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by Nordic » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:15 pm
by AlicetheKurious » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:40 pm
Nordic » Sun Nov 08, 2015 9:15 pm wrote:Why is the US so determined to start WW3?
"We do not seek a cold, let alone a hot, war with Russia," he said. "We do not seek to make Russia an enemy. But make no mistake; the United States will defend our interests, our allies, the principled international order, and the positive future it affords us all."
The backdrop to Carter's remarks is the reality that after more than two decades of dominating great-power relations, the United States is seeing Russia reassert itself and China expand its military influence beyond its own shores. Together these trends are testing American preeminence and its stewardship of the world order.
Carter, returning from eight days of travel in Asia, cited several pillars of the international order that he argued should be defended and strengthened: peaceful resolution of disputes, freedom from coercion, respect for state sovereignty, and freedom of navigation.
"Some actors appear intent on eroding these principles and undercutting the international order that helps enforce them," he said. "Terror elements like ISIL, of course, stand entirely opposed to our values. But other challenges are more complicated, and given their size and capabilities, potentially more damaging."
"Of course, neither Russia nor China can overturn that order," he said. "But both present different challenges for it." Link
by AlicetheKurious » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:44 pm
by slimmouse » Sun Nov 08, 2015 3:50 pm
by Rory » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:07 pm
slimmouse » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:50 pm wrote:
On edit. I notice that Secretary of War ( lets get the terminology right ) Ash Carter had a 2 year tenure at Yale ( at least mentioned somewhere round here lately).
Dem Bones, Dem Bones?
by slimmouse » Sun Nov 08, 2015 4:23 pm
Rory » 08 Nov 2015 20:07 wrote:slimmouse » Sun Nov 08, 2015 7:50 pm wrote:
On edit. I notice that Secretary of War ( lets get the terminology right ) Ash Carter had a 2 year tenure at Yale ( at least mentioned somewhere round here lately).
Dem Bones, Dem Bones?
Yale? OH NOES! RUN FOR YOUR LIVES!
by AlicetheKurious » Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:09 pm
British extremists linked to jet bomb: London & Birmingham voices heard cheering disaster
BRITISH extremists were behind the bombing of a Russian jet over Egypt, intelligence experts believe.
By JAMES MURRAY EXCLUSIVE
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Sun, Nov 8, 2015 | UPDATED: 11:46, Sun, Nov 8, 2015
British extremists have been linked to the Russian jet bomb
They were overheard celebrating moments after the explosion that blew the plane apart, killing all 224 on board.
The jihadis were heard talking in Birmingham and London accents by spies at GCHQ in Cheltenham.
Trained in Syria and with an electronics background, it is believed they may have had a hand in building the bomb.
The success of the attack could inspire them to target British airports next, a former Special Branch officer warned last night.
GCHQ, the Government’s secret listening centre, picked up “chatter” from extremist groups in Egypt immediately after the Russian plane came down.
The regional accents suggest “a definite and strong link” between British extremists and the attack, according to intelligence sources.
“Jihadis in the Sinai area of Egypt could be heard celebrating,” one source said yesterday.
The jihadis were heard talking in Birmingham and London accents by spies at GCHQ in Cheltenham
“A closer analysis of that material has identified London and Birmingham accents among those numerous voices.
“There has also been some internet traffic suggesting that there was British involvement in the attack. This was a very sophisticated, carefully planned operation involving many moving parts.
“We know there are British jihadis in Egypt fighting with members of Islamic State. They were trained in Syria and are now hardened terrorists. Some of the Britons have an electronics background and have been developing some very sophisticated bombs.
“They have been experimenting with different-sized charges and different types of explosives but there was nothing prior to this attack to suggest that they were going after airlines.”
A321 Airbus Sinai disaster: Russian airline Kogalymavia's flight 9268 crashed en route from Sharm el-Sheikh to Saint Petersburg on October 31, killing all 224 people on board, the vast majority of them Russian tourists.
The choice of a Russian airliner is thought to have been a deliberate attempt to goad President Vladmir Putin.
But the terrorists could now switch their attention back home.
Former Special Branch detective Chris Hobbs said British-born extremists who have learned bombmaking skills while fighting in Syria will have slipped under the radar to return to the UK.
“There is a growing concern that these individuals will use their newly learnt skills to try to down an airliner here,” he said.
“Airport security here in the UK is very good but it can never be 100 per cent.”
As a senior detective, Mr Hobbs spent more than a third of his 32-year service working at Heathrow, Gatwick and in the Caribbean, focusing on drug dealers who were trying to exploit weaknesses in airport security systems.
He said improved security was needed, including police screening of all passengers but planned cuts would make this far more difficult.
