'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

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Postby Hugo Farnsworth » Mon May 10, 2010 1:57 pm

Guess I should go read up on this @ the Oil Drum. I am not sure how and where BP took a shortcut here or rounded a corner there. Generally, a liner run is to be avoided if the well is going to be produced. Casing runs all the way back up to the well head, and a liner hangs from the bottom of the last casing that has been set. Think of a telescope collapsed or one that is open.

"Bullheading" the well is certainly an option (pumping high density fluid at high pressure against the well from the surface). Careful, though, it's easy to break something in the well (a formation, cement bond, casing, etc.) If the subsea wellhead is still intact (and these proposals indicate that it is), attaching another control stack on top of the existing one is also an option that goes with bullheading--one that i would argue for if I were in the position to make that determination. That decision involves the dicey prospect of cutting the riser, risking greater flow.

I had not thought of methane hydrate forming at the pressure and temperature of the wellhead with the gas being produced along with the oil, but yes, that's how it forms naturally.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Gouda » Mon May 10, 2010 4:29 pm

Crossposted:

Oil leak is 5 times greater than reported by officials

The amount of oil gushing from BP's Deepwater Horizon oil disaster is five times more than what the oil company and the U.S. Coast Guard are currently estimating, said a Florida State University oceanography professor on Saturday.

At an oil spill environmental forum at the Hilton Pensacola Beach Gulf Front, Ian MacDonald said the blowout is gushing 25,000 barrels a day.

The Coast Guard and BP estimate 5,000 barrels a day of crude is spewing into the Gulf.

MacDonald said his estimate is based on satellite images and government maps forecasting the slick's trajectory.

MacDonald also told a crowd of about 100 gathered for the discussion that he's been frustrated by the lack of data from federal responders and BP since the April 20 explosion and subsequent spill.

Dick Snyder, director of the Center for Environmental Diagnostics and Bioremediation at the University of West Florida, said satellite imagery and maps give a misleading picture of the spread of the spill.

Chemical dispersants and exposure to sunlight have made some of the oil nearly invisible and hard to detect, he said.

Testing seawater for a hydrocarbon signature is needed to adequately track the oil spill so cleanup operations can be activated before it arrives, Snyder said.

A proposal by UWF to conduct such testing off the Pensacola coast was rejected by the state Department of Environmental Protection, Snyder said.

Both Snyder and MacDonald are members of the newly created Oil Spill Academic Task Force.

The organization brings together resources of Florida's academic institutions to assist the state of Florida and the Gulf region in preparing for and responding to the Deepwater Horizon oil spill.

The task force consists of scientists and scholars working in collaboration with colleges from the State University System as well as private colleges.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby nathan28 » Mon May 10, 2010 5:53 pm

Gouda wrote:Crossposted:

Oil leak is 5 times greater than reported by officials

...At an oil spill environmental forum at the Hilton Pensacola Beach Gulf Front, Ian MacDonald said the blowout is gushing 25,000 barrels a day.

The Coast Guard and BP estimate 5,000 barrels a day of crude is spewing into the Gulf.


According to the OP story, the pessimistic estimate was at 50,000 barrels/day / 2.1 million gallons / ~8 mil. "litres"

I was listening to Nat'l Psyop Radio today and heard the figure estimated at 200,000 gallons (~5000 bbl.), which is ONE TENTH the estimate in the OP. I'm going to assume that the 5000 bbls/day figure is somewhere around the 90th percentile of optimistic estimates. This might be a dangerous assumption, because the media can find evidence that kittens cause cancer and will run it in the headlines, but considering their even stronger tendency to bury genuinely bad news when it has policy ramifications, and considering that something tells me that BP, the Koch family, USGS and USCG are redlining their spin control engines on this, well, let's say I think that 5000 bbl. is awfully bright-minded.

