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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby brekin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:35 pm

On second thought. You guys are right. I shouldn't think so much and just chill. It's just a show after all right? I mean wtf, it's not like books, plays, novels or films have ever changed anything in history right? It's not like they are capable of influencing millions and millions of people simultaneously on matters they don't normally consider. I should just mellow out. I mean elite pedo networks are just a standard television trope these days. Kind of like two single guys having to raise a kid. Why weeze on a good ritual killing party for the mind?

Yeah buddy, why have such high expectations for television? I mean it's not like a mini-series has ever influenced policy or confronted the American public in any meaningful way or changed their values or exposed taboo subjects, well besides *The Day After, *Roots, *Rich Man Poor Man, *Captains and the Kings, and *The Band Played On.
But bro, those are just flukes, why be harshing on the status quo when you can give them controversial material in slushy form? Oh man, I forget to mention The Wire, to.

Dude, but like just think about this instead, time is a flat circle. I know, killer, huh?

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*The Day After
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_After

The Day After is a 1983 American television film that aired on November 20, 1983, on the ABC television network. It was seen by more than 100 million people during its initial broadcast.[1] The film postulates a fictional war between NATO forces and the Warsaw Pact that rapidly escalates into a full-scale nuclear exchange between the United States and the Soviet Union. However, the action itself focuses on the residents of Lawrence, Kansas, and Kansas City, Missouri, as well as several family farms situated next to nuclear missile silos.
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On its original broadcast (Sunday, November 20, 1983), ABC and local TV affiliates opened 1-800 hotlines with counselors standing by. There were no commercial breaks after the nuclear attack. ABC then aired a live debate, hosted by Nightline's Ted Koppel, featuring the scientist Carl Sagan, former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Elie Wiesel, former Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara, General Brent Scowcroft and conservative commentator William F. Buckley, Jr.. Sagan argued against nuclear proliferation, while Buckley promoted the concept of nuclear deterrence. Sagan described the arms race in the following terms: "Imagine a room awash in gasoline, and there are two implacable enemies in that room. One of them has nine thousand matches, the other seven thousand matches. Each of them is concerned about who's ahead, who's stronger."

One psychotherapist counseled viewers at Shawnee Mission East High School in the Kansas City suburbs, and 1,000 others held candles at a peace vigil in Penn Valley Park. A discussion group called Let Lawrence Live was formed by the English Department at the university and dozens from the Humanities Department gathered on the campus in front of the Memorial Campanile and lit candles in a peace vigil. At Baker University, a private school in Baldwin City, Kansas, roughly 10 miles south of Lawrence, a number of students drove around the city, looking at sites depicted in the film as having been destroyed.

Children's entertainer Mr. Rogers also dedicated five episodes of his television program (entitled the "Conflict" series) to comfort and talk to young children who had seen the movie on television.Critics tended to claim the film was either sensationalizing nuclear war or that it was too tame.[4] The special effects and realistic portrayal of nuclear war received praise. The film received twelve Emmy nominations and won two Emmy awards. It is the only film that has ever received the rating "way above average" in Leonard Maltin's Movie Guide.

Nearly 100 million Americans watched The Day After on its first broadcast, a record audience for a made-for-TV movie. Producers Sales Organization released the film theatrically around the world, in the Eastern Bloc, China, North Korea and Cuba (this international version contained six minutes of footage not in the telecast edition). Since commercials are not sold in these markets, Producers Sales Organization lost an undisclosed sum of money. Years later this international version was released to tape by Embassy Home Entertainment (Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer now holds the video rights in the US).
Commentator Ben Stein, critical of the movie's message (i.e. that the strategy of Mutual Assured Destruction would lead to a war), wrote in the Los Angeles Herald-Examiner what life might be like in an America under Soviet occupation. Stein's idea was eventually dramatized in the miniseries Amerika, also broadcast by ABC.

