THE PSEUDO-SACRIFICIAL "SLUTTING" OF HANNAH MONTANA

[seemslikeadream]

they're creating the illusion of freedom while they continue their quest to enslave us

So they're winning? Really, I'm so appalled at Miley's disgusting performance and the following outrage that I feel that the penny might finally drop for a lot of people...

Disney, Hollywood and MTV are not your friends. Never have been. They'll make you sick.

oh they are not winning but they will never stop trying

[norton ash]

They would like to make us unkind. We are not unkind by birth, and by nature.

[seemslikeadream]

They would like to make us unkind. We are not unkind by birth, and by nature.

RETURN



That's not the beginning of the end
That's the return to yourself
The return to innocence

Love, devotion
Feeling, emotion
Love, devotion
Feeling, emotion

Don't be afraid to be weak
Don't be too proud to be strong
Just look into your heart, my friend
That will be the return to yourself
The return to innocence

If you want, then start to laugh
If you must, then start to cry
Be yourself, don't hide
Just believe in destiny
Don't care what people say
Just follow your own way
Don't give up and use the chance
To return to innocence

That's not the beginning of the end
That's the return to yourself
The return to innocence

Don't care what people say
Follow just your own way
Don't give up, don't give up
To return, to return to innocence

If you want, then laugh
If you must, then cry
Be yourself, don't hide
Just believe in destiny

[OP ED]

that's hilarious.

sorry, OP ED could not bring itself to watch the entirety of this. not because OP ED found it offensive in any way, but rather that OP ED is severely allergic to crappy generic pop music.

first, OP ED wishes to know at what point Miley fucking Cyrus became at all relevant enough to generate internet traffic HERE.

second, OP ED is curious to know at what point all the folks here became so goddamned olde.

not shocking. [not even close]

[what's shocking is that Billy Ray ever had enough pull to help establish his daughter's career in this industry]

not a ritual. [OP ED knows a sex ritual when it sees one]

[it wasn't even particularly kinky and/or otherwise arousing]



OP ED is amazed at the level of repression being adovcated hereabouts.

several notions:

Miley Cyrus is almost olde enough to buy OP ED liquor. this means she's fair game.

[although OP ED does believe that it has probably been far too long since OP ED has devalued and demeaned and desecrated any 21 year olds]

...

Miley Cyrus is olde enough to know better. I find it odd that everyone is so swift to assume she's somehow being expoited, like a helpless child, rather than making a conscious decision to milk her moments of fame just a little longer by following the very ancient tradition of public writhing about in order to generate revenue and/or internet traffic.

Madonna achieved global recognition after the release of her second studio album, Like a Virgin, in November 1984. It topped the charts in several countries and became her first number one album on the Billboard 200.[26][32] The title track, "Like a Virgin", topped the Billboard Hot 100 chart for six consecutive weeks.[33] It attracted the attention of organizations who complained that the song and its accompanying video promoted premarital sex and undermined family values,[34] and moralists sought to have the song and video banned.[35] Madonna came under further fire when she performed the song at the first MTV Video Music Awards (VMA) where she appeared on stage atop a giant wedding cake, wearing a wedding dress and white gloves. The performance is noted by MTV as an iconic moment in VMA history.

[of course Madonna was five years older]

[but music careers lasted longer back then]

also, before you whine about children witnessing such things, OP ED might point out that a twentysomething olds simulated sexuality is far far far less offensive than the vast majority of things a child could be learning to emulate via actual children's programming, which the VMA's are not. your children shouldn't be up watching television this late anyway, unless they're already old enough to find this less shocking than the bulk of things which children and teenagers discuss when their parents leave the room every single day. if you don't know this already, you're likely too naive to even be raising children in this century.

not that OP ED really cares, mind you. OP ED only knows about this because of the ultra-moralists who've brought this to its attention. via the internet.

which brings us to OP ED's last notion, being that if thee olde and extremely moral board members here do not wish to witness such things, perhaps they should consider following OP ED's simple, one-step, amoral solution. Throw out your television.

