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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby brekin » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:25 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Aug 08, 2016 3:18 pm wrote:
Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:18 am wrote:Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?


The implication being what, it would look like Trump? You gotta be fucking kidding me. Sure it would, in a professional wrestling script. In fact, I mean it seriously every time I say that Wrestlemania XXIII is the first draft for Trump 2016 -- battle of the billionaires, establishment pushed out by hostile takeover.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NsrwH9I9vE

If it happens, when it happens, it will look like Sanders, but with five times as many people on the ground -- and they will be the thing, not the candidate. It will be people power, and it may carry a candidate, but it will be people power first and last. Or it will be nothing.


I don't think it would look like Trump or Sanders. Basically in such a scenario:
an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?


The candidate would have to be the deep conspiracy candidate. A deep cover progressive brother, sleeper cell, inverted Manchurian Candidate who would have the connections and pedigree of a managed candidate, but the covert agenda to turn his back on it all, a kind of Obama cum The Spook Who Stood by the Door, governing like how he campaigned. A guy with Gore Vidal access and critique but with Bruce Wayne balls and moxie. And once he blew his cover, he'd have to have the muckraking and anti-assassination abilities of a bullet proof Ralph Nader. A Kennedy with nine lives.

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Novem5er wrote:@ brekin, that's a pretty good video and review of The Division. I actually have the game and played the heck out of it a few months back. I enjoyed it, but yes it is very silly in a lot of ways (although quite haunting in other aspects).

Here's another video review of the same game with Donald Trump in mind.

The game takes place a week after Donald Trump has been elected president. As a member of The Division, you are brought in by Ubisoft to shoot the shit out of black people. Pretty much, you are just shooting black people for the first third of this game. . .


Not true - but hilarious.



Yes, the simulacrum is starting look all too real.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 8:45 pm

brekin » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:25 pm wrote:The candidate would have to be the deep conspiracy candidate. A deep cover progressive brother, sleeper cell, inverted Manchurian Candidate who would have the connections and pedigree of a managed candidate, but the covert agenda to turn his back on it all, a kind of Obama cum The Spook Who Stood by the Door, governing like how he campaigned. A guy with Gore Vidal access and critique but with Bruce Wayne balls and moxie. And once he blew his cover, he'd have to have the muckraking and anti-assassination abilities of a bullet proof Ralph Nader. A Kennedy with nine lives.


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Agent Orange Cooper » Mon Aug 08, 2016 11:35 pm

TRUMP is seriously dangerous.... say literally all of the worst people in the world

perhaps it's just a brilliant reverse psychology ploy?

http://cnn.it/2b8JTPP

50 GOP national security experts oppose Trump
Washington (CNN) Fifty prominent Republican foreign policy and national security experts -- many veterans of George W. Bush's administration -- have signed a letter denouncing Donald Trump's presidential candidacy and pledging not to vote for him.

The letter, first reported by The New York Times Monday, warns: "We are convinced that in the Oval Office, he would be the most reckless President in American history."

Its signatories include former CIA and National Security Agency Director Michael Hayden, former Director of National Intelligence and Deputy Secretary of State John Negroponte and Eric Edelman, who was Vice President Dick Cheney's national security adviser and has worked closely with Michele Flournoy -- a candidate for secretary of defense in a prospective Clinton administration -- to forge a centrist group of defense experts on key military issues.

It also includes two Homeland Security secretaries under Bush, Tom Ridge and Michael Chertoff, and Robert Zoellick, a former World Bank president, U.S. trade representative and deputy secretary of state.


Trump's campaign responded with a statement from Trump denouncing the signatories as people who deserve the "blame for making the world such a dangerous place."

Many of the same leaders wrote an open letter in March during the Republican primaries condemning Trump and pledging to oppose his candidacy, at a time when other GOP candidates remained in the race.

The letter acknowledges that many Americans "have doubts about Hillary Clinton, as do many of us."

"But Donald Trump is not the answer to America's daunting challenges and to this crucial election," it says.

