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Hammer of Los wrote:...
I concur with the Kid as usual.
Hi Kid!Preserving your wealth can be fun
The first thing you'll need is a gun
Trust no one you meet
Each night soak your feet
Just in case it is prudent to run
I shall never own a gun.
However, I have been carving a number of wooden items recently.
A wand, a walking stick for a child, that has many uses including bow and slingshot, and a larger, heavier walking stick for me. The lattermost I have yet to begin, I have the branch but I am not sure it will be fit for purpose. I will find out when I begin carving.
They are carved in hazel, yew and oak.
If anyone ever sought to point a gun at me, I would have to either dodge or incapacitate the hand that wields the gun.
Hopefully, my kung fu would help in such a scenario.
I sure hope and pray it never comes to that, but who knows?
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vanlose kid wrote:Nordic wrote:The bottom line is that governments, Kings and religious orders do not ‘produce’ anything nearly equal to their consumption no matter how you measure it, unless you have been drinking their Kool-Aid. These entities will consume from all sources using one or more of the following strategies; regulation, taxation and ultimately confiscation.
Great. Another one of those "libertarian" types, typical Zero Hedge stuff. I read the site anyway, because they're very good at figuring out what is going on, but terrible at seeing the actual causes of it.
I mean, they're still stuck in the "too much government is causing the collapse!" nonsense.
It's a bit tiresome at this point.
Yeah, let's "free" the markets even more, so the looting can speed up into red-line territory! Sure, that'll work.
really?false dichotomy much?
apropos of the post you commented on, what do you think the (always and ever necessary) government will do to these despicable "libertarians"?...The inlet beside Wukan, in China's south, is tranquil. Herons and egrets fly over the nearby lagoon. The surrounding hills, some rising high above the village, are covered with lush trees and shrubs and the green-blue waters show barely a ripple. There is no wind.
For the fisherman of this village on the South China Sea three hours' drive east of Hong Kong, this should be a pleasant day for fishing.
But this is a fishing village where the fisherman cannot fish.
Wukan has captured the attention of the world, and of internet-savvy Chinese, as its residents have risen up against what they see as corruption among the local Communist Party officials who answer only to their party bosses.
China may be a country that spends more on maintaining internal security than on defence, according to finance ministry figures, but the residents of Wukan have nonetheless driven out the bureaucrats and the police and are now governing themselves...
http://www.thenational.ae/news/worldwid ... le-to-fish
people who choose to govern themselves, freaks of nature, huh? completely impossible right?
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There is a breaking news
CB of Iran Stop Selling Gold Coin it announced that buyer get coin after next 4months very bad signal to market
it seems they are hopeless of controlling the market
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... 2Fshowitem %2F8707.aspx&act=url
http://translate.google.com/translate?s ... rsnews.com% 2Fnewstext.php%3Fnn%3D13900928000846&act=url
what is going on here???
Mr president(Ahmadinezhad) will lecture in TV on tomorrow night it would be very important
these day I'm learning the meaning of Chaos
I changed 94 percent of my properties to Gold coin
4 Percent $ and €
and 2 percent in Rial just for needs in the case of emergency
all Iranian became expert traders here even who can't read or write calculate you the interest rate, deposit rate inflation rate $/Rial rate they knoe what is the ounce how many grams is it !! and speeches like a person who has PHD of economy
all finding a way to protect themselves against future.
Easy to see why Iran is next.
In studying the role of Central Banks, I have discovered that there are distinct differences between a private/independent Central Bank and a state run Central Bank. It is clear that when a nation allows a Central Bank to be independent of the government, the debt of that nation quickly grows beyond control. It is a fact that all of the countries which are drowning in debt have an independent or privately operated Central Bank.
Iran has a State owned Central Bank- Negligible debt. 12 billion.
In 2008 Iran started selling oil in Euros. This is a direct threat to the U.S.
We saw what happened when Iraq decided to sell oil in Euros. And when Libya proposed a new gold backed dinar.
Central Bank Sells gold trough Branch of National Bank (Called Melli bank) but not all branches, we have gold store here but bank sells gold cheaper
I think it's not gold trade it's more like to save deposit against inflation and sanctions these days staying in queues with some rebels and thefts is very dangerous you may lose all your property instead of buying gold.
our TV doesn't say that in news but everyone learned it from Internet.
there are many reasons trigger this rush:
1) sanctions of CBI
2) selling gold by bank(which stopped today after 9 months) shows they need money!!