As an aside, I cannot believe the absurd, hateful, denialist "entrepreneurial" boot-licking bullshit I am reading in some of the internet comments and publications around right now. Fucktards are seeing this as a "green" "technological" opportunity. America, this is the reason you don't have health insurance, because of your anti-reality "optimism." "So what if people besides me get cancer, I think I'd be good at running a small business and it's either that or health care, because choice is important, never mind that most people can't afford one! That's why I'm voting Palin 2016!" Mark my words, these same assholes twenty years from now will be talking about the "human resource opportunities" available with the billions of jobless, starving third world farmers by neoliberal "reform".

In any event, let's assume 3000 and 30,000 bbl./day for the best and worst case rates of spill, and assume it's constant over time. The spill was on the 20th, which today, the tenth, was twenty days ago. That's 60,000 and 600,000 bbl, or between 2.4 and 24 million gallons (~9.1-91 million liters). By the safe media estimate, it's 100,000 bbl, 4 million gallons/15.2 million liters. Taking 50,000 as a worst-case figure that's FOUR TIMES the size of the Exxon Valdez spill (~250,000 barrels.). At which point I have to ask, what part of the phrase "OF ALL TIME" is so hard to understand?

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby barracuda » Mon May 10, 2010 5:59 pm

nathan28 wrote: what part of the phrase "OF ALL TIME" is so hard to understand?


According to Wikipedia: "The most recent oil spill, April 2010, Gulf of Mexico is tiny compared to some of the largest. It leaked only 11 million gallons whereas some were more than 200 million gallons. In fact it's the 35th largest, a very small amount."

The largest spill on their list had a high estimate of 830,439,000 barrels.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby nathan28 » Mon May 10, 2010 6:30 pm

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nathan28 wrote: what part of the phrase "OF ALL TIME" is so hard to understand?


According to Wikipedia: "The most recent oil spill, April 2010, Gulf of Mexico is tiny compared to some of the largest. It leaked only 11 million gallons whereas some were more than 200 million gallons. In fact it's the 35th largest, a very small amount."

The largest spill on their list had a high estimate of 830,439,000 barrels.


I can't find that 830 million barrel figure, but I did overstate the case. Whatever, that's what Kayne is for.

Now that I think about it the Greenpoint spill was much larger that was something of 4X the size of Valdez--it just took thirty years and peculated. Cancer rates are astronomical there, but you know, Polish immigrants don't count. Looks like the Iraq I Kuwait "spill"--I don't think it was an accident--may have been 36 billion gallons... but

According to a study sponsored by UNESCO, Bahrain, Iran, Iraq, Kuwait, Oman, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates and the United States, the spill did little long-term damage to places white people live. About half the oil evaporated, a million barrels were recovered and 2 million to 3 million barrels washed ashore, mainly in Saudi Arabia.

A May 2010 New York Times article claims that the spill was at 36 billion gallons. This dwarfs all the other estimates aforementioned and has nothing to do with astronomical cancer rates in the region.


since, you know, Saudi Arabia is mostly sand and brown people, it's not a big deal.

Ixtoc I blew out in the '70s and spilled at a rate of 30,000 bbl/day, which makes me think the Deepwater spill is more on the higher end than lower one. Additionally unlike Ixtoc there's only been days, not months, to prepare coastal containment. It also took nine months to fix. Lousiana is going to look like the Pomade Themepark by the time they fix this Deepwater travesty.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby barracuda » Mon May 10, 2010 6:39 pm

Oh, yeah, the Kanyemoticon. I missed it the first time through.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby wintler2 » Mon May 10, 2010 6:44 pm

Oil bashing may cost consumers
THE Obama White House is taking a tough line on big oil. At least, that is how it appeared as pictures of the first oil-soaked birds in the Gulf of Mexico filled TV screens. Ken Salazar, the US Interior Secretary, said he would "keep the boot on the neck of BP" over the Deepwater Horizon oil spill. But he needs to be careful. If he treads too hard, his other boot will land on the neck of Joe Plumber and every American who objects to $US3 gasoline. ..



