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Postby Nordic » Mon Aug 10, 2009 2:23 am

Obama just lost Dailykos.

Wow. For Obama to lose Dailykos, well, that means pretty much everybody hates him. Except for the non-existent "center". There is no center, except for the idiots in Washington who claim to be "center" (which really means they hold their fingers to the wind on an hourly basis).

Top of the rec list over there right now:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... -you-doing

It's like the flip side of Sally Field -- "You don't like me. You REALLY don't like me!"

Obama losing Dailykos is like Bush losing the freepers.
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Postby chlamor » Fri Aug 14, 2009 8:03 am

Obama On Health Care: A Comprehensive Betrayal – Where Do We Go From Here?

At some point in last year's presidential election campaign, Barack Obama went on Bill O'Reilly's show to concede that maybe the war in Iraq, and Bush's murderous escalation of that war, the so-called surge, were not such bad ideas after all. Obama met with the admirals and generals and came away declaring that withdrawal from Iraq really meant withdrawal to secure bases inside Iraq. A US troop pullout would not happen until well into his second term, if then, with the accent on the “if.”

Casting the wishes of most Americans and the overwhelming majority of his own party under the bus, Democratic leaders and the corporate media told us all, was the wise, the realistic, the pragmatic thing to do. The election, they said, would be waged on domestic policy, on health care. Barack Obama has again and again doubled down on that set of promises, declaring that his first term should be judged on whether he manages to deliver comprehensive, affordable health care to everybody, including the nation's fifty million uninsured.

Seven months into his administration, Barack Obama has never been the antiwar president. He was the first president in American history to keep a Secretary of Defense appointed by the other party. Obama is not the anti-warrantless wiretapping president, or the anti-torture president or the anti-NAFTA president, or the pro-public education president, either. He bought GM but refused to use it as a lever to create a new passenger rail industry or green jobs, instead crushing the auto workers and forsaking his promises to make it easier to organize unions. Obama has transferred, as Glen Ford points out, $12 trillion dollars to fraudulent Wall Street banksters, more than all previous presidents combined. Beyond the lovely wife and family, and the novelty of a black president who speaks full sentences in correct English, not much is left of the man or the cause tens of millions thought they voted for.

It looks like Barack Obama won't be the health care president either. Obama's health care plan is so full of concessions to drug companies, so crammed with a constantly growing list of bailouts and exceptions for insurance companies that the White House is deliberately withholding information on it from Obama' own supporters. Organizing For America, the remnant of the Obama campaign and inheritor of its 13 million strong email and phone list, is calling supporters to canvass and turn out for health care “town meetings,” but dares not tell people exactly what they are supporting. For a while it was something called “the public option,” which would compete with and keep the insurance companies honest. Now it's something even cloudier, called a health co-op.

...

It's time to stop listening to Democrats who say Medicare For All is “politically infeasible” despite its being the democratic will of most of the American people. On their lips, political feasibility is just another name for whether it can pass the legislature this session. Political feasibility is not even in the language of movements for social change. The activists of the 1950s and 60s Freedom Movement knew very well that their demands were not politically feasible. Should they have shut up until Congress and the Supreme Court caught up with them?

http://www.blackagendareport.com/?q=con ... we-go-here
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Postby ninakat » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:27 pm

Nordic wrote:Obama just lost Dailykos.

Wow. For Obama to lose Dailykos, well, that means pretty much everybody hates him. Except for the non-existent "center". There is no center, except for the idiots in Washington who claim to be "center" (which really means they hold their fingers to the wind on an hourly basis).

Top of the rec list over there right now:

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/ ... -you-doing

It's like the flip side of Sally Field -- "You don't like me. You REALLY don't like me!"

Obama losing Dailykos is like Bush losing the freepers.


Interesting. But the author of the diary is still delusional, if you ask me. Check out his update at the bottom:

    Update: I wasn't at all sure what kind of reaction this diary was going to get. I was kind of hoping that I would be shouted down, that people would tell me that I'm overreacting. But while I appreciate the nice comments, and the Recs, I must confess to being sad that this diary now sits atop the Rec List. That speaks volumes about the depth of disappointment and disillusionment in this community.

