Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:48 pm

I'm on a mission at the moment so i'll respond to posts later.

Part 3

the overall tone of this article seems to be "why can't we all just be commies again".

A former student of Vice-Admiral Andrew K. Cebrowski, former director of the Office of Transformations in the US Department of Defense, Barnett’s work focuses on integrating Cebrowski’s concepts of Network Centred Warfare, Colonel Boyd’s OODA loop theory, and Lind’s Fourth Generation Warfare, by ‘simultaneously seeking to relate their yin-and-yang interplay to the larger economic reality of globalization’s emergence as the dominant characteristic of today’s strategic environment’.


Cool buzzwords.

He mentions OODA loops once. probably wouldn't know an OODA loop if it bit him on the arse.

OK this (me wanking on about some prat in France) started as a critique of Gearheads concern for refos but its morphed into a more Fisky thing.

Talks about Barnett but gets the 5 flows of globalisation wrong and fails to link between the facts he presents and the conclusions he draws, although to be fair that isn't unique to this article alone.

The former Pentagon general has developed the theory of the ‘Five Flows of Globalisation’ — five flows which must come about if US Zionist imperialism is to dominate the world. These involve the free flow of money, security, food, energy and people. The ‘free flows’ theory means breaking down nation-state structures, thus freeing up resources for pillage by US multinational corporations.


Are they US or multinational corporations? They can't be both ultimately its one or the other. Free flow means breaking down borders sure, but not in the sense that the Euro refo crisis is a free flow of populations. People are sposed to be free to travel in search of better or more appropriate economic opportunities, whereas primarily the people "flooding" into Europe are doing so to escape violence. if free flow of info is such a good thing why are restrictive IP clauses such a feature of FTAs and multinational TAs?

The 5 flows are sposed to be goods, services, capital, people and information. This is not what the US, Israel or any other neo colonialist nation state wants. technically those 5 flows could be described as 3 - freight/services, people and info. This sort of thing is minor but if Gearhead was serious about anything polemicing he would be more concerned with accuracy.

Quotes "population bulges" then links to the Gates of Vienna.

From 1900 to 2000 the population of the Muslim World has grown from 150 million to 1,200 million, an increase of 800 percent. He argues that large families tend to produce ‘superfluous’ sons, who, unable to find work at home, emigrate.


Gets facts wrong and out of context. from 1900 to 2000 the population of the Muslim world increased from 200 million to 1,188 million, so actually less than 600%, and thats against an increase in the world population of 4 to 500%. Ignores declines of Muslim growth rates in the largest populations of Muslim countries.

Surely this sort of sensationalism promotes Islamophobia.

The youth bulge means boom time for imperialism’s merchants of death, who are harnessing youthful anger and hatred for the fomentation of proxy wars against geopolitical enemies. Heinsohn predicted that Europe would be overwhelmed with Southern Hemisphere youths by 2015.


Well that second bit didn't happen did it.

Heinsohn notes that Europe’s immigration policy contrasts markedly with that of Canada, Australia and New Zealand. In Europe, there are no requirements that immigrants possess the qualifications needed by European economies, whereas in Canada and Australia those with the highest skills are given preference. The result of these policies is that 98 percent of immigrants in Canada have higher qualifications than the native population, whereas in Europe only 10 percent have higher qualifications. At the same time, the percentage of highly qualified Europeans leaving the continent for the Anglophone world is rising steadily every year. In this sense one can understand the logic behind Anglo-Saxon imperialism of flooding Europe with uneducated immigrants, while simultaneously siphoning off the continent’s brains and skills, thus ensuring Anglo-American/Zionist global hegemony. It is the ability to take into account these complex demographic realities which constitutes the importance of Thomas P.M. Barnett’s grand strategy of US globalisation.


Immigration policies and refugee movements are different things. they may sometimes intersect but they aren't the same. People are leaving Europe for better opportunities elsewhere. Are they just going to the "anglophone world" or to China, Singapone, Indo and other places where they have the opportunity to make heaps of "cash" and see the current "cutting edge" of human culture. Australia's immigration policy is disgusting and we deter refos and asylum seekers by locking them in concentration camps. This includes children. Despite the fact that some of those chldren will certainly be sexually and physically abused in those camps while nearly all of them will self harm or attempt suicide. This is called a "deterrent to a dangerous sea voyage".

