Moon landings---a partial 'hoax'?

[Gashweir]

A poor choise of words. There is outgassing from the Moon, but way too little to be comparable to an Earthlike atmosphere. Nevertheless, the point remains: I would think that dust would have been kicked up by the thruster's when the lunar module was setting down, but it is never visible in the photos.

[Gashweir]

thruster's

Damn those apostrophes! They just leap into the breach at any opportunity, even when not needed!

[justdrew]

A poor choise of words. There is outgassing from the Moon, but way too little to be comparable to an Earthlike atmosphere. Nevertheless, the point remains: I would think that dust would have been kicked up by the thruster's when the lunar module was setting down, but it is never visible in the photos.

well, IIRC the lunar dust wasn't that deep in most places, and there was a harder substances beneath, so most of the dust would have been blown away on landing, leaving little to see when the assent stage kicked in.

[Gashweir]

well, IIRC the lunar dust wasn't that deep in most places, and there was a harder substances beneath, so most of the dust would have been blown away on landing, leaving little to see when the assent stage kicked in

I heard the same thing, but if you follow the link below and look at the picture, the lander doesn't seem to be sitting in even a slight depression or cleared area, which you would expect if the dust had been blown away from the landing site, and the foot prints from the astronaut are visible as imprints in the dust pretty close to the lander. However, the quality of this particular image is not that great, and I hesitate to draw any firm conclusions just from the picture and it's differences from my own quite possibly erroneous expectations.

http://www.youngeagles.org/photos/galle ... Lander.jpg

[Ben D]

The moon topic that has had me puzzled for the longest time, which is only tangentially related to the moon landing hoax idea (excuse me if people consider this off-topic), is transient lunar phenomena. Lunar observers and astronomers have been seeing inexplicable shapes and lights on the moon for many hundreds of years and I haven't heard plausible explanations for everything people have reported seeing. Wikipedia has a fairly reasonable summary of some of the better known events, along with a statement that seems to pretty well encapsulate why science has seemingly been loath to look too closely at the topic:

Claims of short-lived lunar phenomena go back at least 1,000 years, with some having been observed independently by multiple witnesses or reputable scientists. Nevertheless, the majority of transient lunar phenomenon reports are irreproducible and do not possess adequate control experiments that could be used to distinguish among alternative hypotheses to explain their origins. Thus, few reports concerning these phenomena are ever published in peer reviewed scientific journals, and the lunar scientific community rarely discusses these observations.

More on topic, I have been very curious about a few of the pieces of evidence held up by moon landing hoax proponents, but I freely admit that I lack the technical expertise to evaluate the claims. For one) Why is there no blast crater and no airborne dust in evidence in pictures of the landing site, and two) How did they manage to fit the all the fuel and equipment on the lunar lander needed to leave the moon and return to the orbiter? It just seems way too tiny to fit the gear, the men, and the fuel.

The "moon rocks turning out to be petrified wood" thing is just funny.

Lights glow on Moon


Clouds of light were seen dancing inside the crater
It was seen in 1992 by veteran lunar observer Audouin Dollfus of the Observatoire de Paris using the one metre (39 inch) Meudon reflecting telescope. He has only just finished analysing the results, and has submitted them for publication.

On 30 December, he noticed a series of glows on the floor of the large crater Langrenus. They were definitely not there the day before. Professor Dollfus observed them for several days before they faded. Each time he returned to the telescope, he noticed that the shape of the glows had changed.

He believes that the glows are due to escaping gas that lifts dust above the lunar surface into sunlight.

Professor Dolfuss points out that Langrenus, when observed in detail, has an extensive series of fractures on its crater floor and the gas could be escaping from these.

The Lunar lander comes in two parts,....Lunar module blast off and leaves the lander on the Moon (Apollo 17)



As for the fake moon rock, clearly a switch was done somewhere a long the line..http://rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=24963&hilit=moon+rock+petrified+wood&start

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_rock

[KeenInsight]

A partial hoax or a deeper mystery?

[Canadian_watcher]

why do many of the vehicles NASA makes look like there was a hot glue gun involved?

[stickdog99]

I think the biggest questions are: is there microbial life on the Moon, and, if not, why not?

[Belligerent Savant]

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According to this guy, shooting 45min of slow motion film/video was somehow more problematic -- impossible, actually, with late 60's technology -- to NASA than getting men to successfully land, walk, and return from the moon..

[dbcooper41]

with european help and if they're lucky they may be able to get out of earth orbit before the 50th anniversary of the "moon landing".

http://www.wral.com/nasa-europeans-uniting-to-send-spaceship-to-moon/11987604/

By MARCIA DUNN, AP Aerospace Writer
CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — NASA is teaming up with the European Space Agency to get
astronauts beyond Earth's orbit.
Officials said Wednesday that Europe will provide the propulsion and power
compartment for NASA's new Orion crew capsule. This so-called service module
will be first used on an unmanned mission in 2017. Any extra European parts will
be incorporated in the first manned mission of Orion in 2021.
NASA's human exploration chief, Bill Gerstenmaier, said both missions will be
aimed at the vicinity of the moon. The exact details are being worked out.
NASA wants to ultimately use Orion spacecraft to carry astronauts to asteroids
and Mars. Gerstenmaier says international cooperation will be crucial for such
endeavors. He says the International Space Station helped build the foundation.

[Ben D]

Well hopefully it won't be too long before most of the skeptics recant. Now while some of these proposed missions will be either delayed or cancelled, I suspect the first manned landing since Apollo program will occur before 2020. Now while it may not be a high priority initially, sooner or later some Apollo souvenirs will be brought back,..oh but wait...there will still be those who claim hoax!



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_current_and_future_lunar_missions#Proposed_manned_missions

[KUAN]

The 'moon hoax not' clip - very droll, Sav. - maybe they did go to the moon. Kennedy(s) and 911et al, I 'know'. Moon - not sure - but, fuck man, those videos look so false - where you stow the buggy n stuff - nothing went wrong over so many missions - and maybe 60 years to get back. The aliens must've helped..

[justdrew]

perhaps it would be nice to think, "each generation needs it's organizing principle derived from a spectacular event. Kennedy gave us the moon, bush gave us 911" one based in hope the other in despair.

the moon mission and space exploration was always attacked by a certain segment rightwinger christian nuts. So, know where it started.

we've already lost almost half a generation to "endless war on terror"

what is more urgent to investigate?

[KUAN]

Exactly.
Moon's more fun but back to work...

[justdrew]

looks to be about 32 years... so WW2, but what about these years?

1905: Russo-Japanese War (which paved the way for the Soviet Revolution)? Founding of Las Vegas? 1905 is also the annus mirabilis of Albert Einstein, publishing papers which lay the foundations of quantum physics, introduced the special theory of relativity, explained Brownian motion, and established mass-energy equivalence.

1873: maybe before the organizing got so systematized? Nearing the end of the American Indian Wars; Jeans invented; Beginning of the Long Depression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1873