In the new letter, the group warns Trump "lacks the temperament to be President."

"He is unable or unwilling to separate truth from falsehood. He does not encourage conflicting views. He lacks self-control and acts impetuously. He cannot tolerate personal criticism. He has alarmed our closest allies with his erratic behavior," the letter claims. "All of these are dangerous qualities in an individual who aspires to be President and Commander-in-Chief, with command of the U.S. nuclear arsenal."

The idea of writing such a letter had been discussed by GOP national security officials for a while, but gained momentum when Trump called on Russia to share Clinton emails it potentially hacked and when he took a position many saw as legitimizing Russia's claim to Ukraine's Crimea region.

"We thought it was important to make the point that even for longtime Clinton critics, Trump poses too big a risk to short- and long-term national security," one person involved with the letter said.

It was drafted by John Bellinger, a former State Department legal adviser to then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, with edits from Bob Blackwill, a former George H.W. Bush White House adviser, and Eliot Cohen, also a former adviser to Rice.

Bellinger told CNN the letter was circulated five days ago with very few changes.

"People were in different places about whether they want to endorse Clinton and their doubts about her, but we settled on a statement that recognizes many people have concerns about Clinton," he said. "Some people will clearly endorse her, others will never endorse her, but everyone was united in their belief that Donald Trump is not qualified."

Bellinger said he wanted to focus on gathering signatures from very high-level people -- several cabinet secretaries, numerous deputies and many dozen assistant secretaries and White House staff that worked directly with the president.

"We wanted to get the most senior people we could: household names, of people who have worked in the Situation Room and know what is required of the president," he said. "I wanted almost every name to be familiar to those who follow the issues and who could speak with first-hand knowledge of what requires to be president. "

Another official who signed the letter told CNN that most signatories travel abroad and interact with current and former world leaders. Many were alarmed at how many world leaders said they were concerned that Trump's "recklessness" would invite America's enemies to be even more reckless.

This official said he was stunned by how "enthusiastic" everyone was to sign.

Trump has met with other GOP foreign policy bigwigs, including former secretaries of state Henry Kissinger and James Baker. Neither signed the letter.

"The names on this letter are the ones the American people should look to for answers on why the world is a mess, and we thank them for coming forward so everyone in the country knows who deserves the blame for making the world such a dangerous place. They are nothing more than the failed Washington elite looking to hold onto their power, and it's time they are held accountable for their actions," Trump said in a statement.

"These insiders -- along with Hillary Clinton -- are the owners of the disastrous decisions to invade Iraq, allow Americans to die at Benghazi, and they are the ones who allowed the rise of ISIS. Yet despite these failures, they think they are entitled to use their favor trading to land taxpayer-funded government contracts and speaking fees."

A senior Trump adviser sought to tie the letter's signatories to Clinton, saying: "Crooked Hillary and the rest of the Washington insiders are going to try to stop this grassroots effort at every turn."

"They're on the wrong side of history," the adviser said. "They're the ones launching a political attack ... and they have to own up to their role in putting the world in the place that it's in right now."
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:23 am

It's clear that almost the entire political establishment does not want him, whether they served under the Bush or Clinton/Obama administrations, the corporations or the permanent bureaucratic state. Yes, the worst people in the world are against him. This doesn't make him good, or right about anything. They hate him because he is a clown playing with their precious symbols. That doesn't mean there is no reason to hate him otherwise. He provides the reasons on a daily basis. The best people in the world are also against him.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Nordic » Tue Aug 09, 2016 2:58 am

He's far less of a threat to civilization and the human race and the biosphere in general that the one all these dual-citizen neocons are supporting, good old HRC.

That's what's so weird.

The blowhard billionaire buffoon might just thwart the psychotic gang of evil villains' plans for World Domination.

It could be a great comedy if it wasn't really happening. Kind of like an American Inspector Clouseau.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:01 am

As I have said before, Trump's statements on foreign policy are undercut to a degree by his seeming impulsiveness; the man can seem to shift with the wind.