The New York Post accused Meyer of being a traitor, writing, "Why is Nicholas Meyer doing Yuri Andropov's work for him?"[5] Phyllis Schlafly declared that "This film was made by people who want to disarm the country, and who are willing to make a $7 million contribution to that cause".[5] Much press comment focused on the unanswered question in the film of who started the war.[5]
Effects on policymakers

President Ronald Reagan watched the film several days before its screening, on November 5, 1983.[5] He wrote in his diary that the film was "very effective and left me greatly depressed,"[5] and that it changed his mind on the prevailing policy on a "nuclear war".[6] The film was also screened for the Joint Chiefs of Staff. A government advisor who attended the screening, a friend of Meyer's, told him "If you wanted to draw blood, you did it. Those guys sat there like they were turned to stone."[5] Four years later, the Intermediate-Range Nuclear Forces Treaty was signed and in Reagan's memoirs he drew a direct line from the film to the signing.[5] Reagan later sent Meyer a telegram after the summit, saying, "Don't think your movie didn't have any part of this, because it did."[2] In a 2010 interview, Meyer said that this was a myth, and that the sentiment stemmed from a friend's letter to Meyer; he suggested the story had origins in editing notes received from the White House during the production, which "...may have been a joke, but it wouldn't surprise me, him being an old Hollywood guy."[5]

The film also had impact outside the U.S. In 1987, during the era of Mikhail Gorbachev's glasnost and perestroika reforms, the film was shown on Soviet television. Four years earlier, Georgia Rep. Elliott Levitas and 91 co-sponsors introduced a resolution in the U.S. House of Representatives "[expressing] the sense of the Congress that the American Broadcasting Company, the Department of State, and the U.S. Information Agency should work to have the television movie The Day After aired to the Soviet public."[7]


Roots

Roots is a television miniseries in the USA based on Alex Haley's 1976 novel, entitled Roots: The Saga of an American Family; the series first aired, on ABC-TV, in 1977. Roots received 37 Emmy Award nominations and won nine. It won also a Golden Globe and a Peabody Award.[1] It received unprecedented Nielsen ratings for the finale, which still holds a record as the third-highest-rated US television program.[2][3] It was produced on a budget of $6.6 million.[4][5] Ratings and viewers
The miniseries was watched by an estimated 130[14][15][16] and 140[17][18] million viewers total and averaged a 44.9 rating[17] 66% share[17] of the audience. The final episode was watched by 100 million viewers and an average of 80 million viewers watched each of the last seven episodes.[6] Eighty-five percent of all television homes saw all or part of the mini-series.[6] All episodes rank within the top 100 rated TV shows of all time.[19]


http://www.pbs.org/black-culture/shows/ ... n-america/
The iconic miniseries Roots became the most watched TV series in US history when it was first aired in 1977. It candidly revealed a side of slavery that we never saw on national TV before.


*Rich Man Poor Man
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rich_Man,_ ... iseries%29

Rich Man, Poor Man is a 1976 American television miniseries that aired on ABC in one or two hour episodes mostly on Monday nights over seven weeks, beginning February 1. It was produced by Universal Television and was the second time programming of this nature had been attempted. The first TV miniseries, QB VII, had aired — also on ABC — in 1974. These projects proved to be a critical and ratings success and were the forerunner for similar projects based on literary works, such as Roots. The film stars Peter Strauss, Nick Nolte and Susan Blakely.
Based on the best-selling 1970 novel by Irwin Shaw, it spanned the period from 1945 through the late 1960s and followed the divergent career courses of the impoverished German immigrant Jordache brothers. Rudy (Peter Strauss) was the rich man of the title, a well-educated and very ambitious entrepreneur who triumphed over his background and constructed a corporate and political empire. Poor man Tom (Nick Nolte) was a rebel who eventually turned to boxing to support himself. Axel and Mary were their parents, and Julie Prescott was Rudy's lifelong sweetheart who eventually married him.


