"Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby FourthBase » Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:17 pm

barracuda wrote:
FourthBase wrote:I think it's quite possible that -- if it was a hit, which I am convinced it is, but for the sake of discourse I'll refrain from certainty -- the Hitmen Inc. could find some pressure point of hers to scare her into confirming Marshall was solely responsible, even if Marshall wasn't and she knew it. But again, what pressure point?


Some people can be silenced with a thousand dollars, some with simple intimidation, some with the presence of rats. With others, you may have to remove a smallish toe with a pair of bolt cutters. Who knows? There are both carrots and clubs.

It can be done, usually, I would think.


Usually, sure. But I have to think that a mother whose children have been murdered might not give a shit about money, might be immune to intimidation (again, what are they going to do to her, kill her kids?), might not feel that the pain of an amputated toe can compare to the pain of having her children annihilated.

It's another way that the Perps That Be are limited, another avenue of backfire. Not only does killing people to keep something secret potentially draw too attention to the secret, but killing people can also create in their loved ones a desire for revenge stronger than all of the remaining pressure points. Kill a researcher here and there, and it will scare their friends and family into silent paralysis. Kill too many, and the rest might now resign themselves to their mortality and fearlessly come at you for revenge, for self-preservation (ironically), or both.

Again, this is something to rejoice over, if you step to the side for new perspective. Not even the most powerful humans and institutions on earth are exempt from the phenomenon of antifragility, from limits, from us.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby Karmamatterz » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:24 pm

From Fourthbase:

Maybe I'm wrong, but 5 years ago wouldn't this thread be up to 20 or 30 or 40 pages by now? Am I overstating that? Is this just not as big a deal as I think it is? Because, to me, it seems like it should maybe be the most-examined event in RI-board history, that maybe it deserves more attention and internet-sleuthing than all other RI subjects ever combined? Am I wrong? Are more people than I think just assuming that Marshall went nuts and wiped out his kids, his dog, and himself? And if so, would it be because that assumption frees a person from having to confront a most dreadful reality, but one that a person might actually be able to do a tiny little something about, albeit at the possible risk of harm to oneself and/or family? Is it just so much easier and more comfortable to shoot the shit back and forth about other things, things that ask nothing of us personally, like jellyfish and feminism and third-rate theorizing about mass shootings, topics that are relatively safe in their abject hopelessness or subjective abstractness or inconsequential sensationalism?

Or is it just that the board has gradually become kind of dead in general and I've been away too long to have noticed?


If you are going to get serious about this you need to consider taking a few precautions to protect yourself.
A lot of things can be done to safeguard yourself in the event you or others actually hit pay dirt. If your efforts do discover links and you connect enough dots you may draw some unwelcome attention.

Learn how to create unalterable backups of your data. Backup your routers logs as a protection of your computer at home being compromised. Evidence to discredit you could easily be planted on your property. Consider placing well hidden surveillance cameras in/around your property that dump the video feed to a well guarded online storage server. The list could go on about other things...

In no way attempting to discourage you, but go into this eyes wide open, you might piss off the wrong people very easily asking the right questions.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Feb 10, 2013 1:43 pm

...karmamatterz - I would like to discourage you from encouraging people.

Aside from the data backups, most of the advice you posted is wheel-spinning paranoia at best. Nobody here needs to be installing surveillance cameras (after all, Siemens needs your paycheck, folks!) and more to the point, nobody here has any valid countermeasures at their disposal if they were to become actively targeted by Mil/Intel perps. That's a fantasy, and not one that needs to be encouraged in a real world with real consequences.

Security measures need to be evaluated in ROI terms, and the notion that your personal router log records or some CCD footage on your hard drive will be a "smoking gun" protection from FBI frameup is one of the most absurd theories I've seen floated on RI in recent years. Had to call it out.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby FourthBase » Sun Feb 10, 2013 2:19 pm

Karmamatterz wrote:From Fourthbase:

Maybe I'm wrong, but 5 years ago wouldn't this thread be up to 20 or 30 or 40 pages by now? Am I overstating that? Is this just not as big a deal as I think it is? Because, to me, it seems like it should maybe be the most-examined event in RI-board history, that maybe it deserves more attention and internet-sleuthing than all other RI subjects ever combined? Am I wrong? Are more people than I think just assuming that Marshall went nuts and wiped out his kids, his dog, and himself? And if so, would it be because that assumption frees a person from having to confront a most dreadful reality, but one that a person might actually be able to do a tiny little something about, albeit at the possible risk of harm to oneself and/or family? Is it just so much easier and more comfortable to shoot the shit back and forth about other things, things that ask nothing of us personally, like jellyfish and feminism and third-rate theorizing about mass shootings, topics that are relatively safe in their abject hopelessness or subjective abstractness or inconsequential sensationalism?

