To which I would respond: EXACTLY.
Science denying trolls have managed, by design, to turn every issue regarding the deliberate ecocide of our home into this ONE issue.
How much unresolved dissonance is contained in that sentence? Who has funded this as an issue? Certainly not ‘science denying trolls'. If I remember correctly, it goes back to Maggie Thatcher trying to break the coal unions and Maurice Strong.
There now are NO other environmental issues on the radar because these disinformation artists have managed to turn even this issue into yet another polarizing divide-conquer narrative.
Really? I for one would like to talk about just about any other subject in preference to this one, but I go where the conversation is, so here I am.
So I am totally agreeing with you. However you seem to believe that we somehow need to give credence to these Koch Brother-funded trolls in order to .... What exactly?
You really think that this entire thing is a hoax designed to bring about cap and trade? Then why are Koch funded mouthpieces forcing an argument about it???
As earlier indicated to Joe up thread, it’s my opinion that Koch brothers money is the best spent
pro-AGW money in the game. They play 3-D chess while we play checkers.
That makes no sense. None. There would be a unanimous media-supported shouting down of everyone trying to debunk the climate scientists if the corporate PTB goal was to introduce cap and trade and somehow make money off of AGW.
Funny that, I watched the TV news during the time of Sandy Hook, switching channels to check for variations. Realize that during times of angst Bernasian PR folk do their best work. Every channel (including FOX) alternated between filler pieces of gun control and AGW fear mongering. Hmmm, says I, this could be a problem for me over at RI, -well better shut up then says my prudent side.
Instead the opposite is happening. The denial crowd, almost 100% funded by right wing corporate interests, are the ones going "wait a minute -- lets talk about this. Let's argue about this. Let's divide the population on this do we can continue to pollute the shit out of the world and bring on a mass extinction and genetically fuck up a 10,000 year old tradition of agriculture and poison the worlds good supply by obtaining a monopoly on it".
Well I am not part of any denial crowd. No funding. My opinions have been put forward in several places in this thread, to which there has been virtually no substantive response. The big boys fund and promote this thing, not the ‘denialists’.
And that's what's happening. I am horrified that you can't talk about our imminent mass suicide without it turning into a discussion about global warming and whether it's "real" or not.
OK, let’s talk about mimesis and liminality, that would much more relevant to potential issues of imminent mass suicide.
If the whole thing is a hoax then it's to do that very thing. Not implement cap and trade or profit from it in any way but to simply create an entire fake argument so that we won't talk about reality. But I sorta doubt you'd have a near unanimity of the worlds scientists going along with that. It's ludicrous in fact.
You may change your opinion in time.
I mean for gods sake nobody even talks about trees any more. It's all about emissions and carbon and how that's tied to our precious economy when we have destroyed massive amounts of the worlds trees, the lungs of this earth wide organism known as the biosphere.
They've turned our very earth into just another mind fuck.
Well, I guess there is still the question of who ‘they’ are. We seem to differ on that score.
I wish the whole fucking thing would go away so that we could go back to talking about environmental destruction and biodiversity destruction and aquifer depletion and desertification and mountaintop removal and gmos and everything but no, the corporatocracy has discovered a way to get us all arguing about one aspect, one small wavelength in the full spectrum of biological collapse, then go at each other's throats as to whether it's real or not.
Me to, me to, and it will go away, just not soon enough for my taste.
To the layman, our destruction of life on earth is something that may or may not be happening depending on who you listen to. But that isn't the FACT of the matter. You can't argue about FACTS.
Yeah well, I gotta suspect that Monsanto’s pesticides alone do more damage to the environment, (that includes our own bodies), than does CO2. Then add in the DU, the potential nuclear meltdowns if electricity is cut for more than a few weeks, toxins shipped to Africa, banker instigated war and destruction, etc, and it's clear to see that the facts that matter are not the same as the facts we are told that matter.
And now I've hurt little old Ben's feelings because I, the great and powerful Nordic, have deemed him worthy of being smited with the Banning Stick. What a manipulative little pussy.
Nordic, any neutral observer reading this might reasonably consider that you are being a dick. But not a big dick, just a little dick.
He promotes nuke power and fracking. Covering this up with his sugary "namaste" bullshit.
Yeah, I have serious and probably irresolvable issues with BenD also.
He's a fake.
We are all taken in by various elements of delusional thought.
We are all fakes then.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
