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Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:39 pm

brainpanhandler » Fri Aug 05, 2016 7:28 am wrote:
Wikipedia wrote: The Goldwater rule is the informal name for a precept of medical ethics promulgated by the American Psychiatric Association.


I'm not a member of the APA and not subject to this rule. Although I haven't been in the same space as the physical Trump, a projection of it -- moving, speaking, gesturing, expressing in real time -- has been an unwelcome presence in my personal spaces for more than 30 years, very frequent of late. In many cases these appearances were apparently "live," meaning I was seeing the apparition at the same time as it was actually doing and saying the things it was doing and saying, delayed only by a speed of light transmission. So I've understood. It's amazing. He just appears without warning if I happen to have certain devices on, also in public spaces, bars, doctors' waiting rooms, etc. I don't think this is aimed specifically at me, it's some kind of general thing and other people (insofar as they actually exist, of course, and were present) have always assured me they've had the same experience of these manifestations whenever they've happened. In his case, the manifestations appear to have been happening mainly as a result of his own voluntary, in fact assiduous efforts to have himself so projected. This makes him one of hundreds of people I've felt amply qualified to judge psychologically through the magic of seeing far more of them on television than I ever would have as a psychiatrist doing a five-minute intake interview at Bellevue. I think in either case (intake interview or involuntary exposure) my diagnosis would have been the same, with or without a formal education in psychiatry.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:27 pm

http://money.cnn.com/2016/08/05/news/ec ... index.html

Donald Trump reveals his economic advisers
Donald Trump on Friday unveiled his team of economic advisers, which draws heavily on industry executives in finance and real estate.

The list has some big Wall Street names, such as Steven Feinberg and John Paulson, and billionaires, including Harold Hamm and Andy Beal.

And several are Trump donors, including Beal, Hamm, Feinberg, Tom Barrack and Steven Mnuchin, who also serves as finance chairman for Donald J. Trump for President.

None of advisers is a woman. Trump on Thursday struggled to name any women he'd consider appointing to his Cabinet, other than his daughter, Ivanka.

The Republican nominee also plans to unveil policy initiatives on Monday at the Detroit Economic Club. His plan focuses on "empowering Americans by freeing up the necessary tools for everyone to gain economically," according to the campaign.

Trump has often said he wants to renegotiate trade deals and bring back manufacturing jobs that have been shipped overseas -- both of which would be tough to do and may not lead to much new employment, experts said.

"For too long we have watched as President Obama and Hillary Clinton have ruined our economy and decimated the middle class," Trump said in a statement. "I am going to be the greatest jobs president our country has ever seen."

The campaign's policy team will be led by Stephen Miller, with Dan Kowolski serving as deputy director. Miller was communications director for Alabama Senator Jeff Sessions, an early Trump supporter, while Kowalski has served as deputy staff director of the Senate Budget Committee's Republican staff.

Additional members of the economic team will be added later.

Trump's economic advisory team includes:

Tom Barrack, who founded Colony Capital, a private equity firm. He also served in the Reagan administration as deputy undersecretary of the Interior Department.

Andy Beal, who founded Beal Bank and other financial firms, including CSG Investments, Loan Acquisition Corp. and CLG Hedge Fund.

Stephen Calk, who founded Federal Savings Bank and National Bancorp Holdings, which is primarily focused on increasing home ownership among veterans.

Dan DiMicco, who was former CEO of Nucor Corp, a large steel producer. He wrote the book "American Made: Why Making Things Will Return Us To Greatness," on how to revitalize manufacturing.

Steven Feinberg, who co-founded Cerberus Capital Management, a private equity firm which focuses on investing in distressed assets.

Harold Hamm, who is chief executive of Continental Resources, an oil and natural gas producer. He spoke at the Republican convention.

Howard Lorber, who is CEO of Vector Group, a publicly traded company involved in the real estate and consumer products industries. He also serves as chairman of Douglas Elliman Realty, a real estate brokerage firm.

David Malpass, who served as deputy assistant Treasury Secretary under President Reagan and deputy assistant Secretary of State under President George W. Bush. Malpass also founded Encima Global, a consulting and research firm that provides analysis on global economic and political trends.

Steven Mnuchin, who is CEO of Dune Capital Management, a private investment firm, and was an executive as Goldman Sachs. Mnuchin raised eyebrows when Trump picked him as finance chair because he contributed multiple times to Hillary Clinton when she was a senator from New York.

