Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

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Postby Rory » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:11 am

http://www.wsj.com/articles/secret-reco ... 1478135518

Secret Recordings Fueled FBI Feud in Clinton Probe
Agents thought they had enough material to merit aggressively pursuing investigation into Clinton Foundation

*is paywalled*

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-11-0 ... ion-despit

Claims to quote the article in question

As 2015 came to a close, the FBI and Justice Department had a general understanding that neither side would take major action on Clinton Foundation matters without meeting and discussing it first. In February, a meeting was held in Washington among FBI officials, public-integrity prosecutors and Leslie Caldwell, the head of the Justice Department’s criminal division. Prosecutors from the Eastern District of New York—Mr. Capers’ office—didn’t attend, these people said.
The public-integrity prosecutors weren’t impressed with the FBI presentation, people familiar with the discussion said. “The message was, ‘We’re done here,’ ” a person familiar with the matter said.

Justice Department officials became increasingly frustrated that the agents seemed to be disregarding or disobeying their instructions.

Following the February meeting, officials at Justice Department headquarters sent a message to all the offices involved to “stand down,’’ a person familiar with the matter said.
The FBI had secretly recorded conversations of a suspect in a public-corruption case talking about alleged deals the Clintons made, these people said. The agents listening to the recordings couldn’t tell from the conversations if what the suspect was describing was accurate, but it was, they thought, worth checking out.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:14 am

yes we know the whole right wing is a buzz

like they've been a buzz for 30 years

Hillary is about to be indicted......they've been saying that forever

but we all know Trump has already been indicted and the trials start soon

Impeach her after the election...that's what is going to happen ...be patient

at least we won't have that homophobic Pence as president
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:17 am

SLAD, so that we are both on the same page, I want you to know that I don't like Trump, and a large part of that has to do with his race-baiting and his sexist, piggish behavior over the last 30 years that I've been aware of him.

I do not support him. I did not vote for him.

But if I exiled from my life every person that IS voting for him, then I would be in a sore spot. There are SO many Trump/Pence lawn signs and bumper stickers in this rural Florida county. I have coworkers who are Trump supporters and they are not racist people. I have a few friends that are. I think my new boss is probably a Trump supporter. If any of them are "racist" then it's the latent cultural racism that 99% of white America is guilty of.

I refuse to condemn 90% of my community as vile, inhuman, racist monsters because of their support for a politician - a politician that has been forced upon them by the primary process and our two party system.

Just as I refuse to condemn my parents (and you, and so many others) for voting for Hillary Clinton; a person who I believe is a neo-con Globalist, not by some conspiracy, but by her own record in the Senate and as Secretary of State.

This kind of vitriolic hate thrown towards supporters of either candidate is exactly what Nordic was talking about. I'll agree that we should keep the racism label exclusive to actual racism, but the sentiment still applies: sweeping generalization, a lack of empathy for people who are different, and total demonization of their character as result.

You, ma'am, must have the privilege to not live in Trump County, or you must have the privilege and ability to disconnect yourself from a community you despise. I do not have that luxury. I don't have the luxury to hate and despise the thousands of people around me that create a community, even if I disagree half of their politics.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:23 am

It doesn't matter if I live in Trump country or not ...I am not privileged by any means ..I don't need to disconnect myself from any one because I CHOOSE to not include racists in my life .....I don't hate them..I don't care about them ...I don't care at all about racists ..I would not be able to change their opinions and I don't care to waste my time with them..they mean nothing to me..they can vote any racist way they want

I'm just not voting with the KKK

you can not deny Trump is a racist....
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Rory » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:25 am

http://www.oftwominds.com/blognov16/cor ... 11-16.html

The consistently good, CH Smith getting to the essential nature of the problem of $hillary and the system that propels a person of her "talents" to the top

Hillary Is The Perfection of a Corrupt System

November 3, 2016

Exposing the Clintons' perfection of a corrupt political system won't change the conditions and incentives that created the Clintons' harvester of corruption.

Let's set aside Hillary Clinton as an individual and consider her as the perfection of a corrupt political system. As I noted yesterday, Politics As Usual Is Dead, and Hillary Clinton is the ultimate product of the political system that is disintegrating before our eyes.

The corruption of pay-to-play and the commingling of public and private influence is not the failing of an individual--it is the logical conclusion of a thoroughly corrupt political system.

Given the incentives built into politics as usual, public/private pay-to-play doesn't just make sense--it is the only possible maximization of the political system.