    I sincerely hope that the sentiments we are all expressing here tonight do find their way back to the White House. I have not given up hope. I think that President Obama truly wants to be remembered for doing the right things. I believe that he does want what is best for this country. He clearly wants to be a great president, and I'm hopeful that he will be a great president. Let me be clear: he has my full support. But he needs to hear -- loudly and clearly when necessary -- when things are going in the wrong direction.
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Postby Maddy » Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:42 pm

Tsk. There's that nasty little "hope" thing again.
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Postby IanEye » Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:21 pm

Maddy wrote:Tsk. There's that nasty little "hope" thing again.


Maddy, check out this awesome link chlamor posted.

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board/viewtopic.php?p=280267#280267

I don't think Wellstone mentions the word 'hope' once does he?

I honestly think some people these days sprinkle 'hope' throughout the thought processes of their daily lives because they think of it as some sort of magic talisman to ward off death until they are ready to accept the embrace...
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Postby Maddy » Sat Aug 15, 2009 1:02 am

IanEye wrote:I honestly think some people these days sprinkle 'hope' throughout the thought processes of their daily lives because they think of it as some sort of magic talisman to ward off death until they are ready to accept the embrace...


I agree. You don't get anywhere being Pollyanna.

I like that link, by the way! I actually understood it! :shock: And agree. I wish I could follow some things better than I can. Sometimes I honestly get flummoxed, everything gets so confusing! And I'm a simple soul. :(
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Postby freemason9 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:01 pm

WARNING: The following response represents the thoughts of freemason9 only, and is not intended for those with a predisposition toward unforgiving evaluation.

I do believe that America today is not far from where we were in 1965. I don't know how isolated some of you are, but there are plenty of high-functioning retards in this country that are on the edge of panic. You probably have some family members like that, if you are fortunate enough to have inherited your life. The election of a black president is putting them over the edge. Everything is topsy-turvy for them, and they can no longer predict the next year. For god's sake--the President of the U.S.A. is not a white guy. That used to be as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.

Obama is walking on very, very thin ice. He is heading up a movement that promotes sweeping change, but he is presiding over a Congress that has been seated by corporate interests for the most part. Contrary to what you disillusioned activists would like, he cannot change anything substantial without congress. And you elected congress, and only you can pressure them.

Have you called your congressperson today? I made two calls this morning, and Senator Ben "Scoundrel" Nelson is nearing full panic mode. I have personally guaranteed that he will not be reelected in 2012; mark my words, he will not be reelected. The Democrats in this state have finally had enough of him, and we are already organized to support his opponent in the primary--and in the general, if he survives the primary.

Please remember that all political change really does start from the grassroots.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby chlamor » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:24 pm

freemason9 wrote:WARNING: The following response represents the thoughts of freemason9 only, and is not intended for those with a predisposition toward unforgiving evaluation.

I do believe that America today is not far from where we were in 1965. I don't know how isolated some of you are, but there are plenty of high-functioning retards in this country that are on the edge of panic. You probably have some family members like that, if you are fortunate enough to have inherited your life. The election of a black president is putting them over the edge. Everything is topsy-turvy for them, and they can no longer predict the next year. For god's sake--the President of the U.S.A. is not a white guy. That used to be as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.

Obama is walking on very, very thin ice. He is heading up a movement that promotes sweeping change, but he is presiding over a Congress that has been seated by corporate interests for the most part. Contrary to what you disillusioned activists would like, he cannot change anything substantial without congress. And you elected congress, and only you can pressure them.

Have you called your congressperson today? I made two calls this morning, and Senator Ben "Scoundrel" Nelson is nearing full panic mode. I have personally guaranteed that he will not be reelected in 2012; mark my words, he will not be reelected. The Democrats in this state have finally had enough of him, and we are already organized to support his opponent in the primary--and in the general, if he survives the primary.

Please remember that all political change really does start from the grassroots.


You got your history wrong just as you got your analysis wrong.

For dog's sake the president is a defender of racist institutions and is on board with the (predominately) white ruling elites.

What in the fuck do you have in that bowl? Put it down.

The fact that the KKK types are up in arms about the nearly black guy with good diction does not make that guy something other than what he has been his entire political career. A brazen opportunist who heads directly towards the center of power with a fine laser and who smoothly and readily throws all and any under the bus in his furtherance of career.

And it ain't '65 ya' gotta go back further:
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/15/ ... s-of-rich/
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Postby freemason9 » Sat Aug 15, 2009 10:36 pm

chlamor wrote:
freemason9 wrote:WARNING: The following response represents the thoughts of freemason9 only, and is not intended for those with a predisposition toward unforgiving evaluation.

