Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris hostage

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Postby Elvis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:36 pm

IanEye » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:58 am wrote:“Battle of Algiers” is a real eye opener. It was for this eye anyway.

If you really want to blow people’s minds right now, go on facebook and link to the youtube clip that shows the French colonialists using the guillotine on the Algierian insurgent.

Yes folks, less than a 100 years ago the French were cutting people’s heads off.
Kind of puts those “grisly ISIS beheading” videos in a new perspective.

It's like those old anti-drug ads from the 80's:

"I learned it from YOU!"


Much less than 100 years ago:

The guillotine continued to be used long after the Revolution and remained France's standard method of judicial execution until the abolition of capital punishment in 1981.[2] The last person guillotined in France was Hamida Djandoubi, on 10 September 1977.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillotine


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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Elvis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:51 pm

Dude, sorry, but get real, that's Sorcha Faal! :lol:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1941.htm

Sorcha Faal has been posting completely, verifiably made-up stuff on the Web for years now. Completely made up stuff. Read the archives, it's garbage, good only for its comic value.


divideandconquer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:15 am wrote:
Here's some woo, which basically boils it down to the revenge of Pope Francis.

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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:13 pm

Elvis » Sun Nov 15, 2015 2:51 pm wrote:Dude, sorry, but get real, that's Sorcha Faal! :lol:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1941.htm

Sorcha Faal has been posting completely, verifiably made-up stuff on the Web for years now. Completely made up stuff. Read the archives, it's garbage, good only for its comic value.

Uh.. :tiphat:...I did call it "woo", which means not to be taken seriously, right? But there might be grains of truth mixed into this woo. Like maybe the "secretive meeting in Washing D.C. attended by the Director of the CIA, John Brennan, and DGSE Director Bernard Bajolet. but still not convinced enough to watch the videos to find out.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby stefano » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:25 pm

Coming in late here, good thread all.

General Patton wrote:Why is NATO false flagging attacks that will make the current pro-NATO faction look weak and empower right wing radicals who are anti-NATO?

It makes the socialists look weak. It'll empower the radical right, but also the Gaullist right. 2017 is going to be a race between the FN and the Gaullists (who this year changed their name from the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) to the catchier Les Républicains, on an initiative by Nicolas Sarkozy). It's going to play out like it did in 2002, when Lionel Jospin dropped out in the first round (that time it was because of fragmentation on the left), and the second round was between Jacques Chirac and Jean-Marie Le Pen. Chirac took the second round with 82%! I expect something similar in 2017: Sarkozy (probably) against Marine Le Pen in the second round, Sarko to win thumpingly. He gets to implement a lot of hard-right social politics aligned with those of the FN that his sponsors like anyway, but France's membership of the EU or NATO is not in question, nor are an austere fiscal policy and cuts to benefits.

And I like this:

Wombaticus Rex wrote:The sheer omnipotence being attributed to NATO (or Israel or The NWO or neo-cons) by presuming that projects like ISIS are taking orders from the top -- is insane to me. Even at Gladio's false flag peak, they were recruiting from abundantly available raw material: the true believers. To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.

Very well put. Of course some terror attacks are just what they look like. In this case I'm tending to suspect some puppeteering, though, mainly because of the choice of targets: young, urban professionals and hipsters, who would be expected to lean left, rather than the symbols of state authority that are terrorists' usual targets in Arab countries. And the passport that that one dude thoughtfully remembered to take along on his suicidal mass murder.
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Those are heartfelt words, bee man, and I just wanted to let you know I appreciate them and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Hugs.

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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:06 pm


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWNv97yq4Fc


Islamic Feminist: Duke Students Tried To Cancel My Speech. That Made It Even More Important.
Asra Nomani April 13, 2015
American Muslim journalist and author Asra Nomani during Reuters interview.
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Asra Nomani during an interview in New York on April 6, 2005.
Asra Nomani is the author of “Standing Alone: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam.”
We must have critical conversations, especially if they make people feel uncomfortable

This past week, University of Michigan students watched American Sniper after the university first cancelled the film’s showing amid protests from an Arab-American Muslim student that the film offended her. The episode at Michigan was like my own painful experience at Duke University after a Muslim student group recently blackballed me.