Still, though, foreign policy is the area where the worst people being against him, to use Jack's formulation, outweighs the best being against him too (many of the best oppose him far more for his domestic policy or his cultural leanings).

Yesterday, 50 of the absolute worst neocons and neoliberals, 50 of the very architects of the US and NATO's sickening, outlandish, dishonest, and late-imperial foreign policy wrote an open letter against Trump.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/tru ... e2a5a0ba36

Now, whatever the language of this letter, all of us here at RI know that these people are only against Trump due to his comparatively restrained foreign policy. We all know that they all have all proven more than willing to accept the support of bigots, Christian fundamentalists, Dominionists and whatever else because we saw them do it all through the Bush era. So this letter is a simple critique of a restrained foreign policy.

Trump's response was as follows, and contains a few of the sentiments that, while untrustworthy, lead me to rank his foreign policy above that of Hillary, who is aligned with and enjoys the support of these people.

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Jerky » Tue Aug 09, 2016 5:44 am

So, FDR, basically.

Agent Orange Cooper » 09 Aug 2016 00:45 wrote:
brekin » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:25 pm wrote:The candidate would have to be the deep conspiracy candidate. A deep cover progressive brother, sleeper cell, inverted Manchurian Candidate who would have the connections and pedigree of a managed candidate, but the covert agenda to turn his back on it all, a kind of Obama cum The Spook Who Stood by the Door, governing like how he campaigned. A guy with Gore Vidal access and critique but with Bruce Wayne balls and moxie. And once he blew his cover, he'd have to have the muckraking and anti-assassination abilities of a bullet proof Ralph Nader. A Kennedy with nine lives.


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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Blue » Tue Aug 09, 2016 6:57 am

Thought experiment for anyone who wants to partake: if there were ever an actual insurgency of an anti-establishment, anti-deep state, anti-Nazionist cabal, etc, candidate with real 'juice' (meaning no namby-pamby Green or Libertarian outlier candidate) entering the mainstream political arena of the US, what would you imagine it would look like?


What the hell does "namby-pamby" Green mean? With that dismissive and derisive attitude even at RI it's no wonder Stein can't get traction. Talk about poisoning the well.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby km artlu » Tue Aug 09, 2016 7:22 am

From Matt Taibbi in the August 11 Rolling Stone:

It was a tremendous accomplishment that real-life conservative voters did what progressives could not quite do in the Democratic primaries. Republican voters penetrated the many layers of money and political connections and corporate media policing that are designed to keep the riffraff from getting their mitts on the political process.

But it wasn't covered that way...not as a groundbreaking act of defiance, but as a spectacular failure of democracy. The once-divided media class came together to gang-troll flyover America for its preposterous decision, turning coverage of the convention into a parable on the evil of letting voters make up their own dumb minds. Look what happens, you rubes, when you step outside the lines.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby kool maudit » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:21 am

Today Taibbi tweeted that Trump's naming of John Paulson to his economic team "completely undercuts any argument he could make about HRC being a Wall St shill", and he's right.

This is that lack of foundation, that lack of philosophy mentioned upstream. Is he a tone-deaf nationalist or a tone-deaf movement conservative? You don't even know.

(Still better from a foreign policy perspective though. Which is, to borrow a phrase: Sad!)
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 09, 2016 8:48 am

you can't have any foreign policy from a serial liar

he lies once every 5 minutes

he scraped his tax plan he had months ago when the repubs said you are going to use this one yesterday...he changes his mind on a dime
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Aug 09, 2016 9:28 am

"Unusual" accounting: Inside a Trump business audit

NEW YORK -- In a three-sentence letter on April 22, 1987, Donald Trump signed off on a series of accounting changes that allowed his first hotel to shortchange New York City nearly $3 million in rent, city auditors later concluded.