*Captains and the Kings
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Captains_and_the_Kings

Captains and the Kings is a 1972 historical novel by Taylor Caldwell chronicling the rise to wealth and power of an Irish immigrant, Joseph Francis Xavier Armagh, who arrives penniless as a teenager in the United States. An inter-generational saga focusing on the themes of the American dream, discrimination and bigotry in American life, and of history as made by a cabal of the rich and powerful, it was one of the top 10 best-sellers of 1972, as ranked by The New York Times Best Seller list. Caldwell drew heavily on aspects of the Kennedy family, John D. Rockefeller and Howard Hughes.
The book was adapted into an eight-part television miniseries by NBC in the 1976 broadcast season, starring Richard Jordan, Charles Durning, Blair Brown, David Huffman, Patty Duke and a star-laden supporting cast. Duke won an Emmy Award for her performance. Jordan won a Golden Globe award and an Emmy nomination for his performance. Durning was nominated for both an Emmy and a Golden Globe. Beverly D'Angelo made her debut. Cinematographer Ric Waite won his only Emmy Award for his work on the miniseries.[1]


*And the Band Played On
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/And_the_Ba ... %28film%29

And the Band Played On is a 1993 American television film docudrama directed by Roger Spottiswoode. The teleplay by Arnold Schulman is based on the best-selling 1987 non-fiction book And the Band Played On: Politics, People, and the AIDS Epidemic by Randy Shilts.
Plot: In a prologue set in 1976, American epidemiologist Don Francis arrives in a village on the banks of the Ebola River in Zaire and discovers many of the residents and the doctor working with them have died from a mysterious illness later identified as Ebola hemorrhagic fever. It is his first exposure to such an epidemic, and the images of the dead he helps cremate will haunt him when he later becomes involved with HIV and AIDS research at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

In 1981, Francis becomes aware of a growing number of deaths from unexplained sources among gay men in Los Angeles, New York City and San Francisco, and is prompted to begin an in-depth investigation of the possible causes. Working with no money, limited space, and outdated equipment, he comes in contact with politicians, numerous members of the medical community (many of whom resent his involvement because of their personal agendas), and gay activists. Of the latter, some such as Bill Kraus support him, while others express resentment at what they see as unwanted interference in their lifestyles, especially in his attempts to close the local bathhouses. While Francis pursues his theory that AIDS is caused by a sexually transmitted virus on the model of feline leukemia, he finds his efforts are stonewalled by the CDC, which is loath to prove the disease is transmitted through blood, and competing French and American scientists, particularly Dr. Robert Gallo. These medical researchers squabble about who should receive credit for discovering the virus. Meanwhile, the death toll climbs rapidly.

Most reviewers agreed that the filmmakers had a daunting task in adapting Shilts' massive, fact-filled text into a dramatically coherent film. Many critics praised the results. Film review website Rotten Tomatoes gives the film a 100% "Fresh" rating based on eight reviews.[1]
In his review in Variety, Tony Scott said, "If there are lapses, director Spottiswoode's engrossing, powerful work still accomplishes its mission: Shilts' book, with all its shock, sorrow and anger, has been transferred decisively to the screen."[2] John O'Connor of The New York Times agreed that the adaptation "adds up to tough and uncommonly courageous television. Excessive tinkering has left the pacing of the film sluggish in spots, but the story is never less than compelling."[3] And Time magazine said that "Shilts' prodigiously researched 600-page book has been boiled down to a fact-filled, dramatically coherent, occasionally moving 2 hours and 20 minutes. At a time when most made-for-TV movies have gone tabloid crazy, here is a rare one that tackles a big subject, raises the right issues, fights the good fight."[4]

Produced despite heavy misgivings in the film industry. When film star Richard Gere accepted a small role, he broke the taboos - at grave risk to his career - about both the subject and major film stars taking small parts in TV productions. Subsequently Steve Martin, Alan Alda, Phil Collins and Anjelica Huston were willing to appear.

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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:20 pm

"That ain't the kind of world we live in."

Brekin, just so we're clear, my mockery does not stem from "True Detective is just a show, chill" -- it stems from my amused bewilderment that you appear to have watched a completely different cut from what I saw.

I feel like a lot of your critiques must stem from not paying attention to the show.

What you're saying you wanted from this show, was discussed onscreen by the characters. I know this because I watched it.

I am really baffled by your stance, and consider this a brave piece of art that is having a huge impact.

The press coverage for next big pedo ring story -- and it's only a matter of f'ing time -- will be different.

That won't be entirely because of a TV show on HBO, of course, but...it ain't nothin.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby brekin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:14 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Mar 13, 2014 2:20 pm wrote:"That ain't the kind of world we live in."