I do believe that America today is not far from where we were in 1965. I don't know how isolated some of you are, but there are plenty of high-functioning retards in this country that are on the edge of panic. You probably have some family members like that, if you are fortunate enough to have inherited your life. The election of a black president is putting them over the edge. Everything is topsy-turvy for them, and they can no longer predict the next year. For god's sake--the President of the U.S.A. is not a white guy. That used to be as predictable as tomorrow's sunrise.

Obama is walking on very, very thin ice. He is heading up a movement that promotes sweeping change, but he is presiding over a Congress that has been seated by corporate interests for the most part. Contrary to what you disillusioned activists would like, he cannot change anything substantial without congress. And you elected congress, and only you can pressure them.

Have you called your congressperson today? I made two calls this morning, and Senator Ben "Scoundrel" Nelson is nearing full panic mode. I have personally guaranteed that he will not be reelected in 2012; mark my words, he will not be reelected. The Democrats in this state have finally had enough of him, and we are already organized to support his opponent in the primary--and in the general, if he survives the primary.

Please remember that all political change really does start from the grassroots.


You got your history wrong just as you got your analysis wrong.

For dog's sake the president is a defender of racist institutions and is on board with the (predominately) white ruling elites.

What in the fuck do you have in that bowl? Put it down.

The fact that the KKK types are up in arms about the nearly black guy with good diction does not make that guy something other than what he has been his entire political career. A brazen opportunist who heads directly towards the center of power with a fine laser and who smoothly and readily throws all and any under the bus in his furtherance of career.

And it ain't '65 ya' gotta go back further:
http://rawstory.com/08/news/2009/08/15/ ... s-of-rich/


As I said, chlamor, it was merely my opinion--whereas you, as always, present unassailable truth that just happens to correspond with your personal view of things.

All I'm really saying, chlamor, is that it cannot be any other way. If change happens, this is how it will come about. Us old guys learn certain things over time. This is the U.S., after all, not a nation of free-thinking, well-educated citizens. Americans have been bred and raised as a nation of aristocrats and wage slaves. It takes a while to put that behind you.
The real issue is that there is extremely low likelihood that the speculations of the untrained, on a topic almost pathologically riddled by dynamic considerations and feedback effects, will offer anything new.
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Postby chlamor » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:38 am

Video - JOHN PILGER: OBAMA IS A CORPORATE MARKETING CREATION

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfVULT8vdUk
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Postby Sweejak » Sun Aug 16, 2009 5:41 pm

This is probably a repost.

JANUARY 3, 2009
THE STRANGE RISE OF OBAMA
http://prorev.com/2009/01/strange-rise-of-obama.html

search string: business international corporation obama http://tinyurl.com/ns5l7f
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Postby chlamor » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:52 pm

Sweejak wrote:This is probably a repost.

JANUARY 3, 2009
THE STRANGE RISE OF OBAMA
http://prorev.com/2009/01/strange-rise-of-obama.html

search string: business international corporation obama http://tinyurl.com/ns5l7f


Yeah that one's pretty interesting.

I wondered aloud how it was that ZBig became such a "close friend" to Obama and learned I had it backwards.
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Postby smiths » Sun Aug 16, 2009 8:59 pm

who were the other seven 'students' selected by zbig?
the question is why, who, why, what, why, when, why and why again?
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Postby Sweejak » Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:51 pm

Snips from Barack Obama, the Unauthorized Biography:

Janny Scott of the New York Times reported, ‘Senator Obama, an Illinois Democrat now seeking the presidency, suggests in his book that his years in New York were a pivotal period: He ran three miles a day, buckled down to work and “stopped getting high,” which he says he had started doing in high school. Yet he declined repeated requests to talk about his New York years, release his Columbia transcript or identify even a single fellow student, co-worker, roommate or friend from those years.

Obama’s acolytes at the reactionary Chicago Tribune found even less about Obama’s Columbia years than the swooning liberals at the New York Times.

Obama spent just two years at Occidental. He said in a recent interview that he had begun to weary of the parties and fretted about a lackadaisical approach to his studies. He grew more introspective and serious. His mother’s warnings were beginning to take hold. Seeking a fresh start, he transferred to Columbia University in New York City.

