Abandoning rational discussion on climate change

[Belligerent Savant]

@_Escapekey_

Digging though Climategate; appears NASA not only stonewalled FOIA requests as well, but applied same statistical fraud, and that -

‘‘NASA and Goddard were forced to correct the record in 2007 to show that 1934, decades before the old SUV (Standardized Uptake Value), was in fact the warmest..."

Congressional Record Excerpts:




Links to Congressional Records:

https://web.archive.org/web/20161129141 ... H13613.pdf

https://web.archive.org/web/20161129025 ... gS1492.pdf

2018, IPCC, Executive Summary, page 3:
"The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system, and therefore the LONG-TERM PREDICTION Of Future CLIMATE STATES is Not possible."
https://ipcc.ch/site/assets/uploads/2018/03/TAR-14.pdf

https://x.com/_Escapekey_/status/1838666831181054454

[Belligerent Savant]

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I for one no longer subscribe to the notion that human activity has any notable impact on 'climate change'.

This is not a position I previously held, but I hold it now, for myriad reasons, after several years of assessment.

There is no sound data that points to human activity as a primary driver of 'climate change'.

Faulty models are no longer compelling (they never should have been).

Human activity cause pollution? Certainly. But again, that's not climate change.

It may well be that the Earth is currently undergoing shifts and changes to its climate (and other environmental factors), but to presume that humans are principally responsible for it is highly presumptuous [and not based on objective, sober analysis].

Of course, as with any position I hold, it remains subject to change, and I will take ownership of the extent I (and many others -- this position is now no longer a 'minority' opinion but a growing one, and it includes many in the fields of Science as well) turn out to be wrong.

The actual reasons for any climate fluctuations aside, what remains 'clear as day' is that the 'solutions' offered to 'climate change' aren't scalable and cause net harms rather than benefit (to individual & collective economy, to livelihoods, and to agency, etc), while also transferring ever more wealth to a small few.

But i repeat myself.

It's increasingly apparent that most Presumed "FACTS" presented to the masses in the 20th and 21st centuries -- 'global warming', 'space travel', 'pandemics', among others -- are increasingly being exposed as largely fraudulent.


Subscribing to the notion that less than ~120 years of human industry has somehow caused IMMINENT ALARM and MASSIVE HARMS to the Earth -- an Earth that has handled scores (ages) of great variances in temperature and climate fluctuations -- is where (I believe) Arrogance, Hubris & Naivete reside.*


*Once again, I grant that my position may be wrong, in part or otherwise. I will take ownership of my 'wrongness', to the extent it can be reliably determined within our lifespans.
(I realize this position may create anxiety among those that firmly believe that TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE AND WE MUST ACT NOW TO STAVE OFF DOOM AND PERIL! I'm such a reckless gambler, eh?)

(moving the above to the current page)

[stickdog99]

Again, I am looking for common ground with everyone (other than our corrupt "elites") on this issue.

And in looking for this common ground, I assert that by far the most important factor in judging potential solutions to humanity's (real or imagined) energy generation crisis is that these solutions are decentralized and implemented by local populations rather than centralized and forced on people on a national or even supranational scale.

The biggest problem with the fervent article of faith that climate change is an "existential crisis" is that the more we all believe any crisis to be existential, the more we are willing to allow centralized power structures to curtail our fundamental human rights of free expression, free movement, and bodily autonomy to address these crises. And those we are fighting against for narrative control have a unified agenda to use any perceived crisis (again, real or imagined) to implement further encroachment on our privacy, further restriction of our individual rights, and further decimation of our quality of life in their fully branded and highly marketed War on Said Crisis.

To illustrate, conservation and conversion to renewable power typically works best on the individual and local level. Housing can be designed to be far more energy efficient. Hydroelectric power is the most cheap and efficient power in many localities. Solar gardens and wind turbines make sense for certain communities but not others. When you burn anything to heat your house, you could easily use that heat to drive turbines that generate electricity. And personal power needs of many individuals can even be supplemented by harnessing the energy generated by one's daily workout regimens. All of these local and individual solutions should be incentivized when they make sense.