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A decade before, Trump struck a unique deal freeing the hotel of $160 million in property taxes over the course of 40 years, while guaranteeing the city a small financial stake in its success: New York City received annual rent payments tied to the Grand Hyatt's profits. In 1986, the hotel had its best year, raking in nearly $80 million. City officials expected to receive at least as much as the $3.7 million paid the year before.

But a month after Trump and his partners signed off on the accounting changes, the city was paid just $667,155.

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What followed was a two-year-long saga in which city auditors said they were met with stonewalling, disorganization and obfuscation at every turn. Thirty years later, as the Republican nominee for president cites an IRS audit while refusing to release his tax returns, the Grand Hyatt case offers rare insight into what an audit of a Trump business can look like.

Experts asked by CBS News to examine the city auditor's report, which was completed in 1989, described the behavior of hotel and Trump Organization officials as "unusual" and "unheard of."

Karen Burstein, who was the city's auditor general at the time, told CBS News she never forgot the case.

"Something was fishy there," Burstein said referring to the hotel's owners. "This was not the behavior of an innocent party. I think that's what became evident to us."

The experts who examined her report say it detailed failures in basic bookkeeping, the seemingly sudden adoption of irregular accounting methods, and efforts to stymie officials.

Stonewalling

It was more than a year before city officials were allowed to step inside the Grand Hyatt. On one occasion, a date was agreed on for the audit to begin, but cancelled the day before by hotel lawyers. That law firm, Dreyer and Traub, represented Trump throughout the 1980s.

Certified public accountant Robert Tobey said auditors rarely face such delays.

"It's one of those things you want closure on. Why would you want this hanging over your head?" said Tobey, a partner at Perelson Weiner LLP, which audits corporations, hedge funds, private equity funds and non-profits. "Stonewalling auditors is not a common practice. You want to make them go away."

Yet Dreyer and Traub challenged city officials before they even got started, arguing that the city did not have a right to examine the hotel's records. Eventually, the law firm reversed course, but it was an early warning sign that this would not be a normal audit, experts said.

DREYER AND TRAUB (p. 58)
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Accountants are typically in charge in the early stages of an audit, and attorneys only show up at the end, if there's a dispute, said certified public accountant John Lieberman, also of Perelson Weiner.

"It appears in this case, the attorneys came in almost with guns blazing, and said, 'You're not allowed to audit,' which is a very, very unusual thing," Lieberman said. "I would say in 35 years I have never seen that type of thing."

But it was what the city's auditors discovered when they got inside the hotel that most surprised forensic accountant Rumbi Petrozzello.

Missing books

The amount of financial information simply missing was staggering.

For just the year 1986, the hotel, which was managed by the Hyatt Corporation, was unable to produce:

Seven of 12 monthly ledgers
Three of 12 detailed ledgers
25 of 87 income journals
One of five payroll cycles
26 of 84 expense vouchers
"That's the stuff you're expected to hold on to, for various reasons," said Petrozzello, of Rock Financial Forensics, who along with Lieberman and Tobey, is a member of the New York State Society of Certified Public Accountants. "Even if it's for an IRS audit, what are you going to say, 'I don't keep scraps of paper.'"

But "scrap of paper" is exactly what the hotel called its guest checks, food receipts and other financial records in correspondence with auditors
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Keeping such basic information would be a "herculean task" the hotel wrote in its response to the city's audit. The hotel also argued that its contract with the city did not require it to keep those records.

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Auditors were most concerned about the missing monthly ledgers, the records that should have detailed more than half a year of income and expenses.

The hotel said the ledgers were stored off-site, in a room in New Jersey that had been flooded. Computerized records had been sent to an office in Chicago, where they were lost, the hotel said.

"Just inexcusable," said Burstein.

Auditors also discovered that the hotel maintained "two capitalization policies in the same year," allowing its accountants -- a soon-to-be bankrupt firm named Laventhol and Horwath -- to produce an in-house estimate of profits that was drastically different than what the city was given.

Generally Unacceptable Accounting Principles

Businesses typically calculate their revenues and expenses using one of two accounting methods, cash or accrual. This is one of the marquee concepts of the Generally Accepted Accounting Principles (GAAP), a set of standards that guide the field.


