"Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

[Hunter]

Maybe I'm wrong, but 5 years ago wouldn't this thread be up to 20 or 30 or 40 pages by now? Am I overstating that? Is this just not as big a deal as I think it is? Because, to me, it seems like it should maybe be the most-examined event in RI-board history, that maybe it deserves more attention and internet-sleuthing than all other RI subjects ever combined? Am I wrong? Are more people than I think just assuming that Marshall went nuts and wiped out his kids, his dog, and himself? And if so, would it be because that assumption frees a person from having to confront a most dreadful reality, but one that a person might actually be able to do a tiny little something about, albeit at the possible risk of harm to oneself and/or family? Is it just so much easier and more comfortable to shoot the shit back and forth about other things, things that ask nothing of us personally, like jellyfish and feminism and third-rate theorizing about mass shootings, topics that are relatively safe in their abject hopelessness or subjective abstractness or inconsequential sensationalism?

Or is it just that the board has gradually become kind of dead in general and I've been away too long to have noticed?

Its a good question IMO, there have been several cases or events that have happened in the last year or so that I was CERTAIN would get a ton of attention, discussion, interest and airtime here on RI that end as a page or two with no interest at all and soon forgotten, BIG EVENTS AND CASES and I couldnt believe it, very strange feeling and I have no idea why or how to explain it, I just figured people were busy and didnt have time to discuss them. But was sure 5 years ago they would have been hot topics.


I DO personally think this is MUCH MUCH bigger than people are making it, look at abovetopsecret that place goes wild within minutes and you have 60 pages of discussion when something like this happens and as far as I can see there is one thread started by a guy who lives in the area and asked if the folks there thought it was strange and it is only FOUR PAGES LONG, hardly any interest at all.


I just really think this is a huge case that really deserves some serious attention and I wonder if collectively people are just now desensitized to all of this and it is just ho hum now when it happens.


Strange hit.

[thatsmystory]

Up thread someone suggested someone go out there like Hopsicker and check out the scene. This is actually what would be required because the Sheriff's office evidently is convinced Marshall did it. As if lack of evidence of foul play seals the deal. Yeah, most perps like to leave a trail of evidence so they can go to jail. I do note that Sheriff’s Sgt. Chris Hewitt seems bemused by all the conspiracy talk.

If Marshall was pissed at his wife then where is the FU note?

[barracuda]

I DO personally think this is MUCH MUCH bigger than people are making it, look at abovetopsecret that place goes wild within minutes and you have 60 pages of discussion when something like this happens and as far as I can see there is one thread started by a guy who lives in the area and asked if the folks there thought it was strange and it is only FOUR PAGES LONG, hardly any interest at all.


I just really think this is a huge case that really deserves some serious attention and I wonder if collectively people are just now desensitized to all of this and it is just ho hum now when it happens.


Strange hit.

Here's the thing: to speak intelligently about Marshall's work requires that you ACTUALLY READ THREE BOOKS. They are not free. Two of them aren't online as Kindle books. This is an investment in the conversation, in the real, meaningful question of the importance of his work, which cannot be gained by watching an 11-minute YouTube video to become conversant.

There goes about 99% of all conspiratainment audience members.

Has anyone here read his books? Has anyone even bought them yet? I'll admit, I haven't. I think I may try his first book to see what he has to say about the Iran-Contra days. But it's a fictionalized account.

Also, when you take away the 911 research aspect, all that's left here is a murder-suicide, as typically opaque and inexplicable as most such cases are. There are no smoking guns here. The killing of the pet is not a smoking gun. The ring on the bullets isn't either. I mean, what did the assassins do, kill everybody and the dog with Marshall's Glock, then search the house to find his abandoned wedding ring and place it on the ammo, leaving the one clue Marshall's high school friend who sees him once a year would recognize as the for-sure dead giveaway? This is surely the oddest professional hit ever. It doesn't add up.

"Phil's friend" says he was on medical disability, but didn't say why, though something medical was serious enough for morphine. And something was interesting enough about the presence of morphine in the house that his wife wanted to show it to her lawyer. Or was that just a story and she was using it herself?

And now it's being reported he was bi-polar.

His finances still don't look great, despite the report by "Phil's friend". He says Marshall's finances were fine, but neighbors reported that "his finances were tight," that he was "struggling", and that the divorce was bitter. He bought a house in October of 2004 for $582,000 and took a quarter million out of his home equity in 2006. Right around that time he must have gone on disability (at 46 or 47 years of age), that is, after securing the second mortgage. In other words, he probably knew he was going to need money, so he got the second before claiming disability.

The house was assessed for taxes in 2011 for $378,000.

One thing I can't get a handle on is his wife's new divorce petition. She must know the sale of the home isn't going to net her any money, and she's not asking for full custody. It's highly doubtful she would receive any money from his disability under California law. So what does she have to gain? Why was she filing for divorce now, especially if the couple is getting along so well?

