FourthBase's Mea Culpa Thread

[FourthBase]

It is easy to heavily discount your 'anti-racism' given your Israel firster Neo-con warmongering conflations and rhetoric FB.

In fact, for me, all consideration of your verbiage is lost in bringing up the specter of NAZI's to support the aims of the only openly and explicitly racist state in existence.

Please do not engage with me, I don't care to interact with racists.

What?

I mean, you didn't even let me criticize Israel.
Stay tuned.

Sure, I might favor Israel's narrative (sorry, I'm a bit of a semitophile) but I'm absolutely willing to acknowledge ugly, ugly truths about Israel. You think I'm a fan of fucking Mossad, lol?

As for explicitly racist states...
You sure about that?

You sure there are no other nations on earth that elevate a particular monotheistic religion above all others, to the point of persecuting and executing religious minorities? You sure there's no such thing as Islamic supremacism? Or are you just forgetting?

And why the fuck are you all so bashful about Nazi comparisons? You only like them sometimes, when they suit your biases. Other times, it seems like you'd rather disavow using the most evil fascist regime in history as an instructive framework for edge-case thinking. Strange, for anti-fascists. Why so defensive?

[DrEvil]

No one here supports the Ayatollah, but a lot of people thought it was a really dumb idea to assassinate a prominent general from a country you're not at war with (yet). Chewing gum and walking at the same time!

Didn't intend to revisit Iran, but if we have to wrap up that thread a little for this one to be able to be self-actualized, okay.

Let's flout Godwin and go straight to a Nazi analogy, since they were so kind as to be the principle-clarifying standardbearer of evil.

Let's imagine a world where the SS is orchestrating terrorism against Jews, allying with Russia in a civil war, funding some fellow fascists abroad and rejecting others, purifying the homeland of degenerates, enforcing oppressive patriarchal norms, and trying to build nuclear bombs. They then start plotting hit-and-run attacks on French military bases. No war has been declared. Would a French president be justified in assassinating the Nazi general behind it all, as a deterrent?

I prefer reality. It's the US hell-bent on starting a war with Iran, not the other way around. Using proxies is a time-honored tradition of the US, but when Iran does it it suddenly warrants assassinating their top commander with unpredictable and potentially catastrophic consequences.

From your hypothetical above (you just described the voting base of the current US regime btw) I take it you believed every word of the US justification (and refusal to show any evidence for said justification) for doing it? Otherwise your argument for killing him disappears.

I believe in "none of the above" as the answer for which regime is believable. I think the US has malicious ulterior motives, and I think Iran has malicious ulterior motives. Do I believe that Iran would orchestrate attacks on US personnel? Absolutely. They're vicious warmongerers. They're wannabe imperialists. Do I believe the US has an interest in starting a war? Absolutely. They're vicious warmongerers. They're imperialists. In a vacuum, though, do I think a nation has the right to assassinate an enemy leader to deter a war in a situation that the US wants us to believe was the situation? Yes. The logic passes the anti-Nazi test. In a vacuum. Is it a vacuum? No. The US is probably skewing reality, angling for an escalation. But is it skewing reality completely? To believe that, you'd have to believe the Iranians. Why do you give them the benefit of the doubt?

Haven't you ever known a couple that got into fights and both of them were assholes? When one of them tells you their version of events, do you take their word? If one of them's behaving reprehensibly, does that mean the other isn't also? No. You assume they're both guilty of being assholes to each other, both simultaneously justified in resenting the other. You could, I suppose, just choose to take one side's side arbitrarily, be the loyal chauvinist for one and demonize the other, as a gesture of loyalty. Lots of people do that. "She's a cunt, forget about her, I got your back", meanwhile knowing damn well your boy is a fucking douchecanoe, too.

I'm not that kind of person. As a rule, I want the holistic view, the whole truth, I don't allow myself to be blind to this asshole's flaws and blind to that other asshole's charms. I insist that people sufficiently acknowledge their own failures, too. Doesn't keep me many friends. But I'm not in it for the friendship. I'm in it for the truth. The truth is my homeboy. I got the truth's back. I root for the truth, not for one team or the other. You all don't necessarily root for Iran, but you do root for Anybody Against America, just like I root for Anybody Playing the Yankees in baseball. This ain't baseball. Truth isn't a team sport. Or, if it is, then I'm going to be the asshole in the stands rooting against both sides and jeering all mistakes and cheering on all excellence. If I were on the field, I'd be a weirdo who plays for neither team, a kind of freelance fielder who makes outs for both teams where there are gaps, an extra runner who scores runs for both teams, standing on an extra base next to third.

