Huge explosion in Oslo

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:42 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:[quote="8bitagent"
To me it genuinely felt like, even synchromystically, that the Giffords shooting/Safeway massacre on Jan 8th kind of jumpstarted the several month spate of mass revolution/Arab unrest, new wars,


Yeah, cept they had started by then, the Tunisian thing was inspired by a Tunisian burning himself to death in mid December, and the attacks on Coptic Churches had already been - leading to Egyptians of all backgrounds acting as Human Shields when the copts celebrated Christmas.

This goes back before that, wikileaks last year and the way the anons got into everything for example.

There is stuff going on, but every 21 or 22 years for ever or ages this sort of upheaval begins.

2010/11

1989/90

1967/68

1945/46

Dunno about 1923/24 tho, I spose hyperinflation started in germany, and the Chinese got moving but I dunno. Seems to stop with the end of ww2.[/quote]

Good call. Yeah that Assange/Wikileaks thing was massive news late last year. This whole past 12 months has more than more been the hyping of cyber attacks as well. I remember saying in the early 1990's when I was in high school that it felt like 1989 was one of the biggest major shifts since studying the late 1960's. 1989 through 1991...91' the gulf war, final fall of the USSR, etc. Even the Rodney King thing mirrored the racial tensions a bit from that time.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby justdrew » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:54 am

Joe Hillshoist wrote:
8bitagent wrote:To me it genuinely felt like, even synchromystically, that the Giffords shooting/Safeway massacre on Jan 8th kind of jumpstarted the several month spate of mass revolution/Arab unrest, new wars,


Yeah, cept they had started by then, the Tunisian thing was inspired by a Tunisian burning himself to death in mid December, and the attacks on Coptic Churches had already been - leading to Egyptians of all backgrounds acting as Human Shields when the copts celebrated Christmas.

This goes back before that, wikileaks last year and the way the anons got into everything for example.

There is stuff going on, but every 21 or 22 years for ever or ages this sort of upheaval begins.

2010/11

1989/90

1967/68

1945/46

Dunno about 1923/24 tho, I spose hyperinflation started in germany, and the Chinese got moving but I dunno. Seems to stop with the end of ww2.


20s? the Roaring 20s. totally. before that, the original Fin de siècle

it all goes toward ensuring generational/cultural demarcation lines. A component of the grande divide and rule strategy. ever since the fall of overtly powerful monarchies perhaps?

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Nordic » Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:57 am

i would say the masonic apron pic is quite a bit more recent. he looks way older in it than he does in the "headshot" pics.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby justdrew » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:01 am

Nordic wrote:i would say the masonic apron pic is quite a bit more recent. he looks way older in it than he does in the "headshot" pics.


he looks like a blonde david duchovny in those glamor shots
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby elfismiles » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:02 am


What the Norway Attack Could Mean for Europe
July 22, 2011


At least 17 people have died and more have been injured in an explosion in downtown Oslo and a shooting at a Labor Party youth camp outside the Norwegian capital. Norwegian police arrested the shooter at the camp and believe he is connected with the explosion, though others could be involved.

The significance of the events in Norway for the rest of Europe will depend largely on who is responsible, and the identity of the culprits is still unclear. However, STRATFOR can extrapolate the possible consequences of the attacks based on several scenarios.

The first scenario is that grassroots Islamist militants based in Norway are behind these seemingly connected attacks. Grassroots jihadist groups are already assumed to exist across Europe, and this assumption — along with previous attacks — has bolstered far-right political parties' popularity across the Continent. Many center-right politicians have also begun raising anti-immigrant policy issues in order to distract from the ongoing economic austerity measures brought about by the European economic crisis. If grassroots Islamist militants are found to be the culprits in Norway, it will simply reinforce the current European political trend that favors the far right. That said, some far-right parties, particularly in Northern Europe, could get a popularity boost sufficient to push them into the political mainstream, and possibly into government.

If an individual, grassroots or organized domestic group with far-right or neo-Nazi leanings perpetrated the attack, the significance for the rest of Europe will not be large. It could lead to a temporary loss of popularity for the far right, but long-term repercussions for the far right are unlikely since these parties have begun tempering their platforms in order to attract a wider constituency.

There is also the possibility that the attacks are the work of a skilled but disturbed individual with grievances against the Labor Party. This possibility would have few long-ranging repercussions beyond a reworking of domestic security procedures in Norway.

