9/11 Cult Watch

[orz]

Haha too true!

[Fresno_Layshaft]

9/11 can't be "solved" like a some stick-up job at the corner store by dusting for prints or analyzing dust particles and molten-whatnot.

9/11 was built into the system. It was hardwired into various "legitimate" and non-legit power structures. You can't "solve" it. "Justice" will never be administered. That may sound fatalistic, but it is the reality. So what if the buildings fell or were blown up? What difference does it make? So you somehow prove they were blown up- then what? Dick Cheney is lead out of the White House in chains? The perps are so thoroughly ABOVE the law in this case. Why get so nasty over thermite gibberish? Its inconsequential.

[isachar]

Assuming "substantially" to mean the common adverb then something like "to a large degree" is about right. Which of course means "
not entirely" which also means that a qualification is built into any yes or no answer given. That's about as far as I'll argue such an inane point. I bring it up for the sole purpose of highlighting how absurd you are being.

In that case, bp, use your own definition. yes or no. hope you don't need a definition of those too.

thanks.

[8bitagent]

9/11 can't be "solved" like a some stick-up job at the corner store by dusting for prints or analyzing dust particles and molten-whatnot.

9/11 was built into the system. It was hardwired into various "legitimate" and non-legit power structures. You can't "solve" it. "Justice" will never be administered. That may sound fatalistic, but it is the reality. So what if the buildings fell or were blown up? What difference does it make? So you somehow prove they were blown up- then what? Dick Cheney is lead out of the White House in chains? The perps are so thoroughly ABOVE the law in this case. Why get so nasty over thermite gibberish? Its inconsequential.

As if Cheney "masterminded" 9/11(as some truthers think)

You hit the nail ON THE HEAD with the line "9/11 was built into the system. It was hardwired into various "legitimate" and non-legit power structures."

I URGE serious 9/11 researchers to comb over Islamic terror charities,
the way hawalas/terror money flows, the post BCCI networks, etc

There really are far reaching Islamic terror networks, but they are controlled by handlers posing as terrorists and sympathizers within Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, the CIA, England, etc. Thats how this stuff works. It dovetails with drug smuggling out of Chechnya, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc. It dovetails with Russian mafia, Turkish black market channels, offshore banks, etc. Im not just throwing out a bunch of disperate elements to confuse or swirl around some Tom Clancy complex web. This is how these bodily arteries work. Mark Lombardi, Peter Dale Scott, etc pinpointed it perfectly.

9/11 APPEARS to be the work of Islamic terrorists, because the PTB were smart enough to have them be an active component. Ultimate plausible deniability.

Even if say, Rockefeller was cornered with him on video tape saying he was involved; he'd simply say "Osama and KSM take full responsibility"

The whole trick was to convince al Qaeda to make the claim that they were behind it "A-Z". It worked with Tim Mcveigh and other patsies who took full credit for deep state black ops.

[erosoplier]

8bit, if as you say

9/11 APPEARS to be the work of Islamic terrorists, because the PTB were smart enough to have them be an active component. Ultimate plausible deniability.

then why do you

...URGE serious 9/11 researchers to comb over Islamic terror charities,
the way hawalas/terror money flows, the post BCCI networks, etc

???


And if you are

...not just throwing out a bunch of disperate elements to confuse or swirl around some Tom Clancy complex web

then why do you only direct people's attention away from where the evidence leads, and towards the patsies?

And why in God's name don't you ever provide even one lousy link in support of all of your speculations?

[Penguin]

Hell, the guys could even have BUILT the WTC towers to fall like that..
Like the whole 9/11 symbolism, planted by Bush Older as a collective meme, by selecting that as the national emergency number already YEARS before.. Guys with planning like this, sure, the building could be made to order. No explosives needed for a spectacular collapse.

And sure as hell, they DID use arab patsies. You would have to be a goddamn idiot to not do so, when you are going to wage a cultural war between major religions, as well as a resource war in arab countries. OF COURSE they used patsies, provided by the myriad intelligence agencies and drug trade networks. Standard operatin procedure.

The argument this issue causes here too shows exactly why this plan was ingenious. People are stuck debating the hands-down methods used, years after the perpetrators have long ago moved to new Projects. Markets crashing, dollar sliding, new wars on the horizon. And here we are, fighting over whether it was bombs, planes, nukes, thermate, or something else completely that "brought the towers down". Mindfuck extravaganza. Just like its supposed to be.

Thanks to 8bitagent for your many posts on this, Ive found them very valuable.

[Penguin]

erosoplier: use the search, 8bit has posted a lot about it. You can search posts from only author 8bitagent, keyword 9/11 or something. Should come up.

[8bitagent]

8bit, if as you say

9/11 APPEARS to be the work of Islamic terrorists, because the PTB were smart enough to have them be an active component. Ultimate plausible deniability.

then why do you

...URGE serious 9/11 researchers to comb over Islamic terror charities,
the way hawalas/terror money flows, the post BCCI networks, etc

???


