What constitutes Misogyny?

[compared2what?]

You're still wrong. I may do a youtube video to try to convince you, perhaps I am more verbally convincing than literally.

Wait. Now I'm confused. Have you been using extra-verbal media of some sort to persuade me of the merit of your convictions thus far? Because that might explain a lot. I've just been receiving the words.

Fucking internet. Give me my pictograms and glyphs, already! Stephen gave them to me and they're mine.

I want them.

Well, I was thinking more about tone of voice and those sorts of things which are commonly regarded as being excluded by internet communication. Verbal as in spoken words, not just wordy words.

Oh! You mean oral words.

And my pretty face, of course.

Okay. I want to see you covered in rose petals.

[Stephen Morgan]

BTW The only people ridiculing you on this thread are guys (me and wintler it seems. Bloody colonials must be angry about the cricket or something. And funnily enough we both think you resemble a croaky old fart right now.)

Just "right now"? Now you're just being insulting.

Wintler seems to have developed a dislike for me, since his incredibly aggressive posturing in a thread about renewable energy. I was only there to say that wind power is too unreliable to form a part of either base load or load following generation, and is inferior to some other types of sustainable generation, and he went ape-shit on all fours about the inevitability of imminent total depletion of our energy reserves and the impossibility of sustaining a decent level of power generation by any means.

Me and the girls on the thread have a certain level of understanding, or at least we've been banging on about these things for enough pages that we don't just call each other names. Just looking for a bit of common ground on relevant issues, as we're not going to convince each other on core issues, like whether feminism is an autochthonous movement of an oppressed class for freedom or a tool of the cryptocracy to manipulate a privileged group into causing division amongst the working class. Also, my core position on that issue has been forbidden from consideration, which further removes the desirability of continuing argument on that front.

You could always join in and bare your soul, as charlie meadows says.

[Stephen Morgan]

You're still wrong. I may do a youtube video to try to convince you, perhaps I am more verbally convincing than literally.

Wait. Now I'm confused. Have you been using extra-verbal media of some sort to persuade me of the merit of your convictions thus far? Because that might explain a lot. I've just been receiving the words.

Fucking internet. Give me my pictograms and glyphs, already! Stephen gave them to me and they're mine.

I want them.

Well, I was thinking more about tone of voice and those sorts of things which are commonly regarded as being excluded by internet communication. Verbal as in spoken words, not just wordy words.

Oh! You mean oral words.

No, I mean aural words.

And my pretty face, of course.

Okay. I want to see you covered in rose petals.

More of a fluffy kitten sort of man.

[wintler2]

..Wintler seems to have developed a dislike for me, since his incredibly aggressive posturing in a thread about renewable energy.

Another trollish provocation, another non sequitor ... yawn, stephen, yawn.
I take it you're referring to my challenging your fatuous pretensions to expert engineering knowledge. Maybe you should stick to your chosen obsession, pseudofactual rationalisations for masculine selfpity.

..You could always join in and bare your soul, as charlie meadows says.

Mmm, ridicule, what a cliched way of suppressing emotional expression in yourself and others.

Did you learn that from the bullies at school, or at home? Do you love your internalised controller?

[Stephen Morgan]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43029928/ns ... tn_africa/

Bit of a gruesome one, so to summarise this woman had acid thrown in her face by some bloke who wanted to marry her, in Iran predictably. Didn't realise it would cause any harm, apparently. Do you think this is an example of misogyny? He is to be punished not in the traditional Iranian manner of paying a shedload of compensation to victims of violent crime but by being blinded by acid himself, on the insistence of the victim who refused to take the money instead. Opinions? Just punishment? Obviously the marry-or-acid approach the bloke took is a classic controlling abusive behaviour, but do you think it has origins in misogyny or just interpersonal relations? Seems like this isn't a one-off case.

[compared2what?]

More of a fluffy kitten sort of man.

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wintler2 is good people, Stephen.

BTW.