Tuesday night, while Islamic State fighters gained new ground in Syria, I walked onto a stage at Duke University to argue for a progressive, feminist interpretation of Islam in the world. Staring into stage lights, I counted the number of people looking back at me: nine, not including my parents and son.

“I would have come here to speak to just one person. To me, it is simply a victory to stand before you,” I said.

Five days earlier, the Duke University Center Activities and Events had cancelled my talk after the president of the Duke chapter of the Muslim Students Association sent an email to Muslim students about my “views” and me, alleging that I have a nefarious “alliance” with “Islamophobic speakers” and noting that a Duke professor of Islam, Omid Safi, had “condemned” me. After I asked for evidence against me, the Center for Activities and Events re-invited me. A spokesman for Duke said the university regrets the misunderstanding.

This experience goes beyond feminism to a broader debate over how too many Muslims are responding to critical conversations on Islam with snubs, boycotts, and calls for censorship, exploiting feelings of conflict avoidance and political correctness to stifle debate. As a journalist for 30 years, I believe we must stand up for America’s principles of free speech and have critical conversations, especially if they make people feel uncomfortable.

By standing on stage, I was standing up to the forces in our Muslim communities that are increasingly using tactics of intimidation and smears such as “Islamophobe,” “House Muslim,” “Uncle Tom,” “native informant,” “racist” and “bigot” to cancel events with which they disagree.

These dynamics of silencing are often used against women such as Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a Somali-born activist and author of a new book, Heretic. Brandeis University uninvited her from speaking after protests from the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Muslim Students Association last year, and the Muslim Students Association at Yale University protested her speech at the university last fall.

Friday, organizers of a conference on women and gender at the University of South Dakota defied pitched protests to screen a documentary, Honor Diaries, about crimes Muslim women face, in the name of “honor.” The controversy has been “very upsetting,” writes Miglena Sternadori and Cindy Struckman-Johnson, the event organizers, and the controversy underscores the battle over whose voices are “authentic,” they say.

Last April, Honor Diaries wasn’t as fortunate as American Sniper at the University of Michigan when administrators there cancelled a screening after protests from the Muslim Students Association and the Council on American-Islamic Relations. The protesters used a social media hashtag campaign #DishonorDiaries to discredit the film. The University of Illinois also cancelled an Honor Diaries screening after protests from the same Muslim groups. Zainab Zeb Khan, a dynamic Afghan-American activist interviewed in the film, says, “It was a nightmare.” She organized a successful substitute screening at a downtown Chicago theater to allow for dialogue and advocacy. “They are using the same tactics of shame and intimidation used to silence people in our traditional cultures. We can’t allow it,” she says.

Slurs have also been used by Muslims against Egyptian-American journalist Mona Eltahawy, author of a new feminist manifesto, Headscarves and Hymens; Syrian-American physician and activist Zuhdi Jasser; Iranian-American writer Melody Moezzi, and many other writers and activists, in an attempt to discredit them inside our communities. “We don’t all need to share the same opinions in order to share the conviction that open debates and discussions within our communities are necessary and should be fostered,” Moezzi says.

In a statement provided to TIME, a Duke University spokesperson said, “Duke is strongly committed to free expression and open discussion of controversial issues…We regret that there was a misunderstanding among our students and staff that made it seem like Ms. Nomani was no longer invited to speak at Duke. Once we became aware of it, Duke immediately let Ms. Nomani know that she was welcomed to speak with our students and the larger community, which she did.”

As I stood on the stage at Duke, just a wireless microphone tucked into my pink kurta, no barrier between the audience and me, I looked out past the stage lights and said: “There are many who want to make us invisible. But I am standing here today because I believe that, if we try, we can be invincible.” There are only two letters separating the two words, I told the audience: “nc,” the abbreviation for North Carolina, and it was appropriate that, there, in that state, I was rejecting invisibility and standing up for invincibility. An Indian-American Sikh feminist smiled and nodded her head in agreement.



Meet the honor brigade, an organized campaign to silence debate on Islam

(James Joyce for The Washington Post)
By Asra Q. Nomani January 16
Asra Q. Nomani, a former Wall Street Journal reporter, is the author of “Standing Alone: An American Woman’s Struggle for the Soul of Islam.”
“You have shamed the community,” a fellow Muslim in Morgantown, W.Va., said to me as we sat in a Panera Bread in 2004. “Stop writing.”