Every crisis has a silver lining. Oil price will continue to rise until next big crash whatever Obama does, and the oil industry via corporate media such as NewsCorp (see above) will blame a regulatory 'overreaction' by Obama/greenies. Costs have been rapidly rising for years but it will be useful to be able to blame someone; anything rather than own up to declining production and crashing net energy.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Jeff » Wed May 12, 2010 3:08 pm

No Press Allowed? ABC Reporter Turned Away from Oil Spill Command Center

With a tank full of BP unleaded I left my hotel in Hammond, Louisiana, and drove about 20 minutes up the road to the Unified Area Command in Robert, La. It's the same trip taken each day by workers from BP, contracting firms, Transocean, the Coast Guard, MMS and all the other agencies and companies trying to control the massive oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

long the way, if they're paying attention, they will note a local business with a sign out front that reads: "ACTION WITHOUT VISION IS A NIGHTMARE," though it appears to have been there for a while and is not intended as a message for them.

The command center sits off a sleepy road where the treeline breaks to reveal an enormous Shell Oil logo. I turned at the sunny red and yellow seashell and pulled up to a guard post. A pleasant man asked to see my ID. I flashed the ABC News badge hanging around my neck. With a smile he waved me past.

The road wound past a fenced-in pond where I assume prospective oil workers learn to be safe while boring holes in the ocean floor in search of oil. Behind the pond was a large crane and a model oil rig, painted Shell yellow. A second guard waved me into a parking lot. It's a campus of buildings for Shell training classes. (Shell made the campus available to cleanup workers and officials at the request of the U.S. Coast Guard, according to the company, which had no involvement in the spill itself).

I walked into the main building, past signs ordering everyone to check in, past the women sitting next to folding tables stacked with papers and checklists, and wandered around. But there's not much to see. A door opened to the "Joint Information Center" room and I could see, for a flash, a hive of activity. But someone had taped pieces of copier paper over every inch of the room's glass walls.

When I ventured closer to where the unified commanding was being done, where response teams were responding and watching live video from the robot subs a mile beneath the surface of the Gulf of Mexico, I ran into another woman at a card table and a security guard.

"Hi. I've just driven from Mobile to Robert and I'm here to get the lay of the land. I'm with ABC News," I said.

She looked mystified.

"You're joking," she laughed.

"Nope."

"Let me see your badge," she said.

I showed her my ABC ID.

"Oh dear. You drove all the way from Mobile? You're not supposed to be here."

Then the very friendly security guard explained that media are not allowed in this building. "They've set up a place for you across the street."

"Great. Can you show me where it is?"

He led me out of the building and directed me to a building across the street. "It's the one with the big Shell logo."

I wandered in and out of offices, including a classroom with "Drilling/Completion 101" worksheets neatly laid out at each seat, until I finally found what looked like a briefing room, with risers and camera tripods lined up on a podium. But it was being used for a Shell class and was full of students talking.

Finally, while watching Shell students play ping-pong, I called the press center, reached an amiable media liaison and asked him to come out and talk to me.

"Where are you," he asked.

"Right outside your building."

"They let you in? You're not supposed to be here."

He came right out and we talked for a few moments on the condition that this was not a formal interview. We had a pleasant conversation but he made clear that, when we need questions answered, we should call -- not visit. They have briefings once a day but otherwise, this campus is restricted to response workers and students. Everyone, he said, is focused 100 percent on response.

I asked him where to eat in town.

"I have no idea," he said. "I haven't been able to leave here."

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby DoYouEverWonder » Wed May 12, 2010 5:59 pm

Hugh's gonna love this. Sometimes you just can't make this shit up.