Donald Trump (right), father Fred Trump and boxing promoter Don King in 1987, when the younger Trump's Grand Hyatt hotel project changed how it accounted for profits -- an unusual move that sparked a lengthy audit battle with New York City. AP
In 1987, the Grand Hyatt decided to retroactively use both for the year before -- accounting for revenues on a cash basis and expenses on an accrual basis.

Auditors said the decision allowed the hotel to misrepresent its profits, an accusation the hotel denied, arguing that its contract with the city didn't require it to follow GAAP.

"Until now, I have never come across a mixed method of income and expenses, where one is cash and the other is accrual," said Petrozzello. "It doesn't make sense to work that way, because then your numbers are just misleading, in a way."

That January, Laventhol and Horwath first calculated and certified the rent due to New York City, known as the percentage rental, at $3.3 million, roughly in keeping with the amount the Grand Hyatt had paid previously during the 1980s.

But days after they arrived at the $3.3 million figure, the hotel's ownership partners -- Trump's Wembley Realty and Grand Hyatt's Refco Properties -- requested the accounting firm suggest ways to lower their tax and rent payments, according to a letter from Laventhol and Horwath included in the auditor's final report.

The key was to argue that the hotel had profited less, even while revenues had increased.

The importance of profit in calculating the rent was explained by Burstein in a 1989 memo to then-Mayor Ed Koch:

PERCENTAGE RENTAL (p. 3)
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Laventhol and Horwath started by throwing out GAAP.

Using the mismatched cash and accrual methods, the accountants were able to lower the hotel's reported profits enough to cut $1.1 million from the $3.3 million they originally certified.

But that wasn't enough.

The firm then suggested a series of changes in the way the hotel expensed assets, such as furniture.

The hotel's furnishings had always been regarded as having an eight-year lifespan, but suddenly the accountants changed that figure to six years. The result was that the hotel could expense 25 percent more for every single fixture inside the massive, 26-floor building.

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Similar changes were made for expensing freight charges, sales taxes, and labor costs.

Ultimately, Laventhol and Horwath needed to revise the hotel's 1986 financial report three times before it was able to lower the total rent to $667,155, and the Trump-Hyatt partnership were finally willing to approve it for sending to the city.

Then Laventhol and Horwath violated GAAP one last time, the auditors said.

Accountants are supposed to certify financial reports when they are totally complete and no more changes are made. Laventhol and Horwath sent its altered report in May 1987, but kept the original January certification date.

"The January date is therefore false; however, the accountants may have thought it protected them from questions about later recalculations that vary significantly from generally accepted auditing standards," Burstein wrote in her memo to Koch.

Lawyers for New York City would later call the decision to keep the January certification date "a deliberate attempt " to conceal accounting changes and "a fraud against the public," a claim both the accountants and the Trump Organization denied.

Dealing with Trump's people

Burstein said Trump Organization personnel actively engaged with her auditing team throughout the process.

"It was his people who were calling us all the time. It wasn't anybody from Hyatt," Burstein said.

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City correspondence with the hotel's ownership partners was sent to the Trump Organization, according to court documents. And hotel officials tried to keep the audit from being made public, she said.

"They said, but this is Donald Trump ... I have to say they made an enormous fuss about it," Burstein said.

In a letter written after the audit was completed, the hotel's controller, Stan Blagojevic, wrote that he believed the auditors' focus on the hotel "may relate to the presence of Donald Trump as one of the owners."

Blagojevic wrote that his management company had been "extremely reluctant" to work in New York City, "a classic example of urban decay and municipal neglect," until they "were persuaded to do so by the extraordinary vision of Donald J. Trump."

Blagojevic, who passed away in 2004, was harshly critical of the audit.

"Rather than an objective and professional discussion of the audit's findings and conclusions, the draft report is replete with diatribes, hyperbole and histrionics," Blagojevic wrote.