Or is it just that the board has gradually become kind of dead in general and I've been away too long to have noticed?


If you are going to get serious about this you need to consider taking a few precautions to protect yourself.
A lot of things can be done to safeguard yourself in the event you or others actually hit pay dirt. If your efforts do discover links and you connect enough dots you may draw some unwelcome attention.

Learn how to create unalterable backups of your data. Backup your routers logs as a protection of your computer at home being compromised. Evidence to discredit you could easily be planted on your property. Consider placing well hidden surveillance cameras in/around your property that dump the video feed to a well guarded online storage server. The list could go on about other things...

In no way attempting to discourage you, but go into this eyes wide open, you might piss off the wrong people very easily asking the right questions.


To be honest, I was kind of trembling as I hit submit for some of my posts in this thread, because I wasn't sure if anyone else had ever before made some of the points I was making. Chances are that someone had. Maybe there's even a wikipedia entry devoted to a thoroughly-formed, popular theory of resistance devised in concert by a community of activists that details what I've been saying, far better than I said it. But if it were the case that I was the first to introduce a perspective that might empower people psychologically to fearlessly take on the Sociopath Hierarchy, then it might be hazardous to the well-being of me and my loved ones. And here is the lesson, my stance: I don't give a fuck. There is at least one person here who befriended me on Facebook and a few people here who know my name, and if I die in a car accident or by carbon monoxide poisoning, or if god forbid my family were slaughtered, hopefully that would be noticed and relayed to everyone here, and hopefully the reaction would not be pants-pissing paralysis and withdrawal but rather a truly-self-preserving, death-defying, fearless re-dedication to taking the Not-So-Almighty Motherfuckers down, with a helpful glowing neon sign that flashes an arrow here, this tree.

(Edit: Also, on the less extreme side, if I happened to not want to touch the lethally-electrified fence of Knowing or Saying Too Much, I am related to and friends with a few people who are regarded favorably enough by the military-industrial-complex that they maybe could give me fair warning before I crossed a fatal threshhold in that aforementioned cost-benefit analysis, if it were ever determined by whomever that I'm a threat but not quite worth killing off. Would I venture ahead, anyway, into the zone of killability? If the Marshalls of the world keep being whacked, yeah, why not, what would I ultimately have to lose? But if there are, say, alternate strategies for disarming and dethroning the Sociopathic Mafia, ones in which I don't get thrown from a roof and my family isn't secretly irradiated or whatever, then I would definitely appreciate a head's up and the opportunity to consider alternatives, for a moment. That's probably how all selling-out begins, with that thought process. I would not like to ever know. It's also, shamelessly, an informal disclaimer to any interns at Sociopath, Inc. who may be monitoring this thread, a message to their bosses: I'm unafraid, but if you ever feel the need to off me, just give me a head's up first. K, thx.)

My eyes are open. Shamefully, I don't have the detective skills or technological saavy or bank account to do much or even any meaningful research let alone paydirt-hitting myself. But that's part of the beauty of the internet, of a message board like this. The dangerous research can be crowdsourced, open-source. It's a lot harder to murder, blackmail, intimidate, or discredit 30 or 300 or 3000 people compared to just one. And if a crowd on the internet were growing demoralized by such retribution, the internet allows some strange nobody to remind them all of the upside, of their duty to forge ahead, of the limits of evil, of the inherent weakness of the power structure, of the inherent strength of a crowd of curious, pissed-off outsiders.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby Karmamatterz » Sun Feb 10, 2013 3:55 pm

Wombaticus,

Yup, you're probably right. a determined agency that has resources will do what they're told. Sometimes it's a perception thing and a PR battle, something is better than nothing. If somebody wanted to protect research data better to hide it well with strong encpyption than not at all. I couldn't imagine not watching my back, who wouldn't, if you we're digging into what Marshall was? And is it paranoia if they reallly ARE watching? Maybe Phillip Marshall should have been more paranoid. Or maybe he was tooooo paranoid and that contributed to him snapping.

I never suggested smoking gun protection. Also, surveillance webcams are ridiculously cheap, easy to operate and push footage to a off-site locale. At least if you're offed then a trusted friend could look to if anything was amiss. Seems like this was brought up already in this thread, a possible friend of Marshall's noticed oddities. Most things though can be hacked, nothing or anybody, is truly ever safe, theoretically speaking. IP addresses can be masked or spoofed, your router logs are just a recording, and their encryption can be broken, if the agencies don't already have back doors to firewalls, VPNs and routers

I wonder what you all would think if Anonymous began crowd sourcing this Marshall case and headed up the research?
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby FourthBase » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:08 pm

Karmamatterz wrote:I wonder what you all would think if Anonymous began crowd sourcing this Marshall case and headed up the research?