What we are witnessing here is a covert war being waged by the Anglo-Saxon Zionist elite against the German Federal Republic. The low-intensity war is using people as weapons to create conditions of social chaos in order to prevent Berlin’s inevitable rapprochement with Moscow. The migrants cannot possibly integrate in German society if the German economy does inot integrate with Eurasia, as Germany will have no viable market for its exports.


Germany's main export markets are western Europe, US and china but not necessarily in that order. Germany doesn't need a rapprochment with Moscow to market its stuff. it markets to 200 countries around the world and gets premium prices for its products. the last sentence has taken leave of logic. What does it mean?

“There are now in the West only two movements of radical protest that claim to be ‘internationalist’: the antiglobalization movement and radical Islam. For a rebel, to convert is to find a cause”

Both of these movements, that of ‘human rights’ and ‘jihad’, represent petty bourgeois objections to the global order, but as they do not have a scientific analysis of the capitalist mode of production, they cannot possibly change that order.


Woo hoo - Commies!!! plus - the yoof bulge is really just a petty boushie objection to capitalism.

How does Vandana Shiva* fit that narrative Gearhead? Oh what - she is associated with an NGO or two. Shiva actually helped prevent the use of IP and patents to further corporate neo colonialisation. And of course Muslim Youth** wanting to go to war against the west because of 50 to 100 years of western fuckery is just a petty boushy whinge.

* I'm not saying she should be free of criticism either. i still don't have a firm opinion on whether Golden Rice is a good or bad thing but am tending to come down in support of it.

** Radical islam may be co opted but that doesn't mean the motivations of young people who are angry at injustice are wrong.

He mentions Gene Sharp and the Egyptian revolution.

Remember AliceK predicting the revolution here, in the years leading up to 2011. I do. Whatever her attitude now at the time she was strident in her condemnation of Egypt under Mubarak and she repeatedly said the regime was so brutal and unreasonable that it would simply take one straw to break the camels back. When the cops killed Khaled Saeed she specifically mentioned that might be the straw.

To lay all that potential unrest at the hands of foreign powers is wrong. Foreign powers are useless without massive dissatisfaction - without people seeing that their government no longer has legitimacy. No population overthrows a government they trust.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 10:50 pm

This is depressing reading. He has a noise to signal ratio that's higher than Bubbleman at a full melt dab party.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:23 pm

tapitsbo » 01 Mar 2016 11:06 wrote:Do you consider opposition to or criticism of states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia or organizations like IS and Al-Qaeda Islamophobic? I don't think it's inaccurate to accuse these entities of being involved in aggressive imperialism or colonialism. I realize this is somewhat separate from your comments here, I'm just curious.

As best as I can see, nobody here is interested in making you "give a shit about" problems in europe or anywhere else. For my part, it's very interesting to hear other viewpoints on the situation.


Criticism of some Islamic states or "islamist' groups isn't Islamophobia. A lot of it is legitimate. I see Islamophobia as a making mileage off the fear that all Islam is ultimately just Saudi Arabia, or more to the point ISIS. (there are real questions as to how islamic either of those things are apparently but its not really for me to say. I'm not a Muslim so i don't think I can comment accurately.)

Comments like "Why don't "moderate" Muslims ever criticise terrorists or ISIS," (when anyone who cares to make the slightest effort will notice "moderate" Muslims are always criticising those things and saying they don't represent moderate Islam or Islam at all.) The idea of "Creeping Sharia" and the evils of Halal certification. Those things are what i view as "Islamophobia". Anti islamic bigotry is probably a better term.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:34 pm

Searcher08 » 01 Mar 2016 02:17 wrote:
John Pilger on the international politics of bollocks
Supporters of the new US president refuse to admit that the "man of change" is, in fact, changing the truth.

http://www.newstatesman.com/north-america/2009/02/obama-pilger-israel-gaza

Growing up in an Antipodean society proud of its rich variety of expletives, I never heard the word bollocks. It was only on arrival in England that I understood its magisterial power.