[JackRiddler]

OP ED wins again!

also, before you whine about children witnessing such things, OP ED might point out that a twentysomething olds simulated sexuality is far far far less offensive than the vast majority of things a child could be learning to emulate via actual children's programming, which the VMA's are not. your children shouldn't be up watching television this late anyway, unless they're already old enough to find this less shocking than the bulk of things which children and teenagers discuss when their parents leave the room every single day. if you don't know this already, you're likely too naive to even be raising children in this century.

Indeed, starting with "Hannah Montana" itself as a prime example of the highly more offensive "vast majority of things a child could e learning to emulate via actual children's programming." As Riddler has pointed out repeatedly above, always without acknowledgement from the handwringing faction - I'm looking at you, OP Jerky, coffin_dodger and 82_28, among others - who assign such a vastly more significant debasement of the human being to Cyrus's small-time, unremarkable sex-mimick.

[82_28]

No, Jack and OP ED, it's the normalization of an overall theme. I could give fuck less about Cyrus.

[JackRiddler]

No, Jack and OP ED, it's the normalization of an overall theme. I could give fuck less about Cyrus.

Normalization of what? Gaudy, vulgar soft-porn sex numbers set to bad pop on TV?

You're still avoiding the question, so I've helpfully provided it as a poll:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37097

[divideandconquer]

No, Jack and OP ED, it's the normalization of an overall theme. I could give fuck less about Cyrus.

Normalization of what? Gaudy, vulgar soft-porn sex numbers set to bad pop on TV?

You're still avoiding the question, so I've helpfully provided it as a poll:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37097

No, the normalization of a dehumanizing force that wants to make us detached, desensitized, mechanical, soulless and nihilistic in a world that is
increasingly systematized. You can't deny the influence of the media on all of us, in particular our youngest members who have never experienced life without their technological appendages that practically force submission. Have you ever noticed how hard it is to get a young person to look up from their iphone? Media bombards, especially the young, 24/7. Miley Cyrus is just one of the countless tools "they" use to numb, dissociate and indoctrinate its digital citizens, who the military defines--if memory serves me-- as anyone born after 1985.

Can you not see the bigger picture here?

[JackRiddler]

No, Jack and OP ED, it's the normalization of an overall theme. I could give fuck less about Cyrus.

Normalization of what? Gaudy, vulgar soft-porn sex numbers set to bad pop on TV?

You're still avoiding the question, so I've helpfully provided it as a poll:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37097

No, the normalization of a dehumanizing force that wants to make us detached, desensitized, mechanical, soulless and nihilistic in a world that is
increasingly systematized. You can't deny the influence of the media on all of us, in particular our youngest members who have never experienced life without their technological appendages that practically force submission. Have you ever noticed how hard it is to get a young person to look up from their iphone? Media bombards, especially the young, 24/7. Miley Cyrus is just one of the countless tools "they" use to numb, dissociate and indoctrinate its digital citizens, who the military defines--if memory serves me-- as anyone born after 1985.

Can you not see the bigger picture here?

If you think the VMA number was of any exceptional significance in this development, you are the one who is missing the bigger picture and allowing yourself to be influenced by the sex-hatred of this sick, sick culture. Everything you describe as so bad was advanced far more by

1) Your reaction, joining the corporate media's, to the VMA performance as some kind of exceptional degradation, when it was nothing special and, in fact, specifically a slut-shaming campaign by the very powers that advance the "dehumanizing forces." The reaction to the number was the bad thing, not the number.

and

2) "Hannah Montana," the show in the first place.

Acknowledge #2 at least.

[OP ED]

No, Jack and OP ED, it's the normalization of an overall theme. I could give fuck less about Cyrus.

Normalization of what? Gaudy, vulgar soft-porn sex numbers set to bad pop on TV?