Then 38, I had just written an essay for The Washington Post’s Outlook section arguing that women should be allowed to pray in the main halls of mosques, rather than in segregated spaces, as most mosques in America are arranged. An American Muslim born in India, I grew up in a tolerant but conservative family. In my hometown mosque, I had disobeyed the rules and prayed in the men’s area, about 20 feet behind the men gathered for Ramadan prayers.

Later, an all-male tribunal tried to ban me. An elder suggested having men surround me at the mosque so that I would be “scared off.” Now the man across the table was telling me to shut up.

“I won’t stop writing,” I said.

It was the first time a fellow Muslim had pressed me to refrain from criticizing the way our faith was practiced. But in the past decade, such attempts at censorship have become more common. This is largely because of the rising power and influence of the “ghairat brigade,” an honor corps that tries to silence debate on extremist ideology in order to protect the image of Islam. It meets even sound critiques with hideous, disproportionate responses.

The campaign began, at least in its modern form, 10 years ago in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, when the Organization of Islamic Cooperation — a mini-United Nations comprising the world’s 56 countries with large Muslim populations, plus the Palestinian Authority — tasked then-Secretary General Ekmeleddin Ihsanoglu with combating Islamophobia and projecting the “true values of Islam.” During the past decade, a loose honor brigade has sprung up, in part funded and supported by the OIC through annual conferences, reports and communiques. It’s made up of politicians, diplomats, writers, academics, bloggers and activists.

In 2007, as part of this playbook, the OIC launched the Islamophobia Observatory, a watchdog group based in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, with the goal of documenting slights against the faith. Its first report, released the following year, complained that the artists and publishers of controversial Danish cartoons depicting the prophet Muhammad were defiling “sacred symbols of Islam . . . in an insulting, offensive and contemptuous manner.” The honor brigade began calling out academics, writers and others, including former New York police commissioner Ray Kelly and administrators at a Catholic school in Britain that turned away a mother who wouldn’t remove her face veil.

“The OIC invented the anti-‘Islamophobia’ movement,” says Zuhdi Jasser, president of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy and a frequent target of the honor brigade. “These countries . . . think they own the Muslim community and all interpretations of Islam.”

Alongside the honor brigade’s official channel, a community of self-styled blasphemy police — from anonymous blogs such as LoonWatch.com and Ikhras.com to a large and disparate cast of social-media activists — arose and began trying to control the debate on Islam. This wider corps throws the label of “Islamophobe” on pundits, journalists and others who dare to talk about extremist ideology in the religion. Their targets are as large as Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and as small as me.

The official and unofficial channels work in tandem, harassing, threatening and battling introspective Muslims and non-Muslims everywhere. They bank on an important truth: Islam, as practiced from Malaysia to Morocco, is a shame-based, patriarchal culture that values honor and face-saving from the family to the public square. Which is why the bullying often works to silence critics of Islamic extremism.

“Honor brigades are wound collectors. They are couch jihadis,” Joe Navarro, a former supervisory special agent in the FBI’s behavioral analysis unit, tells me. “They sit around and collect the wounds and injustices inflicted against them to justify what they are doing. Tragedy unites for the moment, but hatred unites for longer.”

In an e-mail exchange, the OIC’s ambassador to the United Nations denied that the organization tries to silence discussion of problems in Muslim communities.

The attacks are everywhere. Soon after the Islamophobia Observatory took shape, Sheik Sabah Ahmed al-Sabah, the emir of Kuwait, grumbled about “defamatory caricatures of our Master and Prophet Muhammad” and films that smear Islam, according to the OIC’s first Islamophobia report.

The OIC helped give birth to a culture of victimization. In speeches, blogs, articles and interviews widely broadcast in the Muslim press, its honor brigade has targeted pundits, political leaders and writers — from TV host Bill Maher to atheist author Richard Dawkins — for insulting Islam. Writer Glenn Greenwald has supported the campaign to brand writers and thinkers, such as neuroscientist and atheist Sam Harris, as having “anti-Muslim animus” just for criticizing Islam.