BP said the top hat arrived on site on a boat called Poseidon, normally used for carrying remotely operated vehicles


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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby 2012 Countdown » Wed May 12, 2010 7:34 pm

Lots of talk here about the chemical dispersants being used. Some are saying there are safer type products available.
Morning radio has been having local fishermen and businessmen calling in, its going to be catastrophic for them. 70% of oyster beds have been closed as a precautionary measure.
The marshes/gulf is sectioned off in 'zones'. Zone closings are announced daily. Places like The Acme Oyster House will be laying off.


This is a story I came across, it is as informative as it is sad. It is a rather unique article for an msnbc reporter, I think. I thought it worthy of posting.

LONG-SUFFERING TRIBE FEARS OIL MAY STRIKE FINAL BLOW
Tuesday, May 11, 2010
By Kari Huus, msnbc.com

LA FOURCHE PARISH, La. -- The native Houma people, who have long relied on fishing and trapping in the marshlands of Louisiana, have been through a lot as a tribe.

They have been robbed of their lands, subjected to segregation, witnessed the steady erosion of marshlands and been displaced by hurricanes. Now, some fear the oil slick that threatens to invade the bayou could be the final blow to their culture and traditions.

“We still could make a living here,” says tribal elder Antoine “Whitney” Dardar, 74. “But now, with the oil coming, I don’t know.”

The tribe, which has about 17,000 members, has lived off the marsh for hundreds of years, and until recently many members made their living entirely off of marsh resources—moving from one harvest to another, season by season.

“In May there was shrimping, then we would start crabbing, we caught redfish in the summer, white shrimp in August, and then trapped nutria in the fall and sold the pelts,” says Aubrey Chaisson Jr., who is in his 50s.

The Houma Indians survived this way after the Louisiana Purchase of 1803, when the U.S. government took control of the region from the French. Unlike French and Spanish colonists before them, the Americans rejected the Houma tribe's property claims, says tribal historian Michael Dardar, who is the nephew of Antoine. The Houma people were eventually forced out of their permanent villages to the north in Bayou Cane, and moved into this area deep in the marshes, where they traditionally had seasonal fishing villages.

“They ignored us and hoped we would wither away,” Dardar says.

In the 1920s and 30s, after oil was discovered in the marsh area, the Houma Indians suffered another land grab, according to Dardar.

“The Houma were mostly illiterate, and spoke only the Houma-French language,” he says. “A lot of people came in and (acquired) their property through a variety of methods.”

Many Houma people signed documents they were told were leases by the oil interests and others, but the papers turned out to be quit-claim deeds, Dardar says. Later, hundreds of the documents held by the parishes mysteriously disappeared.

“We have no tribal lands,” says Laura Billiot, a member of the tribal council that represents more than half the Houmas, who are concentrated in La Fourche Parish and neighboring Terrebonne Parish. “The oil companies and the politicians took our lands a long time ago.”

It is difficult for the Houma Indians to do battle with either oil companies or the government because they are not a federally recognized tribe, though they have tribal status with the state of Louisiana. They lost a bid to gain federal status 20 years ago, in part because of opposition from other tribes. In addition, Dardar says, oil companies petitioned the Bureau of Indian Affairs against recognition of the Houma tribe.


Paradoxically, as commercial fishermen have had a harder time making money because of foreign competition, high fuel prices and erosion of the marsh caused by oil companies, many -- including Houma tribe members -- have turned to the oil companies to supplement their incomes. And most will say they don’t oppose drilling, but wish there was more oversight of the oil industry.

“It’s a tragedy what they have done here. They have made a mess of my heritage,” says Tommy Verdin, who runs a large shrimp trawler.

But when Verdin came back to Grand Isle after Hurricane Katrina and found his home reduced to a slab and his boat badly damaged, he got his captain’s license to run oil supply boats.

“I had my back against the wall,” he says.

Aubrey James Chaisson, 36, says his father advised him when he was growing up that he should not go into the fishing business. So the younger Chaisson piloted boats for the oil companies for a while before becoming the Grand Isle fire chief. But he says he misses the life he knew as a kid.

