BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

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Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:08 am

You know what's embarrassing? That I'm still enough of a sucker after all this time that when I first saw that KNBC story back on page four or whatever, I just naturally and blithely assumed that the reason they'd found the issue of immunity newsworthy enough to make a headline out of it must be because the one-and-only-one passing reference to immunity...

PATRICK HEALY: Neither would discuss the evidence uncovered but they believe Hughes got his immunity under false pretenses.

RACHEL BEGLEY: And the immunity was contingent on if his story checked out.


...that they make in the entire fucking story actually had some real and genuine news value.

IOW, I gullibly and unquestioningly assumed that Patrick Healy wouldn't have gone out of his way to record a voice-over implying that the original investigation had been dirty by using loaded words like "false pretenses" when referring to the as-yet-unrevealed-evidence unless he pretty well knew (on background) that it had been. In short, it was because I got punk'd by Patrick Healy that when

American Dream wrote:Here is a very interesting video clip from California TV:


Suspect Arrested in Triple Murder Had Been Given Immunity.


I responded...

It sure is. Speculation only, but it kind of suggests to me that Hughes is squealing like a pig on advice of counsel. Which is pretty much what you'd expect. But also that he hasn't completely lost his head, if (as I purely speculate based on little more than that video, so grains of salt advised) he's hoping to get away with just diming out the complicit and corrupt government officials who got paid to give him immunity in exchange for that "I was a bagman" testimony of (evidently) little prosecutorial value rather than the bad guys who paid them. Because the latter are probably both much more dangerous and in a much better position to take care of a threateningly talkative person when that person happens already to be behind bars. Which (speculatively) would kind of pass the hot-potato task of diming out the bad guys to the implicated (possibly former) government officials. Who I guess should be shoring up their home security systems if they haven't already done so, however speculative that scenario is, just to be on the safe side. Assuming that they exist at all. But it seems like a pretty justified assumption that they do, I'd say. Based on the immunity and subsequent decades of inexplicable inaction and so forth, I mean.


...thus inadvertently fucking up the early pre-publicity build-up for the punking that NMN had in the works (no offense intended, AD, I think you're being used and very much wish that I were in a position to help you). And possibly also giving Ms. Dixon a reason she might not otherwise have had to come on over to get shit back on track.*** Though I don't really know about that part, obviously. Or care that much, in fact. It was a pleasure having her around.

But the thing is: Reading it now, it couldn't be any fucking clearer to me that the only reason KNBC ever had for treating Rachel's comment about immunity as if it were newsworthy was that it was the sole meager scrap of information that Patrick Healy (and/or his producers) managed to get that hadn't already been made yesterday's news by, among others, the local media with which KNBC competes. In short, they needed a peg but the store was all out. So they whittled one. And I know that with as much certainty as if I'd been in the edit room with them. I really should have known it immediately. I know how they work, I used to be them.

Oh, man. It definitely does sometime lead to a lot more work than is strictly called for, I do admit. But still: I'm so infinitely grateful to whatever good fairy casually tossed the gift of eternal naivete into my cradle lo those nearly fifty years ago, words simply cannot say. Because it just must be so boring being cynical.

***ON EDIT: I am NOT saying that Ms. Dixon was spreading disinfo. Any more than I'm saying Patrick Healy was spreading disinfo. Everyone in the media has to get out there and pimp the brand a little from time to time. It's part of the job. And it's not incompatible with a sincere belief in the news to which you're trying to attract readers and/or viewers. It's just show business. That doesn't mean you're not serious about it.

I just wanted to make that extra-clear.
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Postby desertfae » Tue Dec 01, 2009 11:45 am

compared2what? wrote:
(no offense intended, AD, I think you're being used and very much wish that I were in a position to help you). And possibly also giving Ms. Dixon a reason she might not otherwise have had to come on over to get shit back on track.

This reminds me of something..hmmm, what was it I was called? Oh yea:
Kate Dixon wrote:
Kate Dixon wrote: I really don't know Ms. Begley. As far as I am concerned she is a tool
Wait until she finds out she was used as a mere tool.

LOL

compared2what? wrote:***ON EDIT: I am NOT saying that Ms. Dixon was spreading disinfo. Any more than I'm saying Patrick Healy was spreading disinfo. ........I just wanted to make that extra-clear.


