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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jan 29, 2011 11:28 pm

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Ooh, looks good. I wonder if they get into Ayman al-Zawahiri, the Muslim brotherhood and that whole thing

Occult Means Hidden wrote:Saudi royalty is shaking in their boots:

Saudi Arabia slammed protesters in Egypt on Saturday as "infiltrators" who seek to destabilize their country, while a a top Palestinian official affirmed "solidarity" with Egypt...

...That said, Saudi King Abdullah called Mubarak and "was reassured" about the situation in Egypt, the state-run Saudi Press Agency reported.

"During the call, the king said, 'Egypt is a country of Arabism and Islam. No Arab and Muslim human being can bear that some infiltrators, in the name of freedom of expression, have infiltrated into the brotherly people of Egypt, to destabilize its security and stability and they have been exploited to spew out their hatred in destruction, intimidation, burning, looting and inciting a malicious sedition,'" the news agency said.

Saudi Arabia "strongly condemns" the protest, it said.

http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/meast/01/29/egypt.middle.east.reaction/index.html?hpt=T2



People overthrowing the brutal terror funding goons who run Saudi Arabia would be one of the best things to happen. Saudi Arabia, as much as people want to keep saying how America and "The Zionists" control everything, are one of the big players in the globalist rogue's gallery. They and China, along with the UAE. I would also say France. A lot of evidence suggests France was secretly behind the Rwandan genocide as well as the Darfur genocide with China and Sudan.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Jan 30, 2011 2:17 am

Some have speculated that the "thousands of convicts escape prison to run rampant on street" was perhaps intentional. And that the no police presence is to allow for maximum chaos, so people will be begging for law and order. Soon people say foot soldiers will come in, but so far the soldiers already sent in are either neutral or openly protesting with the people.

On a side note, for those who see an arcane and esoteric significance with Egypt...just like Iraq's Sumerian and Babylonian museums and artifacts, the Egyptian museums are getting ransacked. And they're now having to put tanks in front of the pyramids to block people from getting near them.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Jeff » Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:45 am

Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak may have fled to his home in Sharm el-Sheikh on Saturday as flames and riots engulfed the capital city of Cairo, according to world media reports.

Mubarak's two sons, Gamal and Ala, arrived in London late Saturday as the clashes in their home country continued. The Egyptian president's wife joined them a few hours later.


http://www.haaretz.com/news/internation ... o-1.340107
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby wallflower » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:06 am

I may not be quite caught up with this thread, but I wanted to ask a question: How much credence to lend AlJeezera.com?

AlJezeera.com has no connection to Al Jeezera the TV operation. I've found AJE (The English language service of Al Jeezera TV) to be providing high quality journalism. Some of the stuff I've seen via Twitter that AlJeezera.com seems uncorroborated and likely false.

I didn't look too hard but didn't find out much about who's behind Al Jeezera Publishing which is owns Al Jeezera.com as well as Islam Today.

Anyhow seeing reports sourced to AlJeezera.com that the military killed over one hundred people in Tahrir Square on Twitter and then to see tweets from people on the ground contesting the veracity make me highly suspicious of AlJezeera.com.

At least I think it's important to make a clear distinction between reports coming from Al Jeezera TV and AlJeezera.com.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:33 am

From George Washington's blog

http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/


Saturday, January 29, 2011
The Egyptian Revolution Shows that the Us-Versus-Them Narrative of the War on Terror is False


While many in the U.S. have tried to paint most Muslims as extremists, and the "War on Terror" as being a black-and-white war of good guys versus bad browned-skinned people, the Egyptian revolution shows that the reality is very different.

As Democracy Now producer Sharif Kouddous tweets, moderate Muslims are drowning out members of the Muslim Brotherhood:

Muslim Brotherhood chanting Allah Akbar. Crowd stopped them chanting louder: Muslim, Christian, we're all Egyptian.

And as Sana Saleem tweets, Muslims and Christians are working together to replace their tyrannical leader:

While Muslim Protestors prayed today, Christian Egyptians formed human chains to protect them. Solidarity,strength and co-existence.