I think that would be a godsend. Literally, as soon as I hit the submit button, I'm going to get on my knees and pray to whatever gods may be that Anonymous turns their collective eyes toward Philip Marshall.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Feb 10, 2013 4:58 pm

FourthBase wrote:
Karmamatterz wrote:I wonder what you all would think if Anonymous began crowd sourcing this Marshall case and headed up the research?


I think that would be a godsend. Literally, as soon as I hit the submit button, I'm going to get on my knees and pray to whatever gods may be that Anonymous turns their collective eyes toward Philip Marshall.


I doubt it. Have they even lent their cause to Bradley Manning?

to me it's a test of a true real liberal or activist: those who oppose drones, support Bradley Manning and are at least open to unanswered questions swirling sept 11th.

Btw didnt Indira Singh out in Mass. do the Hopsicker thing and did a literal detective work type thing regarding 9/11? I remember on 4ACloserLook with Michael Corbin in 2005 she had a long interview
where she found all these hidden front companies for Saudi/intel al Qaeda connected laundering and tech groups; all linked to the original Al Kifah(WTC 1993), PTECH, Care Intl, Yasin al Qadi and deep state interests.
Like literally she said she was snooping around wherehouses in Braintree and Quincy Mass. and looking up hidden cached pages on websites. Logan Furniture, Bannon Technologies, BMI real estate, Care intl, Ptech, etc?

I truly do feel that tech and import/export front companies from Tatex in Germany to Infocom in Dallas were used around 2000/2001 as cut-outs to support both 9/11 and or other black world(terror, drugs, arms, etc)
efforts.

Btw this is kind of obscure BUT I distinctly remember around 2006/2007 some of the fiercest groups of 9/11 "police" on wikipedia(ie: obsessively round the clock making sure noone was putting up info about Franklin, the Saudi or ISI angle with 9/11, the Russia apartment complex conspiracy, etc)...well when you clicked on their history they all seemed to be connected to the one and only M---ael Aq---no. Like no joke. I showed this to people I had been chatting with on secret 'conspiracy' chats and they couldnt believe it. Its like why would left hand path wankers following that guy be so concerned with policing 9/11 conspiracy wiki edits?

Anyways, for those interested I compiled a modern day "coincidence theorists guide to 9/11" sort of thing that truly goes down the deep web rabbit hole of 9/11 that a lot of Jeff's original (and groundbreaking) piece didnt
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby FourthBase » Sun Feb 10, 2013 7:44 pm

8bitagent wrote:
FourthBase wrote:
Karmamatterz wrote:I wonder what you all would think if Anonymous began crowd sourcing this Marshall case and headed up the research?


I think that would be a godsend. Literally, as soon as I hit the submit button, I'm going to get on my knees and pray to whatever gods may be that Anonymous turns their collective eyes toward Philip Marshall.


I doubt it. Have they even lent their cause to Bradley Manning?

to me it's a test of a true real liberal or activist: those who oppose drones, support Bradley Manning and are at least open to unanswered questions swirling sept 11th.


I don't oppose drones in principle, if it's a legitimate target in a legitimate war. Patterning, however, is a recipe for injustice, knowingly so, and so such drone attacks are essentially murder. Do I pass your test?

Look, I could give a rat's ass about Anonymous's liberal activist cred. Anonymous isn't even a single entity, so it makes no sense to apply singular tests or labels to them. All that's needed is a little faction of the decentralized Anonymous network to take a fierce interest in Marshall. God or gods or no gods willing.

Btw didnt Indira Singh out in Mass. do the Hopsicker thing and did a literal detective work type thing regarding 9/11? I remember on 4ACloserLook with Michael Corbin in 2005 she had a long interview
where she found all these hidden front companies for Saudi/intel al Qaeda connected laundering and tech groups; all linked to the original Al Kifah(WTC 1993), PTECH, Care Intl, Yasin al Qadi and deep state interests.
Like literally she said she was snooping around wherehouses in Braintree and Quincy Mass. and looking up hidden cached pages on websites. Logan Furniture, Bannon Technologies, BMI real estate, Care intl, Ptech, etc?


Not sure if she literally snooped around here like a gumshoe, I don't remember that. What's the relevance to Marshall, any in mind?

