Giffords shooting

[Luther Blissett]

Last night, my girlfriend and I sat down to watch Network, and we were a little jolted to see mention of the character names "Gifford" as an abducted, brainwashed, Patty Hearst-like militia member, a "John Wheeler," and a "Cheney". Not that there could be anything to these synchs, it was just dumbfounding.

[Joe Hillshoist]

How the Right's Rhetoric Fueled the Actions of Arizona's Mass Murderer
It's too soon to say what motivated the man apprehended for the shooting. But the Tea Party culture of political intimidation affirmed his violent impulses.

Maybe.

Or maybe it was actually the fact that an unhealthy obsession with guns and killing is woven through the American pssyche.

The Tea party is manifestation of that, one of the latest, and so is he. I don't buy that you can lay this at the feet of the tea party tho lets be honest, we all expected this to happen and we expected it to be done by someone who would drape themselves in the flag not burn it.

If Obama can make jokes about using drones to take out the Jonas brothers then ... well now I'm conflicted.

No seriously, I'm not, at all. One of those boys was 17 when he made that joke, legally a minor, not an adult.

That points to a greater problem than just the Tea party.



Correlation isn't causation.

[elfismiles]

Other recent shootings (one averted) we've not talked about around here yet...

"Mind Control" Mass Shooter: Jared Loughner [Updated]
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/ ... ntrol.html

Daniel M. Pogue's suicide by cop at Mormon Temple...
Coming of the Copycat Bird Killings
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=30827

Son of a police detective opened fire at a Nebraska high school
First 2011 School Shooting
http://copycateffect.blogspot.com/2011/ ... oting.html

[Joe Hillshoist]

Luther Blissett the night before this happened at my place, (maybe while it was happening, not sure) that Mad Mel film Conspiracy Theory was on.

To much coincidence about this as it is.

[norton ash]

Or that here in Canada yesterday-Sunday afternoon there was a concert program from Toronto featuring Dallas Green on the Sundance Channel, the listing for which I saw just after the mainstream media reported that 9/11-born Christina Green was the granddaughter of baseball pitcher/manager Dallas Green.

From wiki:

Green confirmed, during an interview at the 2008 NXNE festival with DJ Dave Bookman of Toronto's CFNY-FM, that he was indeed named after the famous major league pitcher/manager of the same name. He stated that although he was born on Sep 29, 1980, he had gone without a name at first.. His mother was considering naming him Graham-Todd Green, but his father had bet on Philadelphia Phillies during the 1980 World Series that October and, after the team won, his parents decided on the name Dallas after the Phillies' manager.

Friday night I was reading an astronomy mag in bed and mentioned to the GF that we should go to Anderson Mesa in AZ, as it was ranked as a premier skywatching site. I joked that we could live in the Arizona desert til spring... she joked that AZ was full of right-wing nuts with guns and we'd probably get shot by some minuteman looking to bag illegal immigrants, because Canadians would probably count too.

Ohhhh, very curious, this weekend.

[Canadian_watcher]

Kinda makes me wonder about the metaphysical contention that we all create this reality via a decoding of information through our consciousnesses - perhaps misinterpretation of the cosmic 'datastream' by groups of individuals leads there to being a whole bunch of "Dallas Green" references surrounding one event, or echoing past events, since that data was out there, but we had no instruction on how to use it.

know what I mean? don't blame you if you don't since that was a pretty piss-poor explanation of the garble in my head.

[nathan28]

@Sepka: The "Lee" and all-three-names things were just too easy to pick out. Also IDK WTF they'd mean except that for copy desk editors having a middle name is a sign of being a serial killer.

Kinda makes me wonder about the metaphysical contention that we all create this reality via a decoding of information through our consciousnesses - perhaps misinterpretation of the cosmic 'datastream' by groups of individuals leads there to being a whole bunch of "Dallas Green" references surrounding one event, or echoing past events, since that data was out there, but we had no instruction on how to use it.

know what I mean? don't blame you if you don't since that was a pretty piss-poor explanation of the garble in my head.