I agree that all parties involved are assholes, and that both the US an Iran are warmongering lunatics, but to say assassinating Soleimani was to deter war is ridiculous. The US is already at war in the Middle East (and everywhere else).

Best case (from the US perspective) he was planning exactly what the US said and could have killed a bunch of American soldiers. In a war zone. In a war that the US started by lying through their teeth. Tough shit. Don't start wars. By US precedent it should now be okay to launch drone strikes at Trump by anyone involved in a US proxy war, or just level Washington for that sake, considering their track record of starting unjustified wars all over the place. It's only a matter of time until the next one, so better pull out those preemptive strikes and save a lot of lives. And do the Kremlin too while you're at it.

Worst case, the US was intentionally trying to set off a larger war in the Middle East, in which case the people responsible should be in jail for war crimes.

Bottom line: don't go blowing shit up when you have no fucking idea what the consequences might be. Or just don't blow shit up, period (except for fun).

Also: I don't root for anyone against America. I despise Putin even more than Trump. He's the competent version of Trump. I root against assholes and imperialist fuckwits, whatever their country.

[Sounder]

Why are you so defensive FB? Could it be because your cred builder 'anti-racism' bit falls flat, coming from an Israel firster neo-con warmonger supporter of the most racist state in the world?

Beyond that, you are boring.

[FourthBase]

Why are you so defensive FB? Could it be because your cred builder 'anti-racism' bit falls flat, coming from an Israel firster neo-con warmonger supporter of the most racist state in the world?

Beyond that, you are boring.

You forgot to wait for my criticisms of Israel.

Wait.

Kudos for switching to "most racist", though.

[Sounder]

Yeah sorry FB, you already lost me, you and all your hasbara douchebaggery can fuck off.

I have better way to spend my time than talking to an admitted semitophile, a racist.

[thrulookingglass]

[FourthBase]

This cross-posting things from Facebook seems to be a good idea for now. I'm having too much fun there not to share.

This one might qualify as a "Do You Know Who You're Talking To" on Reddit. It's a story about the black student who asked white students to leave a multicultural center because they were "taking up space", which isn't cool, but a dipshit goes "She probably got welfare as a kid and gets it now."

So I go:

Probably not, actually. You realize the majority of black people aren't poor, right? You realize the majority of people on welfare are white, right? You realize what kind of middle class upbringing is almost always required to qualify for admittance to UVA, right? She's just brainwashed by the woke racist cult. If anything, *only* a comfortable "well-educated" (black) person could ever be this deluded. Poor (black) people usually have way, way more common sense than this.

Then he goes

"I'm sorry to disagree but where i grew up poor by the way there are six black people in a house and each get their own welfare check and six obama phones so you can stick your argument until you actually live the life"

To which I go:

Bro, I grew up in the white underclass capital of the nation during the 1980's, Southie. There were three different public housing projects in the neighborhood, huge brick monstrosities. All full of poor white people. All of them on some kind of state assistance. My best friend grew up in one. He's good man, a real first-class unit now. His family moved on up, to the east side, literally. But most families didn't. It's a cultural trainwreck in those places. Also, in the COUNTLESS trailer parks dotting the country. All full of poor white people. All on some kind of state assistance. Meanwhile, I went to school with, yes, some hoodlums, and some of them were even black, but also many black kids way, way smarter than me, and I'm pretty smart. Way more responsible, although I'm none of that, lol. Elite human beings. Magnitudes better in every intellectual, ethical, artistic, and in most cases physical way -- than you.

[mentalgongfu2]

Cool story, bro.

[FourthBase]

Cool story, bro.

Cool vapid snarking.

Isn't this why you're here?

[FourthBase]

I really think I may have stumbled on something here.

A winning strategy. An effective method.

I may not be able to articulate what it is as well as some real erudite intellectuals (like, say, Jack) but you don't need a dog to tell you in complete sentences that there's a bird 15 feet up, to the left, in the middle of a medium-sized branch. It's good enough for it to bark up the right tree.

In a nutshell:

The opposite of ponerocracy is pwnerocracy.

[FourthBase]

But since evil is a two-way street, or a 12-way intersection, the pwnage has to be promiscuously distributed. Here's some apostasy. It may look like I'm attempting to collaborate with Nazis here, and: I am! In order to make an anti-fascist point. I sent this to a rancid reactionary:

I'm not a fan of the alt-right, but this idea is too good not to share, and there need to be literal Nazis for it to work as political theater, so consider this me throwing a bone, for the greater good. You're welcome.