While all of this technology currently exists, it simply is not being mass marketed or incentivized. Instead, all of the most publicized "solutions" emphasize centralized surveillance, monitoring, rationing, and control of all individual energy consumption. And no mention is made about the biggest current users of fossil fuels: the US military, other nations' militaries, the ridiculously inefficient shipping costs of rampant globalization, steel and aluminum production, cement and petrochemical production, etc.

Once all aircraft carriers, tanks, fighter jets, private jets and yachts are phased out, then and only then should we countenance any discussion whatsoever of allowing oligopolies to monitor and restrict the carbon footprints of all of us non-millionaires.

[Belligerent Savant]

And in looking for this common ground, I assert that by far the most important factor in judging potential solutions to humanity's (real or imagined) energy generation crisis is that these solutions are decentralized and implemented by local populations rather than centralized and forced on people on a national or even supranational scale.

The biggest problem with the fervent article of faith that climate change is an "existential crisis" is that the more we all believe any crisis to be existential, the more we are willing to allow centralized power structures to curtail our fundamental human rights of free expression, free movement, and bodily autonomy to address these crises. And those we are fighting against for narrative control have a unified agenda to use any perceived crisis (again, real or imagined) to implement further encroachment on our privacy, further restriction of our individual rights, and further decimation of our quality of life in their fully branded and highly marketed War on Said Crisis.

To illustrate, conservation and conversion to renewable power typically works best on the individual and local level. Housing can be designed to be far more energy efficient. Hydroelectric power is the most cheap and efficient power in many localities. Solar gardens and wind turbines make sense for certain communities but not others. When you burn anything to heat your house, you could easily use that heat to drive turbines that generate electricity. And personal power needs of many individuals can even be supplemented by harnessing the energy generated by one's daily workout regimens. All of these local and individual solutions should be incentivized when they make sense.

While all of this technology currently exists, it simply is not being mass marketed or incentivized. Instead, all of the most publicized "solutions" emphasize centralized surveillance, monitoring, rationing, and control of all individual energy consumption. And no mention is made about the biggest current users of fossil fuels: the US military, other nations' militaries, the ridiculously inefficient shipping costs of rampant globalization, steel and aluminum production, cement and petrochemical production, etc.

Once all aircraft carriers, tanks, fighter jets, private jets and yachts are phased out, then and only then should we countenance any discussion whatsoever of allowing oligopolies to monitor and restrict the carbon footprints of all of us non-millionaires.

Co-sign the substance of this and the sentiment. Sound and cogent observations.

(Although i must reiterate that I no longer subscribe to the notion that curbing "fossil fuels" -- emitted by entities or individuals of any wealth status or large-scale means -- will have any impact at all on climate/climate fluctuations.
But the fact that there is no apparent priority -- by the believers of such canards -- to focus on the larger-scale emitters of "fossil fuels" exposes them [in many but not all cases] as largely bereft of critical thinking on key issues*, driven to dutifully follow the 'current thing', as a Best Case scenario. Otherwise they are grifters and/or serial manipulators benefiting from these lies.)

*it remains absurd -- and they are mostly blind to the irony -- that many "climate alarmists" are ALSO big-time supporters of current war efforts in Israel and the Ukraine.

[Belligerent Savant]

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A breadcrumb for consideration, in addition to whatever HAARP tech may or may not be capable of doing, or the extent which such tech may be in use, in part or otherwise. The following patent application was initially filed in 2001, though the info below is dated 2003:

Hurricane and tornado control device


Abstract
A method is disclosed for affecting the formation and/or direction of a low atmospheric weather system. Audio generators are positioned to project sound waves toward a peripheral area of a weather system. The sound waves are generated at a frequency to affect the formation of the weather system in a manner to disrupt, enhance or direct the formation. The sound waves can also be projected in a manner to cause the system to produce rain.