Good clarification there, remember, you can lie and spread anything, as long as nobody calls you out on it. My pink unicorn is still cracking up here :)

compared2what? wrote:Everyone in the media has to get out there and pimp the brand a little from time to time. It's part of the job. And it's not incompatible with a sincere belief in the news to which you're trying to attract readers and/or viewers. It's just show business. That doesn't mean you're not serious about it.

Welcome to Hollywood folks :)
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Postby Kate Dixon » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:38 pm

barracuda wrote:
American Dream wrote:

Subtitle: With investigative help from victim's daughter, authorities no longer believe Jimmy Hughes was not completely truthful with his account of being the bagman for a purportedly approved covert operation.


You've got a typo there.

THANK YOU. TYPO FIXED. THE TRANSCRIPT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND IS VERY CLEAR RE; WHAT THE PARTIES ARE SAYING, SO NO ONE CAN BE MISLED IF THEY READ THE TRANSCRIPT. HOWEVER, IF YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ILLEGIBLE THING IS THAT HUGHES SAID, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. i could not hear it. I am not posting on this thread because it is totally dominated at this point by just one view point and I can't make any point about logic, law or the facts without a huge smear campaign that is really really meaningless. How this case goes in court will be fascinating with many pros and cons. So I am only hear to mention that this obvious typo is corrected.

Kate Dixon



Subtitle: With investigative help from victim's daughter, authorities no longer believe Jimmy Hughes was completely truthful with his account of being the bagman for a purportedly approved covert operation.


Fixed.

Funny how that happens. You'd think a professional organisation like "News Making News" would have proofreaders that could spot a double negative that doesn't exist in the original headline. Must've been a Freudian slip, or wishful thinking, or an optical illusion or something.
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Tue Dec 01, 2009 5:57 pm

I guess Kate is not used to critical scrutiny. She claims that this board is one sided though anyone can see that she (and VM) have both their supporters and detractors posting here. When one has their own website, they can control the argument - when they post on a neutral site, they are subject to criticism. Obviously, Ms. Dixon cannot stand the heat, so she is leaving the kitchen.
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Tue Dec 01, 2009 6:08 pm

BTW: Isn't the most logical way that the subtitle would have been placed on the NMN site is that the copy on the KNBC site would have been highlighted with the cursor, copied, then pasted onto the NMN site? If so, then it would have been identical. But it wasn't! So either we are to believe that KD and VM, who repost numerous articles from other sources, are unaware of the simple copy/paste function on a computer and retyped the subtitle, mistakenly adding a word that completely changed the meaning, OR they copied/pasted the subtitle and specifically altered the text on purpose.

Hmmm.... Once you understand the HOW, you begin to understand the WHY.
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Postby barracuda » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:00 pm

Kate Dixon wrote:THANK YOU. TYPO FIXED. THE TRANSCRIPT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND IS VERY CLEAR RE; WHAT THE PARTIES ARE SAYING, SO NO ONE CAN BE MISLED IF THEY READ THE TRANSCRIPT. HOWEVER, IF YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ILLEGIBLE THING IS THAT HUGHES SAID, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. i could not hear it. I am not posting on this thread because it is totally dominated at this point by just one view point and I can't make any point about logic, law or the facts without a huge smear campaign that is really really meaningless. How this case goes in court will be fascinating with many pros and cons. So I am only hear to mention that this obvious typo is corrected.


Thanks for fixing that, Kate. I believe Hughes says, "Nobody knows my situation. Nobody knows the debt that I have."

I really don't see how you can view this thread as dominated by a single viewpoint, though. It seems to me as if Virginia, American Dream, and yourself constitute a rather formidable group on one side of the discussion. It is only natural that your motivations might be examined by the forum, in as much as desertfae had to go through the mill in order for her sincerity to be ascertained. I mean, everybody's got an angle, right? And it's pretty much standard operating procedure on public forums to try and figure those angles out.

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Postby Kate Dixon » Tue Dec 01, 2009 7:39 pm

barracuda wrote:
Kate Dixon wrote:THANK YOU. TYPO FIXED. THE TRANSCRIPT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF AND IS VERY CLEAR RE; WHAT THE PARTIES ARE SAYING, SO NO ONE CAN BE MISLED IF THEY READ THE TRANSCRIPT. HOWEVER, IF YOU FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ILLEGIBLE THING IS THAT HUGHES SAID, PLEASE LET ME KNOW. i could not hear it. I am not posting on this thread because it is totally dominated at this point by just one view point and I can't make any point about logic, law or the facts without a huge smear campaign that is really really meaningless. How this case goes in court will be fascinating with many pros and cons. So I am only hear to mention that this obvious typo is corrected.