I blame the sex pistols for bringing us that particular word. Of course Pilger had pissed off long before then in search of some sort of "culture" or something. (Don't get me wrong. He had to go, I would have in his position and so would anyone with half a brain or more. Australia, especially in the early 60s was way to small and provincial for someone with his ability to look at the world.)

i hoped obama would do something worthwhile. Sucks to be so wrong sometimes.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby tapitsbo » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:31 am

Joe Hillshoist » Mon Feb 29, 2016 11:23 pm wrote:
tapitsbo » 01 Mar 2016 11:06 wrote:Do you consider opposition to or criticism of states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia or organizations like IS and Al-Qaeda Islamophobic? I don't think it's inaccurate to accuse these entities of being involved in aggressive imperialism or colonialism. I realize this is somewhat separate from your comments here, I'm just curious.

As best as I can see, nobody here is interested in making you "give a shit about" problems in europe or anywhere else. For my part, it's very interesting to hear other viewpoints on the situation.


Criticism of some Islamic states or "islamist' groups isn't Islamophobia. A lot of it is legitimate. I see Islamophobia as a making mileage off the fear that all Islam is ultimately just Saudi Arabia, or more to the point ISIS. (there are real questions as to how islamic either of those things are apparently but its not really for me to say. I'm not a Muslim so i don't think I can comment accurately.)

Comments like "Why don't "moderate" Muslims ever criticise terrorists or ISIS," (when anyone who cares to make the slightest effort will notice "moderate" Muslims are always criticising those things and saying they don't represent moderate Islam or Islam at all.) The idea of "Creeping Sharia" and the evils of Halal certification. Those things are what i view as "Islamophobia". Anti islamic bigotry is probably a better term.


See, this is truly going somewhere interesting. I have indeed noted that Muslims tend to mostly be critical of so-called Islamist groups, definitely here in Canada this is true. I hear in Europe the Islamists have a greater following.

A recent trope of propaganda in the West however is to conflate all Islamic societies as a way of justifying the elites' collaboration with Islamists. You see this in the war in Syria, which I understand is very complicated, but precisely this complicated aspect of it seems to have become a taboo as far as discussion is concerned, because of the Anglo-American and Zionist collaboration with Al-Qaeda, IS, Saudi Arabia, etc. (I realize there is a long history here.) I understand that this situation is much more complicated than for example propaganda from BRICS countries might portray, as well, but the thought-stopping that takes place around these subjects is interesting, at least.

In less dramatic situations you have the cognitive dissonance of secular leftists literally defending parallel Islamist sources of authority in the West (this is not all that common but it has happened with defenses of sharia in places like Ontario, or "critical theory" apologists for IS), with the flip side of propaganda which accuses countries like Syria and Iran of "jihadi" aggression (which as best I can tell is rather misleading.)

To move away from Islam for a moment, it's a bit reminiscent of how many secular North Americans find something like Mormonism, which I think it is fair to say has its own theocratic tendencies, "crazy" yet live in a symbiotic relationship with it since such religious sects are almost necessary to maintain the current system, providing a certain sort of believer that props up government and other institutions.

Of course we can always yawn and go "realpolitik", but others might be interested in the complex justifications and narratives at play in these situations.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby FourthBase » Tue Mar 01, 2016 5:36 am

Joe Hillshoist » 29 Feb 2016 22:23 wrote:
tapitsbo » 01 Mar 2016 11:06 wrote:Do you consider opposition to or criticism of states like Qatar and Saudi Arabia or organizations like IS and Al-Qaeda Islamophobic? I don't think it's inaccurate to accuse these entities of being involved in aggressive imperialism or colonialism. I realize this is somewhat separate from your comments here, I'm just curious.

As best as I can see, nobody here is interested in making you "give a shit about" problems in europe or anywhere else. For my part, it's very interesting to hear other viewpoints on the situation.


Criticism of some Islamic states or "islamist' groups isn't Islamophobia. A lot of it is legitimate. I see Islamophobia as a making mileage off the fear that all Islam is ultimately just Saudi Arabia, or more to the point ISIS.


