How Absurd: 8 Crazy Reactions, Ridiculous Conclusions, and

[Canadian_watcher]

I don't really take any gun threats seriously online, please bear in mind I am a rapper and young man to boot, and having the mouth I do, there's just so much jaw-flappery about these people and their gun threats I can't even.

FWIW, I took Ian's point to be about walking away from the situation, because I watched the video and read the rest of his post and took it as more than a screenshot, but uh....yeah, it's quite a screenshot.

That's why it's been every movie poster since, right?



When things get reported, mod signals get activated on Jeff's roof. Otherwise I let most things slide, "Fuck off." being an exception. Surely we can at least avoid outright ANGYR TXTING our way to another page of posts.

oh sure, yeah. I'm just over sensitive because I'm a non rapper over forty! it's stupid.

[barracuda]

Part of empathy is weighing the benefit versus the cost to people. I think that if this is a faked event - even partly - that it is a greater service to prove that than it is to erroneously 'protect' victims who won't even know that I'm questioning them, and if they do who could easily, neatly and completely defend themselves and get a full and complete apology from me and likely anyone else interested in this topic.

They know. Of fucking course they know. What, do you think the victims here don't have internet access? Christ.

It's like an empathy scale of justice.

This is my scale of justice:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackstone's_formulation

[Canadian_watcher]

What is your methodology for determining the truth or non-truth of answers to those questions? Seriously.

what is yours, other than "I said so." ?

I'm not the one asking those questions, because I don't go on those kinds of moronic fishing expeditions to crowd-source the conspiracy rorschach. You might get any of thousands of possible answers to the questions, but realistically, if you want to know, you'd better talk to an eyewitness - Williams himself would be best,

about that...

The other company that Williams worked for / owned says this as it's pitch:

We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.

We blur the lines as often as possible.

We believe that functionality and aesthetics are not independent,
and that there is always a way to make better better.

With a pioneer’s spirit...we build.

We are Erik Hegre, James Bill, and Christian Williams.

If you have a project that could benefit from a talented trio that involves architecture, building, branding, design or any combination of that….we’d love to hear from you.
We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.
...

Williams is supposedly the boyfriend of Caroline Reinsch. Her boyfriend before him (at the same time? hard to tell) Jonathan Patsavos appears to have worked for John Kerry.

So I don't know, really, if talking to that particular guy would be all that convincing.

here's some investigation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzliij_O-z8

though even he might not know (he was blowed up) - or carefully place each photo of the scene in consecutive time sequence, oriented spatially via camera points-of-view and try to see it as clearly as possible.

so you're saying that maybe this was before the bomb went off or something? Please tell me at what point this photo might be logically placed in the scenario as we understand it.

The questions themselves only exist because they've been repeated by morons across the internet thousands of times, so many time that they no longer have any re;lationship to what happened there, and only make sense if your initial premise is that Christian Williams was involved in performing some nefarious, complicit action while laying on the ground. I do not accept that initial premise. It is a dehumanizing and pathetic place to proceed from without a significant amount of evidence that something he did was actually wrong in the first place. And where is that initial evidence of wrongdoing? Nowhere to be found.

I'd say the answer "this is stupid and you are a moron for even bringing it up" has been repeated across the internet even MORE often than the questions so it's amazing that they still persist. But they do. you think that that means that there are a lot of stupid people, I guess. I think it means that there are a lot of people who aren't zombies.

what do you mean, "where is the initial evidence of wrongdoing?" Like if someone just stood up one night, walked down the street and raped a little child that we'd have to first find out where the initial evidence is? Where's the initial evidence of wrongdoing of 90% of crimes until the wrongdoing happens?

[Canadian_watcher]

Part of empathy is weighing the benefit versus the cost to people. I think that if this is a faked event - even partly - that it is a greater service to prove that than it is to erroneously 'protect' victims who won't even know that I'm questioning them, and if they do who could easily, neatly and completely defend themselves and get a full and complete apology from me and likely anyone else interested in this topic.

They know. Of fucking course they know. What, do you think the victims here don't have internet access? Christ.

well then they ought to pipe up. I would.