“I feel I’ve been robbed,” says the father of four. “You can’t raise your kids as native Americans anymore.”

One pocket of Houma Indian families is famously clinging to their traditional lifestyle on tiny Isle de Jean Charles in Terrebonne Parish, but their situation is becoming increasingly dire. Where there were 100 Houma families living prior to the recent string of hurricanes—Katrina, Rita, Gustav and Ike—there are now only about 20, says historian Dardar.

Some of the others would like to return, but they face obstacles that include the cost of replacing destroyed homes with stronger, higher structures on land that is rapidly eroding and sinking. In addition, the road to the island remains damaged and is regularly submerged during high tide. The parish government says it doesn’t have the funds to repair it.

Add to those challenges the threat of oil.

“The tribe is at a crossroads,” says Kirk Cheramie, program director for a Houma radio station who also acts as spokesman for the tribe. “We are tied to the land, the resources, the fish, the crab and shrimp… Not only that, but it’s where our families are buried. It’s our identity.”

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 12, 2010 8:28 pm

Whistleblower Claims That BP Was Aware Of Cheating On Blowout Preventer Tests
First Posted: 05-12-10 04:01 PM | Updated: 05-12-10 05:08 PM


As the federal and congressional probes continue into the causes of the Gulf oil rig explosion, new information is coming to light about the failure of a key device, the blowout preventer, to shut off the gushing well, which could have prevented the growing catastrophe.

And new questions are being raised about the testing of the preventers. At today's hearing before a House subcommittee, Rep. Henry Waxman, D-Calif., revealed that the blowout preventer had a leak in a crucial hydraulic system and had failed a negative pressure test just hours before the April 20 explosion. And at a hearing in Louisiana on Tuesday, the government engineer who gave oil giant BP the final approval to drill admitted that he never asked for proof that the preventer worked.

In addition, an oil industry whistleblower told Huffington Post that BP had been aware for years that tests of blowout prevention devices were being falsified in Alaska. The devices are different from the ones involved in the Deepwater Horizon explosion but are also intended to prevent dangerous blowouts at drilling operations.

Mike Mason, who worked on oil rigs in Alaska for 18 years, says that he observed cheating on blowout preventer tests at least 100 times, including on many wells owned by BP.

As he describes it, the test involves a chart that shows whether the device will hold a certain amount of pressure for five minutes on each valve. (The test involves increasing the pressure from 250 pounds per square-inch (psi) to 5,000 psi.) "Sometimes, they would put their finger on the chart and slide it ahead -- so that it only recorded the pressure for 30 seconds instead of 5 minutes," he tells HuffPost.

Mason claims that a BP representative was usually present while subcontractors performed the tests.

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The 48-year-old veteran oil worker claims that in the oil industry, particularly at BP, "the culture is basically safety procedures are shoved down your throat and then they look the other way when it's convenient for them." He claims that oil operators often wouldn't report spills and that when he spilled chemical fluid in 2003, he was told by his superiors not to report it. Mason, who now runs a small operation hauling freight in the Alaskan bush and owns guest cabins, says he was fired by a drilling company in 2006 after he wrote a letter to the editor of the Anchorage Daily News to condemn the firm for incorporating overseas and thereby avoiding taxes.

Mason and another oil worker provided sworn statements in a 2003 lawsuit that rig supervisors "routinely falsified reports to show equipment designed to prevent blowouts was passing state-mandated performance tests," reported the Wall Street Journal in 2005.

Mason was interviewed by the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission in 2005 during a probe into allegations that Nabors Drilling, a subcontractor to BP, falsified such tests, among other claims that BP failed to report blowouts at the massive Prudhoe Bay oil field. The probe was spurred by oil industry critic Charles Hamel, who forwarded his allegation to then-Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska.

