What constitutes Misogyny?

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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby charlie meadows » Sun May 15, 2011 12:48 am

I object not to your aims, or to the extent that you aspire to the empowerment of 50% or more of the human race, or that you seek the end of needless suffering and death, or that you are fiercely loyal to your friends. Those are admirable traits.

I object to your rhetoric. It is consistently unsophisticated and divisive. It stifles intelligent dialogue. My quotations are meant to show the points in this thread at which you and some others have not advanced meaningful interaction but subverted it to your own ends, winning by subterfuge what you consider to be a battle in a war of words.

At the same time, if you are proud of what you write, be proud that I quote it for you without comment. Wear my silent disapproval like a medal of honour.
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Plutonia » Sun May 15, 2011 1:22 am

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Plu wrote:About the other thing, I did because Annie encouraged me to, but I probably did it awkwardly. Anyway, that was out of character because I don't generally PM with people. And Jeff knows about my previous nick- I lost that one with an old hushmail account. So, it may seem ominous that I have a new nick, but it isn't.


I know.

Or, rather, I felt confident that all of that was the case, having figured it out. It's not like I get bulletins about stuff like that. I very much hope you know that I wouldn't have dimed you out like that if I'd thought there was any chance that was what I was doing, though.

Because for one thing, I might not be able to pretend to take you seriously on this thread anymore, but that doesn't mean I don't still like and respect username Plutonia. Once I like and respect someone, they tend to stay liked and respected, generally speaking. Minimally rational creatures and so on and so forth. And for another, I wouldn't even do that to a username I felt no sympathy for that went any further than taking it as granted that he or she was a sensitive suffering being like all other people.

I'm a straight shooter about stuff like that. I just got an unconventional style. Clowns, in particular, tend to mistake it for something else.
Yes, that's fine. I'm sorry that something has upset you.

After I made that comment I tried to figure out why am I so obsessed with this dern thread? and I realized that I'm doing that thing that I always compulsively do, which is take up the defense of the scapegoated. I'm sure you know that thing--> "Wait! wait! don't hurt her/him!" Probably is my projection from my own experience of being the oddity on the playground. *sigh*

Anyway, this conversation has been very challenging and rewarding for me and at times, very moving too. In fact, it's been great! You are a formidable presence, and a highlight, but you probably already know that.

And your analysis of that Bob Marley song was farking brilliant!

Let's continue! :glasses:
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby barracuda » Sun May 15, 2011 1:46 am

charlie meadows wrote:I object to your rhetoric. It is consistently unsophisticated and divisive. It stifles intelligent dialogue. My quotations are meant to show the points in this thread at which you and some others have not advanced meaningful interaction but subverted it to your own ends, winning by subterfuge what you consider to be a battle in a war of words.


Not very nice, charlie.



This is fun, but I'm hoping we can return to the topic shortly.
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby compared2what? » Sun May 15, 2011 2:19 am

charlie meadows wrote:I object not to your aims, or to the extent that you aspire to the empowerment of 50% or more of the human race, or that you seek the end of needless suffering and death, or that you are fiercely loyal to your friends. Those are admirable traits.


Thank you.

I object to your rhetoric. It is consistently unsophisticated and divisive. It stifles intelligent dialogue. My quotations are meant to show the points in this thread at which you and some others have not advanced meaningful interaction but subverted it to your own ends, winning by subterfuge what you consider to be a battle in a war of words.


I don't consider this to be a battle in a war of words. Also, I don't use subterfuge. I'm not pursuing any of my "own ends" in any conceivable sense of the phrase that's not stated in my posts.

And if there is any dialog that can be stifled by unsophisticated and divisive rhetoric, I guess I imagine that it couldn't really have been all that intelligent to begin with. But I don't really know. Because I have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

I can think of some instances in which a dialog came to an end after I pointed out that it was factually invalid, or premised on a misunderstanding, or cruel and ignorant bullshit, as well as many more in which it continued merrily along after I'd done the exact same things, much as if I'd never piped up at all. But divisive and unsophisticated rhetoric wasn't much of a factor one way or the other in any of them.