Stephen Moore, who founded the Club For Growth and is chief economist for the conservative Heritage Foundation. Moore was the senior economist of the Joint Economic Committee under Chairman Dick Armey.

Peter Navarro, who is a trade expert and professor of economics and public policy at the University of California, Irvine.

John Paulson, who is president of Paulson & Co, a hedge fund. He made billions by betting against the housing bubble in 2006. He has had to use his own fortune to shore up his firm's finances in recent years, according to a Bloomberg report earlier this year.

Steven Roth, who is chief executive officer of Vornado Realty Trust, which develops, owns and manages office and retail properties in New York City, Washington, D.C., Chicago and San Francisco.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:45 pm

Paulson! Cerberus! What a crew! The hedge-fund pirates come out from behind the curtain. Add Thiel to round out the picture. In case you were wondering what's worse than the usual corporate bankers who form these committees. These are the guys who bankrupt the banks (in collusion with the inside banksters, of course) and tell the world they did it a favor by showing it could be done. Their continued existence relies on the system bailouts I'm sure they to a man will decry as socialist. They will have everything their way. Looks like America: The Bust Out.


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:06 pm

In case you were wondering what's worse than the usual corporate bankers who form these committees. These are the guys who bankrupt the banks (in collusion with the inside banksters, of course) and tell the world they did it a favor by showing it could be done.


Not really seeing the difference. If anything I would rather have these people than the morons who 'advise' Clinton.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:35 pm

Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Aug 05, 2016 2:06 pm wrote:
In case you were wondering what's worse than the usual corporate bankers who form these committees. These are the guys who bankrupt the banks (in collusion with the inside banksters, of course) and tell the world they did it a favor by showing it could be done.


Not really seeing the difference. If anything I would rather have these people than the morons who 'advise' Clinton.


Of course you would. You're voting for Trump. Enjoy.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Fri Aug 05, 2016 3:47 pm

Trump is talking about bringing jobs back to the country and is colluding with banksters which means America will probably slip further into joblessness. Hillary is running all over the world making deals that steal jobs from impoverished Americans to line her own pockets. Not to mention that she is in collusion with bombing families out of their homes in multiple countries and has supported the death and suffering of millions.

I can only agree with Agent Cooper on this point. What is the difference? Hillary is the Satan we know, Trump could be the next Satan.

As far as brass tacks go, actual details go, Hillary is causing the suffering of millions and Trump is talking about bringing jobs back and that probably will not happen either.

Hillary is talking about gender and skin color squabbles as a ruse to deflect from her murderous ways, Trump is talking about bringing jobs back which is probably just a red herring too.

I'm sick of this gender and race baiting. I have had it up to my skull with that bullshit. I don't care which bathroom people piss and shit in. Just piss and shit somewhere and shut up about where people piss and shit.

I want the damn country fixed and I don't care who uses which bathroom or if they are uncomfortable having been born with a penis or a vagina because it is not a matter for public consumption. Everybody has to sort that out for themselves.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:05 pm

JackRiddler » Fri Aug 05, 2016 12:35 pm wrote:Of course you would. You're voting for Trump. Enjoy.


I'm not voting for anybody Jack. Methinks you have an overly simplistic view of what is happening here.
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Postby 82_28 » Fri Aug 05, 2016 4:13 pm

If anything at all, Jack don't got no simplistic view of shit. Everyone is making valid points and nested topics to be considered. We're all gonna be here for awhile! :yay
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Aug 06, 2016 1:03 pm

It's Not Alarmist: Trump and the Republican Party Could Destroy the World
Saturday, 06 August 2016 00:00
By Phil Torres and Peter Boghossian, Truthout | Op-Ed



Trump and Republican Party literally threaten the existence of our species. While this statement may sound alarming, it's not in the least alarmist. Alarmism is what results when one's degree of fear goes beyond the best available evidence. It's not alarmist, for example, to shout "Bear!" when one sees a grizzly charging in one's direction, just as it's not alarmist to scream, "Civilization could collapse as a result of environmental degradation!" when one sincerely examines the evidence.

Consider the following two phenomena: biodiversity loss and climate change. The first receives hardly any attention from the popular media, yet it constitutes an immense danger to humanity. For example, according to a 2015 study published in Science Advances, humanity has escorted the biosphere into a new phase of devastation: the sixth mass extinction, also called the Holocene extinction.