Hamel claims that BP is at fault for the falsification because "Nabors had nothing to gain by shortening the time because they got paid, and BP rep was on rig at all times." He adds that BP was the beneficiary of a falsified test, claiming that the company rushes work and cuts corners to save money.

Hamel sent a letter to Bart Stupak (D-Mich.), the chairman of the House Oversight and Investigations subcommittee, in advance of Wednesday's hearing into the Gulf oil rig disaster, urging him to ask BP about the falsification claims:

"You and your fellow Committee members may wish to require BP to explain what action was ultimately instituted to cease the practice of falsifying BOP tests at BP Prudhoe drilling rigs. It was a cost saving but dangerous practice, again endangering the BP workforce, until I exposed it to Senator Ted Stevens, the EPA, and the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission."
After a four-month-long investigation, the commission in Alaska found that a single Nabors employee "violated rules regarding testing of blowout prevention equipment ("BOPE") on Rig 9ES by falsifying test results with a practice referred to as "chart spinning." The AOGCC proposed a $10,000 cost assessment on Nabors to reimburse it for the expenses incurred during the investigation.

As part of the probe, BP officials were interviewed, says AOGCC investigator Jim Regg, but the company was not assessed any costs or found to have committed any violations in its role as operator of the well. The commission did not find any evidence of the other allegations regarding BP. A spokesperson for BP did not return repeated calls for comment.

AOGCC commissioner Cathy Foerster explains that investigators didn't find widespread evidence of such falsification at oil drilling operations, calling it "an isolated incident" and adding, "It cost the state $50-60,000 and all that came of it was this poor kid got fired."

Foerster, who said that the commission is funded through a surcharge assessed on oil operators, dismissed industry critic Hamel's allegations regarding malfeasance in the oil industry: "It's a light breeze and he declares a Category 5 hurricane." She added that there is usually a "shred of truth" to his claims, before warning that reporters who misrepresent her comments could face "legal ramifications."

Hamel, who is on the board of the Project on Government Oversight and formerly worked as an oil trader, has a long history with BP -- the company was forced to pay more than $1 billion in safety-related improvements to the 800-mile Alaska pipeline as a results of investigations prompted by Hamel.

Alyeska Pipeline, he company, which operated the pipeline on behalf of BP, responded by hiring a private security firm, Wackenhut, to conduct surveillance on Hamel in the 1990s.

"They tapped my phone at my home in Alexandria, Virginia, had keys to my house -- I discovered that they went into my house twice," he says. And he claims that they sent a group to follow him up in Alaska, including a woman dressed provocatively who tried to get him into a hotel room with her.

A congressional hearing was called to examine the spying of Hamel and Wackenhut later settled a lawsuit filed by Hamel. And Alyeska apologized to him in full-page newspaper ads.

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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed May 12, 2010 8:44 pm

Was the Gulf Oil Disaster a Result of a BP BigWhig Party?


By Thom Hartmann


The Times-Picayune reported last week that an oil worker who survived the April 20 explosion of the Deepwater Horizon, that killed 11 people and started a disastrous oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico, said a key safety measure was not being implemented on the rig.
Lawyer Scott Bickford said his client claims a column of mud was being removed from an exploratory well before it was sealed with a top cement cap -- a move he described as "human error" that may have in turn failed to prevent the deadly explosion.
A statement from cement contractor Halliburton, reported by the New Orleans newspaper, confirmed the top cap was not installed. The column of heavy mud is one of the core defenses relied upon by drillers to prevent explosions.
So they cut corners to get the job done quickly. Here's a question. Have you ever worked in a place where the bigwhigs were coming to town and you had to quickly get everything ready for them?
Remember that there were six senior British Petroleum executives on the oil rig at the time of the explosion, celebrating a recent safety award the company had gotten. Getting senior executives out to an oil rig all at the same time is something that requires some coordinating and planning.
What if the drillers and Halliburton were told that the executives were going to be there on April 20th for the party, and therefore they had to hurry to get the job done? And therefore they skipped the time-consuming step of putting the mud plug in and went straight to the cementing process, apparently the fatal mistake that let the giant methane bubble rush up and explode the rig?
Was this entire disaster the result of a hurry-hurry-up because the big shots were flying out by helicopter and the riggers had to get things done "stat"? Who were these six executives? How far out was their visit planned?
Did Halliburton and Transocean cut corners because they were either explicitly told to by BP or implicitly pressured to by BP because the executives were on their way out for the party?
And why is nobody talking about who these executives were, and nobody is telling the life and family stories of the eleven workers who died in the rig explosion?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby smiths » Wed May 12, 2010 8:59 pm