I'm sure others here or on the chans have joked about doing something similar, but I don't think people realize just how effective a double-binding submission-move it would be, if it's done right.

Steps:

Locate a Muslim bakery that won't make a gay wedding cake.

Ask them to make a super-ghey wedding cake.

Wait for them to refuse.

Protest.

Profit.

Here is the specific recipe:

* 4 literal Nazis
- All dressed in *rainbow* attire
- 1 in a rainbow clown outfit (big honk)
- 1 as a drag queen in a rainbow dress (legit, no hetero half-assing)
- 1 dressed like that guy in the "Are you not entertained?" meme, with a heroic Batman cape and mask, wearing rainbow stockings and arm sleeves (I mean, really though, is this not why they are here?)
- 1 dressed as butch as Rachel Maddow performing in a drag king revue, in a rainbow-striped Nazi uniform (could be female, or could be a dude temporarily identifying as a butch lesbian, not sure which is more effective, meaningful propaganda...could be a coin flip)

* 4 signs
- 1 that is a verbatim quote of some obnoxiously woke sign from a Chick fil A protest
- 1 that calls for homophobic businesses to go bankrupt
- 1 that calls for homophobes to pack up and leave the country
- 1 that says "Are we the baddies?" or however that skit goes
- Should be in typical Germanic, very Nazi font, whatever that is (look up the photo of four Nazis holding signs in an anti-Jew boycott outside a Jewish storefront, the type should look exactly like that)

That's it. It should work. It's absolutely worth trying, anyway. As long as you maintain the cosplay (do it, it's for a good cause) throughout, and don't let your masks slip and reveal your despicable, deplorable personalities. At the same time, it has to be a transparent stunt. Part of the whole point is that the world gets to see that it's nearly impossible to tell the difference between progressives and fascists, which means people have to know that it's actually fascists doing the culture jamming.

The hilarious thing is, it really is the logical extreme of woke orthodoxy. Take an anti-homophobia boycott far enough, to its telos, and the majority of Muslims -- who can't change their beliefs because of biddah's airtight unchangeability -- would be pressured to leave the country. Meaning the woke left is functionally indistinguishable from the reactionary right. They're so woke, they're willing to show it by mass-deporting Muslims. Not that they'll ever have the requisite self-awareness or honesty to show the world that. But you can show it for them. Ahem. Nice logic there, isn't it? Would be a real shame if it was used against them.

[FourthBase]

More boring cool stories.
Also on the apostasy side, this one.

Fascism: "You, outgroup, shut up and leave this establishment or we'll destroy you."

Passive-aggressive fascism: "I'm not feeling very comfortable with that outgroup present. When they talk, it traumatizes me. I won't be emotionally healed until they're removed and fired."

Someone replied, so I replied:

Lovely post.

It's not about the particular who and whom. I'm just describing two different means of accomplishing the same fascist end. An antisemite in 1930's Germany could be just as much of a passive-aggressive fascist. At least early on, when unvarnished aggression wasn't yet officially sanctioned, there were literally passive-aggressive Nazi fascists. Passive-aggressive fascism is also a method used by racist Southerners. "The presence of these negros is upsetting me. They're taking up room in my space. I won't be comfortable until they're shown the door."

I embrace equality. I'm so much of an egalitarian, I think humans are All Too Equal. Meaning, I do not trust that the oppressed will not succumb to the temptation to seek revenge in the name of "justice" by switching roles with their perceived oppressors. Not just clearing the table, but turning it 180°, not finally making the world fair, but finally getting the chance to be unfair back. I *hope* that suffering is enlightening enough to make people better than that. But I fear we're all just the same. Only human.

To that end, it is not merely a fear, not merely a mirror. I'm extrapolating a trajectory of actual, racist, "anti-fascist", passive-aggressive fascism actually happening right now. Did you see the black student who asked white students to leave a multicultural center because they were "taking up space", i.e., that public venue is racial property, and one race needs to be removed to create more lebensraum?

I am aware of how much racism exists. How much racism black people et al. have to deal with. It's awful. Are you aware of how much *other* racism is also growing on the other side of the coin, and where it could lead to, if unchecked? Especially since the little pseudo-anti-fascists think they're immune from being a racist because of the fashionable bullshit "racism = prejudice + power" formulation. They literally think it's impossible for them to be racist. They're perfectly posed to be blind to their racism indefinitely, even as it gets harsher and harsher, less and less humane. They're going to be monsters. This, what we see today, is but a glimpse. I am worried about all victims of racism, anyone who's ever been a victim and anyone who ever will be. I want to stop all racism. The traditional kind that keeps happening, and the kind that's brewing and yet to come. I am DOUBLE the anti-racist.

