anymore.
People need hope to operate and this has evaporated it for many.
Obama was able to get away with doing a lot of bad and not doing a lot of good because he symbolized hope, even if he didn't deliver on much of anything.

You just listed another reason why this current situation is a freaking improvement.

Obama was the opiate of the whole fucking country.

You snooze, you lose. We lost. A lot. Almost everything. SHIT they still can't shut up about sending forces into Syria and no fly zones and Evil Russia.

And then there was the TPP which came "this close" to being signed.

Now people can clearly see what the government, and America, is all about.

We're about to have our own "American Spring" at the aptly named Standing Rock.

But you'd rather return to the anesthesia and let them steal our internal organs?

That makes no sense. "Hope" my ass. Hope is a lie. You have to quit hoping and fucking do something.

[Nordic]

You realize all those angry liberals who are still stunned and shell shocked and demoralized and crying into their spice soy lattes are STILL giving Obama his highest approval ratings ever?

Fucking insane. And stupid.

[Iamwhomiam]

Draining the swamp, that's what started it all. Civilization, that is. We had to learn to turn our flippers into feet and fingers before grabbing a club to bop your neighbor.

I think it's sardonically amusing, draining the swamp. The result being those insider critters are now taking control of the cabinet. These are the very souls Trump pledged to rid us of. I wonder how long it will take his supporters to recognize his apparent reversals in promises he's made? Like appointing a Wall Street Hedge fund manager to head our nation's treasury.

How betrayal burns!

Never forget that Trump's groundbreaking is always achieved at someone else's expense. Usually, most invested their trust in the man before investing their money.

So how will those who invested their trust in him deal with being betrayed by him, once they've realized he has, considering for so many their trust was all they had to lose?

[seemslikeadream]

if Betrayus gets the nod...he will have to check with his probation officer before leaving the country

[brekin]

I think the difference is that there isn't the gesture of pretending to give a shit anymore.
People need hope to operate and this has evaporated it for many.
Obama was able to get away with doing a lot of bad and not doing a lot of good because he symbolized hope, even if he didn't deliver on much of anything.

You just listed another reason why this current situation is a freaking improvement.
Obama was the opiate of the whole fucking country.
You snooze, you lose. We lost. A lot. Almost everything. SHIT they still can't shut up about sending forces into Syria and no fly zones and Evil Russia.
And then there was the TPP which came "this close" to being signed.
Now people can clearly see what the government, and America, is all about.
We're about to have our own American Spring" at the aptly named Standing Rock.
But you'd rather return to the anesthesia and let them steal our internal organs?
That makes no sense. "Hope" my ass. Hope is a lie. You have to quit hoping and fucking do something.

I don't think so. No improvement, just closer to the point of no return. There is a difference between Aleppo and Detroit. For those who think Detroit turning into Aleppo will magically unmask the powerbrokers and turn all your neighbors into Green Party patriots need to ask yourself one question. Why should it?

Why should conditions getting worse make people rebel against the powers that be? Often conditions getting better foment more rebellion and reform. That's why retired hippies and young college students are the bulk of many protestors. Yes, Obama was medicinal marijuana for the country. But do you think Obama could ever have gotten a mandatory draft passed because of a preemptive war of aggression? No way. But Trump? Fuck yeah America. That guy wants to imprison and take away people's citizenship for burning a flag. When he turns the tap for the cold/warm wars to be hot, he'll push through a draft and then when America can then "can clearly see what the government, and America, is all about" we won't be the old lying, mercenary whore, but we will be Sparta.

I think of many people who, when they get ill, actually increase their self destructive behavior. I don't think anything says that when people see how diseased and evil uncle sam is this will be a good thing. Some anasthesia is necessary. Some filters and masks are necessary. For those who think they know what its about, how scary it is, and how it needs to be mainstream, well, I don't think they know how scary it really is.

[seemslikeadream]

EXXON MOBIL CEO is being considered for the next Sec of State

no kidding

no words

[freemason9]

You realize all those angry liberals who are still stunned and shell shocked and demoralized and crying into their spice soy lattes are STILL giving Obama his highest approval ratings ever?

Fucking insane. And stupid.

I think the issue here is that you're in a minority, and it's likely that most folks on this site represent a minority as well. Most aren't far left, and most aren't far right. We like Obama, mostly, because he was "no drama." We didn't have to see in him in every "news alert." He managed the country well enough.

That's all I want--I want a good manager. I thought Hillary would be the better manager of the candidates--but, Lord knows, I did not like her at all. I thought she lied a great deal, and that's really bad karma. In my mind Trump is far worse because he may be a megalomaniac.

Also, I want to change my user name goddammit. I haven't been an active mason for years.

[Nordic]

You realize all those angry liberals who are still stunned and shell shocked and demoralized and crying into their spice soy lattes are STILL giving Obama his highest approval ratings ever?

Fucking insane. And stupid.

I think the issue here is that you're in a minority, and it's likely that most folks on this site represent a minority as well. Most aren't far left, and most aren't far right. We like Obama, mostly, because he was "no drama." We didn't have to see in him in every "news alert." He managed the country well enough.

That's all I want--I want a good manager. I thought Hillary would be the better manager of the candidates--but, Lord knows, I did not like her at all. I thought she lied a great deal, and that's really bad karma. In my mind Trump is far worse because he may be a megalomaniac.

[Nordic]

Berlin wrote:

There is a difference between Aleppo and Detroit. For those who think Detroit turning into Aleppo will magically unmask the powerbrokers and turn all your neighbors into Green Party patriots need to ask yourself one question. Why should it?

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Who is equating Aleppo to Detroit? What are you talking about?

[brekin]

Berlin wrote:

There is a difference between Aleppo and Detroit. For those who think Detroit turning into Aleppo will magically unmask the powerbrokers and turn all your neighbors into Green Party patriots need to ask yourself one question. Why should it?

I have no idea what you're talking about here. Who is equating Aleppo to Detroit? What are you talking about?

I'm juxtaposing degrees of fucked up-ness. Some people (accelerationists) think Trump's election is a good thing because "now everyone will see what things are really like".
But the reality is even with all the problems the US is still a great place to live.
Most people wanting things to fall apart, break, don't realize if it gets to that there really won't be much to resist with.
Its like wishing a corrupt plutocracy will become a totalitarian regime so people will have no illusions how bad the government is.
That's what I meant, but I don't know who "Berlin" is. I do remember searching for the perfect words. I was hoping you might change your mind.
I remember a soldier sleeping next to me. Riding on the Metro.