Cobble together a multi-million dollar private foundation, millions of dollars in speaking fees from big-money contributors, conflicts of interest, the secrecy of private email servers, pay-to-play schemes and corrupted loyalists planted in the Department of Justice, and the inevitable result is a politics as usual money-harvesting machine that lays waste to the nation, supporters and critics alike.

All the Clintons did is assemble the parts more effectively than anyone else. Now that the machine has scooped up hundreds of millions of dollars in "contributions" and other loot, vested interests and corrupted loyalists within the federal government will do anything to protect the machine and its vast flow of funds.

The nation's political system needs a thorough cleaning from top to bottom. Exposing the Clintons' perfection of politics as usual won't change the conditions and incentives that created the Clintons' harvester of corruption.

That will require rooting out the incentives that made the Clintons' perfection of corruption both logical and inevitable.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:27 am

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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:31 am

I don't suffer racist, either. I don't put up with it. I shut them down, whether its fellow teachers in the breakroom (I have) or fellow nerds around the gaming table. Trust me, in this Southern community, I have had too many opportunities to put my money where my mouth is, and yes it's caused personal confrontations.

But not with 90% of the people I know, even if they are Republican, even if they are country-folk, and even if they are voting Trump. That's my point; I don't suffer racism, but I also cannot label every Trump supporter as one and then shun them . . . not because then I'd have no friends or coworkers, but because it's untrue.

I'm getting a little angry now, so I better stop, but think about this:

How dare someone (you or anyone) comment on the character of people you don't know? How dare someone insert themselves into a community that they are not a part of and, after reading some hyped up news articles, condemn that community as being amongst the most vile of people on the planet. How dare someone look at my community, my coworkers, my friends, and even some rare member of my family, look them in the face and say "You, sir or madame, are a fucking racist", when they've never even interacted with these people.

That's Left-wing snobbery and it's every bit as vile as Right-wing bigotry.


divideandconquer » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:04 am wrote:
I totally agree! This election is a huge psyop! An indoctrinated public is being forced to choose between two blatantly wicked candidates. Well, the only way to overcome cognitive dissonance that this choice creates is to make their chosen candidate sprout wings. The indoctrinated do not realize that their choice doesn't matter....that these candidates are merely puppets. They don't realize they don't have to make a choice...the don't realize that whoever "wins" will continue to carry forth the global elite's dehumanizing, depopulating agenda that will continue to strip away their rights and carry on the immense transfer of wealth. In other words, they foolishly think their choice matters.


I'll hold my tongue on psyops or vote rigging (I just don't have enough knowledge to make a definitive statement), but I will say something that I've been saying for months now (and it's along those lines, whether by accident or on purpose):

Only Donald Trump could convince millions of people to come out and vote for Hillary Clinton, and only Hillary Clinton could convince millions of people to come out and vote for Donald freak'n Trump!

It's a perfect shit storm.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:35 am

I am worried about what ultra-rightwing violence is going to look like for the next 8 years. Is the vitriol worse than it was in the 2008 election cycle? Am I just more willing to wade into shit now (I don't think this is the case). We're living in a real post-recession / no-recovery time and it feels like we have some very tenuous hold on domestic civility.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 11:44 am

That's Left-wing snobbery and it's every bit as vile as Right-wing bigotry



really??


you are equating snobbery with racism?

when did snobbery ever burn down a church and spray paint VOTE TRUMP on it?

when did snobbery ever lynch a black man?

when did snobbery ever tie a black man to the back of a truck and drag a black man till he was dead?

If you consider me a snob for not hanging out with racists ...fine by me...I am a snob...I don't hang out with racist people I don't like racist people...I don't call that snobbery ...I call that living my life with out hateful people in it..we all have free will to decide who we let into our lives
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Novem5er » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:05 pm

I said bigotry, not racism, but yes either of those taken to the extreme leads to violence. You're talking about extremism. Those 1+ billion Muslims you talked about earlier? Most of them don't support Gay Marriage or homosexuality at all - but only the extremists carry it towards actual violence. I don't think you're condemning 1+ billion Muslims for their religiously inspired bigotry.

I'm not defending every-day, non-violent bigotry. I'm saying it's akin to snobbery . . . which IS a form of bigotry, directed at people deemed of a lower class or culture. Snobbery has certainly cost people jobs and economic opportunity. It's every bit as evil as non-violent bigotry because it's the same thing.