You're still avoiding the question, so I've helpfully provided it as a poll:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37097

No, the normalization of a dehumanizing force that wants to make us detached, desensitized, mechanical, soulless and nihilistic in a world that is
increasingly systematized. You can't deny the influence of the media on all of us, in particular our youngest members who have never experienced life without their technological appendages that practically force submission. Have you ever noticed how hard it is to get a young person to look up from their iphone? Media bombards, especially the young, 24/7. Miley Cyrus is just one of the countless tools "they" use to numb, dissociate and indoctrinate its digital citizens, who the military defines--if memory serves me-- as anyone born after 1985.

Can you not see the bigger picture here?

OP ED was already detached, desensitized, mechanical, soulless and nihilistic. and yes, OP ED is comfortable with that.

[OP ED believes all other functional mammals are likewise mechanical, only that some of them seem to feel the need to use their highly adapted pre-frontal cortex to convince themselves otherwise]

dehumanizing? perhaps, if one considers only vanilla sex to be humane. OP ED would argue that this terrible fear of sex and sluttiness, which OP ED thanks the Dark Lord for every morning and night, is much more dehumanizing than any amount of primetime broadcasts of dry humping and/or etc.

and OP ED can deny the direct influence of the media on OP ED at least. as noted above, you could always just turn off the television. OP ED only has to deal with the media when OP ED has to deal with people endlessly repeating the disheartening and disinteresting opinions that have been integrated into their moral consciences.

[by the same "media" (if such a monolithic entity can possibly be anything other than fictional) that created miley cyrus and whatever "controversy" supposedly exists. Really, is your life so boring that you actually watched the VMAs in real time? if so OP ED has great pity for your mechanism]
...

OP ED was born in 1983, so does not count as a digital citizen. Honestly it does not always understand the appeal. [OP ED no haz facebook]

but there are easy one-step solutions to most of these issues. for example, OP ED's parents required it to get a job and buy its own celluar device. [which OP ED has had since 1998]

it also possible to contain overuse of technological appendages. at work, for another example, phones are not allowed. very simple. OP ED applies this same sort of fascist technique to its real world interpersonal encounters. put it away or go away. very simple.

at what point did our species become so frail and weak that it cannot remove a toy from a child who is abusing its entitlement?

...

contra noton ash: humans are by birth and nature both kind and unkind. we wouldn't have lasted nearly so long without more than a usual dose of both, given our overall physical inferiority to most other apex predators.

...

did i miss anything?

oh, the "bigger picture" itself. It guesses that OP ED probably did, because all OP ED sees is a bunch of classic-olde-folk-style whining about not particularly graphic simulated sex acts. OP ED finds it offensive that so many people can be either tittilated OR offended by such weak performance.

[JackRiddler]

Excellent:

Dehumanizing? perhaps, if one considers only vanilla sex to be humane. OP ED would argue that this terrible fear of sex and sluttiness, which OP ED thanks the Dark Lord for every morning and night, is much more dehumanizing than any amount of primetime broadcasts of dry humping and/or etc.

Only vanilla sex, but only if it's never mentioned as existing in the first place. (Actually, the performance was mostly vanilla. Yawn-inspiring.)

oh, the "bigger picture" itself. It guesses that OP ED probably did, because all OP ED sees is a bunch of classic-olde-folk-style whining about not particularly graphic simulated sex acts. OP ED finds it offensive that so many people can be either tittilated OR offended by such weak performance.

[divideandconquer]

No, Jack and OP ED, it's the normalization of an overall theme. I could give fuck less about Cyrus.

Normalization of what? Gaudy, vulgar soft-porn sex numbers set to bad pop on TV?