Quite apart from which, intelligent dialog was manifestly not stifled on this thread by any of the quotes the dishonest, sneaky, self-serving and rhetorically lethal nature of which you so very forthrightly brought to my attention by repeating them back to me in rust-colored type. Just like all peope who are more interested in a candid exchange of views than they are in winning mere battles in some notional war of words always do. Of course.

Please provide citations showing the lethal effects of my unsophisticated and divisive rhetoric, my subversive and self-serving agenda, my dishonestly won victories, and my privileging of word-games over substance. Or retract your fucking nonsensical and internally contradictory allegations.

Thanks.

At the same time, if you are proud of what you write, be proud that I quote it for you without comment. Wear my silent disapproval like a medal of honour.


I'm neither proud nor ashamed of what I write. Therefore, I don't need anybody to quote it for me in order to read it with an impartial and critical eye. Most of the time, it's the best that I can do. And please take your silent disapproval off me this instant. I don't like to be touched by strangers.

Thanks again.
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby compared2what? » Sun May 15, 2011 3:54 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:There needs to be a greater deterrent effect for false allegations, assuming we're still talking about rape here. Women who can be shown to have made allegations maliciously should be prosecuted.


Then Stephen Morgan wrote:I think deterrence can be a part of justice. Or at least, a sentence influenced by the desire to deter isn't inherently unjust.


And THEN Stephen Morgan wrote:Well, I don't believe in deterrence. The desire to deter through sentencing is entirely reasonable, it just doesn't work. After America reintroduced the death penalty, for example, those states which took up killing again saw a big jump in murder rates. In fact the more extreme the punishment the less likely people are the imagine that it might happen to them, even if they commit the crime which may bring the punishment down upon their heads.


You just do that stuff as a way of testing the limits of verbal recall, reading comprehension and the overall sense of fair play in an unstructured group setting sometimes, don't you?

Incorrigible, that's what you are.
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun May 15, 2011 5:34 am

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Stephen Morgan wrote:There needs to be a greater deterrent effect for false allegations, assuming we're still talking about rape here. Women who can be shown to have made allegations maliciously should be prosecuted.


Then Stephen Morgan wrote:I think deterrence can be a part of justice. Or at least, a sentence influenced by the desire to deter isn't inherently unjust.


And THEN Stephen Morgan wrote:Well, I don't believe in deterrence. The desire to deter through sentencing is entirely reasonable, it just doesn't work. After America reintroduced the death penalty, for example, those states which took up killing again saw a big jump in murder rates. In fact the more extreme the punishment the less likely people are the imagine that it might happen to them, even if they commit the crime which may bring the punishment down upon their heads.


You just do that stuff as a way of testing the limits of verbal recall, reading comprehension and the overall sense of fair play in an unstructured group setting sometimes, don't you?


I just say what comes to mind in the moment. I'm not a party political manifesto, written by a great big team of policy wonks and analysts to form a consistent platform. Nonetheless it does provide a certain way to set the bounds of my beliefs. In this case: is deterrence unjust? No. Does it work? Not normally. Should it be attempted? Yes, within reason. With fines, too, which I think probably have a greater deterrent effect than prison, or community service, or a slow and painful execution.

Incorrigible, that's what you are.


Only if people insist on incorriging me.

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Also, just in the spirit of charlie meadow's efforts to quote the bizarre and let it indict itself:

JackRiddler wrote:I believe that we all know that men are assaulted as well as women and it is indeed important to keep talking about this in order to disrupt the ‘men cannot be victims’ dichotomy that is so much a part of our tiny little vision of what ‘masculinity’ and ‘femininity’ means. Conversations about male victims are important and should be had. But, as Elsie Hambrook notes in her piece: “The Facts and Politics of Intimate Partner Violence”, ‘But, What About the Men?!’ comments are rarely made in good faith. “They are rarely made in an effort to add to a meaningful discussion…These comments are more often ‘meant to grind the conversation to a halt”. It would appear that, under the circumstances I am looking at, these comments are meant to erase gender from the conversation. Hambrook adds: “It is meant to take away from the few occasions where women’s concerns are taken seriously.”
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun May 15, 2011 8:31 am

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Do you have anything to add about the relative bottleneck at the birth canal and the possible ramifications etc? A minor point in the scheme of things (or maybe not?) but only Plutonia has addressed the issue itself. Thanks Plutonia. It seems to have instigated much trolling though.


Ha.