Claims (12)

I claim:
1. A method of affecting the formation and direction of a weather system comprising:
locating a low atmospheric weather system having the potential to develop into a storm, said weather system having winds rotating in an observed direction; and
projecting high decibel sound waves toward a peripheral area of said weather system, whereby to affect the formation and direction of said weather system.
2. A method according to claim 1 wherein the winds of said weather system rotate at a higher velocity in a central area of said system and at a lower velocity at said peripheral area of said system and said sound waves are projected at said peripheral area where said winds have a velocity of about ten mph.
3. A method according to claim 2, wherein said sound waves are projected at a frequency range of 100-2000 Hz.
4. A method according to claim 3, wherein said weather system has the potential to develop into a destructive storm and said high decibel sound waves are projected countercurrent to said observed direction whereby to disrupt the formation of said weather system.
5. A method according to claim 4, wherein said destructive storm is a hurricane.
6. A method according to claim 4, wherein said destructive storm is a tornado.
7. A method according to claim 3, wherein said weather system has the potential to develop into a destructive storm and said high decibel sound waves are projected concurrently to said observed direction whereby to enhance the formation of said weather system.
8. A method according to claim 7, wherein said destructive storm is a hurricane.
9. A method according to claim 7, wherein said destructive storm is a tornado.
10. A method of affecting the formation a weather system comprising:
locating a low atmospheric weather system having the potential to produce rain; and
projecting high decibel sound waves toward said weather system, whereby to cause rain to emanate from said weather system.
11. A method according to claim 10, including the step of projecting said sound waves at a frequency range of between one thousand to thousand fps.
12. A method according to claim 11, including the step of projecting said sound waves at an angle which would induce a rotational vector in the system having a partial rotational waddle of about five hundred to two thousand fpm.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030085296A1/en

Another nugget, related, which includes a bit more info on the above patent application; the below was published recently, but prior to the recent Hurricane(s) that caused unprecedented devastation to mountainous regions in N.Carolina (and elsewhere). Note the date of this article:

Patent Granted for a System That Manipulates Hurricanes
Michael Dot Scott

Published: August 5, 2024

Although it sounds like science fiction or a conspiracy theory, weather manipulation technology already exists on a certain level.

The most well known of this technology being cloud seeding.

Technology described as a "manual processes to moderate weather" has allegedly been granted an official patent from the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

Oh, and according to the patent, other than the Federal Government, three other big investors on this project are 21st Century Fox, The Walt Disney Company, and The Vatican.

Grab your best tinfoil hat and let's dive in...

Before we go any further, we just want to make clear that a patent does not necessarily mean that weather is being manipulated. It just means that an official patent exists, and the patent we're about to talk about was officially backed by Federal Government amongst others.

Read More: Patent Granted for a System That Manipulates Hurricanes | https://talkradio960.com/patent-granted ... m=referral

Are There Ways To Control The Weather?

Talking about controlling the weather sounds pretty unhinged, but while we don't currently have methods for controlling weather in a consistent and precise way, there have been some efforts and technologies developed to influence weather patterns.

Cloud Seeding: This is the most well-known and widely used method for attempting to modify weather.

It involves dispersing things like silver iodide or sodium chloride into the air to encourage cloud formation and precipitation.

Cloud Seeding is used to increase rainfall, reduce hail, and clear fog, especially around airports.

Hail Cannons: These devices produce shock waves to disrupt the formation of hailstones.

While their effectiveness is debated, some farmers use them to protect crops from hail damage.

Forest and Vegetation Management: Large-scale planting of trees and vegetation can affect local weather patterns by increasing humidity and influencing rainfall.

If you're from Louisiana, that might sound pretty familiar to you.

Ever notice how often you see a stormy weather system heading for Acadiana sometimes break up around Lafayette?

Cities inadvertently affect weather patterns through the heat generated by buildings, vehicles, and other infrastructure. This can lead to localized weather changes, such as increased rainfall downwind of urban areas.

All of the above mentioned techniques really do more to influence weather rather than control it, and come with significant limitations.

Growing up in South Louisiana, we've all talked about and theorized ways to keep hurricanes from hitting our coast.

Having an actual way to control and manipulate hurricanes away from Louisiana is absolute crazy talk anyway, right?

Well...maybe not according inventor Andrew Waxmanski, of Chipley, Florida.

Andrew Waxmanski Hurricane And Tornado Control Device

Andrew Waxmanski was an inventor from Florida who developed a few different devices over his lifetime such as a spring loaded fishing device and a shoe rack stack.

He was granted a patent for his shoe rack stack invention on August 17, 1976.

However, it was the patent he filed on November 2, 2001 that is the most intriguing of all.