3) CPI near 50 % inflation near 20%
tonight after work time when I take a taxi to back home he said me to give him 3500 rial instead of 3000 I surprised (I remembered the Zimbabwe)
I told him I don't print the money Get your extra 500 Rials from CBI!! who print the money continuously
4) and the most important : losing confidence to economical policies of government especially our central bank chief DR. Mahmoud Bahmani
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahmoud_Bahmani_
Market severely shaking
After stopping of gold selling by banks coin price skyrockets from 6080000 to 6250000 Rials
1 Gold coin= 6250000
1 us dollar =15600!!! It’s still unbelievable
The no queue in front of the banks as banks stop selling coins (or they may have run out coins) but the announcement emphasis on stop the selling programs to take back banks to the normal situation as they said banks can’t serve in normal way under huge queue of coin sellers.
While MR. President yesterday said it’s part of psychological warfare of foreigner and there is no crisis here!! I believe they became blind and can’t analysis the market correctly.
It’s very obvious people losing their fate in our paper currency.
I will update a more accurate and complete report of today tonight (8 hours later)
He is right... Iran, Sudan and North Korea are the few countries that are not run by the Global Rothschild bankers.
Confessions of an Economic Hitman is a good book to read on the topic.
It is a war against Islamic banking...Follow the money...
Largest Islamic banks
Shariah-compliant assets reached about $400 billion throughout the world in 2009, according to Standard & Poor’s Ratings Services, and the potential market is $4 trillion.
Iran, Saudi Arabia and Malaysia have the biggest sharia-compliant assets.
In 2009 Iranian banks accounted for about 40 percent of total assets of the world's top 100 Islamic banks. Bank Melli Iran, with assets of $45.5 billion came first, followed by Saudi Arabia's Al Rajhi Bank, Bank Mellat with $39.7 billion and Bank Saderat Iran with $39.3 billion. Iran holds the world's largest level of Islamic finance assets valued at $235.3bn which is more than double the next country in the ranking with $92bn. Six out of ten top Islamic banks in the world are Iranian. In November 2010, The Banker published its latest authoritative list of the Top 500 Islamic Finance Institutions with Iran topping the list. Seven out of ten top Islamic banks in the world are Iranian according to the list.
Any country that tries to set up a Gold standard is taken out.
That is the Banker's money, Not the common people's. Fractional Reserve Currency is the people's.... allows a leveraged theft of value.
The first step is to flood the country with Dollars and create price inflation in local currency with supply restrictions and sanctions.
China was smart in that they disseminated Gold to their people too.
Putting Gold in the people's hands works to reduce money inflation the same way as the west uses collectable coinage.
Think about that... How many of you know people that have a state or provincial quarter collection?
That not only takes 25 cents out of circulation but the fractional reserve x 9 to infinity. For the cost of 3 cents worth of Steel slug.
When times get tougher, can you imagine how that will supercharge price inflation as people use them into circulation?
Cash them in now and buy Gold and Silver ounces. That is the only way to bypass the game.
Iman...he is right, your country is under financial attack.
Beware of any currency... You are going to see a panic rush into USD and Euro.
Once there is no other alternative the plan is to crash those currencies to set up a one world money.
I hope you are working on your list...Gold, Silver and Physical items of value might get you through a little safer.
Nordic wrote:The bottom line is that governments, Kings and religious orders do not ‘produce’ anything nearly equal to their consumption no matter how you measure it, unless you have been drinking their Kool-Aid. These entities will consume from all sources using one or more of the following strategies; regulation, taxation and ultimately confiscation.
Great. Another one of those "libertarian" types, typical Zero Hedge stuff. I read the site anyway, because they're very good at figuring out what is going on, but terrible at seeing the actual causes of it.
I mean, they're still stuck in the "too much government is causing the collapse!" nonsense.
It's a bit tiresome at this point.
Yeah, let's "free" the markets even more, so the looting can speed up into red-line territory! Sure, that'll work.