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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun May 15, 2011 8:38 am

charlie meadows wrote:I object not to your aims, or to the extent that you aspire to the empowerment of 50% or more of the human race, or that you seek the end of needless suffering and death, or that you are fiercely loyal to your friends. Those are admirable traits.

I object to your rhetoric. It is consistently unsophisticated and divisive. It stifles intelligent dialogue. My quotations are meant to show the points in this thread at which you and some others have not advanced meaningful interaction but subverted it to your own ends, winning by subterfuge what you consider to be a battle in a war of words.

At the same time, if you are proud of what you write, be proud that I quote it for you without comment. Wear my silent disapproval like a medal of honour.


Charlie, in all seriousness who the fuck are you make those judgments or calls on a thread about misogyny?

Do you even know what you're saying?

I hope not.
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby charlie meadows » Sun May 15, 2011 9:14 am

compared2what? wrote:Please provide citations showing the lethal effects of my unsophisticated and divisive rhetoric ... and my privileging of word-games over substance.

As brevity is the soul of wit...

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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby JackRiddler » Sun May 15, 2011 9:22 am

Stephen Morgan wrote:Also, just in the spirit of charlie meadow's efforts to quote the bizarre and let it indict itself:

JackRiddler wrote:I believe that we all know that men are assaulted as well as women and it is indeed important to keep talking about this in order to disrupt the ‘men cannot be victims’ dichotomy that is so much a part of our tiny little vision of what ‘masculinity’ and ‘femininity’ means. Conversations about male victims are important and should be had. But, as Elsie Hambrook notes in her piece: “The Facts and Politics of Intimate Partner Violence”, ‘But, What About the Men?!’ comments are rarely made in good faith. “They are rarely made in an effort to add to a meaningful discussion…These comments are more often ‘meant to grind the conversation to a halt”. It would appear that, under the circumstances I am looking at, these comments are meant to erase gender from the conversation. Hambrook adds: “It is meant to take away from the few occasions where women’s concerns are taken seriously.”
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Plutonia » Sun May 15, 2011 1:09 pm

Jeez! I'm sorry that I encouraged him.

I am interested in physiology and brain function, as it relates to misogyny and I was hoping he had something new to contribute. But I guess I just took the bait.

This is cutting edge science, just as Girard is cutting edge theory:

White people lack empathy for brown people, brain research shows.
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New research from the University of Toronto-Scarborough shows that white people’s mirror-neuron-system fires much less, if at all, when they watch people of colour performing motor tasks, and I’m not at all surprised. For years, I just assumed that this was true, and that someone just had to do a study to prove it....

[I edited the author's commentary about how he came to this conclusion himself]

Mirror neurons are a theoretical construct to explain this type of basic bodily empathy in terms of neurons (brain cells). In macaque monkeys, the neurons in the part of their brains that control bodily movement fire (or activate) when they perform bodily movements. However, neuroscientists discovered that these same monkey brain regions also fire when monkeys watch other monkeys perform the same actions. This discovery was revolutionary, because something that previously could not be explained by science—empathy—may be finally understood in terms of things happening in the brain. When a human empathizes with another human, it corresponds to her neural firing “mirroring” the neural firing of the other person, whose neurons would be firing because she would be performing the task itself.

In the recent neuroscience study on racial empathy by Jennifer Gutsell and Michael Inzlicht, they simply found physical evidence that white people have difficulty empathizing with non-white people:

The participants – all white – watched simple videos in which men of different races picked up a glass and took a sip of water. They watched white, black, South Asian and East Asian men perform the task.

Typically, when people observe others perform a simple task, their motor cortex region fires similarly to when they are performing the task themselves. However, the UofT research team, led by PhD student Jennifer Gutsell and Assistant Professor Dr. Michael Inzlicht, found that participants’ motor cortex was significantly less likely to fire when they watched the visible minority men perform the simple task. In some cases when participants watched the non-white men performing the task, their brains actually registered as little activity as when they watched a blank screen.


Note that nothing about this study suggests anything about racial empathy or lackthereof being hard-wired. The human brain is a living, dynamic organ made up of billions of living, changing neurons. An important concept in neuroscience is brain plasticity, which is the capacity of the brain to change with learning through the reorganization of neural connections. Studies on brain activity are about what the brain is doing, not about the brain being stuck or frozen in some permanent state. Brains don’t do that, unless they are dead.