To put this in perspective, the first living organisms emerged on Earth some 3.8 billion years ago. Since then, there have been five mass extinctions -- dubbed the "Big Five" -- the last of which killed off the dinosaurs some 66 million years ago. Today, as a result of ecosystem fragmentation, overfishing, pollution, habitat destruction and global warming, we're in the early stages of the sixth extinction.

Not only are species disappearing, wildlife populations around the world are dwindling at a shocking rate. For example, the 2014 Living Planet Report notes that the population of wild vertebrates -- that is, a wide category of mammals, birds, reptiles, amphibians and fish -- declined between 1970 and 2010 by a staggering 52 percent. Yet another paper published in Science shows that if current trends continue, there will be virtually no more wild seafood in the world's oceans by 2048.

In fact, the oceans are increasingly cluttered with vast graveyards called "dead zones." This refers to regions in which oxygen levels are too low for most marine organisms to survive. A recent count found more than 500 dead zones worldwide, one of which is the size of Connecticut. And let's not forget the "Great Pacific Garbage Patch," an "island" of swirling plastic south of Hawaii that's estimated to be up to "twice the size of the continental United States."

Now, let's turn to climate change. The overwhelming majority of climate scientists agree that humans are causing the Earth's warming. Temperature increases will almost certainly bring about extreme weather events, hotter surface temperatures, melting glaciers, rising sea levels, mega-droughts, deforestation, desertification, the spread of infectious disease, mass migrations, social upheaval, political instability and food supply disruptions. Even the frequency of lightning strikes will increase by 50 percent, allergies will get worse and the planet will spin faster than it currently does (due to changes in the density and circulation patterns of the ocean).

Of more immediate concern, both scholars and high-level government officials have linked climate change, with its attendant societal stresses, to the rise of global terrorism. For example, a 2015 study implies a causal connection between climate change and the rise of ISIS (also known as Daesh) during the Syrian civil war, which was fueled by record-breaking droughts exacerbated by climate change. And both the former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel and the current CIA Director John Brennan -- as well as the Department of Defense -- have affirmed that the Earth's warming will nontrivially exacerbate terrorist threats facing the West.

But the consequences of climate change will also be "irreversible." This was recently confirmed by a 2016 article published in Nature and authored by more than 20 scientists from around the globe. As the authors write:

The next few decades offer a brief window of opportunity to minimize large-scale and potentially catastrophic climate change that will extend longer than the entire history of human civilization... Policy decisions made during this window are likely to result in changes to Earth's climate system measured in millennia rather than human lifespans, with associated socioeconomic and ecological impacts that will exacerbate the risks and damages to society and ecosystems that are projected for the twenty-first century and propagate into the future for many thousands of years.
Enter Donald J. Trump and the Republicans.

Many leading Republicans refuse to even acknowledge that climate change is happening, much less that it's the result of carbon emissions. Presidential candidate Ben Carson claimed that, "There is no overwhelming science that the things that are going on are man-caused and not naturally caused. Gimme a break." Another presidential candidate, Mike Huckabee, incorrectly believes that the "science is not settled."

This denialist attitude is due partly to the religious convictions of such individuals; as the Christian congressman John Shimkus declared back in 2009, climate change isn't a concern because God assured Noah after the great deluge that "never again shall there be a flood to destroy the earth" (Genesis 9:11). In other words, if anthropogenic global warming isn't compatible with the promises of Holy Scripture, then humanity shouldn't worry about it.

Yet another Republican presidential candidate, Ted Cruz, calls climate change a "pseudo-scientific theory," and has frequently distorted historical climate data to justify his denialism. During an agriculture summit last year, Cruz said, "The radical left loves attacking people as anti-science when anyone dares question their computer models on global warming. They scream, 'you're anti-science,' when someone points out, for example, that in the last 17 years, satellite data shows there's been no warming whatsoever."

This, however, is simply false. As the National Centers for Environmental Information affirms, the hottest 16 years on record -- with only a single exception -- have all occurred since the beginning of this century. Starting with the hottest, the list goes: 2015, 2014, 2010, 2013, 2005, 1998, 2009, 2012, 2003, 2006, 2007, 2002, 2004, 2011, 2001, 2008. And current data suggests that 2016 will beat the temperature record set by 2015.

Even more alarming, the Republican presidential nominee, Donald Trump, has repeatedly labeled climate change a "hoax" perpetrated "for the benefit of China, because China does not do anything to help climate change." In an interview with the conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Trump claimed he's "not a believer, and I will, unless somebody can prove something to me, I believe there's weather. I believe there's change, and I believe it goes up and it goes down, and it goes up again. And it changes depending on years and centuries, but I am not a believer, and we have much bigger problems."