Indeed, interviews with Egyptian protesters show that they just want equality and freedom ... like we do. Despite their accents and appearance, they are really not that different from us.

No wonder even former U.S. National Security Adviser Zbigniew Brzezinski told the Senate that the war on terror is "a mythical historical narrative".
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:16 am

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Sunday, January 30, 2011
Is the Egyptian Government Using Agents Provocateur to Justify a Crack Down On the Protesters?


Al Jazeera reported today:

[Al Jazeera reporter] Ayman Mohyeldin reports that eyewitnesses have said "party thugs" associated with the Egyptian regime's Central Security Services - in plainclothes but bearing government-issued weapons - have been looting in Cairo. Ayman says the reports started off as isolated accounts but are now growing in number.

Similarly, Egyptian newspaper Al MasryAlyoum provides several eyewitness accounts of agents provacateur:

Thugs looting residential neighborhoods and intimidating civilians are government-hires, say eyewitnesses.

In Nasr City, an Eastern Cairo neighborhood, residents attempting to restore security told Al-Masry Al-Youm that looters were caught yesterday.

“They were sent by the government. The government got them out of prison and told them to rob us,” says Nameer Nashaat, a resident working alongside other youths to preserve order in the district. “When we caught them, they said that the Ministry of Interior has sent them.”

In Masr al-Qadeema, another district, scrap metal dealer Khaled Barouma, confirmed the same account. “The government let loose convicts. They let them out of prisons. We all know them in this neighborhood,” he said, adding that the neighborhood’s youth is trying to put the place in order by patrolling its streets with batons.

“The government wants people to believe that this is an uprising of convicts, which is not the case. The government is the one that is a criminal,” Khalil Fathy, a local journalist covering the events closely, said.

In Rehab City, a wealthy gated community in New Cairo, masked thugs broke through a civilian barricade in a truck and were caught by a neighborhood watch that has been guarding the city this evening.

"Even though we caught the ones we saw, now that they're in, we know that more will be coming and we're all running to protect our families and houses," said Karim el-Dib, one of the men guarding the community.
Meanwhile, protestors caught two police informants attempting to rob a bank in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria.

Ayman Nour, opposition leader and head of the Ghad Party, told Al-Masry Al-Youm that his fellow party members have caught several thugs who work forthe Interior Ministry. After capturing them in downtown Cairo and Heliopolis, Nour's followers found ministry of interior IDs on them, Nour said.

“The regime is trying to project the worst image possible to make it clear to people that they have only one of two alternatives: either the existing order or chaos,” he said.

Scores of looting incidents have been reported since yesterday. Many residential neighborhoods have been attacked by thugs and ex-convicts, despite military presence.

And American intelligence service Stratfor provides the following unconfirmed report today:

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace.

As I noted in 2008:

When agents provocateur commit violence or destroy property at peaceful protests, they are carrying out false flag terrorism.

Wikipedia defines false flag terror as follows:

False flag operations are covert operations conducted by governments, corporations, or other organizations, which are designed to appear as if they are being carried out by other entities. The name is derived from the military concept of flying false colors; that is, flying the flag of a country other than one's own. False flag operations are not limited to war and counter-insurgency operations, and have been used in peace-time; for example, during Italy's strategy of tension.

If intelligence agencies or federal, state or local police themselves commit acts of violence against people or property, and then blame it on peaceful protesters, that is - by definition - false flag terror.

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Read this to see how eagerly the mainstream media are to pin acts of violence on peaceful protesters, instead of the thugs who actually committed them.

And if you don't know about agents provocateur, read this statement about Burma:

"They’ve ordered some soldiers in the military to shave their heads, so that they could pose as monks, and then those fake monks would attack soldiers to incite a military crackdown. The regime has done this before in Burma, and we believe they would do so again."

And see this news from Canada, and this Wikipedia discussion.