The official name of his invention filed with the U.S. patent office on November 2, 2001 is "HURRICANE AND TORNADO CONTROL
DEVICE".

...
Inventor Andrew Waxmanski passed away in 2007, leaving his "Hurricane and Tornado Control Device" patent listed as "Abandonded" according to the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

However, this is where a guy named Olatunbosun Osinaike steps in.

According to the USPTO, inventor Osinaike was in fact granted a patent for a "manual processes to moderate weather" in April of 2023.

Olatunbosun Osinaike Sound Waves Patent

Officially titled as "Propagating sound through bodies of water, to generate and direct wind, for the purpose of moderating and affecting weather patterns" on the US patent website, is basically the same concept of disrupting, manipulating, and steering weather systems such as hurricanes and tornadoes.

Also disclosed are the investors involved in Osinaike's patent.



From patents.justia.com -

"Applicant inventor Olatunbosun Osinaike disclosed the invention to 21st Century Fox, and the Walt Disney Company on Oct. 10, 2018, for partnership with the Advocate Aurora Venture Fund, and the Catholic Church."

According to recent video posted by @SundayCoolTees, Osinaike is allegedly claiming the U.S. Government is currently using his technology without his permission, and he claims they used it on Hurricane Beryl.

You can see the official patent filing on this sound wave technology by Waxmanski HERE and the patent grant to Osinaike HERE.

Below is the YouTube short video and the long form video about all of this.

The hurricane talk in the longer video starts at 26:46.
...

https://talkradio960.com/patent-granted ... urricanes/

[Grizzly]

https://youtu.be/-A2Ji58OFQE?si=imSnuJqSB5YqdCZ5




https://www.instagram.com/reel/DAl8mr-PPsH/

Both Carolina Still in Chaos: "People are literally dying by the day here and it can all be fixed with Helicopters. It’s like our Government wants these people to die.”

https://www.wsmv.com/2024/10/02/tema-denies-personnel-are-confiscating-supplies-east-tennessee/


https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/com ... red_cross/
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Experienced pilot rescuing flood victims in NC ordered to stop, threatened with arrest.

The Biden regime is reportedly confiscating donations made directly to Hurricane survivors. FEMA’s DEI mandate requires donations be given out based on membership in a protected class.

FEMA is focused on DEI and all their resources are allocated for BLM and fighting White supremacy. So, European-Americans have to die because the government hates them.

Nearby troops are told to stand down and wait in case Israel needs them.

DEI switched around is DIE. The government is full of treasonous, psychopathic, satanic murderers

Lastly:
https://x.com/chrismartenson/status/1841636020187431216

Lots of dead getting bulldozed along with buildings in Chimney Rock, North Carolina?

bs or real? any boots on the ground?

[stickdog99]

[Grizzly]

^^^
yup...

https://x.com/SenseReceptor/status/1842025812058411358

"Natural event that got steered"....Catherine Austin Fitts

[Joe Hillshoist]

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A breadcrumb for consideration, in addition to whatever HAARP tech may or may not be capable of doing, or the extent which such tech may be in use, in part or otherwise. The following patent application was initially filed in 2001, though the info below is dated 2003:

Hurricane and tornado control device


Abstract
A method is disclosed for affecting the formation and/or direction of a low atmospheric weather system. Audio generators are positioned to project sound waves toward a peripheral area of a weather system. The sound waves are generated at a frequency to affect the formation of the weather system in a manner to disrupt, enhance or direct the formation. The sound waves can also be projected in a manner to cause the system to produce rain.





Claims (12)