The article also notes:

The trend was even more pronounced for participants who scored high on a test measuring subtle racism, says Gutsell.


Obviously-racist white people have more difficulty empathizing with people of colour than less-racist white people. This is not surprising. Lack of empathy is linked to racism.

However, the team says cognitive perspective taking exercises, for example, can increase empathy and understanding, thereby offering hope to reduce prejudice. Gutsell and Inzlicht are now investigating if this form of perspective-taking can have measurable effects in the brain.


Or we can break down the white-centric media and education systems that use only white people as a model of humanity. Maybe the researchers should test if people of colour really dehumanize white people as much as white people dehumanize us.

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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Plutonia » Sun May 15, 2011 1:51 pm

barracuda wrote:
Plutonia wrote:Bringing this down from upthread, for those that missed it:

...

Do you fellas relate to what he says there at all?



I never lacked for masculine models in life, any more than I lacked for spaces in which I could safely discuss issues of cultural pressures upon men. It has been my experience that virtually any environment in which men are present in any number quickly becomes a de facto man's environment. That includes, but not to exclusion, sporting events and training, the office of the editor-in-chief, weekend barbeques, biker gangs, the nominal working environment (which is usually run by men, and always winds up focusing energies in a male-centered cultural disposition), the hunting trip, the beer run, the drug cartel, the U.S. Congressional chambers, assorted pick-up rock bands, barbershops, etc. Everywhere you go, the subject matter of casual and not-so-casual conversation generally shakes down to the various aspects of the pressures that men face in daily life, including especially the pressures put upon us poor fellows by women and their inscrutable ways. It's ubiquitous item of topical currency, which is one reason I like this thread so much.

I may be a bad person to ask, though, because I'm a rather manly man who, as I've stated, comes from a long line of men not afraid to be openly manly.

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Three other fellows responded that they were afraid of being attacked, either by men or women, for sharing similarly. And some of the others have simply stopped participating. I find that to be inscrutable, really.

But the inscrutability we feel when encountering the opposite sex, makes sense in light of the brain research above- our brains don't attune to those we see as Other:

Monkeys, Mirrors and Empathy: Neurophysiology’s Phenomenological Turn

In the late 1990′s neurophysiologists Giacomo Rizzolatti, Luciano Fadiga, Leonardo Fogassi, and Vittorio Gallese began publishing articles about their research and discovery of what they termed mirror neurons.[1]In their study of macaque monkeys, they observed that neurons in the anterior intraparietal area (AIP) and in the ventral part of the frontal premotor area 6 (F5) which typically responded when a monkey performed an action also responded when the monkey observed another monkey performing an action. Upon further investigation the researchers discovered a neurological circuit which was capable of transforming action observation into action execution. [2] These findings led researchers to examine human participants where they discovered the same neurological system in operation:

Fogassi, Pavesi and Rizzolatti (1995) stimulated the motor cortex of normal human participants (transcranial magnetic stimulation) and simultaneously recorded motor-evoked potentials. They reasoned that, if the observation of a movement activates the premotor cortex, this activation should induce an enhancement of motor-evoked potentials elicited by the magnetic stimulation of the motor cortex. Fadiga et al. found that motor-evoked potentials were selectively enhanced when the participants observed the experimenter grasping objects. Based on this result, they suggested that there is a brain system which is sensitive to both action observation and execution in humans. This issue was also addressed by the use of positron emission tomography (Rizzolatti et al. 1996b). The main finding was the presence of a selective activation in the posterior part of the left inferior frontal gyrus when participants observed the experimenter in the act of grasping objects.[3]


These findings prompted researchers to hypothesize that mirror neurons subserve the capacity of individuals to recognize actions made by others.[4] In 2001, Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) was used to locate the specific areas of the brain that were activated during action observation. Results indicated that when object and non-object related actions were observed the AIP and F5 areas of the brain organized the actions somatotopically[5]which means that internal images of the actions observed were generated in the premotor cortex where one might expect to find a mental rehearsal of a an act to be performed.[6] Mirror neurons are therefore neruomechanisms that facilitate a type of inward imitation.