You're still avoiding the question, so I've helpfully provided it as a poll:
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=37097

No, the normalization of a dehumanizing force that wants to make us detached, desensitized, mechanical, soulless and nihilistic in a world that is
increasingly systematized. You can't deny the influence of the media on all of us, in particular our youngest members who have never experienced life without their technological appendages that practically force submission. Have you ever noticed how hard it is to get a young person to look up from their iphone? Media bombards, especially the young, 24/7. Miley Cyrus is just one of the countless tools "they" use to numb, dissociate and indoctrinate its digital citizens, who the military defines--if memory serves me-- as anyone born after 1985.

Can you not see the bigger picture here?

If you think the VMA number was of any exceptional significance in this development, you are the one who is missing the bigger picture and allowing yourself to be influenced by the sex-hatred of this sick, sick culture. Everything you describe as so bad was advanced far more by

1) Your reaction, joining the corporate media's, to the VMA performance as some kind of exceptional degradation, when it was nothing special and, in fact, specifically a slut-shaming campaign by the very powers that advance the "dehumanizing forces." The reaction to the number was the bad thing, not the number.

and

2) "Hannah Montana," the show in the first place.

Acknowledge #2 at least.

In the land of Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Snooki, debauchery is as American as apple pie.

Sorry, the term is "digital native," not digital citizen in the military's concept of Full Spectrum Dominance, which is the whole point here: tuning future generations to the strum of mechanistic manipulation by reducing them to machines. In order to transform human nature by reducing all questions of human life to the material. Promoting debauched sex that entirely eliminates love from the equation repeatedly, with images that go viral and will never die is just one part of the mechanistic dehumanization agenda.of making human beings mere raw material for manipulation and homogenization.

In our Orwellian reality, what is being projected by the propagandizers is a 180-degree turn away from what is implied. Sure, they want you to believe that they are promoting sex-hatred, when what they're really promoting in a very reductionist/mechanistic culture of soul/human-hatred Take the acronym, HAARP. It invokes a sense of the peaceful strumming of angels in harmony with all of creation. Really?

You are a very intelligent person who I assume was born way before 1985, so YOU may not be vulnerable to the soul-killing debauchery of the 24/7 media culture, but there are plenty of people who do not know anything different, and who may not have the intelligence and/or luxury of time to make sense of their debauched world.

[JackRiddler]

In the land of Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan and Snooki, debauchery is as American as apple pie.

These are your concerns? Shame on you.

In reality, this is the apple-pie land of the Salem witch-killers, the Jerry Falwells and the recent Republican Rape Faction with their view of human sexuality as Satan's work. Anti-sex Puritanism and the reactionary hatred of individual freedom in modernity are symbiotic with the pornographic mindset.

"Snooki" or whomever you're obsessed with as "debauching" the precious values and bodily fluids of this old martial slave colony settled on stolen land is only dirty (and therefore attractive to an audience) because your dirty minds make her so.

Sorry, the term is "digital native," not digital citizen in the military's concept of Full Spectrum Dominance, which is the whole point here: tuning future generations to the strum of mechanistic manipulation by reducing them to machines. In order to transform human nature by reducing all questions of human life to the material.

Even granting that this is happening in the way you describe and your implicit assumption of a central planning agency (will you bother to tell us whom?) rather than an organic drive involving multiple institutions... the follow-up is demented, sex-hating moral hysteria.

Your concern is apparently not so much the trends toward eugenics, algorithms and literal machines taking over in the "singularity," neoliberal labor regimes sapping every iota of time, energy and creativity from the human resources, the universal surveillance state, cradle-to-grave socialization in authoritarian statism and consumerist obedience, etc., but, oh no, Those Goddamn Kids Are Having Fun With the Lights On:

Promoting debauched sex that entirely eliminates love from the equation repeatedly, with images that go viral and will never die is just one part of the mechanistic dehumanization agenda.of making human beings mere raw material for manipulation and homogenization.

The Pentagon's doing this? Through Miley Cyrus? The Illuminati? The Federal Reserve, the Rockefeller-Rothschilds? Who?