“These fellow travelers have made it increasingly unpleasant — and even dangerous — to discuss the link between Muslim violence and specific religious ideas, like jihad, martyrdom and blasphemy,” Harris tells me.

Noticing the beginnings of this trend in December 2007, a U.S. diplomat in Istanbul dispatched a cable to the National Security Council, the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency and various State Department offices. The cable said the OIC’s chief called supporters of the Danish cartoons of Muhammad “extremists of freedom of expression” and equated them with al-Qaeda.

Most of the criticism takes place online, with anonymous bloggers targeting supposed Islamophobes. Not long after the cable, a network of bloggers launched LoonWatch, which goes after Christians, Jews, Hindus, atheists and other Muslims. The bloggers have labeled Somali author Ayaan Hirsi Ali, a born Muslim but now an atheist opponent of Islamic extremism, an “anti-Muslim crusader.” Robert Spencer, a critic of extremist Islam, has been called a “vicious hate preacher” and an “Internet sociopath.” The insults may look similar to Internet trolling and vitriolic comments you can find on any blog or news site. But they’re more coordinated, frightening and persistent.

One prominent target of the honor brigade’s attacks was Charlie Hebdo, the French newspaper where several staffers were recently killed by Islamic extremists. According to some accounts, as the killers massacred cartoonists, they shouted: “We have avenged the prophet Muhammad.” The OIC denounced the killings, but in a 2012 report, it also condemned the magazine’s “Islamophobic satires.” Its then-secretary general, Ihsanoglu, said the magazine’s “history of attacking Muslim sentiments” was “an outrageous act of incitement and hatred and abuse of freedom of expression.”

Charlie Hebdo is not the only evidence that, to self-appointed defenders of the faith, a call to kill the message can very easily become a plan to kill the messenger. In January 2011, a security officer for the governor of Pakistan’s Punjab province, Salman Taseer, assassinated him after Taseer defended a Christian woman accused of blasphemy. In court, supporters laid flowers on the shoulders of the assassin in approval.

Murderers like him would be much harder to radicalize in a climate that welcomed debate about Islam rather than seeking revenge on its critics. But in so many Muslim communities now, saving face trumps critical thinking and truth-telling. This is why reform from within Islam is so difficult. In my experience, if you try to hold the community accountable, you’re more likely to be bullied and intimidated than taken seriously.

When Rupert Murdoch recently tweeted, “Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible,” he was criticized for indelicately saying all Muslims were responsible for the acts of a few. But I do believe we bear collective responsibility for the problems in our communities.

After my threatening meeting at Panera, I kept advocating for women’s rights in the mosque and in the bedroom. Among other things, I argued that Muslim women have the right to orgasm, an intimacy too often denied in societies with a tradition of female genital mutilation.

Then came the death threats. In the fall of 2004, my parents and my son picked me up after I spoke at a conference. “Somebody wants to kill you,” my father said from behind the wheel of our gold Dodge Caravan, his voice trembling. The death threat was posted on Muslim WakeUp!, a now-defunct progressive Web site. The offender told the FBI that he would stop harassing me, and he did. More prosaic taunts in the past decade have called me a “Zionist media whore,” a “House Muslim” and many other unprintable insults.

Two years ago, Zainab Al-Suwaij, executive director of the American Islamic Congress, was so battered by online attacks aimed at silencing her that she experienced a physical response to the stress and anxiety, and ended up in an emergency room. When I met her in her office near the White House, she pulled up her sleeves to show me the marks left by IV injections that the hospital staff had administered to get her necessary fluids.

“The attacks just killed me,” Al-Suwaij said, wearily.

Bullying this intense really works. Observant members of the flock are culturally conditioned to avoid shaming Islam, so publicly citing them for that sin often has the desired effect. Non-Muslims, meanwhile, are wary of being labeled “Islamophobic” bigots. So attacks against both groups succeed in quashing civil discourse. They cause governments, writers and experts to walk on eggshells, avoiding important discussion.

For my part, I have continued to write, calling on American Muslims to root out extremism in our communities and arguing that certain passages of the Koran are too antiquated for our times. As I see it, the injunction to “stand out firmly for justice even against . . . your kin” is our divine “See something, say something” mandate. But too often, this passage is misused as a justification for attacking our own.