Consistent with this position, Trump has vowed to dismantle the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), which he erroneously calls the Department of Environmental (or, perplexingly, the "DEP"), and renounce the Paris climate accord -- an agreement between nearly 200 countries that the venerable Bulletin of the Atomic Scientists describes as a "small bright [spot] in a darker world situation full of potential for catastrophe."

In fact, the Bulletin's 2016 Doomsday Clock announcement actually called out the Republicans by name for their dogmatic rejection of established science. "The elections of more climate-friendly governments in Canada and Australia are also encouraging," the authors wrote, "but must be seen against... the Republican Party in the United States, which stands alone in the world in failing to acknowledge even that human-caused climate change is a problem" (italics added).

As the cosmologist and chair of the Bulletin's Board of Sponsors, Lawrence Krauss, confirms in an interview with Free Inquiry, the Republican Party is the only major political entity in the world that denies the existence of climate change.

In contrast, not only are liberals more likely to believe in climate change and far more likely to trust experts than conservatives, but all of the Democratic candidates this year acknowledged that climate change is real, anthropogenic and requires immediate action. Bernie Sanders even described it as "absolutely" the United States' greatest national security threat.

Along these lines, Martin O'Malley claimed that "the cascading effects" of climate change helped fuel the Syrian civil war and the rise of ISIS. This comports with the 2015 study mentioned above, and indeed, PolitiFact rated O'Malley's statement "Mostly True." While Clinton, the Democratic nominee for president, has been more reluctant to identify climate change as the country's greatest threat to national security, her platform nonetheless describes it as "a defining challenge of our time." The difference between the political Right and Left on the issue of climate change could hardly be more significant.

Given the unique global risks that haunt our species this century, it's not alarmist to claim that the stakes have never been higher. A failure to heed the advice and warnings of scientific experts could result in catastrophes that affect not only the current human population, but future generations for literally 10,000 years. Yet the Republican Party continues to dismiss the extensive body of scientific evidence about how human activity is shaping -- and destroying -- the biosphere upon which our collective survival depends.

This should be profoundly alarming to anyone who cares about the future of humanity. It's also what makes the 2016 presidential election the most important political event in the history of human civilization. When voters enter the booths in November, they'll be deciding not only what kind of country we'll have for the next four to eight years, but also how livable our planet will be for millennia hence.

The first step toward ensuring that the public makes a wise decision is to educate people about the immense threat posed by the most powerful, anti-science political movement in the world: the Republican Party.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:42 pm

Whatever. Trump will definitely go to war, just maybe not the same wars that Clinton is pretty much starting already.

He is an active danger to make literal war domestically, no question. The stances he has stuck to in all his confusionist muddle are that he wants to deport 11 million, build a wall, make Mexico pay, block entry to Muslims (now modified to specify "territories" rather than a religious test) and single-handedly impose "law and order" against an ever-widening array of immigrants (including legal ones, incresingly) and assorted others. Most everything else, including the "good" things like supposedly wanting an arrangement with Russia, gets revised or contradicted daily. Right now the schtick is all about evil Iran, so he's one with the neocons in wanting to torpedo the deal.

What kind of a dick does this, seriously?


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PORTLAND, Maine (AP) — Donald Trump’s characterization of Somalis as dangerous and a drag on resources could undo years of work that they have done to establish themselves in the country’s whitest state, Somali residents said Friday.

Trump told a packed audience in Portland on Thursday that Maine is a “major destination” for Somali refugees and that they’re coming from some of the “most dangerous” places. All told, about 10,000 Somalis lives in Portland and Lewiston, Maine’s largest cities.

The Somali Community Center of Maine said the Republican presidential candidate’s remarks were a setback for immigrants who have worked hard to become part of the state’s fabric over the past two decades.

“It is damaging to the psyche of our youth to hear a major party presidential nominee insult our culture and religion, especially while standing next to the governor of our state,” the community center said in a statement. “We condemn his name calling, scapegoating and the lies perpetrated by his campaign.”

Republican Gov. Paul LePage, who supports Trump and has sparred with immigrant groups in the past, introduced Trump at Thursday’s events. His office did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

Somalis began coming to Maine in the 1990s as part of a refugee resettlement effort in Portland. A housing shortage caused some to look to Lewiston, a former mill town 35 miles to the north, where apartments were cheaper.