Brekin, just so we're clear, my mockery does not stem from "True Detective is just a show, chill" -- it stems from my amused bewilderment that you appear to have watched a completely different cut from what I saw.
I feel like a lot of your critiques must stem from not paying attention to the show.
What you're saying you wanted from this show, was discussed onscreen by the characters. I know this because I watched it.
I am really baffled by your stance, and consider this a brave piece of art that is having a huge impact.
The press coverage for next big pedo ring story -- and it's only a matter of f'ing time -- will be different.
That won't be entirely because of a TV show on HBO, of course, but...it ain't nothin.


I watched a show that started to investigate a large vast network of abusers/killers from societies elite who have operated for a long time (possibly generations) with the assistance and insulation of the power structure--and then pulled out to pin it on the lone lumpen proletariat hatchet man--. Further they mystified something of great importance by adding a supernatural element that ultimately 1. went nowhere 2. diminished the actual killings 3. and romanticized the perpetrators more than a little (having possible secrets to time and space). Sure there was a lot of hand wringing about not continuing, but that just makes it worse, because it really only operated to cool out the audience and readjust expectations back down to the mediocre. They basically said, all that conspiracy/occult shit we been feeding you, well sure that shit probably leads somewhere but its just too darn complicated and time consuming for us two guys. But shit, we're still cop heroes because we killed the pig man and look how fucked up we are in our hospital gowns. Sure it was a mission impossible, but they never really got out of the van. The Wire started to go after the big fish, and also were unsuccessful, but they connected the dots, showcased the main people and put their pictures on the wall, they explained to the audience how it works. True Detective never explained who was involved or how it works, because it went nowhere. It was really just one long Scooby Doo episode.

I don't see anything brave about True Detective. Initially, I thought it ballsy they were taking on such material. But they ultimately didn't serve the material, they used it to make a modern day tabloid pulp out of it. I think True Detective is actually harmful because it will just muddy the next big pedo ring story. People aren't going to think Belgian Detroux, Franklin Scandal, Saville, New Jersey Home, B.C. Pig Farm, etc when they hear the next story. There going to think, oh like True Detective, The Yellow King, Carcosa, Antlers, Time Whorls, satanic arts and craft thing a bobbies, time travel, serial killing swamp rats who have distant senator relatives, etc You could have retrofitted True Detective to be a season of True Blood, and it really would have had the same effect.

They weren't true detectives, they were mystifying quitters. Sure I liked the style, dialogue, character development, etc but I can watch The Walking Dead to get my fix for that stuff. But if you are going to handle the dynamite you better blow up some bridges with it, not lock it back up in the cabinet. I don't see the show as ground breaking at all, but conservative of the status quo and reinforcing (probably unintentionally) of the current propaganda. As Jacques Ellul said: The goal of modern propaganda is no longer to transform opinion but to arouse an active and mythical belief.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:20 pm

barracuda » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:30 pm wrote:I have to admit being a bit disappointed that an HBO buddy-cop mini-series didn't actually turn out to be the vehicle by which the millennias-old conspiracy of the ruling occult pedoligarchy would finally be exposed. What a let-down.

Oh well.

Now I'm looking forward to season three - I heard it's going to be a thinly veiled dramatization of the Babalon Working with a Jennifer Lawrence cameo as Sara Northrup. If they film it just right, I expect the Scarlett Woman to actually manifest herself within the lives of all legitimately subscribing viewers. And Emmys… Emmys for everyone.


This kind of coldblooded fishy-eyed party-pooping EVIL CYNICISM is something the RI board has been sadly missing recently. (Barracuda's return goes some way towards filling the gap left by JackRiddler, who was never a really convincing Bad Guy).

Last week I saw the first four episodes of TD at a special binge-showing in a bookshop here. By the time those four hours were up, the main tension for me was in wondering whether Matthew McConaughey's voice would last the course. (Did it?)

The cgi hokiness was not a good development. (Is it ever a good sign? How kitschy is this going to look in a decade or so?):

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Shit! The crows are in on it too!.

(By the way, what was the last US TV show not to feature pole-dancers-in-a-bar? I Love Lucy?)