While we still have a long way to go, I have seen progress since I started calling for women’s rights in mosques and challenging the extremism I saw in American Muslim communities. Our mosque in Morgantown, a mostly male congregation, elected its first female president a few years ago, and she was largely accepted as a leader. But most women still shuffle through the back door and pray in a separate balcony.

Four years ago, the Muslim Public Affairs Council, an advocacy group, announced programs to discuss “taboo topics” such as homosexuality, interfaith marriage and extremism. Recently, young Muslim leaders in Northern Virginia started an initiative to create mosques that promote assimilation, interfaith harmony and women’s rights. Later this month, a new group, the Women’s Mosque of America, will hold a female-led prayer service in Los Angeles, a rare event in Muslim communities.

Next month, the Obama administration will hold a conference on challenging violent extremism, and President Obama last year called on Muslim communities to “explicitly, forcefully and consistently reject the ideology of al-Qaeda and ISIL.” But his administration isn’t framing extremism as a problem directly tied to Islam. Last month, by contrast, Egyptian President Abdel Fatah al-Sissi acknowledged that there was an ideology problem in Islam and said, “We need to revolutionize our religion.”

When I heard Sissi’s words, I thought: Finally.

Beyond these statements, though, we need a new interpretation of Islamic law in order to change the culture. This would require rejecting the eight schools of religious thought that dominate the Sunni and Shiite Muslim world. I propose naming a new one after ijtihad, the concept of critical thinking, and elevating self-examination over toxic shame-based discourse, laws and rules. Such a project could take the power out of the hands of the status quo clerics, politicians and experts and replace it with a progressive interpretation of faith motivated not by defending honor but acting honorably.
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Postby 82_28 » Sun Nov 15, 2015 4:39 pm

Whatever happened to any "traction" that Norwegian white supremacist got a few years back when he was massacring the multi-cultural campground gathering and the bomb he detonated? It didn't get any. Into the memory hole. Also no calls that this is the "beginning of WWIII."
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Postby JackRiddler » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:27 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:The sheer omnipotence being attributed to NATO (or Israel or The NWO or neo-cons) by presuming that projects like ISIS are taking orders from the top -- is insane to me. Even at Gladio's false flag peak, they were recruiting from abundantly available raw material: the true believers. To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.


Quite. Well, generations of a particular minority. Which has gone through a lot of transformations.

The role of the Western "top" (which largely goes through or rather includes Saudi Arabia and Gulf states, making this more complicated, and is otherwise heterogeneous, multi-polar and factional) has been to feed the biotope with arms, training, mercenaries and cash, deploying various militias as on-the-ground proxies to various often conflicting ends; and then seeing a) the militias transmute, recombine, absorb and break up, producing results like AQ Iraq and Daesh; and b) jihadi internationals disperse all over the place, throughout the Muslim, Post-Soviet and Western worlds, largely autonomous, with multiple agendas and influences at work. This has now been going on for 35 years and it is a lot more than can be explained by simple "blowback" or "cui bono" arguments, it is certain at this point there is no in-control "top" of any of it. I don't think the Russians or the Americans (here meaning their official intel arms) or even the Saudis or Iranians or Turks have a clear idea of what is going on in Syria-Iraq anymore. About all they know is that in the morning they coordinate enough of the day's bombing runs to avoid getting into dogfights with each other, for now. All of the governments are much better at looking up the bunghole of their own more law-abiding citizens in real time than telling who the fuck they're killing -- and/or arming -- on the ground in the Middle East.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Nov 15, 2015 5:50 pm

Elvis wrote,

Dude, sorry, but get real, that's Sorcha Faal! :lol:

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1941.htm

Sorcha Faal has been posting completely, verifiably made-up stuff on the Web for years now. Completely made up stuff. Read the archives, it's garbage, good only for its comic value.



That was my first thought too, Elvis, Sorcha Faal.

d&c wrote,

"Uh.. :tiphat:...I did call it "woo", which means not to be taken seriously, right?"


Wrong again. Sadly, you've confused "propaganda" with "woo."

And that particular propaganda is bullshit.

Besides, that's just ridiculous. Waiting 800 years to take revenge against an act of a then reigning Pope? By slaughtering innocents in France?