Thanks for fixing that, Kate. I believe Hughes says, "Nobody knows my situation. Nobody knows the debt that I have."

THANKS FOR HELPING ME WITH THAT. TONIGHT, I WILL GO OVER THE TAPE AGAIN, AND WHAT YOU SAY HUGHES IS SAYING AND CHECK IT OVER AND FIX THE TRANSCRIPT TO REFLECT THAT. Then the transcript will be really accurate I believe. As you must know, it is no fun transcribing tapes, and takes a lot of checking to get them really correct. I have seen court
fights wherein excellent professional transcribers, even court reporters do
trancscripts and lawyers and judges carry on about a few words here and there -- what is accurate, etc.

I really don't see how you can view this thread as dominated by a single viewpoint, though. It seems to me as if Virginia, American Dream, and yourself constitute a rather formidable group on one side of the discussion. It is only natural that your motivations might be examined by the forum, in as much as desertfae had to go through the mill in order for her sincerity to be ascertained. I mean, everybody's got an angle, right? And it's pretty much standard operating procedure on public forums to try and figure those angles out.

I don't have a copy of the immunity agreement or plea agreement (if there was a plea agreement, which I doubt) or a copy of a judge's order or a grand jury transcript reflecting an immunity agreement. I only know what the press and TV said Hughes said about it, and about what was said by JP and RB on the TV tape by Healy and I am hoping to get some other old tapes of Hughes or others regarding this which i will post on NMN asap.

Of course, RB knows the details re: the immunity thing and won't discuss it.

I tried to discuss it based on available information, thus I had to set forth various possible scenarios regarding the immunity, depending on what type it was and whether one could get around it or not. There are pros and cons on these issues right down the line. So I did the best I could and that is that. I will just get more information and post it as it all goes along.

Thanks for the help with that phrase on the tape -- it is important because it is Hughe's statement.

Best!

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Postby desertfae » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:24 am

Kate Dixon wrote:Of course, RB knows the details re: the immunity thing and won't discuss it.

No, I won't discuss it because a) I don't want to do anything to screw up the case, b) I already gave my statement on it on that interview, and c) after all you and VM have done to try to interfere in this investigation and case, I'm not about to give you any information that you can use to help the defense.
Kate Dixon wrote:I tried to discuss it based on available information, thus I had to set forth various possible scenarios regarding the immunity, depending on what type it was and whether one could get around it or not. There are pros and cons on these issues right down the line. So I did the best I could and that is that. I will just get more information and post it as it all goes along.

Best!

Kate

When you posted here regarding this issue, you make it sound as if you stated all possible sides of this, which you didn't. You made it sound as if you knew all about this issue and this is how it's going to play out etc etc.
It wasn't until others started taking notice of this and your baiting of me that other possible scenarios were discussed, and I believe that they discussed it, not you.

barracuda wrote:Nobody trusts anybody these days. The internet - it's a damn shame.

Yes, it is a shame. In my case though, I have to take it a step further and guard what I say over the phone, and in person as well. Especially with KD and VM. Let me explain why.
VM herself has had people pretend to be my friends, that were trying to gather info from me and give it to her. When I found out these people were conspiring with VM, I cut contact with them all together. At least one of these people has been on this forum also, and is probably reading these posts now.

First Email
----- Original Message -----
From:xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: vmccullough
Sent: xxxxxx, xxxxx xx, 2008 xx:xxPM
Subject: xxxxx


Dear Ms. McCullough,

Thank you for your time on the phone today. xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Sincerely,

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

=========================
Second Email
----- Original Message -----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Virginia McCullough
Sent: Tuesday, xxx xx, 2008 xx:xxPM
Subject: Latest


I received the email, at the bottom, from Rachel.

xxxxxxxxxx

----- Original Message ----
From: desertfae <desertfae@gmail.com>
To: xxxxxxxxx <xxxxxxx@xxxxx.xxx>
Sent: Tuesday, xxxx xx, 2008 xx:xx:49 PM
Subject: xxxxx


xxxxxxxxx,
What exactly are you trying to do here?
Where are you getting all of this information from?

Also, I know that the police have screwed you over in the past pretty bad, but have you went to them with the stuff you've found since all that? If so, if they didn't act on it, did you know that you can take this to your local grand jury to look at?

One more thing, when did I become the "enemy" which is what you're implying here.