Elihu wrote:the problem is human behavior since gold obviously has no behavior. so then, let us legalize it as a gold coin for money.
full disclosure: as a lifeline to avert disaster. that part was an opinion
C-SPAN wasn’t the only one to get cut off on Wednesday. As The Young Turks host Cenk Uygur and self-declared 1 percenter Peter Schiff hotly debated the role of money in politics, Cenk cut off Schiff’s microphone when he interrupted him and continued to talk.
“Are you saying the bankers are not guilty of this at all?” Cenk tried to ask after he was interrupted.
“We don’t have the benefits of capitalism any more because we don’t have capitalism,” Schiff responded. “We have a centrally planned socialist economy, and that is why the average American is getting poorer.”
“Alright, I’m done with that load of crap,” Cenk said, and asked for Schiff to be cut off.
“He wants to blame the government for the problems, but he knows it’s his banker friends who have given those donations, who buy their senators, who buy their staff members, so they can get more money,” Cenk added. “He doesn’t want you to pay attention to that, because that’s how they rob you. And he comes on here and goes, ‘Oh, no no, it’s socialism.’ Socialism, my ass!”
“The real problem is — and he’s talked about it in the past, but he didn’t talk about it there — corporatism, where the corporations come in and rob us blind.”
Indonesian police fire on gold mine protesters
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-12-26/i ... rs/3747932
...If enough gold bonds are issued soon enough, we may reverse the one-way flow of gold from the markets into private hiding, that is inexorably leading to inevitable permanent backwardation and the withdrawal of all gold from the system.
One of the key points in my backwardation paper is that the value of the dollar collapses to zero not as a consequence of the quantity of dollars rising to infinity, but because of the desire of some dollar holders to get gold. If they cannot trade paper for gold, then they will trade paper for commodities without regard to price and trade those commodities for gold. This will cause the price of the commodities in dollar terms to rise to levels that make the dollar useless in trade (and collapse the price of commodities in gold terms).
If we reverse the flow of gold out of the markets, we may be able to prevent this disaster from occurring. The dollar will then continue to lose value in a continuous (if accelerating) manner, as people migrate to gold.
This is the best outcome that could possibly be hoped for. If it occurs along with a reduction in spending so that spending does not exceed (tax) revenues, we will avert Armageddon and be on the path to a proper and real recovery. To be clear, times will be hard and the average standard of living will decline precipitously.
But this is infinitely preferable to total collapse.
It is now up to farsighted leaders, especially in government, to take the first concrete steps towards saving Western Civilization.
eyeno on the job! more:eyeno wrote: i've given you all the all the clues that I can...take note of the dates. Prepare.
http://www.deflationeconomy.com/kondratiev-wave.html
Only in 6 of the 21 series could Kondratiev not confirm the presence of a long wave-cycle. Significantly, in the case of the price level and the rate of interest the evidence was strong. Kondratiev’s ultimate conclusion was that he obtained sufficient empirical basis to support the hypothesis of the existence of a long-wave economic cycle in the capitalist economies he studied, with an average duration of 54 years. He allowed a 25 percent deviation from this average. In particular, Kondratiev identified three historic waves:
i. First wave: rising phase from 1780-90 to 1810-17; falling phase from 1810-17 to 1844-51.
ii. Second wave: rising phase from 1844-51 to 1870-75; falling phase from 1870-75 to 1890-96.
iii. Third wave: rising phase from 1890-96 to 1914-20; falling phase started 1914-20.
Kondratieff was exiled to Siberia by Bolshevik officials who flatly rejected his conclusions. To the faithful there could only be one falling phase of the capitalist economy, followed by the socialist revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat. And, following that, there was to be only
one rising phase, leading to eternal bliss under communism. Kondratiev died in the Gulag in 1930 at the age of 38. His work was later updated by other economists using his original methodology. They found that the falling phase of the third wave ended 1947-48, and that there is a
iv. Fourth wave: rising phase from 1947-48 to 1973-80; falling phase started 1973-80.