Where did Cyrus's stage show "eliminate love from the equation," by the way? Not that it spoke about love at all, but how did it "entirely eliminate" it? Is it because people in real love never use dildos or fuck standing doggie-style? Is anything other than missionary position with the lights off a military assault on love?

Is basically any unashamed mention of sex in public an assault on love?

I bolded the "images" phrase because it's hilarious. Have the menstrually soaked foam finger and the planet-sized Ass of the "Negress" (Jerky's term) burned themselves forever into your circuitry?

"This will never die! Never!"

Never forget 8-25-13! When the terrorists blew up LOVE!

Plus, this stupid thread is the "viral"! This is an entirely media-manufactured hysteria. The promoters of a couple of conventional music acts grabbed attention by getting all the yak-yak media blowhards to act appalled about the same shit you think is so horrible.

Shame!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r0S9lHG3oQ

.

[JackRiddler]

The Controllers have struck again in their campaign to dehumanize all children!

Ania Lisewska, Polish Woman, Wants To Have Sex With 100,000 Men

The Huffington Post | By David Moye Posted: 08/29/2013 8:24 am EDT | Updated: 08/30/2013 2:09 pm EDT


www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/28/ania- ... weird-news

[divideandconquer]

Even granting that this is happening in the way you describe and your implicit assumption of a central planning agency (will you bother to tell us whom?) rather than an organic drive involving multiple institutions... the follow-up is demented, sex-hating moral hysteria. Your concern is apparently not so much the trends toward eugenics, literal machines taking over in the "singularity," neoliberal labor regimes sapping every iota of time, energy and creativity from the human resources, the universal surveillance state, cradle-to-grave socialization in authoritarian statism and consumerist obedience, etc., but Those Goddamn Kids Having Fun With the Lights On:

It falls under the Revolution in Military Affairs (RMA)--the implementation of global command and control sense & respond systems to ultimately enforce tyrannical world government which requires a a very dehumanizing paradigm for the reasons I already mentioned.. Full Spectrum Dominance was first revealed in the 1998 US Space Command document – Vision for 2020 and later released in 2000 as DOD Joint Vision 2020, http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=45289

The Pentagon's doing this? Through Miley Cyrus? The Illuminati? The Federal Reserve, the Rockefeller-Rothschilds? Who?

Miley Cyrus is an infinitesimally small example of an overall dehumanizing effort by the powers that be. Through Intelligence, Military, Government, NGOs, Economics, InfoTech, Mass Media, Philosophy, Occult, Religion, Science, Academia, Psychology, Psychiatry, Medicine...globalist institutions such as Rockefeller Foundation, CIA, MI6, SRI, Brookings, RAND, Club of Rome, Council on Foreign Relations, IMF, PNAC, Pilgrim's Society, World Bank.

Where did Cyrus's stage show "eliminate love from the equation," by the way? Not that it spoke about love at all, but how did it "entirely eliminate" it? Is it because people in real love never use dildos or fuck standing doggie-style? Is anything other than missionary position with the lights off a military assault on love?

Is basically any unashamed mention of sex in public an assault on love?

People in love can do whatever the hell they want to do, but if you think Miley Cyrus performance was in any way about promoting love, well, you and your menstrually soaked foam finger and planet-sized Ass of the "Negress" have fun loving each other. As many times as you've mentioned it, I seriously do think you're in love.

"This will never die! Never!"

No, not if you keep responding.

Shame!

Ha! Second time you told me how ashamed of myself I should be. You sound like a Baptist minister.

You're the kind of atheist that, while purporting and pretending he is all-wise and all-intelligent - instead is just a carrier and repeater of slogans and 'memes' that were distilled into you by 'meme complexes' imposed onto society by those in managerial and opinion molding positions. Your entire state of being and your entire excuse for a life has been shaped and molded by practitioners of operant conditioning and other behaviorist techniques. You call this being 'liberal' and 'progressive'?