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Postby conniption » Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:40 am

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Online Impersonators Face Charges in Wake of Sandy Hook
Posted December 21, 2012 in Criminal Law Internet Law Social Networks by Josh Crank

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Lt. J. Paul Vance of the Connecticut State Police (AP Photo/Jason DeCrow)


With the speed and convenience of social media, it takes minimal time and effort to perpetrate a hoax online. But Internet pranksters may want to think twice before making their next fraudulent post, now that state and federal authorities in Connecticut have raised the possibility of criminal charges against those who impersonated Sandy Hook Elementary shooter Adam Lanza and others connected to the shooting.

“Misinformation is being posted on social media sites,” said Connecticut State Police Lt. J. Paul Vance at a press conference. “There has been misinformation coming from people posing as the shooter in this case, using other IDs, mimicking this crime, crime scene and criminal activity that took place in this community.”

Vance said some of the online posts were made in a “somewhat threatening manner” and that “these issues are crimes, they will be investigated statewide and federally, and prosecution will take place when people perpetrating this information are identified.”

Tom Carson, spokesman for Connecticut-based U.S. Attorney David Fein, said in a separate statement that the harassment of anyone connected to the case would be prosecuted “to the fullest extent permitted by law” and specified that “harassment not only includes in-person contact, but also contact via the Internet, social media and telephone.”

Neither official called out any specific online posts, but CNN reports that multiple Twitter accounts created after the shooting appeared to exploit Lanza’s notoriety, including at least one that was written from Lanza’s perspective. Twitter has deactivated several of the accounts for policy violations.

Vance and Carson’s statements suggest potential charges could include criminal impersonation, criminal misrepresentation and harassment. But Jonathan Ezor, Director of the Institute for Business, Law and Technology at Touro Law Center, says that investigators have their work cut out for them while identifying suspects.

“Online, it’s much harder to prove actual identity,” Ezor said. “With an IP address, at best you have a specific account. There’s an extra burden on the part of whoever is investigating to prove which person was using that account.”

Even if investigators can conclusively identify suspects, Ezor says they may also have a difficult time meeting the legal standards of the charges they pursue.

“Both in the real world and in the cyber world, the general standard is that of a credible threat,” Ezor said. “That’s usually where you cross the line from legally protected stupidity to potential criminality. The possibility of a prosecution is entirely dependent on whether it’s a credible threat and whether they can prove it.”

Online Impersonation Law Still Developing
Depending on what investigators find, prosecutors could file charges against these impersonators even though Connecticut doesn’t have laws specifically against online impersonation. But in recent years, California, Hawaii, Louisiana, Mississippi, New York, Texas and Washington have all passed laws that single out online impersonation as a separate criminal offense. In Texas, it’s a third degree felony punishable by up to ten years in state prison.

Critics have called these new laws redundant, since much of the conduct prohibited by online impersonation laws is already covered by existing laws. In the case of California’s online impersonation law, digital rights advocacy group Electronic Frontier Foundation argued that the law could enable powerful interests to suppress the free speech of groups like the Yes Men, which uses impersonation and satire to lampoon corporations and government.
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So who are you guys going to talk to once you have cowed your discussion board participants through bullying and intimidation?

No one here has been "posing as the shooter in this case" or using other IDs, mimicking this crime, etc.

Both in the real world and in the cyber world, the general standard is that of a credible threat,” Ezor said. “That’s usually where you cross the line from legally protected stupidity to potential criminality."

No threats have been made. No harassment. No nothing.

I think we fall well within the range of "legally protected stupidity" thanks to our 1st amendment.

As it happens, I'm not a big gun enthusiast, but please don't be messing with our Freedom of Speech.

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Video for Lt. J. Paul Vance on Dec. 16, 2012.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby barracuda » Tue Jan 29, 2013 12:49 pm

People all over the web have moved to preemptively indemnify themselves against possible problems arising from their previous statements regarding innocent bystanders mentioned in connection with Sandy Hook, including Radioman911, the originator of the YouTube video used to suggest Rodia's involvement. Even Scott Creighton (for god's sake) has stepped back:

UPDATE: (Jan 3rd 2013) The original recording from Dec. 14th (the day of the shooting) posted by Radioman911 on his Youtube account may have been flawed to start with. He lists two official sources as the origins of the video he put together as

Audio provided by Radioreference.com

1. Newtown PD/Fire Radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=7623
2. CT State Police Radioreference.com/apps/audio/?feedId=9921

There is nothing to indicate that he was posting partial recordings from Greenwich Ct. PD 50 miles from the scene of the Sandy Hook shooting. But that may have been what happened.