I claim:
1. A method of affecting the formation and direction of a weather system comprising:
locating a low atmospheric weather system having the potential to develop into a storm, said weather system having winds rotating in an observed direction; and
projecting high decibel sound waves toward a peripheral area of said weather system, whereby to affect the formation and direction of said weather system.
2. A method according to claim 1 wherein the winds of said weather system rotate at a higher velocity in a central area of said system and at a lower velocity at said peripheral area of said system and said sound waves are projected at said peripheral area where said winds have a velocity of about ten mph.
3. A method according to claim 2, wherein said sound waves are projected at a frequency range of 100-2000 Hz.
4. A method according to claim 3, wherein said weather system has the potential to develop into a destructive storm and said high decibel sound waves are projected countercurrent to said observed direction whereby to disrupt the formation of said weather system.
5. A method according to claim 4, wherein said destructive storm is a hurricane.
6. A method according to claim 4, wherein said destructive storm is a tornado.
7. A method according to claim 3, wherein said weather system has the potential to develop into a destructive storm and said high decibel sound waves are projected concurrently to said observed direction whereby to enhance the formation of said weather system.
8. A method according to claim 7, wherein said destructive storm is a hurricane.
9. A method according to claim 7, wherein said destructive storm is a tornado.
10. A method of affecting the formation a weather system comprising:
locating a low atmospheric weather system having the potential to produce rain; and
projecting high decibel sound waves toward said weather system, whereby to cause rain to emanate from said weather system.
11. A method according to claim 10, including the step of projecting said sound waves at a frequency range of between one thousand to thousand fps.
12. A method according to claim 11, including the step of projecting said sound waves at an angle which would induce a rotational vector in the system having a partial rotational waddle of about five hundred to two thousand fpm.

https://patents.google.com/patent/US20030085296A1/en

Another nugget, related, which includes a bit more info on the above patent application; the below was published recently, but prior to the recent Hurricane(s) that caused unprecedented devastation to mountainous regions in N.Carolina (and elsewhere). Note the date of this article:

Patent Granted for a System That Manipulates Hurricanes
Michael Dot Scott

Published: August 5, 2024

Although it sounds like science fiction or a conspiracy theory, weather manipulation technology already exists on a certain level.

The most well known of this technology being cloud seeding.

Technology described as a "manual processes to moderate weather" has allegedly been granted an official patent from the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

Oh, and according to the patent, other than the Federal Government, three other big investors on this project are 21st Century Fox, The Walt Disney Company, and The Vatican.

Grab your best tinfoil hat and let's dive in...

Before we go any further, we just want to make clear that a patent does not necessarily mean that weather is being manipulated. It just means that an official patent exists, and the patent we're about to talk about was officially backed by Federal Government amongst others.

Read More: Patent Granted for a System That Manipulates Hurricanes | https://talkradio960.com/patent-granted ... m=referral

Are There Ways To Control The Weather?

Talking about controlling the weather sounds pretty unhinged, but while we don't currently have methods for controlling weather in a consistent and precise way, there have been some efforts and technologies developed to influence weather patterns.

Cloud Seeding: This is the most well-known and widely used method for attempting to modify weather.

It involves dispersing things like silver iodide or sodium chloride into the air to encourage cloud formation and precipitation.

Cloud Seeding is used to increase rainfall, reduce hail, and clear fog, especially around airports.

Hail Cannons: These devices produce shock waves to disrupt the formation of hailstones.

While their effectiveness is debated, some farmers use them to protect crops from hail damage.

Forest and Vegetation Management: Large-scale planting of trees and vegetation can affect local weather patterns by increasing humidity and influencing rainfall.

If you're from Louisiana, that might sound pretty familiar to you.

Ever notice how often you see a stormy weather system heading for Acadiana sometimes break up around Lafayette?

Cities inadvertently affect weather patterns through the heat generated by buildings, vehicles, and other infrastructure. This can lead to localized weather changes, such as increased rainfall downwind of urban areas.

All of the above mentioned techniques really do more to influence weather rather than control it, and come with significant limitations.

Growing up in South Louisiana, we've all talked about and theorized ways to keep hurricanes from hitting our coast.

Having an actual way to control and manipulate hurricanes away from Louisiana is absolute crazy talk anyway, right?

Well...maybe not according inventor Andrew Waxmanski, of Chipley, Florida.

Andrew Waxmanski Hurricane And Tornado Control Device

Andrew Waxmanski was an inventor from Florida who developed a few different devices over his lifetime such as a spring loaded fishing device and a shoe rack stack.

He was granted a patent for his shoe rack stack invention on August 17, 1976.

However, it was the patent he filed on November 2, 2001 that is the most intriguing of all.

The official name of his invention filed with the U.S. patent office on November 2, 2001 is "HURRICANE AND TORNADO CONTROL
DEVICE".