[Canadian_watcher]

the Imposter Documentary was extremely, extremely good. Fascinating in its study of the intricacies of human behaviour. Most of all it shows that people resist acting on their true feelings out of fear of causing pain to victims.

here's a review that expands somewhat on the psychological dynamics at play in the film:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/film-news/9786201/The-Imposter-Bart-Layton-You-find-yourself-sucked-in-by-his-twisted-logic.html

“If this was a work of fiction, it would be preposterous,” .......

The big question is how on earth did Bourdin get away with it for so long? Layton says this is at the heart of the film: “It as much about self-deception as it is about deception. We create our own truth, which often suits us better than reality." He pauses, before adding "If you want something badly enough you are capable of convincing yourself that it exists in the face of all evidence to the contrary.”

[barracuda]

The other company that Williams worked for / owned says this as it's pitch:

We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.

We blur the lines as often as possible.

We believe that functionality and aesthetics are not independent,
and that there is always a way to make better better.

With a pioneer’s spirit...we build.

We are Erik Hegre, James Bill, and Christian Williams.

If you have a project that could benefit from a talented trio that involves architecture, building, branding, design or any combination of that….we’d love to hear from you.
We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.
...

They are interior designers, for chrissakes. Did you even look at the portfolio? What the hell is suspicious here?

This is not good, hon.

Williams is supposedly the boyfriend of Caroline Reinsch. Her boyfriend before him (at the same time? hard to tell) Jonathan Patsavos appears to have worked for John Kerry.

So I don't know, really, if talking to that particular guy would be all that convincing.

Because there's six degrees of separation between himself and someone who worked for John Kerry? Who has held public office in Massachusetts since 1983?? And has likely employed thousands of individuals in campaigns, etc.? That's all it takes to dismiss him as a real person for you?

Something's not right with that idea, honey.

here's some investigation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zzliij_O-z8

Oh. Em. Gee.

so you're saying that maybe this was before the bomb went off or something? Please tell me at what point this photo might be logically placed in the scenario as we understand it.

Nonono. That's YOUR job. I'm not going to fritter about trying to prove a negative because you're too fucking lazy to support your baseless assertions with anything substantive, dolly.

what do you mean, "where is the initial evidence of wrongdoing?" Like if someone just stood up one night, walked down the street and raped a little child that we'd have to first find out where the initial evidence is?

Yes, dear. You have to have evidence that a crime was committed, in the case of your example, evidence that a rape happened and that the person you are accusing of the rape had means, motive and opportunity.

What evidence of wrongdoing do you have that you can attach to Christian Williams before proceeding to accuse him of a crime? Do you think he set off a fake bomb? What's the evidence. Apparently you think he... I dunno, was part of a massive conspiracy to fake a bombing by... I dunno, attaching a fake bone prosthesis to Jeff Bauman? I mean, is that it? Then where's the evidence. Because "he looks like he's chillin" ain't it, bubelah.

[compared2what?]

No, the lovely little world in which I watch people like yourself, who claim to be the grown-ups, avoid any responsibility for their glib pronouncements of culpability upon people they have no interest in, no compassion or empathy for and about whom they have nothing valuable to relate. The world of narcissistic suburban Toronto housewives cum internet detectives.

Hey c2w - have you anything to say about the dehumanizing currently in progress with an actual person that you know, or are you just going to sit there and pretend it isn't happening?

It's unabashedly mean and personally insulting to the point of frankly undisguised contempt. But it's not that unusual for you guys address each other that way. So I was just going to sit here under the innocent impression that I wasn't pretending something wasn't happening that was.

....

I don't like that "housewives." But I wouldn't say it was dehumanizing. And I do sometimes say worse, myself, though not often. I'm not entirely comfortable with being the usage arbiter here, is I guess what I'm saying. It's unearned.

Is there something I'm overlooking?


.

[barracuda]

Part of empathy is weighing the benefit versus the cost to people. I think that if this is a faked event - even partly - that it is a greater service to prove that than it is to erroneously 'protect' victims who won't even know that I'm questioning them, and if they do who could easily, neatly and completely defend themselves and get a full and complete apology from me and likely anyone else interested in this topic.

They know. Of fucking course they know. What, do you think the victims here don't have internet access? Christ.

well then they ought to pipe up. I would.

The sheer sense of massive entitlement is just staggering.

[stickdog99]

The thing I can't grok about MacGowan and all the fucking "Total Fakery" people of all stripes is their bizarre level of certainty.