Phil's friend didn't seem to know him well enough to know that he wasn't divorced. If you were close, you know that, right?

But I agree, we won't be hearing from the wife. The toxology reports are gonna tell a story, though.

[Jerky]

I think the board is just finding its level, constantly. Having subjects with 40, 50 or 60 pages does nobody any good, IMNSHO. It makes things seem so unwieldy huge that some of us don't bother clicking on page one, much less page 60. Personally, I tune out after the first dozen or so pages. After that, it's all just repetition..

[8bitagent]

“After an exhaustive 10-year study of this lethal attack that used Boeing airliners filled with passengers and fellow crew members as guided missiles, I am 100 percent convinced that a covert team of Saudi intelligence agents was the source of logistical, financial and tactical resources that directed essential flight training to the 9/11 hijackers for 18 months before the attack,” Marshall wrote. “This conclusion was determined six years ago and all subsequent evidence has only served to confirm this conclusion.”

- Marshall

The most obvious of all 9/11 things, to me even more than "CD", yet perhaps it is also the most taboo.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/gerald-po ... 75850.html

Maybe I'm wrong, but 5 years ago wouldn't this thread be up to 20 or 30 or 40 pages by now? Am I overstating that? Is this just not as big a deal as I think it is? Because, to me, it seems like it should maybe be the most-examined event in RI-board history, that maybe it deserves more attention and internet-sleuthing than all other RI subjects ever combined? Am I wrong? Are more people than I think just assuming that Marshall went nuts and wiped out his kids, his dog, and himself? And if so, would it be because that assumption frees a person from having to confront a most dreadful reality, but one that a person might actually be able to do a tiny little something about, albeit at the possible risk of harm to oneself and/or family? Is it just so much easier and more comfortable to shoot the shit back and forth about other things, things that ask nothing of us personally, like jellyfish and feminism and third-rate theorizing about mass shootings, topics that are relatively safe in their abject hopelessness or subjective abstractness or inconsequential sensationalism?

Or is it just that the board has gradually become kind of dead in general and I've been away too long to have noticed?

Well it's like I said...I feel a little ashamed(not that I wish to edit my original post) at having such a rush to judgement. It's just past the almost masturbatory armchair para-political whodunnit game, vulture circle jerk waiting for the next even to land and pick apart...this shit just got a little more real. It's like you mention D and B here, and oh boy! watch the pepper run away from the soap in the water!

See, because JUST THE THOUGHT that someone like us went beyond forum posts and did exhaustive hard research and *may* have come up with some no-no shit...and well, again I guess it's easier for me to chalk it up
to yet another guy snapping...cuz to go there, that's ugly and scary. My personal feeling, beyond all my talk of syncs and esoteric gobbledygook is that Phillip Marshall tugged on the right thread out of millions of yarns.

It'd be like if I was joking around in April of 2011 and posted a google earth screenshot of Abbatabad and said "LOL, wouldnt it be funny if the PTB were hiding ol' bin Laden out here?".
There's a reason why CD and Pentagon research is a generally safe benign hobby, Dutch car crashes notwithstanding.

Of course, Im a pussy. I turned 35 today, celebrating my birthday home alone with half a pizza and some comedy on netflix realizing I havent dated in several years. No way in fuck am I going to
get deep into hard research publication. Of course, another side of me wants to unfurl a massive banner from the roof of a tall New York high rise that asks lays all this 9/11 or war/drone casualty rates out in stark bold letters.

[8bitagent]

Commentary?

1)It's funny how the "it's an op bro" crowd never cared about Marshall's work because he was "limited hangout guy."

"The Saudis? Fuck you CIA man. Building 7!"

I personally began to feel the Saudi angle was hardcore "MIHOP". CIA, Saudis, ISI, Mossad, etc. All globalist scumbags. Its like arguing, "did the hitman use a glock or a semi auto?"
Each one of these cutouts, or black channels are just tendrils as far as Im concerned. All the melting points and super duper nano thermite positing aint gonna convince a jury nor a judge;
but flight manifests...receipts...names and places. Its what made Franklin so dangerous.

[8bitagent]

I am with Marshall and that camp all the way, never questioned that the planes did hit the buildings and likely caused the collapse, the big question IMO, that got lost, on purpose I am sure, in all the BS about holograms and missiles and no planes etc, was, who trained the hijackers, who funded the operation and who was the mastermind of it as well as what the ultimate purpose of it. These were the questions many were asking right off the bat but those questions got drowned out quickly by the truther movement and their bullhorns. Which in turn always made me ask wrt the truther movement, the same questions I aksed of the hijackers: WHO TRAINED THEM, FUNDED THEM, WAS BEHIND THEM and what was THEIR ULTIMATE PURPOSE...