Integration was not without challenges. Laurier Raymond, then Lewiston’s mayor, told Somalis to stop relocating to the city in 2002 because of what he called a strain on social services. A few years later, someone rolled a frozen pig’s head into a mosque, drawing widespread condemnation from the community and eventually criminal charges.

These days, Somalis and immigrants from other African communities attend public schools and run local businesses.

Portland school Superintendent Xavier Botana called the district’s Somali students “a shining example” of the strength of diversity. It’s common in both cities to see hijab-clad mothers shepherding children around playgrounds, something no one would have fathomed decades ago in the state that still has the lowest percentage of nonwhites in the U.S.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:46 pm

A new poll has Trump in fourth — behind Gary Johnson AND Jill Stein — with young people

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the ... ng-people/

The McClatchy poll shows Trump pulling just 1 in 10 votes — 9 percent — among Americans under 30 years old. Hillary Clinton is at 41 percent, while Johnson is at 23 percent and Stein is at 16 percent. Trump is basically tied with "undecided," which is at 8 percent.


If only 150 people under 30 in the poll, it has Clinton at 41, Johnson 23, Stein 16 and Trump 9.

(That's pretty much the story, the rest is standard WaPo spin on how third parties are stupid.)
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Searcher08 » Sat Aug 06, 2016 7:20 pm

I watched the Clinton Cash documentary today. Although it was mostly circumstantial, the pattern of corruption it showed was frikken horrendous...

I then watched some of Trump in Iowa...

Jesus H. Christ

It was like watching a drunk comedian in Atlantic City ramble then morph seamlessly into "I'm a deal-maker, Hilary isn't" 80s Gordon Gecko businessman clone before shapeshifting into "World, there is a new Daddy in town and he is ME. As everyone is saying".
What an utter unreconstructed fuckstick.
I saw an "If you want to Play with USA, Pay USA" Nu Joisey Sopranos extortion racket

Then... this comment. Excuse the crudity, it made me laugh.
"Hillary is a cunt. Trump is an asshole. There is only one thing that can fuck both a cunt and an asshole and that is a Johnson... Team America"
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Aug 07, 2016 1:55 am

How to Stop President Trump from Nuking Mexico

Donald Trump managed the impossible, scaring people even more with his eagerness to play with a nuclear arsenal. But there may be a final way to stop him from nuclear annihilation.

Of all the things Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump has tweeted, stated or outright lied about, it was the news this week that he asked about using nuclear weapons that attracted the attention of the national security community.
Perhaps he was just curious when he reportedly asked three times in a one-hour briefing with a foreign policy advisor why, if the U.S. has nuclear weapons, it doesn’t use them? The answer to anyone with even a few minutes’ worth of national security experience is obvious: to keep millions, even billions, of people alive.

Regardless, Trump’s nuclear interest has raised questions about just how much danger the nation would be in should it elect a president hell bent on launching a strike. On Thursday, Rep. Ted Lieu, a Democrat representing the Los Angeles area, released a statement saying he would introduce legislation that required Congress to be a part of a nuclear decision.

But if that fails, defense officials and experts say, there’s always the old fashioned way of corralling a president with a screw loose. As it turns out, the national security apparatus deploys the same measures many of us do when a boss makes an unreasonable request: delay, distract, and hope the order passes.

Legally speaking, the authority to launch nuclear strikes rests almost exclusively with the president. While the Secretary of Defense must sign off on the deployment of such weapons, he/she has no veto power.
“I plan to introduce legislation that requires the concurrence of leaders in Congress—who are not beholden to the President—before a nuclear strike can be launched,” Lieu said in his statement. “We can no longer have the fate of civilization depend on just two people in the Executive Branch.”
Trump could order the armed forces to nuke ISIS—or Mexico, if they refuse to pay for that darned wall. Such an order may even be legal (well, probably not in the Mexican scenario).

But in the halls of the Pentagon, there’s an assumption that things will never get so bad. There is a presumption that should Trump propose using such weapons, every delay tactic possible, coupled with an unprecedented international outcry, would stop it. Others, both inside and outside the United States, would argue that morally, the US cannot do it. It is a disproportionate response to the ISIS threat and would end up killing masses of civilians, not just terrorists, making it a war crime.

“There would be an effort to slow roll. The Secretary of Defense may threaten to quit. I think that would be your check,” Lawrence Korb, a senior fellow at the Center for American Progress, explained to the Daily Beast. Less clear is what the nuclear response would be if the U.S. suddenly discovered missiles were headed its way.