I truly do feel that tech and import/export front companies from Tatex in Germany to Infocom in Dallas were used around 2000/2001 as cut-outs to support both 9/11 and or other black world(terror, drugs, arms, etc)
efforts.

Btw this is kind of obscure BUT I distinctly remember around 2006/2007 some of the fiercest groups of 9/11 "police" on wikipedia(ie: obsessively round the clock making sure noone was putting up info about Franklin, the Saudi or ISI angle with 9/11, the Russia apartment complex conspiracy, etc)...well when you clicked on their history they all seemed to be connected to the one and only M---ael Aq---no. Like no joke. I showed this to people I had been chatting with on secret 'conspiracy' chats and they couldnt believe it. Its like why would left hand path wankers following that guy be so concerned with policing 9/11 conspiracy wiki edits?

Anyways, for those interested I compiled a modern day "coincidence theorists guide to 9/11" sort of thing that truly goes down the deep web rabbit hole of 9/11 that a lot of Jeff's original (and groundbreaking) piece didnt
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=35408


Interesting stuff! (By the way, I love the board's new anti-SEO-policy with regard to certain names.) If somebody hadn't bumped that thread, I would have. Might be a good time to bump every major 9/11 thread, lol, if that wouldn't completely screw over the rest of the board's non-inconsequential topics.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby divideandconquer » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:06 pm

8bitagent, Thanks, I'll check out your link.

Does anyone know what happened to Indira Singh? I listened to her interviews a few years ago but haven't come across anything else since that time.

As for Anonymous, I don't trust them at all. I suspect part of their agenda is to force a lock-down of the Internet, considering the way they hack into everything. Actually, when I look back, I can't believe how much things have already changed. Talk about the proverbial frog...
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby justdrew » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:25 pm

From:
http://mkane.gnn.tv/blogs/28154/NOW_DEA ... ael_Corbin

From: over the edge
NOW DEAD: Agent Carnaby, D.C. Madam and Michael Corbin
B28154 / Sun, 4 May 2008 18:04:55 / International

The saga of the D.C. Madam is strange and twisted. It is not just her list of customers that is important, but her websites were run by ISP’s with links to online Euro-kiddie porn.
Sex-slavery and pedophilia are big components of black-ops; bigger than most realize.
The brilliant Indira Singh has popped her head back up from behind the scenes as of late to bring us some stunning information that shows how the D.C. Madam’s websites were linked to Eastern-Euro pedophilia sites through a company that was owned by a high priest Mormon who speaks Russian, German, and other Eastern-Euro languages.

The D.C. Madam is now dead.

***

Indi is now back on the blog-scene after radio host Michael Corbin suddenly died alone on the side of the road in his car. Michael and Indi were close (and if you click on the above source and read it, you will see the explosive D.C. Madam info was uncovered by Indi and shared with Michael via email). She has pulled up some info that shows a possibility of foul play in Michael’s death.

No one is interested.

Not even the usual suspects – Rense, Jones, et al. – have even mentioned Michael’s death. Kind-a-weird. These are the guys who can find conspiracies everywhere, but choose to be dead silent about the strange death of a white male radio host who reports on the same government corruption issues that they (seem to) do. (File that under the “things that make you go hmmmmm” section of your long-term memory).

Michael’s work was not flawless, but much of it was critical. Turns out his encrypted hard drive was/is filled with TONS of critical investigative documents. He was trusted by many researchers who sent him lots of “just in case” files.

Corbin is now dead.

***

Add into all this drama self-proclaimed (and probable) CIA Agent Roland Carnaby. It’s difficult for me to discuss what transpired with Agent Carnaby. The CIA is denying that Carnaby was an agent at all. He was shot by Houston police after a high-speed car chase. The cops claim they didn’t believe Carnaby was showing real CIA ID when he was pulled over and they said he looked “nervous.”

Here are two stories on Carnaby;

One here ( http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hot ... 48085.html )
One here ( http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1096.htm )

One of these reports is mainstream, one is alternative (scroll down after clicking the alternative link to read the May 2nd report). The alternative report links Carnaby to the D.C. Madam. The mainstream report ends with the following paragraph:

(Carnaby’s) Pearland home contains several photos of him taken with local dignitaries, including former U.S. Secretary of State James A. Baker III and Houston Police Chief Harold Hurtt. Both insist they do not know him.

Carnaby is now dead.

***

Indira – watch yourself. You are a brilliant woman who has poked your nose in all the “wrong” places. I care about you and wish you well. It is very possible that you are the best investigator working today – intelligence, morality, intuition, quick learning-curve… you’ve got it all. I learned a lot while working for FTW in these regards and it is clear to me that you have far surpassed my knowledge.