You would not be a snob for refusing to associate with racists. I refuse to associate with racists, too. You would be a snob if you were generalizing an entire culture of people as being racist, without ever having met them, talked to them, listened to them, or known a single thing about them other than what the media tells you.

I have a good friend who's a Trump supporter. She's a country girl with a half-Mexican granddaughter. She doesn't like rap culture, but she isn't racist and has never treated a black student or a black coworker any differently than anyone else. She's a Christian and she's never said a bad word about Obama. But she doesn't like Yankee liberals and D.C. politicians constantly telling her that her family and culture and somehow inferior, and sticking their fingers into everything from how to run our schools, businesses, agriculture, health care, and everything else. She's tired of foreign wars and curses the Bush family for first screwing up Florida, and then screwing up America, and she's tired of career politicians like Hillary trying to run the world.

Now, I could argue with her that Trump is not going to fix anything that she cares about, but I can't argue for her to vote for Hillary. She's voting for Trump mostly to stop Hillary, just like you SLAD, are mostly voting for Hillary to stop Trump.

But a racist Trump supporter burned down a Black church, and she's voting for Trump, so in your mind she's guilty of supporting that church burning?

That's so messed up. That's snobbery. That's bigotry.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:10 pm

The Trump Effect

this is racism.....let's get fucking real about this


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http://americasvoice.org/press_releases ... upporters/

We’ve seen the proof since his campaign launch in June 2015. Trump’s xenophobic rhetoric hasn’t just pushed his fellow candidates to the right on immigration (in what has become known as the “Trump Effect”). It’s gone beyond the political world and injected itself into everyday life — and, in several instances, in a very violent ways.

This map shows documented instances where Donald Trump, his supporters, or his staff harassed or attacked Latinos and immigrants.

You can view individual incidents on the map by clicking directly on the Trump head “markers,” or you can click on the box-shaped symbol at the top left corner of the map to see a pull-down list of the incidents.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Rory » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:12 pm

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 95666.html

Starting to gain traction in more mainstream media
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:13 pm

Hillary Clinton FBI indictment 'likely', claims Fox News :P


indictment likely ....any minute now....so says right wing media for over three decades :P

get a clue Rory ....maybe she will be indicted but it won't be before the election and then game on!

President Kaine! :yay

game on with Republican Obstructionism!

at least we won't have that anti-abortionist...racist ...homophobic Pence
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby Rory » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:19 pm

Yeah, President "Coathanger" Kaine. Arch conservative Catholic, anti abortionist. :thumbsup

https://www.theautomaticearth.com/2016/ ... ed-states/

Amidst the epic flood of political statements and media commentary that keeps on rolling in and on, there’s something that doesn’t seem to occur to most people, and it should. That is, the unfortunate but apparently inevitable discussion about all the unfortunate and/or illegal things that either candidate may or may not have done, must be seen in the light of the capacity in which -perceived- errors or even crimes are committed. It is essential to this issue.

What far too many people are far too eager to ignore is that everything Donald Trump may have done that may have been illegal or on the edge, he did as a private person, and most of what Hillary Clinton has done in that same category was as a representative of the American government and hence the American people. The demands and standards when it comes to behavior are much higher for people in representative government positions than they are for private citizens, and they are so for good reason.

One may try and argue that this is not fair, but that’s a moot argument. One may also argue that everyday news strongly suggests that Washington is the very place where moral standards seem to count least, but that is also moot. What others do today, or have done in the past, can never be an excuse for eroding the standards to which government officials should be held. If anything, it should be reason to hold all of them to higher standards going forward.

This is the only way The Office of the President of the United States, and the US political system as a whole, can be expected to retain, or regain, the respect it badly needs to command, both domestically and on the international front. It is for this very reason that on the political scene, actors need to “do the right thing”, or “draw the consequences”, when the situation so demands. Respect for the office must always come before personal gain, or the whole edifice will crumble.

This also means that a president and his secretaries have much less room to move on their public statements on issues than ‘civilians’ do. And in that regard President Obama, though he seemed to be doing well, is now moving onto dangerous ground. On Monday, Obama seemed to back FBI director Jim Comey, or at least he refused to join his party in attacking Comey.