It is indeed a high day for Satanists, though.

And I feel as WRex has so well expressed here:

Wombaticus Rex wrote,
The sheer omnipotence being attributed to NATO (or Israel or The NWO or neo-cons) by presuming that projects like ISIS are taking orders from the top -- is insane to me. Even at Gladio's false flag peak, they were recruiting from abundantly available raw material: the true believers. To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.


I don't believe it's necessary to assume this tragic event was formulated in a conspiracy organized by one or more government's intelligence agency, that it was a false flag event. I also don't believe a "mastermind" would be necessary to instigate a dozen or so young men to organize such an event, though their explosive belts do raise questions about their origin.

The "mastermind bombmaker" that "got away" may or may not exist.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:29 pm

NOVEMBER 11, 2015 · 8:46 PM
Saudi Arabia: A Kingdom Stumbles
A Kingdom Stumbles: Saudi Arabia

Dispatches From The Edge

Oct. 31, 2015

For the past eight decades Saudi Arabia has been careful.


Using its vast oil wealth, it has quietly spread its ultra-conservative brand of Islam throughout the Muslim world, secretly undermined secular regimes in its region and prudently kept to the shadows, while others did the fighting and dying. It was Saudi money that fueled the Mujahedeen in Afghanistan, underwrote Saddam Hussein’s invasion of Iran, and bankrolled Islamic movements and terrorist groups from the Caucuses to Hindu Kush.



Today that circumspect diplomacy is in ruins, and the House of Saud looks more vulnerable than it has since the country was founded in 1926. Unraveling the reasons for the current train wreck is a study in how easily hubris, illusion, and old-fashioned ineptness can trump even bottomless wealth.



The Kingdom’s first stumble was a strategic decision last fall to undermine competitors by upping oil production and, thus, lowering the price. Their reasoning was that, if the price of a barrel of oil dropped from over $100 to around $80, it would strangle competition from more expensive sources and new technologies, including the U.S. fracking industry, the arctic, and emergent producers like Brazil. That, in turn, would allow Riyadh to reclaim its shrinking share of the energy market.



There was also the added benefit that lower oil prices would damage countries that the Saudis didn’t like: Russia, Venezuela, Ecuador, and Iran.



In one sense it worked. The American fracking industry is scaling back, the exploitation of Canada’s oil sands has slowed, and many arctic drillers closed up shop. And, indeed, countries like Venezuela, Ecuador, and Russia took a serious economic hit. But despite obvious signs, the Saudis failed to anticipate China’s economic slowdown and how that would dampen economic growth in the leading industrial nations. The price of oil went from $115 a barrel in June 2014 to $44 today. Because it is so pure, it costs less than $10 to produce a barrel of Saudi oil.



The Kingdom planned to use its almost $800 billion in financial reserves to ride out the drop in prices, but it figured that oil would not fall below $80 a barrel, and then only for a few months.



According to the Financial Times, in order to balance its budget, Saudi Arabia needs a price of between $95 and $105 a barrel. And while oil prices will likely rise over the next five years, projections are that price per barrel will only reach $65. Saudi debt is on schedule to rise from 6.7 percent of GDP this year to 17.3 percent next year, and its 2015 budget deficit is $130 billion.



Saudi Arabia is spending $10 billion a month in foreign exchange reserves to pay the bills and has been forced to borrow money on the international financial market. Two weeks ago the International Monetary Fund’s (IMF) regional director, Masood Ahmed, warned Riyadh that the country would deplete its financial reserves in five years unless it drastically cut its budget.



But the Kingdom can’t do that.



When the Arab Spring broke out in 2011, the Saudi Arabia headed it off by pumping $130 billion into the economy, raising wages, improving services and providing jobs for its growing population. Saudi Arabia has one of the youngest populations in the Middle East, a lot of it unemployed and much of it poorly educated. Some 25 percent of the population lives in poverty. Money keeps the lid on, but for how long, even with the heavy-handed repression that characterizes Saudi political life?



In March, the Kingdom intervened in Yemen, launching an air war, a naval blockade, and partial ground campaign on the pretense that Iran was behind the civil war, a conclusion not even the Americans agree with.