And as I pointed out last year:

* United Press International reported in June 2005:

U.S. intelligence officers are reporting that some of the insurgents in Iraq are using recent-model Beretta 92 pistols, but the pistols seem to have had their serial numbers erased. The numbers do not appear to have been physically removed; the pistols seem to have come off a production line without any serial numbers. Analysts suggest the lack of serial numbers indicates that the weapons were intended for intelligence operations or terrorist cells with substantial government backing. Analysts speculate that these guns are probably from either Mossad or the CIA. Analysts speculate that agent provocateurs may be using the untraceable weapons even as U.S. authorities use insurgent attacks against civilians as evidence of the illegitimacy of the resistance.

* Quebec police admitted that, in 2007, thugs carrying rocks to a peaceful protest were actually undercover Quebec police officers

* At the G20 protests in London in 2009, a British member of parliament saw plain clothes police officers attempting to incite the crowd to violence
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby lupercal » Sun Jan 30, 2011 5:30 am

Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace.

Yes. As I've mentioned this is how the CIA brought down Mossadegh in 1953, namely bribing security personnel to act as agents provocateurs, among other dirty tricks. If they get caught, they blame Mubarak, so it's a win-win. It worked it Iran, it worked in Tunisia, and I hope to heck it fails in Egypt.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:28 am

lupercal wrote:
Security forces in plainclothes are engaged in destroying public property in order to give the impression that many protesters represent a public menace.

Yes. As I've mentioned this is how the CIA brought down Mossadegh in 1953, namely bribing security personnel to act as agents provocateurs, among other dirty tricks. If they get caught, they blame Mubarak, so it's a win-win. It worked it Iran, it worked in Tunisia, and I hope to heck it fails in Egypt.


you're comparing Mubarak to Mossadegh? hmm.

seems the more fitting comparison would be to the shah.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:36 am

wallflower wrote:I may not be quite caught up with this thread, but I wanted to ask a question: How much credence to lend AlJeezera.com?

AlJezeera.com has no connection to Al Jeezera the TV operation. I've found AJE (The English language service of Al Jeezera TV) to be providing high quality journalism. Some of the stuff I've seen via Twitter that AlJeezera.com seems uncorroborated and likely false.

I didn't look too hard but didn't find out much about who's behind Al Jeezera Publishing which is owns Al Jeezera.com as well as Islam Today.

Anyhow seeing reports sourced to AlJeezera.com that the military killed over one hundred people in Tahrir Square on Twitter and then to see tweets from people on the ground contesting the veracity make me highly suspicious of AlJezeera.com.

At least I think it's important to make a clear distinction between reports coming from Al Jeezera TV and AlJeezera.com.


yeah, well, there's only one "report" from aljazeera.com on this thread and it takes the cake as far as "faroutness" goes, so... i mean, "mubarak in exile in israel"? come on. – if that don't make you laugh, what will?

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most likely he'll end up in the gulf, switzerland, the uk or just across the potomac.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:44 am

Netanyahu on Egypt: The aim is to maintain stability
By JPOST.COM STAFF
01/30/2011 11:52

In first official comments on anti-government protests in Egypt, PM explains that Israel is closely monitoring situation, says he has spoken with Obama, Clinton.

In his first official comments on the situation in Egypt, Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu said Sunday that Israel is "closely monitoring" the anti-government protests.

"The aim is to maintain stability and ensure that the peace between us and Egypt continues," the prime minister said during the weekly cabinet meeting.

"On Saturday I spoke with US President Barack Obama, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Defense Minister Ehud Barak, Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman and all the relevant intelligence officials," Netanyahu said.

Netanyahu explained that "our efforts are intended to maintain stability in the Middle East."

"The peace between Israel and Egypt has lasted for over three decades and our aim is to insure that these relations will continue to exist throughout any developments in Egypt," the prime minister continued.