Below is an email sent to Radioman911 from the operations commander of the Greenwich PD in which he claims that Radioman911 has included their 800 MHz signal along with the CT state signal and Newtown’s. He claims to recognize the officer’s voice on the recording as well as the dispatcher who replies to his inquiry. I post the email from Capt. Mark Kordick Ct. PD in it’s entirety as published with permission by Radioman911.

    Dear Sir:

    Your upload to YouTube relative to the Newtown CT Shooting radio traffic has caused quite a stir as it relates to a Mr. Christopher Rodia. I’m not sure where you sourced your feed, but the traffic related to Mr. Rodia is from a 800 MHz six-channel trunked LMR system in use in Greenwich, CT. Greenwich is approximately 45 miles away from Newtown. The Greenwich system carries only municipal Greenwich traffic (public safety and non-public safety) and is in no way connected to the state’s 800 MHz trunked system or Newtown’s.

    I am certain of this because after the matter (and all of the Internet Conspiracy Theory buzz – just google “Christopher Rodia”) was brought to our attention, we went back and checked our recordings for December 14. In addition to just recognizing the voices involved as Greenwich Police Officers and Dispatchers, we have all of the audio from our recording system that matches all of the “Rodia” traffic (and some of the other unrelated-to-Newtown casualty call traffic that occurs at the same time.)

    In any event, I’m sure you’ll want to help clarify this matter. The “Rodia” traffic is definitely contemporaneous – but from miles away. This has unfortunately additionally clouded an already confusing and emotional issue. Worse, it has brought considerable (and wholly undeserved) angst to Mr. Rodia. Anything you can do to help clear this up would certainly be appreciated.

    Feel free to message me back with any questions. I can also be contacted at mkordick@greenwichct.org.

    Yours Truly,
    Capt. Mark Kordick
    Commander – Operations Division
    Greenwich Police Dept

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So it would appear that Rodia’s name was mistakenly identified with the license plate of the suspect vehicle.

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I have to say it would appear that the connection between Rodia and the suspect vehicle have been misguided but not malicious. Independent researchers went with the information made available to them, myself included, and drew a conclusion based on that.


^^That's what's colloquially known as "covering your ass".

As well, it has come to light that Nancy Lanza owned a 2010 Honda Civic, (h/t Dr. Evil) and while that isn't the same as the actual registration paper, it's yet another piece of evidence against insinuating Rodia's connection with any aspect of this crime.

conniption wrote:So who are you guys going to talk to once you have cowed your discussion board participants through bullying and intimidation?


Oh, we'll probably just start throwing baseless accusations and recriminations at each other. You know - the usual.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jan 30, 2013 5:49 am

conniption wrote:

As it happens, I'm not a big gun enthusiast, but please don't be messing with our Freedom of Speech.


Unless people politely say stuff you don't want to hear and apparently either can't understand or can't answer. Then you call it bullying and intimidation.

The irony of it all being:.

Nobody has tried to stop you or anybody else from saying whatever you or they want to say. They've just commented on it.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby DrEvil » Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:45 pm

conniption wrote:So who are you guys going to talk to once you have cowed your discussion board participants through bullying and intimidation?


I didn't know that refuting obvious bullshit (like Rodia) was the same as bullying and intimidation.
But you're right - it's legally protected stupidity, so all we can do is moan and bitch and point out that what you're saying is stupid.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby conniption » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:32 pm

Okay.

Whatever.

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The following comment and video were posted below this article at Memoryholeblog.

patriotact
January 28, 2013 at 4:07 pm

We have an opportunity to carry on logical, factual analysis in this thread. Or we can wax and wane conspiracy theory and have the Main Stream Media and the potential perpetrators of a fraud RIGHTLY call us nutcases.

All this gum flappin’ in here about this and that, that which is not factual, that which is not logical, or critically developed will destroy the work these people have done for us.

FACTS, if you don’t have FACTS or scientific, supportable evidence, LURK, LISTEN and LEARN, don’t pollute the thread with “stuff”.


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January 28, 2013 at 6:28 pm

I’m using math and geometry, trig and calculus to analyze the direction of the shadows in important media, to determine the Time of Day, and construct a Timeline, look before you leap please, so it don’t splatter on me when you hit that pile of shit at the bottom of the hole you are digging.



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Pat Jack / patriotact certainly has a way with Google Earth. Impressive.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby barracuda » Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:48 pm

Maybe you can explain what Mr. patriotact is trying to prove with that video.

And no broken windows, huh? Right.

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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:06 pm

This is fundamentally an anonymous discussion board for complicated and controversial subjects.