Note that the president can’t do anything even remotely perceived as attacking the head of the FBI. Not in public. And that would be true even if Comey were not his own appointment. The NY Post wrote:

While top Democrats are attacking James Comey, President Obama’s spokesman on Monday described the FBI director as a man of “integrity” and “good character” and said he is not trying to tilt the election. “I’ll neither defend nor criticize Director Comey,” said White House Press Secretary Josh Earnest. “The president doesn’t believe that Director Comey is intentionally trying to influence the outcome of an election. He doesn’t believe he’s secretly strategizing to benefit one candidate or one political party. He is in a tough spot.”

Still, some sort of caveat was inserted by Press Secretary Earnest:

Earnest rebuked those who were assailing Comey for saying last Friday the FBI was reopening the Hillary Clinton e-mail probe just days before the Nov. 8 election. “There are other people that have the luxury of being able to opine, writing op-eds or serving as anonymous sources for reporters to weigh in with their own view, but when I stand here representing the institution of the presidency, I don’t have that luxury,” he said.

But not long after, the president joined the Clinton campaign choir after all, in a move that smells not at all presidential. Mother Jones headlined: Obama Slams FBI Over New Hillary Clinton Emails . This is a risky move not worthy of a president, who represents not a party but an entire nation, and all Americans.

President Barack Obama harshly criticized the FBI’s actions informing Congress about the discovery of new Hillary Clinton emails, suggesting to NowThisNews on Wednesday that the much-criticized letter was outside of law enforcement protocol. “We don’t operate on innuendo,” Obama said in his first remarks since the FBI’s announcement last Friday. “We don’t operate on incomplete information and we don’t operate on leaks. We operate based on concrete decisions that are made.”

Obama acted presidential on Monday; he did not on Wednesday. And that’s not all. On Monday, Obama had already made another questionable move. Not only did he seem to ‘support’ Comey, he also lavished praise on Donna Brazile, the -interim- head of the Clinton campaign.

He did so mere hours (!) after Brazile had been fired by CNN, a network that drools Clinton 24/7. So when even CNN had had enough, Obama found it appropriate to say “she is a person of high character”.
That does not add up. Here’s from Adriana Cohen at the Boston Herald in one of the best pieces I’ve read on the whole issue:

To put how serious this is into context, if Brazile traded stocks off inside information, the SEC would toss her in jail faster than you can say Martha Stewart. Yet, despite all of the above, the White House yesterday praised her integrity. You read that right. When asked about the hacked emails White House spokesman Josh Earnest said, “No, the president believes she has done a fine job stepping in during a very difficult situation to lead the Democratic Party … she is a person of high character. She is a true professional who is a tenacious and effective advocate for Democrats.”

Why was Brazile sacked? For feeding the Clintonians debate questions. As per The Hill:

In an email dated March 5, 2016 — the day before a CNN debate in Flint, Mich. — Brazile sent Clinton campaign chairman John Podesta and communications director Jennifer Palmieri an email with the subject line, “One of the questions directed to HRC tomorrow is from a woman with a rash.” “Her family has lead poison and she will ask what, if anything, will Hillary do as president to help the ppl of Flint,” she wrote.

Think about this for a second. Donna Brazile gets fired by CNN for -very illegally- letting the Clinton campaign in on a question that will be asked in a debate (with Bernie Sanders). Now, I think we can all agree that CNN does not have excessively high moral standards. And perhaps they don’t have to. But the president of the United States does.

Ergo: while the network said they were ‘completely uncomfortable’ with Brazile’s ‘interactions with campaign’, the same Donna Brazile was not only praised by the president, who is supposed to stand above all parties and divisions by the very nature of the Office he holds, she is also still the head of the Democratic campaign.

In other words, the sender of the messages containing debate questions (there were more than one) gets fired by one end of the ‘transaction’, but the receiving end has no problems with that exact same action, and then even sees that decision sanctioned by the nation’s president.

As if it wasn’t not illegal for Hillary to have those questions before the debate. There’s a sender and a receiver, and both are equally to blame. And so is Hillary, because of course she knew the questions had to have been obtained illegally. But she keeps on Brazile, the sender, as head of her campaign, as well as Podesta and Palmieri, the receivers, despite all this.

What does that tell you? Regardless of legal implications, doesn’t that scream out something in the vein of: “When we go low, but do we go really low”? What does it tell you when the Clintonians, and Obama, are fine with something even CNN won’t stand for? It can only mean that a network like CNN, not exactly famous for its moral stances, has higher moral standards than the campaign for a candidate for the presidency of the United States, a position where moral standards are a high priority.

These are the things that drag down the entire American political system. Obama’s statements on the FBI and Donna Brazile drag down the office of the president. And if Hillary would be elected on November 8, that office would be dragged down that much more.