OK, it does seem a bit strange that the legless Bauman is transported upright in a wheelchair rather than on a stretcher, at least to me.

This picture also strikes me as mighty strange:



As does this picture, which MacGowan claims was taken after the above picture:



Don't let go of that flag, Carlos!

It's also a little strange that everybody is ignoring the guy with no legs in this and a couple of other pictures:



But that is the sum total of MacGowan's myriad observations (over 4 links) now that I find persuasive. I do not see what he sees in the other photographs. Or to be more precise, I have no fucking clue what makes him so damn certain about any of his other suspicions, or for that matter, even the suspicions I have listed above as relatively legitimate.

[Canadian_watcher]

The other company that Williams worked for / owned says this as it's pitch:

We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.

We blur the lines as often as possible.

We believe that functionality and aesthetics are not independent,
and that there is always a way to make better better.

With a pioneer’s spirit...we build.

We are Erik Hegre, James Bill, and Christian Williams.

If you have a project that could benefit from a talented trio that involves architecture, building, branding, design or any combination of that….we’d love to hear from you.
We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.
...

They are interior designers, for chrissakes. Did you even look at the portfolio? What the hell is suspicious here?

lol, yeah. And casinos make all their money off of the dinner shows.

Williams is supposedly the boyfriend of Caroline Reinsch. Her boyfriend before him (at the same time? hard to tell) Jonathan Patsavos appears to have worked for John Kerry.

So I don't know, really, if talking to that particular guy would be all that convincing.

Nonono. That's YOUR job. I'm not going to fritter about trying to prove a negative because you're too fucking lazy to support your baseless assertions with anything substantive, dolly.

I'm not asking you to prove a thing so pack that b.b.gun back in its holster, shooter.

what do you mean, "where is the initial evidence of wrongdoing?" Like if someone just stood up one night, walked down the street and raped a little child that we'd have to first find out where the initial evidence is?

Yes, dear. You have to have evidence that a crime was committed, in the case of your example, evidence that a rape happened and that the person you are accusing of the rape had means, motive and opportunity.

but it isn't a crime to impersonate a victim, saggybum, especially not if you're on the side of the government the whole entire time.

What evidence of wrongdoing do you have that you can attach to Christian Williams before proceeding to accuse him of a crime? Do you think he set off a fake bomb?

ummmmmmm, no. I personally believe that he might have seen an opportunity to make a shitload of money creating images of a bomb scene as part of a contract for who knows? (and that's the BIG BIG questions here). I'm not even saying that he had the foggiest clue of what those photos would be used for, but I do think that he was involved. Nobody gets almost blown to bits, then helps out a catastrophic double amputee amidst a pool of blood and guts and then just lays back on an elbow with his shades on in the middle of the sidewalk. Especially not one who isn't covered in blood. Especially not right before having to allegedly spend . what?.. 3 weeks in the hospital, which is longer than the double amputee did?

[Canadian_watcher]

No, the lovely little world in which I watch people like yourself, who claim to be the grown-ups, avoid any responsibility for their glib pronouncements of culpability upon people they have no interest in, no compassion or empathy for and about whom they have nothing valuable to relate. The world of narcissistic suburban Toronto housewives cum internet detectives.

Hey c2w - have you anything to say about the dehumanizing currently in progress with an actual person that you know, or are you just going to sit there and pretend it isn't happening?

It's unabashedly mean and personally insulting to the point of frankly undisguised contempt. But it's not that unusual for you guys address each other that way. So I was just going to sit here under the innocent impression that I wasn't pretending something wasn't happening that was.

....

I don't like that "housewives." But I wouldn't say it was dehumanizing. And I do sometimes say worse, myself, though not often. I'm not entirely comfortable with being the usage arbiter here, is I guess what I'm saying. It's unearned.

Is there something I'm overlooking?


.

no, that's about it. thank you.

[Canadian_watcher]

Part of empathy is weighing the benefit versus the cost to people. I think that if this is a faked event - even partly - that it is a greater service to prove that than it is to erroneously 'protect' victims who won't even know that I'm questioning them, and if they do who could easily, neatly and completely defend themselves and get a full and complete apology from me and likely anyone else interested in this topic.

They know. Of fucking course they know. What, do you think the victims here don't have internet access? Christ.

well then they ought to pipe up. I would.

The sheer sense of massive entitlement is just staggering.