Another scenario is that the attack was carried out by an international group which may have entered the country some time ago. Regardless of the time frame, if the culprits crossed a border to get into Norway, other European countries will feel very vulnerable; Norway is Europe's northern terminus, and if international militants can get to Norway, they can get to anywhere in Europe. This vulnerability could severely damage the Schengen Agreement, once a symbolic pillar of Europe's unity, which has been under attack in the last several months. The agreement allows visa-free travel between the 25 countries in the Schengen Area (most of which are EU members, but the Schengen Area does include some non-EU members like Norway and Switzerland). The agreement came under pressure when Italy threatened to allow migrants fleeing the Libyan conflict and Tunisian political unrest to gain temporary resident status in order to cross into France. It was Rome's way of forcing the rest of Europe to help it with the influx of migrants. The solution proposed by France and Italy was to essentially establish temporary borders "under very exceptional circumstances." Later, Denmark reimposed border controls, supposedly due to an increase in cross-border crime.

The attack in Norway, if it involved cross-border movements, could therefore damage or even end the Schengen Agreement. Other European countries, particularly those where the far right is strong or where center-right parties have adopted an anti-immigrant message, could push for further amendments to the pact.

A transnational militant plot against a European country in the contemporary context could also be significant for European defense policy. When the 2004 Madrid attack and 2005 London attack happened, many in Europe argued that the attacks were a result of European governments' support for U.S. military operations in the Middle East. This is no longer really the case for Europe, although European forces are still in Afghanistan. It is much more difficult to blame Europe's alliance with the United States for this attack. As such, Europe could very well be motivated to take ongoing efforts to increase European defense coordination seriously. Current efforts are being led by Poland, which is doing so mainly because it wants to increase security against Russia's resurgence, not because of global militancy. The problem with Warsaw's plan is that it has little genuine support in Western Europe, other than France. An attack on Norway could, however, provide the kind of impetus necessary for Europe to feel threatened by global events.

The last scenario is that the attack is linked to Norway's involvement in the campaign in Libya. If the Libyan government is somehow connected to the bombing and/or shooting, the rest of Europe will rally behind Norway and increase their efforts in Libya. This scenario would essentially close off the opening in negotiations prompted by a recent move by Paris and other European governments saying they would be open to Moammar Gadhafi's remaining in Libya.

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby Pickle Pizza » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:29 am

8bitagent wrote:Also, cptmarginal: holy crap...what episode of Twin Peaks is that from? That is one of the most unsettling vibed things Ive ever seen in a movie or tv show. Lynch sure is the master of cryptic unease along with Kubrick.


Season 2 Episode 7.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:31 am

cptmarginal wrote:
AhabsOtherLeg wrote:
Harvey wrote:Breaking news: gunmen dressed as police shooting at children at a summer camp outside Oslo.


This is terrible. Sounds like something from the Brabant Massacres era.





Seems so. It probably never stopped.

Kauhajoki, Jokela, Winninenden. Dendermonde, Dutroux, Dunblane. Now Utoya.

Slaughter of the innocents.

Thanks for all the Lodge info, it's going to take me a while to plough through it though.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:41 am

conservative anti-Islamist Freemason nationalist

A childhood friend of Breivik says to VG Nett that he should have been right-wing in the late 20's, and posted a series of controversial opinions on Facebook. ...

In online debates marks Anders Behring Breivik as well read, and one with strong opinions about Norwegian politics. He promotes a very conservative opinions, which he also called nationalist. He expresses himself strongly opposed to multiculturalism - that cultural differences can live together in a community.

Breivik has had many posts on the site Document.no, an Islam-critical site that publishes news and commentary.

In one of the posts he states that politics today no longer revolves around socialism against capitalism, but that the fight is between nationalism and internationalism. He expressed clear support for the nationalist mindset.

Anders Breivik Behring has also commented on the Swedish news articles, where he makes it clear that he believes the media have failed by not being "NOK" Islam-critical. ...

32-year-old is among other things, registered as a member of Oslo gun club and the Masonic Lodge.

Among other interests he expresses his admiration for Winston Churcill, classical music and Max Manus.

The 32-year-old man has been active in video games and has been involved in the online game World of Warcraft. In connection with this game, he posted a picture of a pistolløp.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:41 am

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Will McCants, former US State Department Adviser on countering violent extremism, said: "We've never seen anything like this. A right-wing extremist bombs the nerve-centre of his home nation and then massacres dozens of his fellow citizens miles away.

"I will be shocked it he pulled it off alone. But if he did, it not only raises concerns about the rise of right-wing violence in Europe but also the rise of the super-empowered lone wolf."
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby cptmarginal » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:36 am

Thanks for all the Lodge info, it's going to take me a while to plough through it though.


I just wanted to put it out there, it seemed interesting that such a list of members was available. I'm sure a lot of people in Norway are going through it as we speak. As for the actual context or significance of him being a Freemason, I'll leave that up to speculation and wait for more info. I'm sure conspiracy message boards worldwide are just lapping this up, taking it as evidence of the international Freemason conspiracy. But just on the face of it there is the fascinating possibility that he was socially or fraternally involved in the milieu of people that just got their shit blown up (while they were conveniently not there.)