Again, the Saudis miscalculated, even though one of its major allies, Pakistan, warned Riyadh that it was headed for trouble. In part, the Kingdom’s hubris was fed by the illusion that U.S. support would make it a short war—the Americans are arming the Saudis, supplying them with bombing targets, backing up the naval blockade, and refueling their warplanes in mid-air.



But six months down the line the conflict has turned into a stalemate. The war has killed 5,000 people, including 500 children, flattened cities, and alienated much of the local population. It has also generated a food and medical crisis, as well as creating opportunities for the IS and Al-Qaeda to seize territory in Southern Yemen. Efforts by the UN to investigate the possibility of war crimes were blocked by Saudi Arabia and the U.S.



As the Saudis are finding out, war is a very expensive business, a burden the Saudis could meet under normal circumstances, but not when the price the Kingdom’s only commodity, oil, is plummeting.



Nor is Yemen the only war that the Saudis are involved with. Riyadh, along with other Gulf monarchies, including Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, are underwriting many of the groups trying to overthrow Syria’s Bashar al-Assad. When anti-government demonstrations broke out in 2011, the Saudis—along with the Americans and the Turks—calculated that Assad could be toppled in a few months.



But that was magical thinking. As bad as Assad is, a lot of Syrians, particularly minorities like Shiites, Christians, and Druze, were far more afraid of the Islamists from al-Qaeda and the IS then they were of their own government. So the war has dragged on for four years and has now killed close to 250,000 people.



Once again, the Saudis miscalculated, though in this case they were hardly alone. The Syrian government turned out to be more resilient that it appeared. And Riyadh’s bottom line that Assad had to go just ended up bringing Iran and Russia into the picture, checkmating any direct intervention by the anti-Assad coalition. Any attempt to establish a no-fly zone will have to confront the Russian air force, not something that anyone other than U.S. presidential aspirants are eager to do.



The war has also generated a flood of refugees, deeply alarming the European Union, which finally seems to be listening to Moscow’s point about the consequences of overthrowing governments without a plan as to who takes over. There is nothing like millions of refugees headed in your direction to cause some serious re-thinking of strategic goals.



The Saudis goal of isolating Iran is rapidly collapsing. The P5+1—The U.S., China, Russia, Great Britain, France, and Germany—successfully completed a nuclear agreement with Teheran, despite every effort by the Saudis and Israel to torpedo it. And at Moscow’s insistence, Washington has reversed its opposition to Iran being included in peace talks around Syria.



Stymied in Syria, mired down in Yemen, its finances increasingly fragile, the Kingdom also faces internal unrest from its long marginalized Shiia minority in the country’s east and south. To top it off, the IS has called for the “liberation” of Mecca from the House of Saud and launched a bombing campaign aimed at the Kingdom’s Shiites.



Last month’s Hajj disaster that killed more than 2100 pilgrims—and anger at the Saudi authorities foot dragging on investigating the tragedy—have added to the royal family’s woes. The Saudi’s claim 769 people were killed, a figure that no other country in the world accepts. And there are persistent rumors that the deadly stampede was caused when police blocked off an area in order to allow high-ranking Saudis special access to the holy sites.



Some of these missteps can be laid at the feet of the new king, Salman bin Abud-Aziz Al Saud, and of a younger generation of aggressive Saudis he has appointed to key positions. But Saudi Arabia’s troubles are also a reflection of a Middle East in transition. Exactly where that it is headed is by no means clear, but change is in the wind.



Iran is breaking out of its isolation and, with its large, well-educated population, strong industrial base, and plentiful energy resources, is poised to play a major regional, if not international, role. Turkey is in the midst of a political upheaval, and there is growing opposition among Turks to Ankara’s meddling in the Syrian civil war



Saudi Arabia, on the other hand, is impaled on its own policies, both foreign and domestic. “The expensive social contract between the Royal family and Saudi citizens will get more difficult, and eventually impossible to sustain if oil prices don’t recover,” Meghan L. O’Sullivan, director of the Geopolitics of Energy project at Harvard told the New York Times.



However, the House of Saud has little choice but to keep pumping oil to pay for its wars and keep the internal peace. But more production drives down prices even further, and, once the sanctions come off of Iran, the oil glut will become worse.