[Stephen Morgan]

..Wintler seems to have developed a dislike for me, since his incredibly aggressive posturing in a thread about renewable energy.

Another trollish provocation, another non sequitor ...

Just responding the Joe's observation. Thankyou, though, for the example of your aggressive posturing and your growing obsession with my awfulness.

yawn, stephen, yawn.

I get stroppy when I'm tired too, go and sleep it off.

I take it you're referring to my challenging your fatuous pretensions to expert engineering knowledge.

I don't see how having an opinion on the desirability of energy efficiency is having pretensions to expert engineering knowledge. I mean, I spoke out in that post for redistribution of wealth, would you like to claim that I alluded to my expert education in economics too?

In fact I only got involved in that thread to say that wind power can't provide enough electricity to maintain our current way of life, and you agreed with that, you just chose to pick a fight as well.

Maybe you should stick to your chosen obsession, pseudofactual rationalisations for masculine selfpity.

Well, if you'd stop badgering me maybe I could.

..You could always join in and bare your soul, as charlie meadows says.

Mmm, ridicule, what a cliched way of suppressing emotional expression in yourself and others.

So now making a suggestion is ridicule. I limit the harshness of statements I make to Joe to "taunting" on the hostile-ometer. You, I might ridicule.

Did you learn that from the bullies at school, or at home?

I could have learned it from you, I suppose, but I wouldn't lower myself.

Do you love your internalised controller?

I hug him and kiss him and call him fluffy.

[compared2what?]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43029928/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Bit of a gruesome one, so to summarise this woman had acid thrown in her face by some bloke who wanted to marry her, in Iran predictably. Didn't realise it would cause any harm, apparently. Do you think this is an example of misogyny? He is to be punished not in the traditional Iranian manner of paying a shedload of compensation to victims of violent crime but by being blinded by acid himself, on the insistence of the victim who refused to take the money instead. Opinions? Just punishment? Obviously the marry-or-acid approach the bloke took is a classic controlling abusive behaviour, but do you think it has origins in misogyny or just interpersonal relations? Seems like this isn't a one-off case.

It's a longtime phenomenon in and around there (India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc.) Like bride burning, or a somewhat different form of the bride-kidnapping-and-raping I posted about in the course of pointing out that there were reasons that an African woman would be uniquely qualified to oversee [whatever AIDS program it was], which is also pretty common in that general part of the world, though that one's more of a former-Soviet national practice, IIRC.

Yes, it's misogyny.

[wintler2]

twist and poke and squirm and blah blah

Nice try troll boy, but i wont be joining you on your latest offtopic excursion on this thread (only 2 this page!). If you'd like to try and defend any of your less silly assertions on the wind thread ("geothermal is just like coal", rofl), they're still there waitin for ya.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I hug him and kiss him and call him fluffy.

Didn't you see the picture. There is no Fluffy only Zuul.

Once again I have to bow to c2w who predicted this following exchange with wit and a startling amount of insight wrt to the nature of our internal controllers. brilliant and prescient.

Do you love your internalised controller?

I hug him and kiss him and call him fluffy.

[Joe Hillshoist]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43029928/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/

Bit of a gruesome one, so to summarise this woman had acid thrown in her face by some bloke who wanted to marry her, in Iran predictably. Didn't realise it would cause any harm, apparently. Do you think this is an example of misogyny? He is to be punished not in the traditional Iranian manner of paying a shedload of compensation to victims of violent crime but by being blinded by acid himself, on the insistence of the victim who refused to take the money instead. Opinions? Just punishment? Obviously the marry-or-acid approach the bloke took is a classic controlling abusive behaviour, but do you think it has origins in misogyny or just interpersonal relations? Seems like this isn't a one-off case.

Seriously tho how can you not see this as misogyny? Don't you understand that what you call "just interpersonal relations" is an expression of hatred for a woman because she was a woman?

That was how that individual did his interpersonal thing. By considering a whole bunch of people as unworthy of the basic respect that he would need to have to let them live their lives without burning their faces with acid for not providing him whatever he wants on demand.