Well, uh, what percentage of the varieties of forms of Islam subscribed to diligently at least, or worse fanatically, by what percentage of the over one billion Muslim humans beings in the world actually is Saudi Arabia in the sense of being the Wahhabism/Salafism or is as just as malicious anyway and antithetical to modern human decency?


(there are real questions as to how islamic either of those things are apparently but its not really for me to say. I'm not a Muslim so i don't think I can comment accurately.)


This is the leftist version of jesuit loopholing to escape having to pronounce full normative judgment on any ideological enemies-of-enemies and model anti-imperialist victims (which they are only as long as you completely mute any and all reasonable alarm at Islamic empire-aspirations and its own history of brutal transcontinental conquests, a millennium's worth of it, evil resource- and territory-based greed no less immoral, no less oppressive). This is, to put a bow on this unpacking/repacking, your talmudic (lol) endlessly-self-justifying excuses to pull punches against yourselves, all your real punches always only ever saved for the Elite (and so according to your unfalsifiable paradigm, by definition also only ever) Right Wing, who are what you really feel to be the closest synonym for TPTB and so their doubleplusungoodness is predetermined) and even when you punch "up" at the center and right and make gestures of infighting across your left at yourselves, it's only ever after pinning a overriding right-wing tail on the donkey, you know, No True Leftist, anyone who sucks (i.e., has the gall to have core disagreements with your most sacrosanct premises) is compromised-captured-choreographed and never really representing The Cause.

You, in general, this board, what used to be "we" to me, too, are no different than any other tribal hierarchical hivemind. Leftists are never evil here. Are they, ever? Do you have a jesuitical trick to excluding most of the data, rigging the priors? Is this place a loosely-run online cult? If not, how far from being one is it? And you know well know or ought to know well that I'm not referring to the paranormal, the parapolitical, or the radical. I haven't suddenly become a damned fool who denies taboo para-realities, who exists to exculpate the right, or debunk unofficial narratives. Fuck that. But. Leftist allies are never ultimately at fault, here. Are they? Leftists and any classes anointed as perma-victims of the masters of the wicked capitalist universe hold no bad power. Leftist power-brokerage on the world stage, in any real sense that might force you to grapple with cognitive dissonance, does not ever really exist. Does it? Left is too perpetually power-broke to matter. Has to be that way, doesn't it. Because otherwise, fuck, god forbid, you and your binkie ideology might bear some responsibility for a great share of the world's evil. Leftists have no unity, anyway, though, it's always a motley disjointed ragtag gang of underdog losers. Oh? Eh. Be real. Powerlessness is a political posture. Et cetera.

It's inconceivable to most of you reading this that the catastrophic downsides of the migrant/refugee megawaves are the consequence of a leftist masterplan. Cui bono? Never the left! "Leftist masterplan" is a comical oxymoron! You're innocents! Jaded babes in the dark, rough woods of a sick world ruled by madmen who never represent your side. Bullshit. Your comrades may very well possess a huge, coordinated amount of administrative power in the world, have control of a good portion of the globe's puppet strings which may not be as monopolized by a sociopathic elite of affluent fascists, not the kind you think as the only kind that exist. No, your kind if people, too. How does the flood of humanity banging on the walls of Fortress Europe not also correspond perfectly with the dominant principles and political strategies of the anticapitalist scene? There is no good, non-riotously-biased and non-epistemically-closed (i.e., no commie rag...or neo-commie mag as it may be now...no pro-intifada publications) evidence of any Zionists plotting a weaponized refugee tsunami. There are, however, EDM pop songs celebrating it written by street-preaching leftists and there are philosophical defenses of it in pro-revolution academic journals and literary laments of it not being a reality yet in novels and poems which are 90-95% written by bien pensant pro-left artists and left-dominated international law advocacy to legalize it and all sorts of protest-movement agit-prop demanding it. This shit could just as easily have the left's approving, counter-hegemonic thumbprints all over it, too. It's not just corporate masterminds who have influence over the global chessboard.