Netanyahu advised ministers not to express their personal opinions on the tensions because of the sensitivity of the issue. "At this stage we must show restraint and discretion," he said.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPoliti ... ?id=205841


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enter "out trusted friend" Omar Suleiman.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:58 am

5th day of upheaval in Cairo tinged with hopes of change
By BY MELANIE LIDMAN, JPOST CORRESPONDENT IN CAIRO
01/30/2011 01:39

'JPost' special report: Protestors satisfied after Mubarak announces gov't changes; Egyptians: "We have been angry for 30 years!"[psin alert]

CAIRO – “Last night it was beautiful, it was a miracle,” said Haneen, a drama and translation student at Cairo University, of the demonstrations that rocked the city on Friday’s “Day of Rage.”

A government-imposed curfew of 6 p.m. was widely ignored as tens of thousands of Cairenes took to the streets to shout for a change in their government.

Friday was a tipping point in the capital, and on Saturday the optimism was hard to contain. Across the city there is a glowing satisfaction in knowing that they have made their point loud and clear – the army was listening, the world was listening and most of all, Hosni Mubarak was forced to start listening to the people. Now, the demonstrators feel, if they can keep the momentum going, it will carry them forward to change in the next few days.

A communications blackout was partially lifted on Saturday morning, when cellphones started working at 11 a.m. Internet was still down on Saturday night.

We don’t know what the world is saying, or even what’s going on in the country; it’s like we’re blind,” said Tarek Muhammad, a second-year communications student at Cairo University, located in the Giza suburb, 15 kilometers from the pyramids.

There is a great fear in Egypt that because of the communications blackout, the world will not see what is happening in their country and therefore will fail to put pressure on Mubarak.

On Friday, police targeted the international media. BBC photographers had their cameras smashed, a journalist from the Guardian was severely beaten and other journalists shared stories on CNN of police violence directed at destroying their communications.

Every time I brought out my camera during the demonstrations and said I was from America, dozens of people would crowd around me and try to get their message out. They were clear – they like Americans, but they blame the American government for their situation today, for supporting the Egyptian government with over a billion dollars a year in military aid.

Protesters filmed by Al-Jazeera held up some of the shells from live ammunition that has been fired at the crowd and chanted, “America! America!”

We want America not to be involved, and not to conflict in our business,” said Ahmed al-Masri, a Giza resident. “We can manage our business ourselves, we can do it! America is just looking out for its own interests. We have a lot of young Egyptians, and people in general, who want Egypt to be better; we don’t want interference from Israel or America or any other foreign country. We will continue our struggle for a good Egyptian future.”

The message from the streets is getting out – to America, to Europe and especially in the Arab world. The popular protests rocking the region may not have started in Egypt, but here they have been the largest and the most violent. As Egypt is the most populous Arab country, with more than 80 million citizens, these demonstrations are something of a barometer for public sentiment in the other Arab countries.

“We Muslims are all brothers,” Masri said. “We are happy about what happened in Tunis and we want it to happen in every Arab country; we want freedom.”

But he warned that Egypt needs to concentrate on its own goals before worrying about the example it is setting.

The military’s presence in the streets signals an important change, that the police have given up and have ceded their role to restore order.

“[Last night], we were chanting, ‘Where is the army, we want the army,’ and then the army came!” said Haneen, the drama student, as she pointed out a tank that was covered with cheering people of all ages.

The protests are a wave of humanity – young, old, religious, secular. Some come in wheelchairs, others carry toddlers on their shoulders. The tear gas is strong and many people have blood-spattered shirts and freshly bandaged wounds. A few times a day large swathes of Tahrir Square are cleared so that men can kneel down and pray, hundreds at a time.

The anger is real, as is the optimism, that finally, the people have been loud enough to make their opinions heard.

“We have been angry for 30 years!” one man shouts at me as we are swept across a bridge over the Nile toward the huge square.

But there is hope that finally something will change.