Frankly, the idea that he orchestrated both the horrific bombing and the demonic commando raid strikes me as very unlikely. Who knows? I'm interested to see how this develops, what the supposed motive will be.

"There were reports of his links with right-wing extremism" - "He expressed clear support for the nationalist mindset"

It just looks like another Gladio-style situation right off the bat. Like there's an officially-sanctioned (& internationally supported) secret underground network which genuinely exists to make preparations for defense and to try catching "terrorists" - but which also sustains a hidden fascist group within that carries out the attacks itself for sinister motives. During the Gladio scandals, the few people who were the public face of the arms-cache and terrorism charges were almost always described as being linked to a "right-wing underground" or some kind of black market operation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio#Norway

"Secret Anti-Communist Network Exposed in Norway in 1978". Associated Press. 1990-11-14.

Of course we need to learn a lot more; surely it's understandable that alarm bells would be ringing in my head with an incident as fucked up as this one.

(I see that some conspiracy & also noxious right-winger sites are already saying that it was some kind of CFR-Gladio lulzfest, so I'll just shut up now)
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Postby wintler2 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 3:40 am

I agree, cptmarginal. What exaclty links the island shooter and the bomb? It seems very improbable to me that perpetrator would plant/set off bomb and then leave the scene, drive for an hour, jump into a boat, all in order to shoot at kids. Why not stick around and shoot at the cops & medics coming to bomb site?

If perpetrator was organised enough to source the bomb ingredients and build & plant it, and know that the political party camp was on, they would have also known that nobody much was going to be home/around in central Oslo. Why not set it off on a day earlier, kill many more? It doesn't add up.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:01 am

cptmarginal wrote:
Thanks for all the Lodge info, it's going to take me a while to plough through it though.


I just wanted to put it out there, it seemed interesting that such a list of members was available. I'm sure a lot of people in Norway are going through it as we speak. As for the actual context or significance of him being a Freemason, I'll leave that up to speculation and wait for more info. I'm sure conspiracy message boards worldwide are just lapping this up, taking it as evidence of the international Freemason conspiracy. But just on the face of it there is the fascinating possibility that he was socially or fraternally involved in the milieu of people that just got their shit blown up (while they were conveniently not there.)


No worries, I'm not a frothing Mason-hunter, I'm only interested in it in the same way you are, and because it points to a confused fraternal-egalitarian-outgoing-social mindset competing against a hierachical-authoritarian-structured-interaction one, which must cause frictions. Plus the whole P2 thing, obviously.
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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby utopiate » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:24 am

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Re: Huge explosion in Oslo

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Jul 23, 2011 4:25 am

Death toll at 91(84 for island, 7 for blast) They say more kids could be dead from drowning or hidden somewhere else on the island. I've definitely never heard of anything like this. I remember it seemed like always on an "11th" Algeria's capital got rocked with massive OKC styled bombings. And of course Pakistan gets rocked often by Taliban biting the ISI that feeds them. I'm sure we'll be learning a mountain of
"wtf" type facts and info this weekend. Even though there was that terror blast drill a couple days ago, I have a hard time believing this is some inside job as AJ would conclude. If anything if it's a conspiracy, it may be one to send a message to Norway.

I don't know if this guy was an out and out "neo Nazi", I mean he lists Churchill as his hero and not Hitler. Hobby wise he seems like many people I run with(nerd, avid gamer, reader, electronic music)
He does look a bit older in the Masonic pic versus his head shots. Usually news items don't really affect me, I simply glance through em briefly and move on...but for some reason this news story has put me in a really weird mood/space. Largely because of how young most the victims were, but just the whole scope of it and the profile emerging of who this guy is. In America, most right wing violence is small and not very well thought out...IRS building plane attack, Pentagon shooting attempt, holocaust museum shooting, etc in the last couple years. But just the pure terror on that tiny island of kids....my God. Why would a nationalist who hates immigrants target and kill his own people? Too bad Goro doesn't update much anymore, curious what his take on all this madness is.

82_28 mentioned the final flight of the space shuttle program and the official end as of the other day, more syncs adding up of something. It still amazes me the syncs between Giffords shooting and NASA/next to last shuttle flight. Lately there's been an intense focus on sea creatures and sea monsters, from reports to a number of newly aired/soon to air nat geo/discovery specials. I remember several years ago Oslo scientists had discovered a previously unknown massive sea monster creature from prehistoric times.

EDIT: Apparently he's also a fan of anti-Nazi World War II hero Max Manus. The guns allegedly used were registered in his name, and police believe his large farm was an excuse to get large quantities of fertilizer.

But WHY carry it out when hardly anyone would be there? Surely someone with foresight to plan such a largescale attack over a long period of time would know his own damn country's holidays?
As someone said, why didn't 9/11 happen a wee bit later when countless more woulda been in those buildings?
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