BTW

I hope you're not implying she is as barbaric as him for the punishment she requested. I can understand it personally.

Stephen imagine a girl has just blinded you, burned your face off, because you didn't want to marry her. Then she offers money to get out of facing justice. How would you feel. Shes just told you what she thinks your life, your face and your eyesight are worth.

Put a figure on it.

Regardless if its high or low, how would that make you feel?

Reduced to some amount of money. It'd piss me right off.

[compared2what?]

Hey, don't through Grof into the dustbin just yet!

[Edit: Lol "through"! Read "throw."]

He was doing re-birthing at Esalen (yes, that may be a red flag, but Esalen cannot be disregarded as a highly influential organization),

Re-birthing was (and still is) a therapist-sanctioned form of very extreme child abuse, custom-specialized to appeal to moms who hate their autistic and/or adopted kids for being defective merchandise rather than the real children that they thought they'd ordered from the catalog.

But even before that, when it was just in the gestational and supply-still-in-search-of-demand stages of its development, it was complete and utter bullshit. Because it always has been. It's like teen-boot-camps and tough-love boarding schools for (ostensibly) delinquent adolescents.

There are always a certain number and kind of clinicians loitering around out there whose conversion-experience chimes start ringing when they hit on a therapeutic formula that finally permits them to act on the truth they've always known but were previously too blind to see:

It's the fucking patients who are causing all the trouble. They should really spend some time on the receiving end of that and see how they like it.
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Esalen damn well can be disregarded when that's what the person affiliated with it should be, is what I guess I'm saying.

[compared2what?]

*Dionysus was the most unique of the old pre-xtian gods; he was the last to join the pantheon, for example; he was half mortal; he was androgynous; he had a following of unruly women who were want to dismember impertinent men. His arrival probably marks as shift in the collective psychology of the West. Just the idea of a half-mortal god was totally new. I think, i got that right.

I like The Bacchae.

[brainpanhandler]

Hey, don't through Grof into the dustbin just yet!

[Edit: Lol "through"! Read "throw."]

He was doing re-birthing at Esalen (yes, that may be a red flag, but Esalen cannot be disregarded as a highly influential organization),

Esalen damn well can be disregarded when that's what the person affiliated with it should be, is what I guess I'm saying.

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[seemslikeadream]

What you own owns you


The problem, as I see it, no sense of humor and not realizing we are both man and woman. Where does that anger come from? Only place is inside one's own head. I ain't got the foggiest how my grandmothers got by without this thread. And they all were the keepers of the family not the men. This is one angry thread, fer ser.



Man women boy women girl……………

Women without a man is nothing
Without her man is nothing

Women have their faults
Men only have two
Everything they say and everything they do

Men who have pierced ears are better prepared for marriage
They’ve experienced pain
And have bought jewelry
Women have two weapons
Cosmetics and tears

I’m a perfect house keeper
Every time I leave a man I keep his house
No women has ever hated a man
Enough to give him back his diamonds

Why don’t women blink during foreplay?
They don’t have time

Man women boy women girl…………..

Men forget everything
Women remember everything

A girl can wait for the right man to come along
But it doesn’t stop her from having fun
With all the wrong ones in the mean time

The real reason why it’s so difficult to find men
Who are sensitive, caring and good looking?
Is because they all have boyfriends already

A successful man is one who makes more money than his wife spends
A successful women is one who can find such a man

Man women boy women girl…………..

Women driver really means
Someone who doesn’t speed, tailgates, swear, make obscene gestures
And has a better driving record than men have

It’s a guy thing really means
Irrational, illogical, stupid and extremely low

Oh don’t fuss I just cut myself, its no big deal
Really means
I’m about to die but before I die
I want you to remember me as a strong proud man
Who never cries?

Man women boy women girl…………..

If you want to learn more about women
Watch sex in the city
If you want to learn more about men
Take a good look at homer Simpson

The difference between light and dark
Is that men can sleep all night with the lights on