Classmates and teachers from those days remember him as studious and serious, someone who hit the library in his off hours instead of the bars. “If I had to give one adjective to describe him, it is mature,” said William Araiza, who took an international politics class with Obama. “He was our age, but seemed older because of his poise.” (Maurice Possley, “Activism Blossomed in College,” Chicago Tribune, March 30, 2007)

That’s it. Nothing more.

Obama’s presence at Columbia remains shrouded in mystery. According to published reports, many of his classmates don’t remember Obama. According to one account, he does not appear in the yearbook of his graduating class. In response to inquiries made by journalists during 2007, Columbia University was unwilling or unable to find a picture of him during his years at that university. Obama has attempted to conceal his years at Columbia with the usual cloak of complaints about the alleged racism of the place: ‘Mr Obama was later admitted to read politics and international relations at New York’s prestigious Columbia University where, his book claims, “no matter how many times the administration tried to paint them over, the walls remained scratched with blunt correspondence (about) n****rs.” But one of his classmates, Joe Zwicker, 45, now a lawyer in Boston, said yesterday: “That surprises me. Columbia was a pretty tolerant place. There were African-American students in my classes and I never saw any evidence of racism at all.”’(London Daily Mail, January 27, 2007)

In a September 5, 2008 interview with Matt Welch, the Libertarian Party candidate for vice president Wayne Allyn Root, a member of Obama’s Columbia class of 1983, reports that he never met or heard of anybody called Obama, and has not been able to find anyone who can among his fellow alumni. Root majored in the same department where Obama claims to have majored. Here is an excerpt from this revealing exchange:“Wayne Allyn Root: I think the most dangerous thing you should know about Barack Obama is
I don’t know a single person at Columbia that knows him, and they all know me. I don’t have a classmate who ever knew Barack Obama at Columbia. Ever! Matt Welch: So tell us what we should know about Barack....

... Welch: Were you the exact same class?

Root: Class of ‘83 political science, pre-law Columbia University. You don’t get more exact than that. Never met him in my life, don’t know anyone who ever met him. At the class reunion, our 20th reunion five years ago, 20th reunion, who was asked to be the speaker of the class? Me. No one ever heard of Barack! Who was he, and five years ago, nobody even knew who he was.
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Postby Sweejak » Mon Aug 17, 2009 12:07 am

Barack Obama does not say much about his years in New York City. The time he spent as an undergraduate at Columbia College and then working in Manhattan in the early 1980s surfaces only fleetingly in his memoir. In the book, he casts himself as a solitary wanderer in the metropolis, the outsider searching for a way to “make myself of some use.” He tells of underheated sublets, a night spent in an alley, a dead neighbor on the landing. From their fire escape, he and an unnamed roommate watch “white people from the better neighborhoods” bring their dogs to defecate on the block. He takes a job in an unidentified “consulting house to multinational corporations,” where he is “a spy behind enemy lines,” startled to find himself with a secretary, a suit and money in the bank. He barely mentions Columbia, training ground for the elite, where he transferred in his junior year, majoring in political science and international relations and writing his thesis on Soviet nuclear disarmament. He dismisses in one sentence his first community organizing job — work he went on to do in Chicago — though a former supervisor remembers him as “a star performer.” [...] In a long profile of Mr. Obama in a Columbia alumni magazine in 2005, in which his Columbia years occupied just two paragraphs, he called that time “an intense period of study.” “I spent a lot of time in the library. I didn’t socialize that much. I was like a monk,” he was quoted as saying. He said he was somewhat involved with the Black Student Organization and anti-apartheid activities, although in recent interviews, several prominent student leaders said they did not remember his playing a role. (Janny Scott, “Obama’s Account of New York Years Often Differs From What Others Say,” New York Times, October 30, 2007) One person who did remember Mr. Obama was Michael L. Baron, who taught a senior seminar on international politics and American policy. Mr. Baron, now president of an electronics company in Florida, said he was Mr. Obama’s adviser on the senior thesis for that course. Mr. Baron, who later wrote Mr. Obama a recommendation for Harvard Law School, gave him an A in the course. Columbia was a hotbed for discussion of foreign policy, Mr. Baron said. The faculty included Zbigniew Brzezinski, the former national security adviser, and Zalmay Khalilzad, now the American ambassador to the United Nations. Half of the eight students in the seminar were outstanding, and Mr. Obama was among them, Mr. Baron said.
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