On the basis of this research Vittorio Gallese formulated the shared manifold hypothesis which proposed that the human capacity to understand other human beings as intentional agents constituted an inter-subjectivity that made social relations possible.[7] Gallese theorized that human beings are social animals for whom the ability to identify others of their own kind is vitally important. He explains:

As humans, we implicitly ‘know’ that all human beings have 4 limbs, walk in a certain way, and act in peculiar ways. Identity is articulated on many different levels of complexity. It can be subjected to increasingly complex tests in which different species might score differently, but it is nevertheless the membership fee all individuals have to pay in order to self-guarantee the sense of belonging to a larger community of other organisms. Identity is so important within a group of social individuals because it enables them with the capacity to better predict the consequences of the future behavior of others.[8]


Gallese observes that there are two types of identity: self-identity and social identity. Self-identity allows individuals to individuate themselves and social identity allows individuals to situate themselves within a larger community.[9] These identities are the result of social cognition active within inter-subjective relationships. Gallese points out that infants are capable of imitating the mouth and facial movements of adults within their first 18 hours of life.[10] This innate capacity to mirror the behavior of others points to the neuromechanism that facilitates social cognition and identity.

Gallese theorizes that this shared manifold of human of inter-subjectivity, is the basis for empathy. Given, the discovery of mirror neurons and their activation during action observation he hypothesizes the same neural substrate is operative during expression observation and therefore constitutes a subpersonally instantiated common space in which an individual can understand the emotions of others.[11] He points out that the word empathy originally had an aesthetic connotation and described an imaginative act where an observer located themselves within a work of art. He explains:

Empathy is a later English translation [Titchener, 1909] of the German word ‘Einfühlung’. It is commonly held that Einfühlung was originally introduced by Theodore Lipps [1903a] into the vocabulary of the psychology of aesthetic experience, to denote the relationship between an artwork and the observer, who imaginatively project himself/herself into the contemplated object. But the origin of term is actually older. As pointed out by Prigman [1995], Robert Vischer [1873] introduced the term in 1873 to account for our capacity to symbolize the inanimate objects of nature and art. Vischer was strongly influenced by the ideas of Lotze [1858], who already in 1858 proposed a mechanism by means of which humans are capable of understanding inanimate objects and other species of animals by ‘placing ourselves into them’ (sich mitlebend … versetzen’).[12]


But Gallese does not see empathy as a solely intellectual act. In fact, he argues that empathy is deeply grounded in the experience of a lived body. [13] This insight led Gallese to the phenomenology of Edmund Husserl who observed that perception is predicated on an awareness of the acting body. [14] But, it was the work of Maurice Merleau-Ponty that most intrigued Gallese; specifically, his notion of intercorporeality. Gallese found in Merleau-Ponty’s Phenomenology of Perception support for his hypothesis that the relationship of self and other is governed by a dynamic system of reversibility.
[15] Gallese cites the following passage from Phenomenology of Perception as suport for his shared manifold hypothesis:

The communication and comprehension of gestures comes about through the reciprocity of my intentions and the gestures of others, of my gestures and intentions discernible in the conduct of other people. It is as if the other person’s intention inhabited my body and mine his.[16]


Gallese interprets Merleau-Ponty’s notion of reciprocity as philosophical support for his neurophysiological evidence of mirror matching mechanisms that facilitate empathy.[17] However, Gallese is quick to point out that he is not suggesting that individuals can understand others in the same way as they understand themselves. The shared manifold hypothesis does not reduce alterity to sameness; a common criticism of Merleau-Ponty. On the contrary, the shared manifold simply enables and bootstraps mutual intelligiblility.[18] The social implications of this hypothesis are readily apparent. Mutual intelligibility between human persons allows each person to demarcate themselves from the larger social community in order to develop an individual identity, while simultaneously situating each individual within the social community. This type of social cognition provides a balanced equilibrium between the need to express our individuality and uniqueness, and the necessity to follow the social ‘rules’.[19]

The most observable problem with Gallese’s phenomenological turn is his claim that mirror neurons operate at a subpersonal level. Even more problematic, Gallese appeals to a passage from Phenomenology of Perception in support of his claim seemingly unaware of Merleau-Ponty’s explicit argument in this work against the reduction of perception to third person processes[20] like mirror-neurons. And yet, Gallese is pointed in the right direction. Merleau-Ponty is working with a particular principle, namely intercoporeality, that does serve as a basis for empathy but it is not a neurophysiological mechanism. Instead, it is the structure of a embodied subject living in the world.