And not only can we now foresee, and must we prepare for, serious domestic unrest no matter what the election result will be (I liked the notion I read somewhere of ‘America between 9/11 and 11/9’), the damage will also reverberate globally. I’ve said it before, I don’t see how Hillary and her people can still backtrack on all the innuendo they spread on Russia, but to be presidential, she will not have a choice.

Or she would risk getting stuck somewhere in the middle of all the untruths and outright lies about Putin, Assange and now James Comey, and that would mean a behemoth blemish on the presidency, something neither she nor the American political system can afford. You need more than just insinuations, you need at least kernels of truth if you want to be president.

When even the NY Times reports that the FBI Finds No Clear Link Between Trump and Russia, the Democratic campaign will have no choice but to step back or double down:

For much of the summer, the FBI pursued a widening investigation into a Russian role in the American presidential campaign. Agents scrutinized advisers close to Donald J. Trump, looked for financial connections with Russian financial figures, searched for those involved in hacking the computers of Democrats, and even chased a lead – which they ultimately came to doubt – about a possible secret channel of email communication from the Trump Organization to a Russian bank. Law enforcement officials say that none of the investigations so far have found any conclusive or direct link between Mr. Trump and the Russian government.

[..] Senator Harry Reid of Nevada, the minority leader, responded angrily on Sunday with a letter accusing the FBI of not being forthcoming about Mr. Trump’s alleged ties with Moscow. “It has become clear that you possess explosive information about close ties and coordination between Donald Trump, his top advisers, and the Russian government – a foreign interest openly hostile to the United States, which Trump praises at every opportunity,” Mr. Reid wrote. “The public has a right to know this information.”

And maybe that’s another reason for them to go after Comey, that the FBI would not support the claims that Russia is linked with Trump. Regardless, we now see the FBI biting back. On just about all fronts. What exactly Comey’s role is in that is not 100% clear, but what is, is that Hillary would probably face two separate -criminal- investigations even before she could be inaugurated, if she’s elected.

One for the Clinton Foundation (pay-for-play), and one for her email server issue. About which, incidentally, Bret Baier at Fox said yesterday:

.. we learned there is a confidence from these sources [with intimate knowledge of the FBI investigations] that her server had been hacked. And that it was a 99% accuracy that it had been hacked by at least five foreign intelligence agencies, and that things had been taken from that…

It’s starting to feel like the nets are closing in on the Clintons. And they may hope that there’s just enough time to get the election and win it, but that may well turn out to be a Pyrrhic victory. US law has many provisions that shield the president from persecution, but even if she would get elected, Hillary wouldn’t be sworn in for another ten weeks or so.

If Hillary wins, it may feel like it’s open season on her, and there’s no one to blame but herself. She’s incurred the wrath of so many parties, it’s hard to keep track. Donald Trump may be the least of her worries.

One last word, and this on the Huma Abedin related emails on Anthony Weiner’s laptop. I see a lot of suggestions that no FBI agent has seen any of the mails, but that makes no sense. Comey would have never sent his letter to Congress on Friday if that were true. It might have gotten him accused of partisanship.

In reality, one or more agents have seen one or more mails. And they had permission for that. Note also that they had had access to the laptop for weeks before Comey’s letter. How much of the 650,000 they’ve seen we don’t know, but they’ve seen some. They had permission to read the mails, but under a warrant that pertained to the Weiner investigation, not the Hillary one.

Under the ‘Weiner warrant’, they undoubtedly read enough of them to know they’re hot stuff, and at some point someone decided reading any further would -for one thing- put the option of using them against Hillary at -grave- risk. This may well be a contentious point right now: how the evidence was obtained.

Whether Comey himself read anything is less clear: if they really kept him out of the loop for weeks because they were pissed off at him -as has been suggested-, perhaps not. But others have. And as we are seeing more and more, they are an angry bunch. In their eyes -and many others- Comey made a mistake, alright, but he did not do that last Friday. His huge error came in July, when he decided not to file charges against Hillary.

The July decision was probably due to a large extent to an ‘inner quarrel’ between the DOJ and FBI, and now that’s out in the open, it’s the classic genie and the bottle tale. It’ll be interesting to see how much of that genie is going to come out before Tuesday.
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Re: Hillary Clinton is Seriously Dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Nov 03, 2016 12:22 pm

LET THE IMPEACHMENT BEGIN!


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It is their purpose in life

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