Okay, here's the thing I notice from those Daily News photos: Loughner's "altar"--that's what it is--has burnt candles and ashes at it. I'm just going to hazard to guess that Loughner was actively doing occult stuff. In case you didn't know, that shit gets really weird really fast. I.e., it's destabilizing. Someone quoted said he was in a "nihilistic rut" that wasn't typical for him (although his obsession with "grammar" seems to predate that)--lo and behold, there's a skull and prayer candles prominent in his back yard. Combined with this guy's fondness for Zeitgeistisms and Jordan Maxwell-like crap, I think what's going on is a sort of perfect storm of schizophrenia, occult/praeterhuman something and incoherent politics.

Put another way, this guy was throwing occult gas on a fire.

There's really something that isn't adding up here, and it might just be that press hasn't really sorted the details into a coherent story or found the central 'fact' that this revolves around. This guy shot a conservative Democrat, and wasn't/isn't the judge who was hit a Republican?

Luther Blissett the night before this happened at my place, (maybe while it was happening, not sure) that Mad Mel film Conspiracy Theory was on.

To much coincidence about this as it is.

You mean like this precognitive KWH? What I don't see in the MSM is the suggestion that Zeitgeist IV or whatever set this guy off.

[norton ash]

You mean like this precognitive KWH? What I don't see in the MSM is the suggestion that Zeitgeist IV or whatever set this guy off.

Thanks, Nathan, I dug too-briefly for that exact thread yesterday. It's related, I'm sure, especially with Loughner's rattling on in his youtubes about unreal currency and government.

[Canadian_watcher]

Okay, here's the thing I notice from those Daily News photos: Loughner's "altar"--that's what it is--has burnt candles and ashes at it. I'm just going to hazard to guess that Loughner was actively doing occult stuff. In case you didn't know, that shit gets really weird really fast. I.e., it's destabilizing. Someone quoted said he was in a "nihilistic rut" that wasn't typical for him (although his obsession with "grammar" seems to predate that)--lo and behold, there's a skull and prayer candles prominent in his back yard. Combined with this guy's fondness for Zeitgeistisms and Jordan Maxwell-like crap, I think what's going on is a sort of perfect storm of schizophrenia, occult/praeterhuman something and incoherent politics.

Put another way, this guy was throwing occult gas on a fire.

There's really something that isn't adding up here, and it might just be that press hasn't really sorted the details into a coherent story or found the central 'fact' that this revolves around. This guy shot a conservative Democrat, and wasn't/isn't the judge who was hit a Republican? What I don't see in the MSM is the suggestion that Zeitgeist IV or whatever set this guy off.

.. those are exactly the opinions / issues I'm going over in my head, too.

He does seem just totally, innocently, sadly mentally ill.. but there's *no* connection of the dots by the MSM or seemingly even by law enforcement. What is his connection to the victims? someone suggested there may have been a romantic thing between he and giffords which was broken off. Although there's zero evidence of that at this point it's the only thing that might explain the sudden downturn of Loughner's mental state (particularly if he did combine occultic activities in there and he was already mentally unstable) and his subsequent totally irrational shooting at dozens of people rather than at a specific target.

[Blue]

.. those are exactly the opinions / issues I'm going over in my head, too.

He does seem just totally, innocently, sadly mentally ill.. but there's *no* connection of the dots by the MSM or seemingly even by law enforcement. What is his connection to the victims? someone suggested there may have been a romantic thing between he and giffords which was broken off. Although there's zero evidence of that at this point it's the only thing that might explain the sudden downturn of Loughner's mental state (particularly if he did combine occultic activities in there and he was already mentally unstable) and his subsequent totally irrational shooting at dozens of people rather than at a specific target.

What kind of bullshit is this and why is it allowed to stand? He is not innocent by any standard. WHO suggested Giffords had a romantic thing with her assassin? Yeah, because we all know how a happily married third term Congresswoman would so fall in love with some punk teenager who can't even string three coherent words together. How appealing that must have been to her. If there's zero evidence why did you even bring it up?

[norton ash]

FOX News is something else today. De-fence, De-fence. It's downright surreal.