“We are making a point, and it is a good point
,” Haneen said.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=205793

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:08 am

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:19 am

AJ report that mil might join protestors; all walks of life, men, women, children, on Tahrir sq.

wikileaks on Egypt mil:
S E C R E T CAIRO 002091

SIPDIS

DEPARTMENT FOR NEA/ELA AND INR/NESA
OSD FOR AGUIRRE
JCS FOR YODER

E.O. 12958: DECL: 09/23/2028
TAGS: PARM PGOV ECON EG
SUBJECT: ACADEMICS SEE THE MILITARY IN DECLINE, BUT
RETAINING STRONG INFLUENCE

REF: A. CAIRO 1851
¶B. CAIRO 530
¶C. CAIRO 524
¶D. 07 CAIRO 1417

Classified By: DCM Matthew Tueller for reason 1.4 (b) and (d).

¶1. (C) Summary: Recently, academics and civilian analysts
painted a portrait of an Egyptian military in intellectual
and social decline, whose officers have largely fallen out of
society's elite ranks. They describe a disgruntled mid-level
officer corps harshly critical of a defense minister they
perceive as incompetent and valuing loyalty above skill in
his subordinates. However, analysts perceive the military as
retaining strong influence through its role in ensuring
regime stability and operating a large network of commercial
enterprises. Regarding succession, analysts highlight the
armed forces' uneasiness with Gamal Mubarak, but largely
agree that the military would support Gamal if President
Mubarak resigns and installs him in the presidency, a
scenario we view as unlikely. One professor opined that
since 2003, the regime has tried to strengthen the economic
elite close to Gamal at the expense of the military in an
effort to weaken potential military opposition to Gamal's
path to the presidency. Other analysts believe the regime is
trying to co-opt the military through patronage into
accepting Gamal and that despite tensions between the
military and business, their relationship remains
cooperative.
End summary.

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An Institution in Decline
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¶2. (C) A series of recent conversations with academics and
other civilian analysts reveals their sense that while
Egypt's military is in decline, it nevertheless remains a
powerful institution. (Note: These academics' expertise in
Egyptian politics and willingness to comment on the sensitive
issue of the military's current role makes them valuable
interlocutors for us. End note.) An XXXXXXXXXXXX professor with XXXXXXXXXXXX ties to
the officer corps told us that the military reached its peak
of influence in the late 1980's before the ouster of the
recently deceased former Defense Minister Abu Ghazalah, who
was dismissed because of his growing political popularity.
He asserted that since 1989, the MOD's influence in Egyptian
society has been gradually waning, and the privileged social
position of its elite members has been in decline as
society's respect for the military fades. One
XXXXXXXXXXXX analyst at the XXXXXXXXXXXX
who is a retired XXXXXXXXXXXX noted that military salaries have
fallen far below what is available in the private sector, and
that a military career is no longer an attractive option for
ambitious young people
who aspire to join the new business
elite instead.

¶3. (S) A senior XXXXXXXXXXXX professor
opined that before the 1967 war, military officers were
"spoiled," and constituted a social elite. Following the
military's poor performance in the 1967 war, he said,
officers began a descent out of the upper ranks of society
that accelerated after Abu Ghazalah's ouster in 1989
. Since
Abu Ghazalah, a senior AUC political science professor noted,
the regime has not allowed any charismatic figures to reach
the senior ranks. "(Defense Minister) Tantawi looks like a
bureaucrat," he joked. The AUC professor described the
mid-level officer corps as generally disgruntled
, and said
that one can hear mid-level officers at MOD clubs around
Cairo openly expressing disdain for Tantawi. These officers
refer to Tantawi as "Mubarak's poodle," he said, and complain
that "this incompetent Defense Minister" who reached his
position only because of unwavering loyalty to Mubarak is
"running the military into the ground." He opined that a
culture of blind obedience pervades the MOD where the sole
criteria for promotion is loyalty, and that the MOD
leadership does not hesitate to fire officers it perceives as
being "too competent" and who therefore potentially pose a
threat to the regime.