There may be more to hoarding than boorishness. It is well-known that informed producers regularly use sophisticated inventory-management techniques involving the speeding up or the slowing down of input and output at either end of their production line. The means of hoarding are just as ingenious as its objects are varied. The practice is certainly not confined to housewives buying more sugar to fill up their pantry, nor to small-time smugglers holding contraband merchandise in mountain-caves. They also include big multi-national firms using the most up-to-date techniques such as inventory-padding or the deliberate use of leads and lags in warehousing. In recent times cutbacks in production quotas of highly marketable goods such as crude oil have been utilized for the same purpose with dramatic effect. The Japanese are known to import far more lumber and coal from Canada than they need for current consumption. Having treated the excess with an impregnating solution, they sink the lumber and coal to the bottom of their mountain lakes. Nor is hoarding of fuel confined to energy-poor countries. The U.S. government is filling up disused salt mines with crude oil. They call it “strategic stockpile”, but in the vernacular it is called hoarding, even if the word has a pejorative or boorish connotation. The supertanker construction boom in the 1970's was not an exercise in efficient transportation. Its purpose was to build floating warehouses. The supertankers filled to the brim with crude set sail without the captain having the slightest idea of its final destination. If the highest bid for the crude in the tanker was not high enough, no problem. The supertanker just had to keep cruising a little longer. Futures and options trading opened up new avenues for the general public to participate in the hoarding game. These examples illustrate the phenomenal increase in the propensity to hoard in the period preceding 1980, which was manifested not only in rising prices but rising interest rates as well. Since 1980 the world has been experiencing a fall in the propensity to hoard, and even “dishoarding” previously hoarded goods. The process of reducing stockpiles at falling prices, which have been built up in expectation of higher prices, is a painful one.
It would be an impossible task to estimate, however tentatively, the size of existing stockpiles of goods held not for impending consumption but, rather, for some other reason, notably in protest against low interest rates, reckless government spending, and the banks’ plundering the savings of individuals. This
is where the statistician must plead ignorance. The only way to grasp the hoarding instincts and habits of people is through theoretical understanding. The divorce of hoarding from saving took place in response to the conspiracy of the banks, aided and abetted by the government, in order to defraud and dispossess the saving public. Over long periods of time the propensity to hoard has been gaining ground as an independent economic force at the expense of the propensity to save (i.e., save money) in response to deteriorating bank practices, in particular, the banks’ sheltering of illiquid government debt in their balance sheet, and the government’s protecting the banks against depositors withdrawing the gold coin. By now the U.S. has reached the point that the savings rate is negative. It is wrong to blame the American people for this unfortunate state of affairs. The blame should be assigned to American politicians and officials who have corrupted the monetary system to such an extent that people refuse to put their savings into instruments the banks have to offer. No one knows what the savings rate would be if the value of marketable goods hoarded by Americans could be calculated.
There is no defensible justification in jurisprudence for extending special privileges to banks, or for protecting them against the consequences of their own folly. A law setting up double standard of justice is bad by definition. The argument that bank failures cause too much economic and social pain is spurious. All should stand equal before the law. Compromising this principle lets the bad effects of bank policy accumulate and will ultimately cause far more harm and economic or social distress than the immediate punishment of the bank that has gone astray.
Later the banks got still more protection from the government in the form of compromised standards of inspection. When they overstate the value of their assets and understate that of their liabilities, bank examiners look the other way. “See no evil, speak no evil”. Banks can get away with fraudulent accounting practices that would trigger harsh punitive action if practiced by other firms. Bank examiners exonerate guilty banks upon the tacit approval, if not at the outright request of the government.
Economists are not famous for their curiosity about this peculiar tolerance for fraud that governments the world over have displayed for centuries. Yet the
explanation is rather simple: “If you scratch my back, then I shall scratch yours.” The banks have ample opportunity to return the favor of the government when they are expected to buy up treasury paper, which the market is no longer willing to take at the yields offered, and to deliver similar sweetheart deals. It would be naive in the extreme to assume that the savers meekly acquiesced in such acts of double-dealings and coercion. They could not prevent the government and the banks from sabotaging and ultimately destroying the gold standard. But they could do something about it. Instead of (or in addition to) hoarding gold, savers thereafter started hoarding other marketable commodities. The list of marketable goods is endless. There are the conventional ones such as salt, sugar, spices, spirits, tobacco, tea, and coffee. To this, one has to add the non-conventional ones, energy carriers such as crude oil, and narcotics such as heroin and cocaine. (Note that as long as governments tolerated the gold standard there was little problem with drug trafficking. The suggestion cannot be easily dismissed that the escalation in illegal drug trade in the twentieth century was in direct response to the destruction of the gold standard.)