Fear is useful, if there's something to be afraid of. Conflict is necessary, if there's an injustice to fight to stop or prevent. Do I think humans can culturally evolve beyond all this crap? Sure. That's why I argue. To accelerate that. To alert people to a blind spot, so it can be seen. To alarm people about a cliff, so we don't all fall off.

Do I think people would be nice and equal to each other if it weren't for power-structures conditioning them one way or another? Sure. But that's not enough, freedom from indoctrination. People might come up with these stupid ideas on their own, and the ideas would still need be shot down like winged rats. As of right now, the only explicit racism that's institutionally condoned is anti-white racism. You can say just about any terrible stereotype about white people, and not just get away with it, but be honored and rewarded for it. You can claim white people are morally inferior, and get grant money to prove it. You can wear an "Eradicate Whiteness" tshirt and no one would blink, whereas the same slogan based on some nuanced sociological thesis about "blackness" would rightfully cause a shitfit because very quickly there becomes no functional difference between the -ness and the people, so you'd eventually start eradicating people. I fear actual oppression, actual genocide. I'm hanging onto that bucket of fears, and I'm going to spread the fears like Johnny fucking Appleseed, because people who are not afraid of a thing cannot avoid that thing.

[norton ash]

I'm a Canadian democratic socialist and both our countries really need redistribution of wealth. Go Bernie. Visit Jeff's FB... we're pretty much on the same page.

[FourthBase]

I'm a Canadian democratic socialist and both our countries really need redistribution of wealth. Go Bernie. Visit Jeff's FB... we're pretty much on the same page.

I'll gladly put a Bernie for Co-President sign on my lawn.

[FourthBase]

This one feels special. Not boring:

Rather than Silents, Boomers, Xers, Millennials, and Zoomers: What's developing now as a superimposed Venn circle is an Internet Generation. How old we all are, in the larger scheme of things, means way less than having a planet's worth of humans doing the same thing -- what I'm doing now -- tapping on smartphones, holding an encyclopedia of the known universe in our fingers, leaving a nearly-indestructible record of ourselves in what amount to public diaries and letters -- in the same Current Years. Living in the same buildings, watching the same television shows, experiencing the same presidents. The disparate generations today have way, way more in common with each other than with any and all of the generations alive in 1920 or 1820, right? We also have way more in common, culturally, with the foreignest foreigners alive now than we do with our own direct ancestors from 150 years ago, let alone 300, let alone 500, and so on. Until very soon you're also literally more genetically related to the humans on the other side of the world right now than your distant grandpas. So, yeah, it's needless and ridiculous to divide up people now into age-based cultural sub-species. The only salient generation, ever, is: THE ALIVE GENERATION. That's all of us, everywhere, right now. Everything else, with exceptions, is just the universal tensions of familial competition manifested in slightly different ways, generation after generation after generation. There's always a young generation judging a middle-aged generation judging an old generation judging everybody. They're all right, too, to judge each other. Humans suck! I mean, we're wonderful creatures, the best, but we're riddled with gaping flaws. So, if you're being a judgmental asshole, to whomever, you probably can't go wrong! Humans are all too equal. Humans Are All Too Equal. HUMANS ARE ALL TOO EQUAL. That should both make you despair for the past and present, and rejoice for the future.

EDIT: And worry for the future. I forgot that part. We need to worry our asses off.

EDIT: And rejoice for the past and present. Forgot that part, too. I mean, hey, look, hooray: We're still alive! All the ways our species could be dead by now. Avoided. All the wars we chimps COULD have fought. With nukes! Not fought. All the ways *most* of us AREN'T suffering. That's a win. Humanity has been winning...compared to so, so many worse alternatives. We think we know, and we've had plenty of horrific previews, but we don't really know what real loss is, yet. Let's not find out. Let's prove that we're not imbeciles, and see how far we humans can ride this world.

I didn't realize until just after I posted it:

HAATE





Also, I just realized what I've essentially been doing.

Negging the human race.

As in, like, pretend it's Nietzsche seeking a polyamorous three-lationship with the The Truth and The World. As his "game" strategy: Negging. Negging the world. The truth itself is already negging us, and always has been negging us for as long as consciousness is old. ("The truth will set you free...but not until it's through with you.") This time, we neg the truth back, lol. "You disloyal cunt!" That's how a hypothetical douche-Nietzsche would seduce the truth and overcome this world.

More specifically, in posts above...
I was negging the alt-right.

How fucking hilarious is that?

To turn a line from The Dude:
Yes, I'm just an asshole -- but am I wrong?