The more immediate worry, U.S. officials said, are Trump’s promises to kill terrorists’ families or waterboard jihadi suspects. That is, the grey area of modern non-nuclear warfare.
“I can’t think of a scenario in which we are talking about nuclear war” in the post-Cold War period, one U.S. official explained to the Daily Beast. “But in our recent history, we have already arguably stretched the law once.”

A president determined to launch a non-nuclear, military operation is often aided by compliant generals, intelligence officials and the lawyers who deem presidential directives legal, three U.S. officials explained to The Daily Beast.
“Once you find a lawyer to say it is legal, it is hard to stop,” a second U.S. official said. “What if Trump finds lawyers who sign off on his ideas?”
And that has officials worried most. There have been instances in recent history where a motivated White House has found the very people it needed to carry out its national security plans.

It was a lawyer, John Yoo, for example who declared the George W. Bush administration’s torture methods legally sound, opening the door for waterboarding. Two days into his administration, President Obama signed an executive order that revoked every legal justification. Last month, John Brennan, the CIA director, said he would resign before he would reinstate waterboarding as Trump has suggested.


But there are also longstanding safety measures—and a precedent for a kind of passive-aggressive resistance to the president within the national security community. Most notably, the national security team around President Richard Nixon repeatedly made up excuses to not launch strikes. The president was seen as temperamental and, some believed, increasingly unhinged by the Watergate scandal. In September 1970 as the Palestine Liberation Organization sought to overthrow the regime of King Hussein of Jordan, known as Black September, Nixon ordered the generals to “bomb the bastards.” Instead, the generals came up with an excuse.

“They would always say it was the weather. There are too many clouds,” Ray Locker, who authored Nixon’s Gamble: How a President’s Own Secret Government Destroyed His Administration, explained to the Daily Beast. Delaying bombing orders “was a hallmark of his White House. They would let Nixon vent his frustration and let it slide. They would hope the next day he forgot about it.”
Government officials are required to not comply with an order that violates the law, even if that means defying a presidential order. Moreover, rarely does a president simply declare the U.S should conduct a strike. Rather, it comes to the president up the chain in a series of recommendations. And those take time to make their way up the bureaucracy.
Once presented, the decision is usually made among many people, which takes time. And then the lawyers must determine if a decision is legally allowed, which of course takes more time.

And then those carrying out the orders must develop the plans to do so. One decision could come up against the bureaucracies of the Pentagon, a general in the area of the world where a strike would happen, and the intelligence community, for example.
During a March debate, Trump said he would force the military to carry out acts that violated international law: “They won’t refuse. They’re not going to refuse me,” he said. “If I say do it, they’re going to do it.”

He later backed down and sought to reassure those concerned that his presidency could take the United States into uncharted military campaigns.
Trump said then that he understood “that the United States is bound by laws and treaties and I will not order our military or other officials to violate those laws and will seek their advice on such matters.”'

And when law, reason and delay tactics have failed, officials have used more, shall we say, creative solutions to keep unstable presidents in check.
In the final years of the Nixon’s administration, then Secretary of Defense James R. Schlesinger and Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, were the key decision makers on strike decisions. Indeed, during the 1973 Arab-Israeli war, officials around Nixon raised the nuclear warning level to DEFCON 3 in an effort to stop Russian escalation in the region—and didn’t even tell Nixon, Locker recalled.
“Nixon was at Camp David. Kissinger calls [then chief of staff Alexander] Haig and asks ‘Should we tell the president?’ And Haig said ‘no,’” Locker said. “They told him about it the next day.”

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2 ... exico.html



Everybody feel better now?
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Sun Aug 07, 2016 2:28 am

Unless I see Trump saying things myself, I am not going to believe any second-hand accounts of his alleged quotes.

The entire Deep State is for Hillary, which means they're against Trump. They lie. All the time and about everything.

So that "story" above has zero value.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Sun Aug 07, 2016 6:19 am

Trump is superior on foreign policy (as a non-American, that's all I care about/have any stake in discussing) due to his desire for rapprochement with Russia and because he won the Republican nomination after very publicly deriding the Bush-led Iraq War in South Carolina.

Hillary is a committed Kosovo/Iraq/Libya/Syria (but strangely not Saudi Arabia) regime-change imperialist.

Beyond this difference, which is made narrower by Trump's seeming impulsiveness and unpredictability, all of the usual criticisms effectively stand.

But the regime change doctrine is a big one and Hillary is at its very centre. For this reason I will be mildly relieved in the event of a Trump victory.
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