And if you are

...not just throwing out a bunch of disperate elements to confuse or swirl around some Tom Clancy complex web

then why do you only direct people's attention away from where the evidence leads, and towards the patsies?

And why in God's name don't you ever provide even one lousy link in support of all of your speculations?

Is everyone required to post a link to every single thing they say?

My policy is that if people point out a specific thing/things Ive mentioned that they want clarification, proof, etc of I'll gladly post. When it comes to the hijacker/financial/terror infrastructure/CIA/deep state connections of 9/11 I can easily provide mainstream or well verified sources.

I urge serious researchers to research the post MAK/Mujahadeen Balkans era, the way money flows into Islamic terrorism, etc because it shows HOW the elite operate.
It's hard to explain to the people who are convinced 9/11 was all Cheney and Osama and al Qaeda have nothing to do with 9/11

The patsies are often WILLING patsies, that lead directly to the deep state.
And it aint just the US government

[8bitagent]

Hell, the guys could even have BUILT the WTC towers to fall like that..
Like the whole 9/11 symbolism, planted by Bush Older as a collective meme, by selecting that as the national emergency number already YEARS before.. Guys with planning like this, sure, the building could be made to order. No explosives needed for a spectacular collapse.

And sure as hell, they DID use arab patsies. You would have to be a goddamn idiot to not do so, when you are going to wage a cultural war between major religions, as well as a resource war in arab countries. OF COURSE they used patsies, provided by the myriad intelligence agencies and drug trade networks. Standard operatin procedure.

The argument this issue causes here too shows exactly why this plan was ingenious. People are stuck debating the hands-down methods used, years after the perpetrators have long ago moved to new Projects. Markets crashing, dollar sliding, new wars on the horizon. And here we are, fighting over whether it was bombs, planes, nukes, thermate, or something else completely that "brought the towers down". Mindfuck extravaganza. Just like its supposed to be.

Thanks to 8bitagent for your many posts on this, Ive found them very valuable.

No problem. And please please, anyone, feel free to ask me to elaborate with mainstream/verified sourced articles/news to expand on any points I bring up

I really think the mystery of 9/11 comes down to:
Hamberg Germany, London England, Egypt, Norman Oklahoma, Venice Florida, Norman Oklahoma, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Malaysia and Dubai.

John Oneil, Melvin Lattimore, Ali Mohamed, Yassin al Qadi, Nawaf al-Hamzi, and Atta's background are all things truthers should be somewhat aware of.

Did you guys know that Ziad Jarrah's email was of a defense company,
and he sought out lessons in occult/military based martial arts training in Florida?

Did you guys know that the FBI informant on Hani Hanjour in Arizona thinks he was set up by the CIA and that 9/11 was staged?

Or that the hijackers credit cards kept being used after 9/11, that men were in the rooms of the hijackers later in the day of 9/11, days before, etc that were of non Arab/middle eastern background?

Or that the hijackers had inside help at the airports?

Or that Moussaoui says he has proof he and his pals in Norman Oklahoma were part of an FBI sting op, which my research has shown to involve Nicholas Berg.

The rabbit hole is very very deep, but it *does* lead to some very real tangible places.

Is it a coincidence that top NWO globalist David Rockefeller masterminded the World Trade Center towers, with Bin Laden Construction building them, with Egyptian esoteric mystery built into the middle?

A Coincidence the Pentagon began construction on 9/11/1941, made to be 77 feet tall...the same alleged number of the plane that hit it?

See this stuff is too much for most people to even consider, that 9/11 was being set up WAY before 1998 as weve been told.

[erosoplier]

Is everyone required to post a link to every single thing they say?

My policy is that if people point out a specific thing/things Ive mentioned that they want clarification, proof, etc of I'll gladly post. When it comes to the hijacker/financial/terror infrastructure/CIA/deep state connections of 9/11 I can easily provide mainstream or well verified sources.

I urge serious researchers to research the post MAK/Mujahadeen Balkans era, the way money flows into Islamic terrorism, etc because it shows HOW the elite operate.

Why don't you research it, and get back to us with a synopsis, WITH LINKS?

It's hard to explain to the people who are convinced 9/11 was all Cheney and Osama and al Qaeda have nothing to do with 9/11

The patsies are often WILLING patsies, that lead directly to the deep state.

And it aint just the US government

It's hard to believe you really think that the involvement of US agents in the 9/11 crime is so unremarkable that no action whatsoever should be taken to address it within the US. It's hard to believe that you insist on directing people to the "post MAK/Mujahadeen Balkans era" when you have RATS IN YOUR RANKS, Sir.

That's what I find hard to believe.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

.....
Is it a coincidence that top NWO globalist David Rockefeller masterminded the World Trade Center towers, with Bin Laden Construction building them, with Egyptian esoteric mystery built into the middle?
.....

False. You're misstating something you've gotten right in the past.
That's what happens when you overextend the plot of 9/11 beyond four planes and four buildings in a few hours.

Bin Laden Construction did not build the WTC.
The WTC had a Japanese American designer who had done work for the Saudi's airport and included some Arabic stylings in the WTC. That's all.