...
Inventor Andrew Waxmanski passed away in 2007, leaving his "Hurricane and Tornado Control Device" patent listed as "Abandonded" according to the United States Patent and Trademark Office.

However, this is where a guy named Olatunbosun Osinaike steps in.

According to the USPTO, inventor Osinaike was in fact granted a patent for a "manual processes to moderate weather" in April of 2023.

Olatunbosun Osinaike Sound Waves Patent

Officially titled as "Propagating sound through bodies of water, to generate and direct wind, for the purpose of moderating and affecting weather patterns" on the US patent website, is basically the same concept of disrupting, manipulating, and steering weather systems such as hurricanes and tornadoes.

Also disclosed are the investors involved in Osinaike's patent.



From patents.justia.com -

"Applicant inventor Olatunbosun Osinaike disclosed the invention to 21st Century Fox, and the Walt Disney Company on Oct. 10, 2018, for partnership with the Advocate Aurora Venture Fund, and the Catholic Church."

According to recent video posted by @SundayCoolTees, Osinaike is allegedly claiming the U.S. Government is currently using his technology without his permission, and he claims they used it on Hurricane Beryl.

You can see the official patent filing on this sound wave technology by Waxmanski HERE and the patent grant to Osinaike HERE.

Below is the YouTube short video and the long form video about all of this.

The hurricane talk in the longer video starts at 26:46.
...

https://talkradio960.com/patent-granted ... urricanes/

If you are suggesting this hurricane was steered using this system then you are talking absolute garbage.

[Elihu]

If you are suggesting this hurricane was steered using this system then you are talking absolute garbage.

what is it you object to? that "this" hurricane could have been steered? or that steering hurricanes is impossible? if the latter be sure to dog-pile jeff wells for inquiring into the same thing about katrina years ago.

[stickdog99]

Here's may take on this.

Whether all of these "natural" disasters are natural or not, the unnatural non-responses of any and all government entities to needs of those suffering from the effects of these disasters are telling.

Are any of our remaining completely hollowed out social institutions doing anything significant to help those suffering? Hell, we know that that the residents of Flint, Michigan were purposefully poisoned when their clean and healthy water supply was switched from Detroit to the contaminated Flint River.

Meanwhile, just 100 miles away:

https://www.propublica.org/article/mich ... tmer-flint

And here we are 10 years later, and hundreds if not thousands of residents of Flint, MI still do not have potable running water.

Whether its MIHOP or LIHOP, the constant in this is our social institutions' continual flogging of the victims.

[Joe Hillshoist]

If you are suggesting this hurricane was steered using this system then you are talking absolute garbage.

what is it you object to? that "this" hurricane could have been steered? or that steering hurricanes is impossible? if the latter be sure to dog-pile jeff wells for inquiring into the same thing about katrina years ago.

Exactly what i said. That using sound waves in the range of human hearing had anything to do with what happened in this hurricane.

Do you know how HAARP works or what scalar tech was sposed to be and how it worked? Cos once upon a time there were a few of us on this site who understood that stuff but there is no on else here now with a clue about it. Twenty years ago on old poster here found the oil company and CIA connections of people who promoted those ideas too.

Its possible some manipulation happened. Like with Katrina. But there's no conclusive evidence.

Its funny tho cos the people that promote these ideas also claim global warming isn't happening despite this entire century having worse and costlier disasters year after year. People put up outright bullshit like the list of failed predictions upthread without even checking them. Just take them on faith like a fucking religion. Then claim everyone else is being dogmatic about stuff.

I would suggest that if you want people to take the idea of weather manipulation seriously don't post stupid patents that a 13 can pick the flaw in within minutes.

Of course if you want to promote the idea that anyone who considers weather manipulation could be possible is a complete fucken idiot then that type of data is perfect.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Here's may take on this.

Whether all of these "natural" disasters are natural or not, the unnatural non-responses of any and all government entities to needs of those suffering from the effects of these disasters are telling.

Are any of our remaining completely hollowed out social institutions doing anything significant to help those suffering? Hell, we know that that the residents of Flint, Michigan were purposefully poisoned when their clean and healthy water supply was switched from Detroit to the contaminated Flint River.