[1] Rizzolatti,G., Fadiga, L.,Gallese, V.,&Fogassi, L. “Premotor Cortex and the Recognition of Motor Actions.” Cognitive Brain Research 3 (1996): 131–141. See also Gallese, V., Fadiga, L., Fogassi, L., & Rizzolatti, G. (1996). Action recognition in the premotorcortex. Brain, 119, 593–609.
[2] Craighero, Laila, Luciano Fadiga, Giacomo Rizzolatti and Carlo Umiltà. “Visuomotor Priming.” Visual Cognition, 1998, 5 (1/2), 110–111.
[3] Craighero, et al. “Visuomotor Priming,” 111.
[4] Buccino, G., et al. “Action Observation Activates Premotor and Parietal Areas in a Somatotopic Manner: an fMRI Study.” European Journal of Neuroscience, Vol. 13 (2001): 400.
[5] The correspondence between the position of a receptor in part of the body and the corresponding area of the cerebral cortex that is activated by it.
[6] Buccino, et al. “Action Observation,” 401.
[7] Gallese, Vittorio. “The Roots of Empathy: The Shared Manifold Hypothesis and the Neural Basis for Intersubjectivity.” Psychopathology 36 (2003): 171.
[8] Gallese, “The Roots of Empathy,” 171-172.
[9] Ibid., 172.
[10] Ibid., 172.
[11] Ibid., 176.
[12] Gallese, “The Roots of Empathy,” 175.
[13] Ibid., 176.
[14] Ibid., 176.
[15] Ibid., 176.
[16] Merleau-Ponty, Maurice. Phenomenology of Perception. Translated by Colin Smith. New York: Routledge Classics, 2002, 215.
[17] Gallese, “The Roots of Empathy,” 176.
[18] Gallese, “The Roots of Empathy,” 177.
[19] Ibid., 177.
[20] Merleau-Ponty, Maurice. Phenomenology of Perception, 64.
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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Stephen Morgan » Sun May 15, 2011 2:17 pm

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Re: What constitutes Misogyny?

Postby Plutonia » Sun May 15, 2011 2:22 pm

Just one more snippet- Marco Iacoboni is one of the leading researchers/theoreticians in this area of empathy and brain physiology:

LEHRER: Take us inside a social interaction. How might mirror neurons help us understand what someone else is thinking or feeling?

IACOBONI: What do we do when we interact? We use our body to communicate our intentions and our feelings. The gestures, facial expressions, body postures we make are social signals, ways of communicating with one another. Mirror neurons are the only brain cells we know of that seem specialized to code the actions of other people and also our own actions. They are obviously essential brain cells for social interactions. Without them, we would likely be blind to the actions, intentions and emotions of other people. The way mirror neurons likely let us understand others is by providing some kind of inner imitation of the actions of other people, which in turn leads us to “simulate” the intentions and emotions associated with those actions. When I see you smiling, my mirror neurons for smiling fire up, too, initiating a cascade of neural activity that evokes the feeling we typically associate with a smile. I don’t need to make any inference on what you are feeling, I experience immediately and effortlessly (in a milder form, of course) what you are experiencing.


LEHRER: If we're wired to automatically internalize the movements and mental states of others, then what does this suggest about violent movies, television programs, video games, etcetera? Should we be more careful about what we watch?

IACOBONI: I believe we should be more careful about what we watch. This is a tricky argument, of course, because it forces us to reconsider our long cherished ideas about free will and may potentially have repercussions on free speech. There is convincing behavioral evidence linking media violence with imitative violence. Mirror neurons provide a plausible neurobiological mechanism that explains why being exposed to media violence leads to imitative violence. What should we do about it? Although it is obviously hard to have a clear and definitive answer, it is important to openly discuss this issue and hopefully reach some kind of “societal agreement” on how to limit media violence without limiting (too much) free speech.


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I think the implications of all this are astonishing, not least of which is, like as was with the bible, I think we are seeing the emergence of a new psycho-social paradigm- this time, around empathy.
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