9/11 is much smaller in execution than I think you portray.
The culture it was nested in which covered up and benefited from it is extensive.

But the crime is more specific than the culture by far.

[8bitagent]

Is everyone required to post a link to every single thing they say?

My policy is that if people point out a specific thing/things Ive mentioned that they want clarification, proof, etc of I'll gladly post. When it comes to the hijacker/financial/terror infrastructure/CIA/deep state connections of 9/11 I can easily provide mainstream or well verified sources.

I urge serious researchers to research the post MAK/Mujahadeen Balkans era, the way money flows into Islamic terrorism, etc because it shows HOW the elite operate.

Why don't you research it, and get back to us with a synopsis, WITH LINKS?

It's hard to explain to the people who are convinced 9/11 was all Cheney and Osama and al Qaeda have nothing to do with 9/11

The patsies are often WILLING patsies, that lead directly to the deep state.

And it aint just the US government

It's hard to believe you really think that the involvement of US agents in the 9/11 crime is so unremarkable that no action whatsoever should be taken to address it within the US. It's hard to believe that you insist on directing people to the "post MAK/Mujahadeen Balkans era" when you have RATS IN YOUR RANKS, Sir.

That's what I find hard to believe.

1. I have researched these deep networks, that's why I'm talking about it

2. And what US agents are those? Care to name some? I've already gone over which elements of the CIA, FBI, etc are clearly involved in the framework

[8bitagent]

.....
Is it a coincidence that top NWO globalist David Rockefeller masterminded the World Trade Center towers, with Bin Laden Construction building them, with Egyptian esoteric mystery built into the middle?
.....

False. You're misstating something you've gotten right in the past.
That's what happens when you overextend the plot of 9/11 beyond four planes and four buildings in a few hours.

Bin Laden Construction did not build the WTC.
The WTC had a Japanese American designer who had done work for the Saudi's airport and included some Arabic stylings in the WTC. That's all.

9/11 is much smaller in execution than I think you portray.
The culture it was nested in which covered up and benefited from it is extensive.

But the crime is more specific than the culture by far.

Wait, so you do believe four planes were used?

As I know a lot of the people who focus on the physical anomalies say Flight 77 did not hit the pentagon and that there may not have even been a Flight 93. Not saying you follow any one doctrine

I know you feel 9/11 is solely the work of the millitary industrial CIA complex, and I agree to some degree.

Now then, Paul Laffoley claims to have worked on the WTC in the 60's, and that bin Laden group people had something to do with it

Im going off this MSNBC sister site "Slate" about the history of the towers
http://www.slate.com/?id=2060207

In my view, the Bin Laden Group is just as part of the powers that be as
Halliburton or Dyncorp

[erosoplier]

1. I have researched these deep networks, that's why I'm talking about it

But your talk does little more than entertain. I've seen you post links before - a page full in one hit, and then 99 posts with no links. That's 99% unsubstantiated chatter by my count.

2. And what US agents are those? Care to name some? I've already gone over which elements of the CIA, FBI, etc are clearly involved in the framework

Smart money is on a new enquiry, is all I'm saying. What point is there in me naming names, even if I could? I have no jurisdiction, none of us here do. But together there is a chance that something can be done. Sending people off on a goose chase in the black-ops wilderness, hoping that some will return one day transormed into formiddable private detectives, is farcical.

[DrVolin]

Do you agree that the NIST investigation into the causes of the collapse of the WTC's, inclusive of its methods and conclusions, is valid and substantially correct?

I think you'll find very few conspiracists who will agree with that statement. The NIST report is obviously flawed, and it can be considered a red herring. It keeps everyone's attention firmly focused on the mechanics of the collapse rather than on the scope of the plot. If the report said that the collapses didn't make sense, or were inexplicable, or the result of CD, then everyone would be hunting for the perps. The NIST report is a major component of their bodyguard of lies.

As I said a few pages back, I don't think it is very important at this point to find out how the towers collapsed. It is more profitable to look into who ordered them attacked.

Having said that, you may be surprised by what I personally think about the collapses. There are two explanations that make more sense to me than the others. The first is that the towers were built with substandard materials and methods, as a result of mob-controlled corruption (skimming) in the construction industry of mid-70s New York. That could could certainly lead to a surprising collapse that any engineer would have great difficulty replicating using expected values for the materials. Imagine that. Corruption. In construction. In New York. In the 70s. Unthinkable.

The second is the micro-nuke theory. Assuming that the towers were really built up to spec, it would take some serious force to bring them down. It would also take similar causes to bring down all three towers in very similar ways. The plane impacts were quite different from one another, and WTC7 was not hit by an aircraft at all. A uniform cause for all three collapses explains them better than three different causes resulting in very similar outcomes (If you haven't noticed by now, I am a complex systems simulation guy).

I think about it once in a while, but it isn't the main focus of my inquiry. If ever we figure out who did this, and somehow wrest power from their hands, historians can fill in the details.