¶4. (C) A XXXXXXXXXXXX analyst with an academic
background at the XXXXXXXXXXXX believes that
the government's increasing opposition to dialogue with
academia is symptomatic of its social and intellectual
decline. He said that up until 6 years ago, the MOD had

assigned a military representative to the XXXXXXXXXXXX to
participate in academic discussions; subsequently, the MOD
jailed the representative because his views were becoming too
independent, and has not sent a replacement to the center.
He claimed that Tantawi has become increasingly intolerant of
intellectual freedom and in 2006 refused to allow the
XXXXXXXXXXXX to pursue a research project with the XXXXXXXXXXXX on military reform in XXXXXXXXXXXX and
XXXXXXXXXXXX. In his view, Tantawi has made clear that the
military is "off-limits" as a subject for academic research,
and that the MOD will not tolerate independent thought within
its own ranks.

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...But Still Retaining Economic Clout For Now
---------------------------------------------

¶5. (C) Although analysts see a small number of regime and
business elites exercising increasing political and economic
control over the country, they acknowledge the military's
strong influence in Egypt's economy. A senior XXXXXXXXXXXX professor opined that the regime gives the
six businessmen in the cabinet carte blanche to pursue
commercial activities, but that the defense minister can put
a hold on any contract for "security concerns." Contacts
told us that military-owned companies, often run by retired
generals, are particularly active in the water, olive oil,
cement, construction, hotel and gasoline industries. The
senior XXXXXXXXXXXX professor pointed out that military
companies built the modern road to the Ain Souknah Red Sea
resorts 90 minutes from Cairo and Cairo University's new
annex. He noted the large amounts of land owned by the
military in the Nile Delta and on the Red Sea coast,
speculating that such property is a "fringe benefit" in
exchange for the military ensuring regime stability and
security. (Comment: We see the military's role in the
economy as a force that generally stifles free market reform
by increasing direct government involvement in the markets.
End comment.)

¶6. (C) Most analysts agreed that the military views the GOE's
privatization efforts as a threat to its economic position,
and therefore generally opposes economic reforms. The senior
XXXXXXXXXXXX professor speculated that privatization has
forced military-owned companies to improve the quality of
their work, specifically in the hotel industry, to compete
with private firms and attract critical foreign investment.
One of the XXXXXXXXXXXX analysts
predicted that the growing power of the economic elite at the
military's expense is inevitable as economic necessity drives
the government to maintain its economic reform policies in
order to attract foreign direct investment (FDI). He said
that FDI is essential to the government's plans to maintain
economic growth and political stability.

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Influence in the Bureaucracy and Civil Society
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¶7. (C) The senior XXXXXXXXXXXX professor pointed to a
"concerted effort" from the "top of the regime" to penetrate
the civilian bureaucracy with retired senior military
officers. He highlighted retired officers filling top
civilian jobs, such as governors, and chief of staff
positions and other senior slots at the Information,
Transportation and Education ministries. Other contacts
noted their anecdotal experience with military officers
running civil society organizations and charities. The
senior AUC political science professor remarked that a
literacy campaign in his neighborhood recently hired a
retired military officer to run its operations. He told us
that thet XXXXXXXXXXXX where his XXXXXXXXXXXX volunteers
recently hired a retired general as its director, believing
that the general's competence, experience with bureaucracies,
and network of colleagues and contacts in the ministries
would serve the charity well.

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The Military and Succession
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¶8. (C) Contacts agree that presidential son Gamal Mubarak's
power base is centered in the business community, not with
the military. The senior XXXXXXXXXXXX
professor said officers told him recently that the military

does not support Gamal and if Mubarak died in office, the
military would seize power rather than allow Gamal to succeed
his father
. However, analysts agreed that the military would
allow Gamal to take power through an election if President
Mubarak blessed the process and effectively gave Gamal the
reigns of power. The XXXXXXXXXXXX professor
opined that after Gamal became active in the NDP in 2002, the
regime empowered the reformers in the 2004 cabinet to begin
privatization efforts that buttressed the wealthy businessmen
close to Gamal. In his estimation, the regime's goal is to
create a business-centered power base for Gamal in the NDP to
compensate for his lack of military credentials. A necessary
corollary to this strategy, he claimed, was for the regime to
weaken the military's economic and political power so that it
cannot block Gamal's path to the presidency
.

