Aliens, Culture Control & the End of Dream's End

[mentalgongfu2]

The game called Go Insane

[Joe Hillshoist]

Wow, cheers.

Really I'm just a screw up pothead living in the bush tho.




(There's too many people being nice to me today. I can't handle it.)

[Crow]

It's true, Joe. You are rather kickass. I'd been thinking that myself lately.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Thanks alot crow.

The truth is I have got a lot out of this forum.

I'd really like to think I do put something worthwhile back into it.

What you and barracuda said, it means alot to me. A few other people have said similar things in the last few days.

Cheers.

[hanshan]

Thanks alot crow.

The truth is I have got a lot out of this forum.

I'd really like to think I do put something worthwhile back into it.

What you and barracuda said, it means alot to me. A few other people have said similar things in the last few days.

Cheers.

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same


always try to find time fer one a yours


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(on edit) sorry for spreading the thead


don't have time to fixit

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[Avalon]

I think a lot of us value your contributions and perspective, Joe.

[Searcher08]

<bump> For the Anna Gaskell connections...

[guruilla]

Yeah, this is well timely. Guess I need to catch up; so much for quitting RI...

Now, yesterday I ran away from the TD/JB/DE stuff because I didn't want to touch it, but let me try something here.


To start, it seemed like the thesis Dream's End had was that, generally, our culture was being controlled to go in a specific direction. He suggested that the alien abduction phenomena was a cover story for the MK-ULTRA shenanigans.

Personally, I have trouble understanding the need for a cover story, because the mind-control projects are on the history books. But then again, I might be "misunderestimating" the degree to which people need to be passively informed, 20/20 style, rather than just researching a historical topic themselves. And the general theory of disinformation is such that just this morning that, e.g., someone referred to Mark Ames's expose of Rick Santelli's "Tea Party"--which was coordinated and funded by the Koch family (CNBC has just started a small campaign to remove any link between itself and the "Tea Party" garbage)--but someone called Ames's story, as corroborated by CNBC, a "conspiracy theory"! Catching crooks red-handed is a "conspiracy theory" now. It would be like if you taped OJ Simpson dragging two corpses from his house and the defense objected to the evidence on grounds of it being a conspiracy theory, and the objection was sustained. We all know that even calling something a conspiracy theory is a death-kiss. William F. Buckley started to accuse Noam Chomsky of being a conspiracy theorist, and to his credit Chomsky just kept talking over Buckley since he knew where that exercise would have led.

Now I haven't gotten to my point, but I'm about to.

Now, this is just a theory. Rank speculation, "conspiracy" theory save it's not necessarily a conspiracy. "Hoax or conspiracy theory" for certain, though. So, Dream's End starts looking closely at a topic and comes to a conclusion, that the "alien" craze really covers up the acute part of a campaign of mind control, one that involved all manner of abuse that would be fitting for Jonestown. He also suggests--like HMW, but more calmly and believably--that there's a larger cultural mind control project** that is, in some ways, different from all previous cultures' means of generating consensus. I'm not sure if I agree with that latter bit, but still. And then Dream's End runs into the Theresa Duncan/Jeremy Blake fiasco.

Someone--be they a loan hoaxer, a group of hoaxers, the unintentioned internet "researcher" teams, CIA agents, third-generation SRI interns, etc., is actively monitoring and policing the Theresa Duncan paramaterials and discussion, and leaving bread crumbs out, in a ghoulish manner. Cocoaandtruffles's website, even assuming that "Ana Graham" is her real name, has at least one person showing up making comments like "Looks like Natalee" or posing as "Susan Holloway," referencing the same "missing blonde" syndrome. Can we think of another missing (bottle) blonde? Ms. Duncan, maybe? Whoever is maintaining the strange loop has a literary imagination, that's certain.

Having viewed the header image of the Serpo website, I think there may be something to the abduction cover for the MK.

And as a warning, assuming that the standard Duncan/Blake suicide narrative is accurate, it goes to show that no amount of postmodern glibness can protect you from some pretty simple intimidation and gaslighting techniques.

Which gets me to my point. It's a strange attractor and a strange loop. But how does the attractor stay working? Someone maintains it. But let's take a clue from Info-Security guys: Always assume the worst possible scenario. It's a honey-pot. A piece of fly paper.

Which gets to the next point: Who hung the fly paper? It caught Dream's End. In fact, from what I can gather, he was veritably gas-lighted. It isn't hard to do. So, what did DE do that was so worth catching? And was it anyone's intention to catch him? Or just his own neuroses? Check out a line from DE earlier that goes something like (I'm paraphrasing) "movies, books and even bumper stickers are the greatest conspiracy of all time, our culture is being steered and SRI published the manual."

It may just be that DE got fucked with by the same sort of psychopaths that would fuck with people, like the "MySpace Bullies". And his subject matter touched on child abuse, and if you've known anyone who has been abused, they're seriously fucked up individuals--in part, the type of people who might get involved in such a campaign, either for self-aggrandizement or because--maybe--they're being MC'd. I'm not totally comfortable with that conclusion but I'll throw it out there.