[Canadian_watcher]

.. those are exactly the opinions / issues I'm going over in my head, too.

He does seem just totally, innocently, sadly mentally ill.. but there's *no* connection of the dots by the MSM or seemingly even by law enforcement. What is his connection to the victims? someone suggested there may have been a romantic thing between he and giffords which was broken off. Although there's zero evidence of that at this point it's the only thing that might explain the sudden downturn of Loughner's mental state (particularly if he did combine occultic activities in there and he was already mentally unstable) and his subsequent totally irrational shooting at dozens of people rather than at a specific target.

What kind of bullshit is this and why is it allowed to stand? He is not innocent by any standard. WHO suggested Giffords had a romantic thing with her assassin? Yeah, because we all know how a happily married third term Congresswoman would so fall in love with some punk teenager who can't even string three coherent words together. How appealing that must have been to her. If there's zero evidence why did you even bring it up?

yes, what kind of bullshit *is* this?

re-read, please. I said he is innocently mentally ill. Meaning that it's no one's fault if they are mentally ill.
as for the rest of it, I believe I said that there is absolutely NO evidence of an affair, right?

EDIT: I brought it up because it seems to me to at least be a motive for crazed indiscriminate shooting in her general direction. As in: "I'm going to make you suffer as you've made me suffer" in that jilted-teenage-punk-deranged-mind type of revenge. A grand gesture of unrequited love. But again, I restate, this has no basis in any evidence so far.

[Crow]

Okay, here's the thing I notice from those Daily News photos: Loughner's "altar"--that's what it is--has burnt candles and ashes at it. I'm just going to hazard to guess that Loughner was actively doing occult stuff. In case you didn't know, that shit gets really weird really fast. I.e., it's destabilizing. Someone quoted said he was in a "nihilistic rut" that wasn't typical for him (although his obsession with "grammar" seems to predate that)--lo and behold, there's a skull and prayer candles prominent in his back yard. Combined with this guy's fondness for Zeitgeistisms and Jordan Maxwell-like crap, I think what's going on is a sort of perfect storm of schizophrenia, occult/praeterhuman something and incoherent politics.

Any ideas as to the meaning of the rotten oranges? I'm not familiar with any tradition that uses them, unless they were simply meant as an offering.

The rest looks like standard occult paraphernalia to me. But he put some time into setting up that backyard tent, and the candles looked like they were burnt down, so this wasn't merely for show.

Here is an example of similar plaster skulls, with an explanation of their possible use.

[Pele'sDaughter]

wasn't/isn't the judge who was hit a Republican?

No doubt; he was recommended by McCain and nominated by H W Bush.

http://judgepedia.org/index.php/John_Roll

[nathan28]

Okay, here's the thing I notice from those Daily News photos: Loughner's "altar"--that's what it is--has burnt candles and ashes at it. I'm just going to hazard to guess that Loughner was actively doing occult stuff. In case you didn't know, that shit gets really weird really fast. I.e., it's destabilizing. Someone quoted said he was in a "nihilistic rut" that wasn't typical for him (although his obsession with "grammar" seems to predate that)--lo and behold, there's a skull and prayer candles prominent in his back yard. Combined with this guy's fondness for Zeitgeistisms and Jordan Maxwell-like crap, I think what's going on is a sort of perfect storm of schizophrenia, occult/praeterhuman something and incoherent politics.

Any ideas as to the meaning of the rotten oranges? I'm not familiar with any tradition that uses them, unless they were simply meant as an offering.

The rest looks like standard occult paraphernalia to me. But he put some time into setting up that backyard tent, and the candles looked like they were burnt down, so this wasn't merely for show.

Here is an example of similar plaster skulls, with an explanation of their possible use.

No idea what the meaning of any of that is, and it wouldn't be discernible without asking Loughner. There's no need for it to have any canonical meaning beyond whatever he cooked up anyway. I'm just assuming that the skull is more Black Metal than it is Memento Mori.

OTOH, maybe it's just a Day of the Dead thing that he forgot to clean up after.