I know for certain Indi is not suicidal. She was “safe” while she was quiet, but the death of her friend has caused her to speak up once again and she may not be safe now. May god watch over you Indira. I admire your courage immensely.

peace eternal
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****************New Indira Singh Interviews***********

From: http://kssz.libsyn.com/index.php?post_y ... t_month=02

http://media.libsyn.com/media/kssz/0702 ... nPart1.mp3

http://media.libsyn.com/media/kssz/0702 ... nPart2.mp3


that's from here:
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby 8bitagent » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:49 pm

FourthBase wrote:I don't oppose drones in principle, if it's a legitimate target in a legitimate war. Patterning, however, is a recipe for injustice, knowingly so, and so such drone attacks are essentially murder. Do I pass your test?

Look, I could give a rat's ass about Anonymous's liberal activist cred. Anonymous isn't even a single entity, so it makes no sense to apply singular tests or labels to them. All that's needed is a little faction of the decentralized Anonymous network to take a fierce interest in Marshall. God or gods or no gods willing.



All I was saying was that if the Reddit armies/Anon/viral activists who focus on random stuff might do better to focus their energies as well on more pressing things(the Reddit army Applebees receipt thing comes to mind)
I was also referencing how I'm glad there are the Scahill/Greenwald/Amy Goodman's/Cornel West's out there compared to the pure social issue leftist who will ignore Bush like war crimes long as Obama is giving a wink and nod to other issues.

As far as the relevance to Marshall wrt Singh; because very few 9/11 researchers did that much legwork. Many just rehashed truther talking points. David Ray Griffin and some of the "structural engineer" power points come to mind.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Feb 10, 2013 8:52 pm

Anonymous cannot be trusted by definition.

Programmers who don't know each other using proxy ISPs (I hope for their sake) come together on a board and debate what to hit. If it's popular, or if it inspires some or even just one of them, "they" do it. This is completely open to being hijacked, and probably has been. "Anonymous" is highly unlikely to have ever been the same set of people more than once. Nevertheless, most of the actions to come out under this name have been pretty cool.

I don't believe any top-level "they" have yet decided to use Anonymous as a false flag front to justify repression, although it is completely open for them to do so. If they did, it would be completely obvious. If they did, a) whatever it was would work, b) it would get 9/11-type attention, c) it would look cartoonishly evil, foreign or ideologically blasphemous to the average American, d) it probably would be cartoonishly evil and involve real death, and e) it would lead back to patsies.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby Karmamatterz » Sun Feb 10, 2013 11:40 pm

It's sorta funny to read that people don't trust Anonymous. I have no reason to trust them, but they seem to have a better sense of justice than the media at times. Makes you wonder who you trust online. I'm shocked any of you trust anybody online, and that includes this board. Or maybe some of you are buds offline and have known each other for a long time.

Trust is hard to come, especially online.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby 82_28 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:05 am

Online is only attitude and "knowing" who you want to bounce shit off of. It's in the knowing. Anonymous is stupid because it is anonymous and superfluous because it knows full well there are any number of nodes which it can be tracked. This shit is a joke.

The fucking only way to be "anonymous" is to seriously limit your connection points of transactions and likely locales. I guess I fucked up today making that donation to this here site, because in a lot of ways I actually did expose shit I didn't want to. Not that I'm worried -- fuck em. But I have always preferred to try and keep everything disconnected. Whatever. It's just goddamn inevitable one way or the other.
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Re: "Big Bamboozle" 9/11 Truth Author And Family Found Dead

Postby divideandconquer » Mon Feb 11, 2013 1:40 am

It appears that Phillip Marshall posted once on Above Top Secret If you go to page 5 of the ATS thread--Two Fmr US Senators File Statements With NY Court Connecting Saudi Arabia With 9/11 Attacks--linked below, look for 767Flyer and that's supposedly him, but who knows...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread814934/pg5

His comment:

The frequency was not a VOR but the LOC (Localizer) Frequency with a shorter range than a VOR--- 767Flyer is Philip Marshall, and I am the author of The Big Bamboozle, False Flag 9/11 and Lakefront Airport. The point is that when I recreated the tactical plan, UA 93 was in prime position to execute the attack on DC when he was 112 miles north, but for some unknown reason, the plane proceeded to 280 miles west and at that point, the LOC frequency--- (that was manually set in by the hijackers) was out of range. My guess is that the 40 minute taxi out at EWR may have caused some confusion or indecision whether to proceed with the plan.
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