Because "Truthers" believe acknowledging Arab involvement of any kind is not just a limited hangout, but somehow is a backup of the "official story"(god im sick of that word)

To me acknowledging Saudi and Arab(yes, even al Qaeda...which to me is a proxy windup toy) involvement is just saying that a hitman used a glock instead of a semi auto.
People would rather build up this wall of noise(CD! What Flight 77? Flight 93? All a hoax! It was Cheney and Bush that engineered the whole thing!)
instead of truly wondering WHO was choosing the flight schools/financing the operation/providing a safe passage for the hijackers/etc. I believe ultimately,
the answer to that will not lead to an Arab man in a cave. I believe 100% al Qaeda was deeply involved in 9/11 just like a hitman uses a gun. But neither the gun nor the hitman is truly
responsible when it comes to going to the top.

[82_28]

I think the board is just finding its level, constantly. Having subjects with 40, 50 or 60 pages does nobody any good, IMNSHO. It makes things seem so unwieldy huge that some of us don't bother clicking on page one, much less page 60. Personally, I tune out after the first dozen or so pages. After that, it's all just repetition..

Dude, I totally hear what you're saying. But to all of ours credit, we stick to things and others play their rolls and we also stick up for one another and the very board itself,

I spent my day off today actually reading some of these 50, 60 page threads and learned a lot. Not saying that's all I did, but I spent some time going through some history, I read a few hundred pages. You know, mostly skimming. But there is a lot to be gleaned, bro. A new format that supposedly we're all donating to would be great.

Here's my "latest" idea and it just occurred to me. And I'll just post it in the donation thread tomorrow and now go to bed.

[FourthBase]

But I agree, we won't be hearing from the wife.

You agree with whom? Did someone say that upthread?

If anything, she is exactly who a) we will most want to hear from and b) will now have nothing left to lose, nothing left to leverage against disclosure. She will probably know better than anyone exactly what might constitute evidence of a hit rather than a murder-suicide, have a better sense than anyone whether Marshall was capable of this. Perhaps she knows about the details of any new breakthrough Marshall was on the verge of or about to reveal. If so, and she were of the mind to tell the world, what are the sociopath-elite going to do...threaten to kill her kids?

[FourthBase]

Personally, I tune out after the first dozen or so pages. After that, it's all just repetition.

There have been threads where that is absolutely not the case, where the most interesting and original dot-connection happens on, like, page 32. But since you don't revisit threads after the first dozen pages, I guess you never had the opportunity to know that.

[barracuda]

You agree with whom? Did someone say that upthread?

My comment was a sort of nod toward this, on the last page:

We need to hear from his estranged wife. But considering the circumstances she might never comment publicly.

If anything, she is exactly who a) we will most want to hear from and b) will now have nothing left to lose, nothing left to leverage against disclosure. She will probably know better than anyone exactly what might constitute evidence of a hit rather than a murder-suicide, have a better sense than anyone whether Marshall was capable of this. Perhaps she knows about the details of any new breakthrough Marshall was on the verge of or about to reveal. If so, and she were of the mind to tell the world, what are the sociopath-elite going to do...threaten to kill her kids?

We all know there are other methods of persuasion besides killing or threatening to kill.

It's a funny thing, but what if she's in the position to tell us that Marshall actually did have mental problems, or some other contingency that implicates Marshall rather than a hit squad? What if she wanted a divorce for good reason? From that point on, to some people she'll be a government troll, or part of the coverup, or maybe even part of the conspiracy to silence her husband. She's in an untenable position. Given recent history, she may endanger her life by speaking publicly - not because of some conspiracy, but because there will always be people who won't believe her. She can only expose herself by going public.

[FourthBase]

You agree with whom? Did someone say that upthread?

My comment was a sort of nod toward this, on the last page:

We need to hear from his estranged wife. But considering the circumstances she might never comment publicly.

If anything, she is exactly who a) we will most want to hear from and b) will now have nothing left to lose, nothing left to leverage against disclosure. She will probably know better than anyone exactly what might constitute evidence of a hit rather than a murder-suicide, have a better sense than anyone whether Marshall was capable of this. Perhaps she knows about the details of any new breakthrough Marshall was on the verge of or about to reveal. If so, and she were of the mind to tell the world, what are the sociopath-elite going to do...threaten to kill her kids?

We all know there are other methods of persuasion besides killing or threatening to kill.

It's a funny thing, but what if she's in the position to tell us that Marshall actually did have mental problems, or some other contingency that implicates Marshall rather than a hit squad? What if she wanted a divorce for good reason? From that point on, to some people she'll be a government troll, or part of the coverup, or maybe even part of the conspiracy to silence her husband. She's in an untenable position. Given recent history, she may endanger her life by speaking publicly - not because of some conspiracy, but because there will always be people who won't believe her. She can only expose herself by going public.