It's not just Muslims who have agency which swaths of left and the Muslim world itself are ideologically desperate to wish away, in order to preserve the lopsidedness of utilizable victimhood. Who, hey, wouldn't ya know it, who also sit atop a smaller, weaker, but still vast network of state power and deep state secret power, this supposedly power-deprived Muslim contingent, who also have the capacity to form and commit to horrible antidemocratic ideas and the desire to force others to comply -- it's also your darling wannabe (and more importantly, wanna-forever-stay) scrappy underdog left, too. World rulers, podiums and lecterns and center seats at the most sacred tables of power. So, imagine a world where there truly are competing sociopathic elites, one side of which is your side. The other evil planners want to exploit a situation of their own making for their own benefit at the same time, but, tell me: How is the Coercive Engineered Migrant problem not in line with some revolutionary scenarios of future success where capitalist pirate states are overwhelmed, destabilized, and the masses inflamed and enpowered to rise up in solidarity and take the wheel, maybe after an inevitable bout of world war and megadeath, or maybe after a civilization-killing privileged-herd-culling climatic shift...a smallish price to pay to lose our chains, though, amirite? This refugee crisis is an anarchist's wet fucking dream, am I wrong? All the theatrical bitching and rote moral gesticulations to the contrary aside, tactically and strategically speaking, shouldn't leftists who grok the unfolding present be murmuring "Excellent..." like Mr. Burns? How could the preconditions for and inevitable sparks of revolution be hastened any better per the most optimistic of leftist forecasts?

Comments like "Why don't "moderate" Muslims ever criticise terrorists or ISIS," (when anyone who cares to make the slightest effort will notice "moderate" Muslims are always criticising those things and saying they don't represent moderate Islam or Islam at all.) The idea of "Creeping Sharia" and the evils of Halal certification. Those things are what i view as "Islamophobia". Anti islamic bigotry is probably a better term.


Halal, like all meat, is straight-up fucking evil. No less so because it's the diet of unprivileged mostly-brownish people. Sharia as practiced by strict Muslim governments is fucking barbaric. I'm phobic of barbarism, not Islam. I don't have conveniently responsibility-shrinking double standards for my besties/allies in the Great War for Ideological World Domination. I'm bigoted against bullshit. There is barely such a thing as a moderate Islam, and to the extent it exists, it is largely persecuted by the world of other more "authentic" Islams. Muslims are not magically less susceptible to horrific group hallucinations that just so happen to impose an order that serves an ingroup elite's agenda. They're capable of being just as awful and progress-retarding and mass-deluded and fascist as Catholics used to be, and the only reason there is such as thing as a moderate Catholic now is that the central hierarchy of Catholic power was partially-coopted by...wait for it...a puny egregore of leftists? Plus gradually being undermined like all religions by the inexorable march of modernity and growing disbelief in old, dated, dysfunctional gods. Well, not all religions. Islam is especially invulnerable to doctrinal change, despite having no unifying hierarchy. Funny that. Rather, scary-as-fuck that. Many a fat brick of fear/phobia would most certainly be shat by every fucking one of us if there were a billion-plus Catholics in the same proportions of fanatic, worshipper, moderate, and lapsed, and if driven to conform to an equivalent set of Enlightenment-skipping mandates with the same amount of demographic/cultural/militant force. Tell me how I'm wrong. It's going to be hard for you, if you're honest.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:38 am

Tell me how I'm wrong. It's going to be hard for you, if you're honest.


Sure is. What the fuck are you talking about?
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby FourthBase » Tue Mar 01, 2016 6:45 am

Joe Hillshoist » 01 Mar 2016 05:38 wrote:
Tell me how I'm wrong. It's going to be hard for you, if you're honest.


Sure is. What the fuck are you talking about?


Should be pretty clear if you read the whole thing attentively. I'm assuming you didn't. Or maybe the cognitive dissonance is deafening.
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Postby tapitsbo » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:04 am

I don't think this notice should necessarily be taken at face value but it seems at least worth considering:

Damascus, SANA-President Bashar al-Assad issued on Wednesday the legislative decree no. 8 for 2016, granting a general amnesty for military deserters inside and outside the country and the crimes included in the Military Service Law committed before 17th February 2016.

The decree grants amnesty on the full penalty for those who have deserted inside the country who are included in Article No. 100 of the Military Penalties Law issued by Legislative Decree No. 61 for 1950 and its amendments.

