Fuck Ron Paul

[anonymoose]

Racists view individuals as members of a "group". That's how they rationalize their racist viewpoint. How is it "sinister" to simply point that out? Paul explains racism perfectly.

He explains racism in a simplistic way that is used by white supremacists to rationalize their own positions.

[rothbardian]

I guess I'm not following your thought-- Paul's statement makes perfect sense. This is EXACTLY how racism works-- lumping a bunch of people into one category.

[Joe Hillshoist]

So Government, a historically corrupt institution, is how we should come together?

Exactly. That's why I don't understand the desire for socialized medicine. Has the government ever not fucked something up? Giving government control of health care is insane. We should change the system, but find an option other than this.

Full blown socialism sucks. Localization is the key. Decentralize and let the local levels provide social programs how the locals need it.

Yep. Well said.

A point about socialized medecine.

My wife had an epileptic seizure at the bottom of a ravine in, effectively, a jungle.

Paramedics at the scene couldn't stabilise her, she was at least an hour from the nearest hospital.

Within an hour she was in the best medical care for that situation in the world. She had to be induced into a coma to stop the seizures, and spent a week in hospital, at times the care was a bit frustrating re info, but at no time was it ever poor. It was always excellent, only the info fllow was problematic.

I didn't have to pay a cent or fill in a form, and neither did she in that entire period, or afterward. Well she filled in 1 form to acknowledge her treatment.

As far as I am concerned there is no better system than that.

Why should I have to get medical insurance (as if I'd trust insurance companies anyway, they exist to make a profit, not provide care), I pay taxes. Thats why - so things like that can happen. I have no problem paying taxes so other people get the same benefits. Thats what community is all about.

Sure socialised medecine has some problems (mostly with funding in Australia, but the reason for that is obvious, our federal govt, responsible for funding to health care providers, in this case state govts) has an ideological desire to end socialised or state provided medecine. But compared to the options I have seen (ie no medical care in the "third world" or the way the US does it) it wins hands down.

[anonymoose]

This is EXACTLY how racism works-- lumping a bunch of people into one category.

This is true, BUT it elides the true scope of racism, and its legacy of centuries of white supremacy. Considering racism as an abstract construct like that, without considering the actual effect it's had in the world, does no one any favors but the white supremacists themselves.

[Corvidaerex]

Fuck Ron Paul.

[John E. Nemo]

Ron Paul EXPOSED !!!!

I finally figured out why people trust Ron Paul.
It's because he looks and sounds like Frank Perdue!!

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"It takes a tough man to make a tender Libertarian ! !"

Did you know...
Frank Perdue's chicken slogan, "It takes a strong man to make a tender chicken," was translated into Spanish as "it takes an aroused man to make a chicken affectionate."

[theeKultleeder]

Glad to see this thread back on the front page...

I keep trying to listen to Paul on C-Span, but I can't understand a word he's saying.

It's like trying to follow a Marxist.

[monster]

I keep trying to listen to Paul on C-Span, but I can't understand a word he's saying.

Yeah even though I like what he's saying, his whiny tone of voice puts me off.

I already bought a Ron Paul t-shirt though, so I guess I'm in it to win it.

[FourthBase]

Wake the fuck up people and abandon this asshole immediately.

[11:11]

Ron Paul does the unmentionable - speaks of Israel's nuclear weapons!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xW4ApU9ot9k

[FourthBase]

Q for Paulists:

Why Ron Paul and NOT Kucinich?

[11:11]

Q for Paulists:

Why Ron Paul and NOT Kucinich?

I love Kucinich (and he and RP are friends) but Dennis is anti 2nd amendment. In the face of total enslavement, what the insane people in Washington are moving toward, the last line of defense is an armed citizenry. Google JPFO+Genocide. Of course, they could release some bio-weapon on us, in which case we're screwed.

[slow_dazzle]

(See quote below)

If RP, or any other anti-war candidate for that matter, is elected the US economy will implode. And it will take others down with it. This is why I said we are screwed in response to another post yesterday. It's not a pleasant thought. However, the west's economies are dependent upon military adventures, support of client states and so on. The US, in particular, CANNOT turn back from empire without major economic fallout because. The dollar IS oil. It isn't anything else except a real estate, pretend economic boom and financial smoke and mirrors.

If he followed through on his promises of no foreign military adventures and enacted any legislation to legalise/decriminalise drugs, the US economy would collapse. The US economy is a war/military economy and the fake war on drugs is necessary to lubricate the US banking system as well as providing the raw material for one of the US's few growth industries; private prisons.

This is why any candidate who is anti-war and who might kill the golden goose of the drug trade cannot be allowed to win, irrespective of their political hue.

Good questions for RP would be "How will the US economy continue to operate, at even idle speed, if US military spending plummets (corporate welfare), the US military is not able to guarantee oil supplies and the essential pegging of the dollar to oil and the opium crops are destroyed?"
The year before the Afghan invasion the Taliban had virtually eradicated opium production; now it has climbed by around 3200%. Saddam had switched to the euro for oil transactions before he was invaded, although that's not the sole reason for the invasion (there were rumours of at least one other big OPEC country following Iraq's move away from dollars for oil transactions).

The US is living on thin air as RP correctly points out as regards debt. What he cannot answer is how the fuck the US economy will even tick over if the hundred-plus military bases worldwide are withdrawn, client states cannot be supported and the US loses its current choke hold on oil supply.

He talks nice and folksy. He ignores the fact that the US economy is a military economy that absolutely must maintain a worldwide military presence. The US cannot turn back from that path or it will just become another country amongst many.

[11:11]

While we need to find alternative energy, because of pollution, environmental damage, and the oil oligarchy, the US has enough oil and gas to be completely independent while we work out other means.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk

[theeKultleeder]

Yeah, but the US is now in a state of over-extended empire. The military-industrial complex is what's keeping our economy alive at all. s_d has a very depressing point.

I would like to see all foreign military bases turned into free hospitals and schools. Yes schools. Then, the people can choose between US-style secular education and madrasas and other fundamentalist institutions.

If the free-marketeers have anything right, it's that the American consumer culture is bankable. Let's turn all war into a psyop and spread liberal (not politically liberal) culture and conquer people that way.

Then, subversives like us can move in