After the destruction of the gold standard by the government hoarding did not cease. It only changed form. The benign tumor turned malignant. Not only did the withdrawal of gold coins from the monetary bloodstream through government coercion fail to stop deflation: it set off a huge suction pump in the bond market siphoning money off from every nook and cranny of the economy. In particular, it created a devastating liquidation and depression from which only a world war could pull the economy.
We can’t help but notice that gold is the philosopher’s stone. In its possession the propensity to hoard is directed into its proper channels. Without it the world economy becomes a plaything in the hands of bond and foreign exchange speculators. Competitive Devaluations
Since 1981 the world appears to be in the grips of a deflationary spiral, right on schedule as predicted by the Kondratiev cycle. This spiral hasn’t run its course yet. Some liquidation has taken place, but the worst seems still to come. The politicians and economists congratulate each other for ”having squeezed inflationary expectations out of the system”. Whatever they have squeezed, the inflationary and deflationary spirals are not caused by expectations, but by actual money-flows between the commodity and bond markets. The international monetary system is still the same rudderless ship it has been since 1971, and it is still exposed to the same monetary storms. The only difference is that the direction of the gale has changed.
4792AD?What is to be done?
We need not conclude our review on such a pessimistic note. We are able to temper the deleterious effects of Kondratiev’s long-wave cycle, even though we are unable to eliminate it. If we cannot legislate the propensity to hoard out of existence, we may at least confine it to its proper channels and secure it with a
safety-valve. The role of gold in the world is to provide just such a safety-valve. God created gold in order to render the propensity to hoard harmless. Gold hoarding has no effect on essential consumption, its only effect is on jewelry consumption. Under a gold standard there is no bond, still less foreign exchange speculation. The only road to stabilization is to put speculation into its proper place, confining speculators to fields where they can do no harm, but they may do some good: to the market of agricultural commodities with supply controlled by nature, not by man. The greatest blunder that Keynes committed was that he failed to foresee the forces that his policies would unleash. In particular, he was oblivious to speculation unleashed in markets where supply is not controlled by nature but by man (read: governments and central banks), such as the bond and foreign exchange markets.
The significance of a gold standard is not to be seen in its ability to stabilize prices, which is neither possible nor desirable. It is, rather, seen in its ability to stabilize the rate of interest at the lowest level that is still compatible with the requirements of the saver. The stabilization of the rate of interest and foreign exchange will then impart as much stability to the price level as is consonant with a dynamic economy. By letting the saver withdraw the gold coin (read: bank reserves) when the rate of interest falls to a level he considers unacceptable, the irresistible speculative money-flow to-and-fro between the commodity and bond markets — the engine of inflationary and deflationary spirals — would be shut down at source. Benign bond/gold arbitrage would replace the malignant bond/commodity speculation. Since the former is self-limiting while the latter is self-aggravating, economic stability would be enhanced.
The alternative to a gold standard is too horrible to contemplate. Unemployment more devastating than that of the 1930's, an earthquake shaking the international monetary system to its foundations, the construction of protective tariff walls and, in the end, a world war in which governments hope to find an escape route from economic chaos.
Elihu wrote:http://professorfekete.com/articles%5CAEFWobblyAnchor.pdf
I am not going to analyze the Chatham report. Instead, I am going to discuss some of the results of research done at the New Austrian School of Economics (NASE) on gold in contemporary economy, as well as gold in the 20th century.
(1) Gold is the only ultimate extinguisher of debt. Having been exiled from the international monetary system in 1971, gold has not been able to play its God-ordained role as the ultimate extinguisher of debt.
Explain to me why anyone sane, or aspiring to sanity, would want to read a word past that? Unless, this is supposed to be a parody?
did she say to keep enquiring or can we stop now? is gold part of the material world or is it a human fantasy unlike a treasury bond?She also told me that other than her chats with me as her sole accredited agent, her only means of communicating with humans is through the material world as apprehended by empirical inquiry.
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