I'm nothing more than the daughter of a murder victim looking to get justice. I happen to have morals and see where A LOT of people have been hurt in this mess.
Here's the problem I'm facing currently, no matter who I talk to, there is always a chance, no matter what that person may say about trust and never betraying it, that they will have someone either a) tell them something to make things appear a certain way to discredit EVERYTHING else, or b) find BS stuff online to spread crap.
This is why I have to be very careful with who I talk to. Just like if someone you were friends with or whatever suddenly tried to discredit you. It's not a good feeling xxxxxxxx.
Honestly, me, I'm actually trying to go through the 'chain of command' so to speak by going through the police and getting this done legally, this is why I can't tell you everything I know. What I can tell you though is that you are messing with some seriously dangerous stuff not only for you, but others, and I really hope you take that into consideration when doing what you're doing. Myself, I am very careful what I say and to whom I say it to, because I do not want ANYONE else to die..
If you feel the need to attempt to discredit everything I'm doing over this, by all means, have fun... it won't stop what I'm doing though.


Rachel
=========================================
And I have tons more where that came from. I guess people think I'm stupid or something and that I won't find out that they are trying to gather info from me and send it to VM??
See in this exchange with xxxxxxx, who pretended to be my friend to gather info for VM, they were upset that I wouldn't give them evidence and info, when I wouldn't, the attack began. As you can see, all my emails to xxxxxx were shared with VM. This person isn't the only one either. I have many, many others.
So as you see, trust isn't something cheap, and it's something earned, over a very long period of time with me. I do not take trust lightly.
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Wed Dec 02, 2009 1:55 am

I will say that Rachel probably trusts me more than most people that she has dealt with, and she still tells me very little! She has worked long and hard - accomplishing more than anyone else has in twenty-eight years - and she is rightfully protective that she will not blow it now. I guess some will just have to understand that providing them information is not the priority right now. You'll find out during the trial... unless, of course, you join the defense team and then you'll find out during discovery. :wink:
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Postby desertfae » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:00 am

Dr_Doogie wrote:I will say that Rachel probably trusts me more than most people that she has dealt with, and she still tells me very little! She has worked long and hard - accomplishing more than anyone else has in twenty-eight years - and she is rightfully protective that she will not blow it now. I guess some will just have to understand that providing them information is not the priority right now. You'll find out during the trial... unless, of course, you join the defense team and then you'll find out during discovery. :wink:

Hey, when the time is right, I have more documents to send your way on PAT. Currently, I have them tucked away safe and sound at an undisclosed location due to a recent contact I've made with someone (I have all my evidence in a secure location because of this contact). But when it's safe to do so, I'll take a road trip to get them and send them your way. I have to confirm first though, that none of them will be used in trial.
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Postby desertfae » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:03 am

Dr_Doogie wrote:I will say that Rachel probably trusts me more than most people that she has dealt with, and she still tells me very little!

Oh, one more thing. I've told you way more than others.. and I pretty much let the documented evidence do the talking :)
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Postby justdrew » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:11 am

Well, not to be annoying but... that makes me wonder how you got access to emails sent to vmccullough ?
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:15 am

I just wanted to reinforce why you cannot share info freely - not just with VM and KD, but with even those who you trust.

And thanks in advance for the PAT info.
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Postby desertfae » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:19 am

justdrew wrote:Well, not to be annoying but... that makes me wonder how you got access to emails sent to vmccullough ?

LOL VM likes to share her information with all sorts of people, and some of those people warned me.
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Postby desertfae » Wed Dec 02, 2009 2:38 am

Here's a perfect example:
See how the wheel turns?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:xxxxxxxxxxx@xxxxxxxx.xxx]
Sent: xxxxxx, xxxxx xx, 2008 xx:xxPM
To: desertfae@gmail.com
Subject: FW: xxxxxxxxxx

Be Careful.

xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

-----Original Message-----
From: Virginia McCullough
Sent: xxxxxx xx/xx/2008 xx:xxPM
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Fw: xxxxxxxxxxxx



----- Original Message -----
From: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Virginia McCullough
Sent: xxxxxxx, xxxx xx, 2008 x:xxPM
Subject: Fw: xxxxxxxx


I thought you might find this interesting.

xxxxxxx



----- Forwarded Message ----
From: desertfae <desertfae@gmail.com>
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <xxxx@xxx.xxx>
Sent: xxxxxxx, xxxx xx, 2008 xx:xx:xxPM
Subject: xxxxx


fyi, I got this after I got off the phone with you
keep this confidential
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