The decree grants amnesty on the full penalty for those who have deserted outside the country who are included in Article No. 101 of the military Penalties Law issued by Legislative Decree No. 61 for 1950 and its amendments.

This decree does not include fugitives from justice unless they turn themselves in within 30 days for those inside the country and 60 for those outside the country.


So do any of the more knowledgeable folks here figure this resembles the Sri Lankan military wiping out the LTTE? To me it looks somewhat different.
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Postby Sounder » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:40 am

Should be pretty clear if you read the whole thing attentively. I'm assuming you didn't. Or maybe the cognitive dissonance is deafening.


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tapitsbo, I read a story about an earlier amnesty arrangement, and my impression was that it was an honest attempt to bring militants back into more normal society. I hope and pray that the Syrian people recognize the confusing nature of the decisions that were made during and after the western instigated destabilization program, and are able to forgive those that made decisions that were not in the best interests of Syria.

Maybe the militants even can then find new appreciation for their homeland.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:41 am

tapitsbo » 01 Mar 2016 14:31 wrote:
See, this is truly going somewhere interesting. I have indeed noted that Muslims tend to mostly be critical of so-called Islamist groups, definitely here in Canada this is true. I hear in Europe the Islamists have a greater following.


Maybe. But young European men who have grown up since 9/11 never being accepted in their homes (ie countries of birth) are fairly easy targets? There is little point trying to understand this without realising this whole situation exists because of the consensus reality that 9/11 was exactly like the official story said and ISIS are simply an evil death cult who appeared out of a vacuum for no real reason cept you can't trust arabs - they create death cults when we offered, (gave them even,) democracy. There are a bunch of Aussie kids like that too (tho it isn't the whole story with them.) Not seen as Australian even tho they are uniquely Australian.

Now we might both agree that is frankly bullshit, but its the dominant mythology of our culture, with the possible acceptance that somehow for some reason we might bear some responsibility for ISIS. Not much tho, just a little bit.

Even with that tho most muslims in Australia don't like Fundamentalism. Young marginalised men on the other hand. well doesn't matter what your background, young marginalised men can get pretty ugly and nasty. Its a bit like that programming principle GIGO.

A recent trope of propaganda in the West however is to conflate all Islamic societies as a way of justifying the elites' collaboration with Islamists. You see this in the war in Syria, which I understand is very complicated, but precisely this complicated aspect of it seems to have become a taboo as far as discussion is concerned, because of the Anglo-American and Zionist collaboration with Al-Qaeda, IS, Saudi Arabia, etc. (I realize there is a long history here.) I understand that this situation is much more complicated than for example propaganda from BRICS countries might portray, as well, but the thought-stopping that takes place around these subjects is interesting, at least.


In Australia there is little recognition of collaboration and only a little acceptance of responsibility. just the other day on a national panel show about politics and other shite someone asked: "Why don't we copy israel. ISIS doesn't attack them cos they are scared of the Israeli response." or wtte. So consensus reality here is that ISIS is scared of Israel. Which may ultimately be true (or not). Right now their interests seem to coincide. how long that will last ... who knows. Maybe as long as ISIS exists. There is some debate about the other Al Que?da affiliated groups that appear to be fighting ISIS and Assad - are we arming turrists? Who are they? etc etc. But its basically too hard a discussion for modern Australian public discourse. There is real support for Kurdish people and has been since the before Iraq invasion of 2003.

I dunno. Seeing the unrest throughout the middle east I think the most accurate assessment is this is the end result of Sykes-Picot. That those artificially constructed boundaries are gonna tear themselves apart and release the energy that was trapped in their structure. And its going to get ugly and brutal. But I live in the bush in a backwater country. I'm about as far removed from any actual knowledge about whats happening there as anyone on earth. So what would i know.

In less dramatic situations you have the cognitive dissonance of secular leftists literally defending parallel Islamist sources of authority in the West (this is not all that common but it has happened with defenses of sharia in places like Ontario, or "critical theory" apologists for IS), with the flip side of propaganda which accuses countries like Syria and Iran of "jihadi" aggression (which as best I can tell is rather misleading.)