"EXTRAORDINARY VISION" (p. 60)
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The accountants who reviewed Burstein's work for CBS News all had a different take.

"It was probably one of the best reports I've ever read," said Lieberman. "You didn't have to know anything about this backstory except to read what they did. The history, the background, the principles, what happened, it's all very clear."

Trump said in a statement to CBS News that he doesn't recall the audit.

"I sold the hotel many years ago for a tremendous profit. By building the hotel I created thousands of jobs, saved the Grand Central area, and helped to revive a dying, at the time, New York City," Trump said. "The city was extremely happy with that development and you're now bringing up something thirty years later that I've never heard about."

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The Grand Hyatt on New York's East 42nd Street in 2008, a decade after Donald Trump sold his stake in the hotel. BLUESANDVIEWS
The Hyatt Hotels Corporation declined to comment for this story.

Soon after Burstein's report was filed, the Office of the Auditor General was among several city agencies shuttered as part of a series of budget cuts. She went on to be a state court judge, before running as a Democratic candidate for state attorney general in 1994, when she lost to Republican Dennis Vacco.

State officials reviewed Burstein's report in late 1989 and determined it was accurate. They ordered the hotel to pay New York City about $2.9 million. A month later, in January 1990, a Trump Organization official signed for the ownership partners on a lawsuit against the city and state.

The government filed a countersuit, and added Laventhol and Horwath as a defendant. A year later the accounting firm filed for bankruptcy. A judge ordered the case stayed during the bankruptcy proceedings, but a city clerk accidentally marked the case as disposed, according to court documents.

The city forgot about the case until 2000, when another clerk noticed the mistake. In a new series of filings, the city and hotel -- which was no longer owned by Trump, who sold his stake in 1996 -- argued about whether the case could be continued. Ultimately it was, and in 2004 the two sides reached a settlement. Its terms were not disclosed.

For the years after 1986, however, the percentage rental paid to the city again rose into the $3 million range, and continued to increase through 1999, when the hotel paid about $6.8 million.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/inside-a-do ... ccounting/
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Elihu » Tue Aug 09, 2016 10:39 am

It's clear that almost the entire political establishment does not want him, whether they served under the Bush or Clinton/Obama administrations, the corporations or the permanent bureaucratic state. Yes, the worst people in the world are against him. This doesn't make him good, or right about anything.
it tells you, or it should, that you have a big problem and trump is not it. don't plant your intellectual flag and die (metaphorically) there at that crossroads.

green namby pamby (and libertarian for that matter) means the state. it runs off of bad, not good. unlike grass and trees it is not an organic thing that grows in sunlight. mushroom or a fungus, it lives and grows by , well you know what.... there, you have been told.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Blue » Tue Aug 09, 2016 12:37 pm

green namby pamby (and libertarian for that matter) means the state. it runs off of bad, not good. unlike grass and trees it is not an organic thing that grows in sunlight. mushroom or a fungus, it lives and grows by , well you know what.... there, you have been told.


Are you and Agent Orange Cooper the same person?

I don't know what you think you've told me. And by throwing the Green Party in with the Libertarians, you must not know much about either.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby brekin » Tue Aug 09, 2016 1:00 pm

Jerky wrote:So, FDR, basically.

Agent Orange Cooper » 09 Aug 2016 00:45 wrote:
brekin » Mon Aug 08, 2016 5:25 pm wrote:The candidate would have to be the deep conspiracy candidate. A deep cover progressive brother, sleeper cell, inverted Manchurian Candidate who would have the connections and pedigree of a managed candidate, but the covert agenda to turn his back on it all, a kind of Obama cum The Spook Who Stood by the Door, governing like how he campaigned. A guy with Gore Vidal access and critique but with Bruce Wayne balls and moxie. And once he blew his cover, he'd have to have the muckraking and anti-assassination abilities of a bullet proof Ralph Nader. A Kennedy with nine lives.


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Bingo, bingo. FDR, or a.k.a. Ironside

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