¶9. (S) Comment: The military still remains a potent
political and economic force. Its recent interventions,
using the MOD's considerable resources, to produce bread to
meet shortages in March and extinguish the Shoura Council
fire in August (refs A and B) demonstrate that it sometimes
can successfully step in where other government agencies
fail. The military helps to ensure regime stability and
operates a large network of businesses as it becomes a
"quasi-commercial" enterprise itself. While there are
economic and political tensions between the business elite
and the military, the overall relationship between the two
still appears to be cooperative, rather than adversarial.
The military's loss of some prestige is partly due to the
disappearance of an imminent, external military threat
following the 1979 Camp David Accords. The regime, aware of
the critical role the MOD can play in presidential
succession, may well be trying to co-opt the military through
patronage into accepting Gamal's path to the presidency. We
agree with the analysis that senior military officers would
support Gamal if Mubarak resigned and installed him in the
presidency, as it is difficult to imagine opposition from
these officers who depend on the president and defense
minister for their jobs and material perks. In a messier
succession scenario, however, it becomes more difficult to
predict the military's actions.
While mid-level officers do
not necessarily share their superiors' fealty to the regime,
the military's built-in firewalls and communication breaks
make it unlikely that these officers could independently
install a new leader.
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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby vanlose kid » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:21 am

S E C R E T SECTION 01 OF 02 CAIRO 000974

SIPDIS

SIPDIS

NSC FOR WATERS

E.O. 12958: DECL: 04/03/2047
TAGS: PGOV PREL KDEM PHUM EG
SUBJECT: XXXXXXXXXXXX MP ON PRESIDENTIAL SUCCESSION

REF: A. 2006 CAIRO 4612
¶B. 2006 CAIRO 6600

Classified By: Minister-Counselor for Economic and Political Affairs,
William R. Stewart, for reasons 1.4 (b) and (d).

¶1. (C) Summary: In a recent meeting with poloff, XXXXXXXXXXXX
parliamentarian XXXXXXXXXXXX discussed presidential son Gamal Mubarak's
possible succession of his father, and opined that Gamal
increasingly views Minister of Defense Mohamed Hussein
Tantawi
and EGIS head Omar Suleiman as a threat to his
presidential ambitions. XXXXXXXXXXXX alleged that Tantawi recently
told him, in confidence, of his deepening frustration with
Gamal.
End summary.

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Re: Live: Al Jazeera coverage of Egypt’s growing revolution

Postby Peachtree Pam » Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:58 am

Al Jazeera told to shut down in Egypt, signal cut


http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/01/ ... M420110130

Sun Jan 30, 2011 7:20am EST

CAIRO/KUWAIT (Reuters) - Qatar-based satellite channel Al Jazeera was ordered by Egypt's information ministry on Sunday to shut down its operations in the country, and later in the day its signal to some parts of the Middle East was cut.

Tens of thousands of people have taken to the streets in Egypt demanding an end to President Hosni Mubarak's authoritarian 30-year rule, in protests that have sent shockwaves through the Arab world.

The news channel, which says it can reach 220 million households in more than 100 countries, said in a message on its broadcast that Egypt's satellite Nilesat had cut off its broadcasting signal.

That effectively took Al Jazeera off the air in some parts of the Arab world, but other signals were still available.

"Dear viewers, Al Jazeera's signal has been cut off on Nilesat," it broadcast via a signal visible in Kuwait, and gave satellite frequencies on which the channel was still available.

Earlier, Egyptian authorities ordered it to stop operations in Egypt, though correspondents were still reporting news by telephone.

"The Information Minister ordered ... suspension of operations of Al Jazeera, cancelling of its licenses and withdrawing accreditation to all its staff as of today," a statement on Egypt's official Mena news agency said.

Launched in Doha, Qatar, in 1996, Al Jazeera has more than 400 reporters in over 60 countries, according to its website.
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