You're right that if she confirmed the murder-suicide, most conspiracy-bros would then contort themselves to find a way to dismiss her. I think it's quite possible that -- if it was a hit, which I am convinced it is, but for the sake of discourse I'll refrain from certainty -- the Hitmen Inc. could find some pressure point of hers to scare her into confirming Marshall was solely responsible, even if Marshall wasn't and she knew it. But again, what pressure point? Not only are her kids not an option anymore, but their murders might undermine all remaining desire in her to stay alive at all costs, might make the death of a parent or sibling or best friend seem acceptable to her by comparison, and might create in her a scorching-hot desire to see her children's murderers pay a price -- at any cost!

If she knows something that only Marshall knew and kept close to his vest, and if that something is what got him killed, then she will only be endangering herself by NOT going public. Not that going public in that case would be any sort of guarantee of her safety, but it raises the stakes for any would-be silencers, in that whacking her after she's gone public will only draw a heaping shitload of attention on whatever it is she goes public with. If she knows "too much" and doesn't go public, then if she dies in a strange car accident a couple years from now it would wind up being a footnote noticed by almost no one, low enough stakes for the perpocracy to pull the trigger in their evil cost-benefit analysis.

[8bitagent]

I think the board is just finding its level, constantly. Having subjects with 40, 50 or 60 pages does nobody any good, IMNSHO. It makes things seem so unwieldy huge that some of us don't bother clicking on page one, much less page 60. Personally, I tune out after the first dozen or so pages. After that, it's all just repetition..

Dude, I totally hear what you're saying. But to all of ours credit, we stick to things and others play their rolls and we also stick up for one another and the very board itself,

I spent my day off today actually reading some of these 50, 60 page threads and learned a lot. Not saying that's all I did, but I spent some time going through some history, I read a few hundred pages. You know, mostly skimming. But there is a lot to be gleaned, bro. A new format that supposedly we're all donating to would be great.

Here's my "latest" idea and it just occurred to me. And I'll just post it in the donation thread tomorrow and now go to bed.

I spent my 35th birthday last night partially on RI. Show's what a winner I am! :p

Strangely, it's threads like the stuff your time thread, or the hauntology or language misnomer threads I find the most interesting.
Everything else is food for thought, yes...but some threads give me more awe than others. Or maybe I'm an idealist, and I like the more whimsical thought provoking stuff over
yet another thread(including ones I make) pointing out how jacked the world and system is.

[8bitagent]

You agree with whom? Did someone say that upthread?

My comment was a sort of nod toward this, on the last page:

We need to hear from his estranged wife. But considering the circumstances she might never comment publicly.

If anything, she is exactly who a) we will most want to hear from and b) will now have nothing left to lose, nothing left to leverage against disclosure. She will probably know better than anyone exactly what might constitute evidence of a hit rather than a murder-suicide, have a better sense than anyone whether Marshall was capable of this. Perhaps she knows about the details of any new breakthrough Marshall was on the verge of or about to reveal. If so, and she were of the mind to tell the world, what are the sociopath-elite going to do...threaten to kill her kids?

We all know there are other methods of persuasion besides killing or threatening to kill.

It's a funny thing, but what if she's in the position to tell us that Marshall actually did have mental problems, or some other contingency that implicates Marshall rather than a hit squad? What if she wanted a divorce for good reason? From that point on, to some people she'll be a government troll, or part of the coverup, or maybe even part of the conspiracy to silence her husband. She's in an untenable position. Given recent history, she may endanger her life by speaking publicly - not because of some conspiracy, but because there will always be people who won't believe her. She can only expose herself by going public.

The best RI mind is an open mind, not a confirmation bias mind...I think we'd all agree. I'm now of no set belief one way or another regarding the Marshall murder suicide event, nor of the West Memphis 3 guilt, or
the real braintrust/s behind that clear blue Tuesday or the OJ thing.

Someone mentioned 50-60 page threads...yeah well how many of those are mostly of people bickering like little kids? I rarely come across posts that seem angering or flame worthy. I truly do like a lot of people's varying opinions and would find it boring if everyone had the same take. I find Barracuda's take for instance on this subject just as well thought out and intriguing as everyone elses. Sure, when a couple people would go on screeds about
Palestinians I'd roll my eyes, but for the most part I dig all y'alls thoughts.

[barracuda]

I think it's quite possible that -- if it was a hit, which I am convinced it is, but for the sake of discourse I'll refrain from certainty -- the Hitmen Inc. could find some pressure point of hers to scare her into confirming Marshall was solely responsible, even if Marshall wasn't and she knew it. But again, what pressure point?

Some people can be silenced with a thousand dollars, some with simple intimidation, some with the presence of rats. With others, you may have to remove a smallish toe with a pair of bolt cutters. Who knows? There are both carrots and clubs.

It can be done, usually, I would think.