Make of all this what you will.

[slomo]

So, and I have to ask, is there a subtle suggestion that PG is an ARG not unlike the Theresa Duncan rabbit hole, only on a wider scale?

I could actually believe that. (I and others have suggested as much on the "What's Happening" thread.)

One clue, reminiscent of "Ana Graham", is the strange similarity between "James Alefantis" and "J'aime les enfants". Another: the way the "clues" dribble in, seemingly leading somewhere but always leading nowhere.

I do believe there's a fire somewhere. How can there not be, at the power center of the world, when the existence of so many other well-organized rings has been confirmed? And when the Pentagon itself has been implicated in mass downloading of CP? But the smoke we're seeing could all be manufactured, designed to lead us to a rabbit hole that has no exit, away from the real fire.

[Joe Hillshoist]

So, and I have to ask, is there a subtle suggestion that PG is an ARG not unlike the Theresa Duncan rabbit hole, only on a wider scale?

I could actually believe that. (I and others have suggested as much on the "What's Happening" thread.)

One clue, reminiscent of "Ana Graham", is the strange similarity between "James Alefantis" and "J'aime les enfants". Another: the way the "clues" dribble in, seemingly leading somewhere but always leading nowhere.

I do believe there's a fire somewhere. How can there not be, at the power center of the world, when the existence of so many other well-organized rings has been confirmed? And when the Pentagon itself has been implicated in mass downloading of CP? But the smoke we're seeing could all be manufactured, designed to lead us to a rabbit hole that has no exit, away from the real fire.

OP Ed keeps mentioning someone else that the whole PG clusterfuck keeps not referencing.

DE did some very interesting work on social control.

have you or guruilla read this:

DREAM’S END ON KIT GREEN: CIA, Duncan/Blake Mystery, Mind Control, Puthoff and Targ, Scientology, SRI/Changing Images of Man

??

[guruilla]

From what I've picked up along the way (I wasn't around RI in 2009 & never investigated the Theremy ARG), there's quite a few connections that may or may not be coming to light via Pizzagate, one of the most obvious & interesting of which is Podesta's involvement in the UFO (or UAP) disclosure project.

The assumption that something being an ARG implies there isn't a reality behind it is probably erroneous, and not only because ARGs can lead to this-reality behaviors and consequences, but because part of the facilitation of real world agendas can & does entail the creation of ARGs. What are Ufology or Occultism if not ARGS? What's the whole of culture?

But I need to take time to read this thread. Looks like I picked the wrong time to quit RI



[Edit: I was at RI from 2008, as Aeolus Kephas, but I didn't participate much and I never witnessed the DE flame wars]

[Joe Hillshoist]

It wasn't just DE flame wars.

Read the link.

DE appears to have uncovered a major cultural control project aimed at promoting various "new age " ideas. The project was run by elite thinkers and the us mil/intel establishment especially iirc naval intelligence. It also involved scientology. It involved "remote viewing" and it involved cutting edge technology. This is what brought him to the attention of the wrong people. Its hard to argue with what he deduced about much of the new age movement.

Its not the only time its happened here either. people have been set up on more than one occasion. The intitals JG should remind some people.

[guruilla]

It wasn't just DE flame wars.

Read the link.

DE appears to have uncovered a major cultural control project aimed at promoting various "new age " ideas. The project was run by elite thinkers and the us mil/intel establishment especially iirc naval intelligence. It also involved scientology. It involved "remote viewing" and it involved cutting edge technology. This is what brought him to the attention of the wrong people. Its hard to argue with what he deduced about much of the new age movement.

Its not the only time its happened here either. people have been set up on more than one occasion. The intitals JG should remind some people.

Thanks. AFAIK I've read all DE work that's still online and even restored some of it here: http://auticulture.com/wp-content/uploa ... f-Doom.pdf

To large degree Prisoner of Infinity picked up where Ty dropped the thread. Whatever caused DE to get targeted, if he was, is still unclear, IMO.

[Joe Hillshoist]

wow - thanks for that.

There is some stuff on the wayback machine too. Most of it starts with the Duncan thing tho.

[elfismiles]

So ... I was looking for a thread to post to about another ARG I've just been made aware of that is noteworthy perhaps ... but that's gonna go into a different thread here:

ParaViral Marketing Master Thread
by elfismiles » 06 Jan 2014
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37595

But in looking for that thread I saw that this thread had been posted into recently.

RE: Changing Images of Man ... I'm acquaintances with one of the futurist authors of that book - he lives here in Austin. He's very much a believer in the sense of modern New Age Spiritual Contactee types.

Online PDF of Changing Images...
http://www.imaginalvisioning.com/changi ... es-of-man/
http://www.imaginalvisioning.com/wp-con ... images.pdf

Thanks for that PDF link to DE's Strieber stuff AK/JaSun/Guruilla.

In trying to (slowly) ease my way into getting up to speed on the PG thread material I saw LiminalOyster's comparing it to the Theremy saga ...

Anywho ...