I'm probably not off base to assume that you haven't been a victim in a terrorist attack, right? neither have I.
But I have been a victim of other sorts of attacks, and I've had to defend my mere existence in more than one of those circumstances. And I'm talking physical assaults here, not internet bullshit in case you're thinking that that 's what I'm alluding to.

It isn't pleasant, but you know what I learned? I can prove things by being open and honest. It didn't hurt to prove the things. What hurt was when I'd offer myself up and people would find ways around it. That did hurt. Those people were just jerks.

People of all political stripes love to bash 'entitlement' huh? Like I'm not entitled to the truth or something.
Well maybe one day they'll convince you or your kids that you're not entitled to any pay for your labour. it's all in your head, darling, and I'm sure there will be a line up of people to tell you that you're a fucking selfish asshole for asking to be reimbursed for the time you spent enriching your master. if that day were to come I'd fight for you.

[compared2what?]

no, that's about it. thank you.

Okay. Good. Because there is some subjectivity involved. I mean, don't take this the wrong way. But it's worth bearing in mind that you asked the same person to whom you addressed that "Last one ever, Miss Thing" post. Which, as you know, I don't like, but also don't receive as abusive, although there are other, less flagrantly hostile things that I do. Water under the bridge, though. It's not always cut-and-dried, is my point.

[Canadian_watcher]

kay, gotta go pray for three hours then hit the hay. in the morning I'm going to sacrifice a goat and then go into town see if I can find me some virgins (they're the only ones who really know how to grow good vegetables these days).

night night

[barracuda]

The other company that Williams worked for / owned says this as it's pitch:

We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.

We blur the lines as often as possible.

We believe that functionality and aesthetics are not independent,
and that there is always a way to make better better.

With a pioneer’s spirit...we build.

We are Erik Hegre, James Bill, and Christian Williams.

If you have a project that could benefit from a talented trio that involves architecture, building, branding, design or any combination of that….we’d love to hear from you.
We are The Makers Co.

We are independently skilled in more than enough.
...

They are interior designers, for chrissakes. Did you even look at the portfolio? What the hell is suspicious here?

lol, yeah. And casinos make all their money off of the dinner shows.

Williams is supposedly the boyfriend of Caroline Reinsch. Her boyfriend before him (at the same time? hard to tell) Jonathan Patsavos appears to have worked for John Kerry.

So I don't know, really, if talking to that particular guy would be all that convincing.

Nonono. That's YOUR job. I'm not going to fritter about trying to prove a negative because you're too fucking lazy to support your baseless assertions with anything substantive, dolly.

I'm not asking you to prove a thing so pack that b.b.gun back in its holster, shooter.

^^^Quoted for teh lulz of total incomprehensibility.

what do you mean, "where is the initial evidence of wrongdoing?" Like if someone just stood up one night, walked down the street and raped a little child that we'd have to first find out where the initial evidence is?

Yes, dear. You have to have evidence that a crime was committed, in the case of your example, evidence that a rape happened and that the person you are accusing of the rape had means, motive and opportunity.

but it isn't a crime to impersonate a victim, saggybum, especially not if you're on the side of the government the whole entire time.

If I'm deciphering you correctly, you are saying his crime is, firstly, impersonating a victim. Okay, headway. What's the evidence? Go ahead and lay it out, methodically. And then...

What evidence of wrongdoing do you have that you can attach to Christian Williams before proceeding to accuse him of a crime? Do you think he set off a fake bomb?

ummmmmmm, no. I personally believe that he might have seen an opportunity to make a shitload of money creating images of a bomb scene as part of a contract for who knows? (and that's the BIG BIG questions here). I'm not even saying that he had the foggiest clue of what those photos would be used for, but I do think that he was involved. Nobody gets almost blown to bits, then helps out a catastrophic double amputee amidst a pool of blood and guts and then just lays back on an elbow with his shades on in the middle of the sidewalk. Especially not one who isn't covered in blood. Especially not right before having to allegedly spend . what?.. 3 weeks in the hospital, which is longer than the double amputee did?

...you're now saying that he art-directed the fake double-shoot of the bomb photographs. Amirite? Okay: what's the evidence that there even was a second shoot? You've got all these pictures and stuff, produce some evidence. Lay it out for us. Then some more evidence which ties Williams to that evidence. Otherwise, it's just total crazytalk.