blaming human error although reasonable in some ways, takes the focus away from the insanely stupid act of drilling for oil in such extreme conditions in oceans where you are guaranteed a catastrophe when something goes wrong,
i saw the map of BP's activities in the gulf, they are fucking everywhere,
so a disaster is a matter of time – mud plug, shut off valve, unexpected gas surge – whatever
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Re: 'Not for public': the oil spill may be getting much worse

Postby Bruce Dazzling » Thu May 13, 2010 4:35 pm

Murkowski Blocks Oil Spill Liability Cap Increase
By: David Dayen Thursday May 13, 2010 11:31 am
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Big Oil found their target.

Just now, as expected, Robert Menendez sought unanimous consent for the Big Oil Bailout Prevention Liability Act of 2010, which would raise the liability cap on oil spills from $75 million up to $10 billion. And it would have surely passed. Big Oil needed one Senator to raise an objection and fend off those who want fair compensation for people unwittingly affected by the underwater gusher in the Gulf and other disasters in the future. And they found her in Lisa Murkowski: amazingly, the Senator from Alaska, the site of the last major oil spill in America, the Exxon Valdez disaster.

“I don’t believe that taking the liability cap from $75 million dollars to $10 billion dollars… 133 times the current strict liability limit, isn’t where we need to be right now,” Murkowski said, objecting to immediate consideration of the bill. She cited the Administration’s unwillingness to put a specific number on the liability cap as a reason not to move to consideration now (thanks for providing the talking point, President Obama!). “I do think we need to look at the liability cap, but we need to be careful of unintended consequences of just picking a number,” she concluded. And she actually tried to turn this into a fight for the little guy, saying that smaller oil producers wouldn’t be able to get insurance with that kind of liability cap, and that it should be structured in a way that “doesn’t give big oil a monopoly over the entire OCS (Outer Continental Shelf).”

Menendez responded by saying that “When BP makes $5.6 billion in three months, $10 billion is a drop in the bucket.” He rebutted Murkowski’s claim that small claimants could go through state courts to get recompense in a way that is not capped by reminding the Senator from Alaska of what happened in the Exxon Valdez case. “It took 20 years. And some of them fell off the way because they couldn’t hang in there. And they lost everything.”

But at least Big Oil got off easy today, thanks to Lisa Murkowski.

UPDATE: Majority Leader Reid was quick with a response:

“Nevadans are alarmed by the recent oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and they want to ensure that the environmental impact is minimized and that we never allow this to happen again. But they also want to make sure that the negligent oil companies who cause disasters like this pay to clean it up, not taxpayers. That’s why Democrats, led by Senators Menendez, Lautenberg and Nelson, are trying to pass common-sense legislation to ensure that BP pays for the full cost of cleanup and that taxpayers in Nevada and across America are protected.

“Inexplicably, Republicans are protecting negligent oil companies like BP and blocking our efforts to prevent a BP bailout. Through their obstruction, Republicans are leaving taxpayers on the hook to pay for BP’s negligence.

“Republicans should drop their objections, and support our efforts to hold big oil companies accountable and prevent a BP bailout. I am committed to protecting taxpayers in Nevada and across America from paying for corporate negligence.”

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