There is no Sharia Law in Australia, or Britain for that matter and I'd be very surprised if there is in Canada. Christian groups like the Exclusive Brethren exert a much greater (secret) influence on Australian domestic politics. Most of the leftists in Australia defend ordinary muslims from exclusion, racist abuse and even violence but have no time for extremist Muslim leader. The "Grand Mufti" (or some such thing) of Australia came out to criticise the actions of Muslims in Paris during the attacks. Murdoch hacks and right wing racists immediately said he actually didn't do that instead he gave support to the attackers. Thousands maybe millions of Australians believe this despite the fact that checking what the bloke actually said is very easy.

That might be what some people call defending parallel Islamist sources of authority in the West (this is not all that common but it has happened with defenses of sharia in places like Ontario, or "critical theory" apologists for IS). Tho its probably not what you meant. That guy condemned the attacks in Paris repeatedly before he made a statement saying wtte of "terrorism doesn't happen in a vacuum".

To move away from Islam for a moment, it's a bit reminiscent of how many secular North Americans find something like Mormonism, which I think it is fair to say has its own theocratic tendencies, "crazy" yet live in a symbiotic relationship with it since such religious sects are almost necessary to maintain the current system, providing a certain sort of believer that props up government and other institutions.

Of course we can always yawn and go "realpolitik", but others might be interested in the complex justifications and narratives at play in these situations.


I don't really understand what you mean. I don't know much about how secular Americans see Mormonism. But certain elements of Christianity in Australia (the Exclusive Brethren are just one) have a variety of roles in propping up the system as it is. They are invested in the system, often follow Christianity and capitalism as two sides of the same coin and they reinforce orthodoxies and the irrational elements of the states use of power.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:44 am

tapitsbo » 01 Mar 2016 21:04 wrote:I don't think this notice should necessarily be taken at face value but it seems at least worth considering:

Damascus, SANA-President Bashar al-Assad issued on Wednesday the legislative decree no. 8 for 2016, granting a general amnesty for military deserters inside and outside the country and the crimes included in the Military Service Law committed before 17th February 2016.

The decree grants amnesty on the full penalty for those who have deserted inside the country who are included in Article No. 100 of the Military Penalties Law issued by Legislative Decree No. 61 for 1950 and its amendments.

The decree grants amnesty on the full penalty for those who have deserted outside the country who are included in Article No. 101 of the military Penalties Law issued by Legislative Decree No. 61 for 1950 and its amendments.

This decree does not include fugitives from justice unless they turn themselves in within 30 days for those inside the country and 60 for those outside the country.


So do any of the more knowledgeable folks here figure this resembles the Sri Lankan military wiping out the LTTE? To me it looks somewhat different.


Hard to say. The Sri Lankan military had more autonomy and control of the situation. Turkey v Kurds would seem to me to be closer to the Sri Lankan situation on face value. i'm not really knowledgeable tho.
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Mar 01, 2016 7:45 am

FourthBase » 01 Mar 2016 20:45 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » 01 Mar 2016 05:38 wrote:
Tell me how I'm wrong. It's going to be hard for you, if you're honest.


Sure is. What the fuck are you talking about?


Should be pretty clear if you read the whole thing attentively. I'm assuming you didn't. Or maybe the cognitive dissonance is deafening.


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Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Mar 01, 2016 10:46 am

you see this is not the most disgusting thread ever at RI......early voting was completely WRONG


I thank everyone for taking the time to reply ....it is a great discussion


and as many have prophesied over and over again...you have been wrong over and over again.....the end of RI is not nigh .....it continues to inform
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Re: Coercive Engineered Migration: Zionism’s War on Europe

Postby FourthBase » Tue Mar 01, 2016 12:05 pm

Joe Hillshoist » 01 Mar 2016 06:45 wrote:
FourthBase » 01 Mar 2016 20:45 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » 01 Mar 2016 05:38 wrote:
Tell me how I'm wrong. It's going to be hard for you, if you're honest.


Sure is. What the fuck are you talking about?


Should be pretty clear if you read the whole thing attentively. I'm assuming you didn't. Or maybe the cognitive dissonance is deafening.


I read it attentively. While i ate a steak.


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