While it is still immensely wealthy, there are lots of bills coming due. It is not clear the Kingdom has the capital or the ability to meet them.
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Postby Grizzly » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:36 pm

Seeing reports that French aircraft are bombing ISIS Assad.
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Postby Grizzly » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:37 pm

Grizzly » Sun Nov 15, 2015 6:36 pm wrote:Seeing reports that French aircraft are bombing ISIS Assad.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-11-1 ... is-capital
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:07 pm

NOVEMBER 13, 2015
Bombing ISIS Into the Heart of Europe: the New Face War
by PATRICK COCKBURN

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Nobody in the outside world paid much attention to the thousands of Iraqi Shia who were killed then and have gone on dying because of ISIS terrorist bombings in Iraq. The number of civilians killed in Iraq jumped from 4,623 in 2012 to 9,473 in 2013 and to 17,045 in 2014, according to Iraqi Body Count, an independent website; a high proportion of these killed were Shia victims of Isis bombers and executioners. This savagery is now being repeated in the streets of Paris and Ankara, where 102 demonstrators for peace were killed by two suicide bombers on 10 October.

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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby Lord Balto » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:12 pm

stefano » Sun Nov 15, 2015 3:25 pm wrote:Coming in late here, good thread all.

General Patton wrote:Why is NATO false flagging attacks that will make the current pro-NATO faction look weak and empower right wing radicals who are anti-NATO?

It makes the socialists look weak. It'll empower the radical right, but also the Gaullist right. 2017 is going to be a race between the FN and the Gaullists (who this year changed their name from the Union for a Popular Movement (UMP) to the catchier Les Républicains, on an initiative by Nicolas Sarkozy). It's going to play out like it did in 2002, when Lionel Jospin dropped out in the first round (that time it was because of fragmentation on the left), and the second round was between Jacques Chirac and Jean-Marie Le Pen. Chirac took the second round with 82%! I expect something similar in 2017: Sarkozy (probably) against Marine Le Pen in the second round, Sarko to win thumpingly. He gets to implement a lot of hard-right social politics aligned with those of the FN that his sponsors like anyway, but France's membership of the EU or NATO is not in question, nor are an austere fiscal policy and cuts to benefits.

And I like this:

Wombaticus Rex wrote:The sheer omnipotence being attributed to NATO (or Israel or The NWO or neo-cons) by presuming that projects like ISIS are taking orders from the top -- is insane to me. Even at Gladio's false flag peak, they were recruiting from abundantly available raw material: the true believers. To attribute the entire decades-long polymorphous history of Islamic resistance to the whims of some white, educated puppet master is to deny the free moral agency of generations of human beings.

Very well put. Of course some terror attacks are just what they look like. In this case I'm tending to suspect some puppeteering, though, mainly because of the choice of targets: young, urban professionals and hipsters, who would be expected to lean left, rather than the symbols of state authority that are terrorists' usual targets in Arab countries. And the passport that that one dude thoughtfully remembered to take along on his suicidal mass murder.


At least they weren't nice enough to leave a list of the supposed perpetrators in a rental car like they did on September 11, 2001.
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Re: Terrorists take Eagles of Death Metal show in Paris host

Postby NaturalMystik » Sun Nov 15, 2015 7:57 pm

divideandconquer » Sun Nov 15, 2015 9:15 am wrote:
Here's some woo, which basically boils it down to the revenge of Pope Francis.

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Interesting... A little more on the master magical numbers 11 - 13 for anyone who cares:

Number 11
11 is a master number. Ten is the perfect number (god) and 11 represents God being exceeded. 11 should not be broken down as it is a master vibration. However, when broken down (1+1=2) it represents the 2 of duality. 11 can represent sin, transgression and peril. “The number 11 is the essence of all that is sinful, harmful and imperfect” – W. Wyn Wescott, the Occult Power of Numbers.

11 is the combination of the pentagram (5) and the hexagram (6), the male and female, the union of opposites.

Number 13
13 is a sacred number. 13 represents death and rebirth. 13 can also represent rebellion against God’s authority. 13 is a very important number to the Brotherhood and was not intended to be used by the profane- hence the superstitions surrounding 13 they are taught. “It’s OUR number, it’s not for you goyim”.

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