Meanwhile, just 100 miles away:

https://www.propublica.org/article/mich ... tmer-flint

And here we are 10 years later, and hundreds if not thousands of residents of Flint, MI still do not have potable running water.

Whether its MIHOP or LIHOP, the constant in this is our social institutions' continual flogging of the victims.

I completely agree with this.

I live in a country where people still are either homeless or living in internal refugee camps after the flooding in Lismore in 2022 and yet my federal government thinks its okay to spend money on sending weapons components and war fighting equipment to Israel and Ukraine.

What the fuck sort of priorities are they?

[Elihu]

Exactly what i said. That using sound waves in the range of human hearing had anything to do with what happened in this hurricane.

Do you know how HAARP works or what scalar tech was sposed to be and how it worked? Cos once upon a time there were a few of us on this site who understood that stuff but there is no on else here now with a clue about it. Twenty years ago on old poster here found the oil company and CIA connections of people who promoted those ideas too.

Its possible some manipulation happened. Like with Katrina. But there's no conclusive evidence.

was right there with you and then this is where you lost me because it changed the subject

Its funny tho cos the people that promote these ideas also claim global warming isn't happening despite this entire century having worse and costlier disasters year after yearreally?. People put up outright bullshit like the list of failed predictions upthread without even checking themwere they wrong or weren't they? it's been a long time now. Just take them on faith like a fucking religion. Then claim everyone else is being dogmatic about stuff.
I would suggest that if you want people to take the idea of weather manipulation seriously don't post stupid patents that a 13 can pick the flaw in within minutes.

Of course if you want to promote the idea that anyone who considers weather manipulation could be possible is a complete fucken idiot then that type of data is perfect.back to question at hand i say

what are we arguing about anyway? let's just say it outright: what laws are the politicians going to pass? or not pass i hope and pray

[Belligerent Savant]

Exactly what i said. That using sound waves in the range of human hearing had anything to do with what happened in this hurricane.

Do you know how HAARP works or what scalar tech was sposed to be and how it worked? Cos once upon a time there were a few of us on this site who understood that stuff but there is no on else here now with a clue about it. Twenty years ago on old poster here found the oil company and CIA connections of people who promoted those ideas too.

Its possible some manipulation happened. Like with Katrina. But there's no conclusive evidence.

was right there with you and then this is where you lost me because it changed the subject

Its funny tho cos the people that promote these ideas also claim global warming isn't happening despite this entire century having worse and costlier disasters year after yearreally?. People put up outright bullshit like the list of failed predictions upthread without even checking themwere they wrong or weren't they? it's been a long time now. Just take them on faith like a fucking religion. Then claim everyone else is being dogmatic about stuff.
I would suggest that if you want people to take the idea of weather manipulation seriously don't post stupid patents that a 13 can pick the flaw in within minutes.

Of course if you want to promote the idea that anyone who considers weather manipulation could be possible is a complete fucken idiot then that type of data is perfect.back to question at hand i say

what are we arguing about anyway? let's just say it outright: what laws are the politicians going to pass? or not pass i hope and pray

Joe H:
You're misframing/misinterpreting, at least the positions held by a subset of voices on this topic. I've typed here multiple times that there may well be forms of 'climate change' occurring. The deep flaw is the faulty notion that the primary driver of current climate fluctuations is due to CO2, particularly human-generated CO2.
This is a deeply flawed/faulty premise, based almost entirely on faulty models and statistics. I shared comments/postings upthread and/or in prior pages here with ample commentary by those that study climate and are in agreement that CO2 is NOT a primary (or even notable) driver of climate change. So it's not a fringe position. At least not for those willing to think critically and soberly.

While we can't definitively know for certain that weather is being manipulated to some degree, available data/weather modification tech certainly adds credence to such theories, particularly with respect to influencing the direction and/or intensity of certain storm patterns within a targeted locale. But the reality is neither YOU NOR I can state one way or the other with any measure of full confidence.

As far as this notion that storms are causing more harms than in prior years? That's pure rubbish, as the Brits like to say. Yours is a myopic and subjective take.

A few breadcrumbs for consideration:















Amazing how easily many humans that consider themselves smart fall prey to fear-mongering tactics. We've observed this in SPADES in the years 2020 - 2022 (and ongoing...)