‘‘In my view counter-terrorism measures need to be stepped up but that will be difficult because a Home Office review of counter-terrorist policing at air and sea ports is believed to be looking to make £12million in cuts.
“We must be the only country in the world faced with a major terrorist threat who are actively imposing drastic cuts upon their law enforcement bodies.”
It is suspected that Sinai jihadis smuggled a bomb into Sharm El Sheikh airport in Egypt before someone else working on the inside placed the device in the hold of the Russian passenger jet. “If that is what happened it would have needed a degree of planning,” said Mr Hobbs.
“You have to assume that jubilant jihadists will attempt something similar elsewhere in the world, including Britain.
“One area we need to look at is security for those who work airside at airports. They have to go through the same rigorous scanning procedures as passengers when they go to work, but each vehicle cannot be as comprehensively checked without bringing the airport to a halt.
“It would be possible to hide a device inside a vehicle and then retrieve the device when the rogue employee is airside.
“Then it could be passed on to a security-checked passenger who could carry it on to an aircraft before becoming a martyr or possibly even placed into an unsuspecting passenger’s hold baggage if that rogue employee is involved in baggage handling.
“I think the fall-out of the Russian tragedy will be a tightening of security, which will be difficult to achieve with further cuts to policing and the UK Border Force an inevitable result of the forthcoming spending review.”
He added: “An argument will be made that even with cuts to police and the UK Border Force, improved security can be achieved with better efficiency, which frankly is nonsense.”
Security at Heathrow and other British airports was tightened in 2006 after police foiled a plot to detonate liquid explosives on seven airliners.
Restrictions on carrying liquids on to planes are still in force today.
In December 2001, Briton Richard Reid attempted to detonate explosives packed into the shoes he was wearing on a flight between Paris and Miami.
In 2007, terrorists rammed Glasgow International Airport with a jeep loaded with propane gas canisters, the first terror attack in Scotland since the Lockerbie bombing in December 1988.
And in 2009, Umar Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian who had lived and studied in London, hid explosives in his underwear and attempted to bring down an airliner during a flight from Amsterdam to Detroit. Link
by Iamwhomiam » Sun Nov 08, 2015 5:24 pm
"We have the evidence, but aren't going to tell you, the Russians or the rest of the world how we got it"
Secondly to speak candidly. Absofuckinglutely shamelessly pathetic.
by Elvis » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:32 pm
Nordic wrote:Why is the US so determined to start WW3?
by Nordic » Mon Nov 09, 2015 12:46 am
The flight data and voice recorders showed "everything was normal" until both failed at 24 minutes after takeoff, pointing to "a very sudden explosive decompression," one source said.
by AlicetheKurious » Mon Nov 09, 2015 4:24 am
Nordic » Mon Nov 09, 2015 6:46 am wrote:It seems there actually is evidence to suggest a bomb.
The results of the recovery of the black boxes:
http://m.timesofindia.com/world/middle- ... 694460.cmsThe flight data and voice recorders showed "everything was normal" until both failed at 24 minutes after takeoff, pointing to "a very sudden explosive decompression," one source said.
What is weird is that almost immediately after this story hit the western media, news of the disaster suddenly receded.
And the story seems to have nearly disappeared from western news sources. Just did a google on it, and found it at many foreign sources but not the Western ones that IIRC were touting it previously.
I guess a new rabbit hole is under construction.
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by PufPuf93 » Mon Nov 09, 2015 3:12 pm
AlicetheKurious » Sun Nov 08, 2015 11:45 am wrote:Why would an unnamed member of the investigation team say there's a 90% chance it was a bomb? To Reuters? The investigation is ongoing, and in yesterday's press conference, the spokesman for the team said only that all the signals from the plane shut down suddenly, and that they were studying an unidentified noise heard just before the black box recording ended. He said they didn't know what the noise was, but that the recording would be given to sound experts to identify using specialized equipment.
So, they have a mysterious sound, and the plane's debris, which in photographs shows no sign of burning. This was a fully-fueled plane. The plane was broken into large parts. If it had exploded in the air, the parts would be tiny. Remember 9/11, when we were told that, due to the planes' explosions, all the human bodies were torn into little pieces and burned so badly that they couldn't be identified using DNA? In the case of the Russian plane, dozens of bodies were found intact, some still strapped into their airplane seats. The luggage doesn't look like it was exploded or burned.
It's bad enough that we have to wait for the independent investigation into the plane crash, and then use our critical thinking to determine how convincing it is. But these anonymous claims in the Western media have no credibility at all. It seems that, like Cameron and Obama, they're trying to preempt the results of the investigation to further a propaganda agenda.
The chronic willingness of people to shut down their brains and swallow the pap they're given, no matter how asinine and illogical, never ceases to amaze me.
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