That said, we have very damn clear prohibitions and rules of conduct. None of them have been violated by the opinions and discussion that I have seen in relation to this issue. Granted, it's a contentious issue, but on a rules-enforcing level, I don't think the moderators have done *anything* in regards to the Sandy Hook conversation, as well as the very specific and personal allegations that were floated. In my professional opinion: so fucking what? We've subjected Hunter S. Thompson and yours truly to the same paranoid microscope, and life goes on.

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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:14 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:I've got files on all of you.)


Of course you do. We each compile our own for you on a daily basis. See the "Search" function at the top right, although sadly I find that going to Google and using the same terms plus site:rigorousintuition.ca yields better results. Then stay at aforementioned search engine and use a few phrases from each of us to discover cross-posts on other platforms or Facebook pages or whatnot, which is sooner or later likely to yield identities, obsessions, phone numbers, credit records, mug shots, membership in the United Furry Cosplay Federation of Planets of San Marino County, what have you.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby barracuda » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:30 pm

Yet another "blow" against the En Doubleyou Oh.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:47 pm

barracuda wrote:Yet another "blow" against the En Doubleyou Oh.


Huh? Referent? Cocaine?!
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:54 pm

DrEvil wrote:
conniption wrote:So who are you guys going to talk to once you have cowed your discussion board participants through bullying and intimidation?


I didn't know that refuting obvious bullshit (like Rodia) was the same as bullying and intimidation.
But you're right - it's legally protected stupidity, so all we can do is moan and bitch and point out that what you're saying is stupid.


Actually, the only legal protections set limits on the government censoring speech. There are no limits to message boards doing so. Which makes conniption's conniptions all the more ridiculous, in light of the fact that there have been no limits to what s-he can say on this board. Apparently incapable of interpreting response and disagreement with its bullshit as anything other than "censorship."
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby lupercal » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:09 pm

Wombaticus Rex wrote:This is fundamentally an anonymous discussion board for complicated and controversial subjects.

That said, we have very damn clear prohibitions and rules of conduct. None of them have been violated by the opinions and discussion that I have seen in relation to this issue. Granted, it's a contentious issue, but on a rules-enforcing level, I don't think the moderators have done *anything* in regards to the Sandy Hook conversation, as well as the very specific and personal allegations that were floated. In my professional opinion: so fucking what? We've subjected Hunter S. Thompson and yours truly to the same paranoid microscope, and life goes on.

(Don't mistake me for the cool party counselor at camp, though. I've got files on all of you.)


Thanks for clarifying that Wombat. Good to know. Also, welcome conniption, your contributions are interesting additions to the conversation we're trying to have here.

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Postby DrEvil » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:27 pm

JackRiddler wrote: ...membership in the United Furry Cosplay Federation of Planets of San Marino County, what have you.


Oi! That's not supposed to be public knowledge!

And yeah - disagreeing doesn't equal censorship, and the 1st amendment doesn't apply here.
Those two simple facts seem to be really hard for some people to grasp.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby lupercal » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:37 pm

barracuda wrote:People all over the web have moved to preemptively indemnify themselves. . . .

For a guy publicly charged with purloining copper tubing from a construction site Mr Rodia has an awfully proactive PR team working on his behalf. How do you imagine he affords all that astroturf?

barracuda wrote:Even Scott Creighton (for god's sake) has stepped back:

So now you're relying on a blogger you spent four pages excoriating to make your feeble point!? And incidentally not even Creighton buys the load of bollocks you're selling. In the same post he adds:
I will not erase the Chris Rodia thread I created before as other sites have done. I will post this update on the thread immediately so that people coming to view it will see this new information and they can come to their own conclusions.


Furthermore, f the Rodia connection were so easily debunked, it would have been, but obviously hasn't been. Creighton again:
As another reader pointed out, releasing the registration of the vehicle would easily put all of this too rest but as of yet, we have no information along those lines.

Naturally the license plate # of the Honda registered to Nancy Lanza is absent from the doc you posted:
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If the Honda Civic identified in the Reuters photo and Sandy Hook police broadcast were the one registered to Nancy Lanza, we would have heard about it, and we haven't. Likewise if the police broadcast posted by Radioman911 had actually been forged or fiddled with in any way, we would have heard about that too. Per the Kordick email posted by Creighton, it wasn't. I listened to it and I can say with 100% bulletproof certitude that police identify the Sandy Hook Honda as registered to Rodia. Not a shadow of doubt, PR exertions notwithstanding.
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Re: Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/1

Postby compared2what? » Wed Jan 30, 2013 9:53 pm

JackRiddler wrote:
Actually, the only legal protections set limits on the government censoring speech. There are no limi Apparently incapable of interpreting response and disagreement with its bullshit as anything other than "censorship."


Well....There was a series of repeated demands for others to stop discussing an aspect of the topic, to be fair. It's just that it was addressed to the censors by the champions-of-free-speech side, not the other way around.
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