Sure there were some good points. McConaughey and Harrelson are both very strong actors, I think. Some of the dialogue was witty (brilliant, even), especially in the first couple of episodes. Louisiana was very atmospherically photographed, and it was good to see somewhere other than LA or NYC on TV. And it is a rare delight these days to be spared that senselessly shaky fake-verité camera.

But other than that? To me, it looked increasingly like standard teevee fare. Tough guys, Bad Guys, titties, guns, and a slow drip of misanthropy.

Also, Wiki confirms:

Louisiana's population has the sixth largest proportion of black Americans (28% according to 2010 census) in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Louisiana


So where were they all? The only ones I saw in the first four episodes were the two silent interviewers raising their eyebrows incessantly at McConaughey and Harrelson, and the as-good-as-silent extras functioning as cannon-fodder in that shoot-out in the drug den. Did any of them get to speak up in the later episodes?

I know, I know, I haven't seen the whole series. Maybe I'm doing it an injustice. I'll probably watch the concluding four episodes tomorrow night.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby 0_0 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:27 pm

Did any of them get to speak up in the later episodes?


One of them got to say "you speak in riddles to me white man" or soemthing in the last episode.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:43 pm

brekin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:14 pm wrote:People aren't going to think Belgian Detroux, Franklin Scandal, Saville, New Jersey Home, B.C. Pig Farm, etc when they hear the next story.


People have never thought that. I now suspect the real issue is just that you're posting from an alternate universe.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:48 pm

0_0 » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:27 pm wrote:
Did any of them get to speak up in the later episodes?


One of them got to say "you speak in riddles to me white man" or soemthing in the last episode.


Well, he would, wouldn't he? I mean, how are they possibly gonna understand the profound existential agony of the burdened white crusader? There is Nameless Evil out there, and it's not just killing white women, it's tying deers' antlers to their heads, ffs.
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the circle will be endless

Postby IanEye » Thu Mar 13, 2014 5:26 pm

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There is a lot I don't like about Bryan Adams, but he was a part of the "Conspiracy of Hope" tour.
Who knows who went to see that show only to check out Adams live and then learned something about torture in Latin America?

I think some people are putting goals on True Detective that the creators never intended to achieve. It's not like the producers of "Conspiracy of Hope" ran footage of torture and imprisonment behind the Hooters the whole time they were performing "And We Danced".

I immediately thought of Ponchatoula when I was watching the first episode of TD and found a link about the Hosanna Church to post on facebook. I only know about that case because of RI and got no immediate response, but a couple of episodes in one of my friends wrote me and basically said, "I though you were nuts for posting that but i love the show, I just read an article and you are right! They did get inspiration from that case".

I tend to give credit to those who plant seeds.

John Chapman would start a nursery of apple trees but then move on to another area to start anew. He didn't see each and every one of the orchards he planted through to its fruition.




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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby brekin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:48 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:43 pm wrote:
brekin » Thu Mar 13, 2014 3:14 pm wrote:People aren't going to think Belgian Detroux, Franklin Scandal, Saville, New Jersey Home, B.C. Pig Farm, etc when they hear the next story.


People have never thought that. I now suspect the real issue is just that you're posting from an alternate universe.


They've never thought that because the topic (vast elite pedo networks) hasn't been disseminated to the mass public entertainment wise or otherwise with much plausibility.
True Detective was a chance to introduce it into the mainstream in a semi-credible way -- which they botched.

But, you are right.

I am posting from an alternative universe.

Follow me.

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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby FourthBase » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:17 pm

Again, I have seen 0.00% of the show, but brekin still seems right.
How are they not mystifying quitters?
It's fiction: Anything was possible.
We got...fruitless fatalism.
Is this not so?

Awareness is one thing.
Oblique non-awareness, preparation to become aware in the future, is another.
Nothing required them to choose the latter, they were not forced to be vague.
They were completely free to rip more literally from real-life rings...
Or were they...? Maybe not?

There's that recurring tension between taboo-truth-hipping and what's-possible-to-bring-up-in-mainstream-entertainment. If it's a series on HBO, chances are it was never going to bring much up. This show did "go there", did vaguely bring up a lot -- but as brekin says, and I'm agreeing based on what I've read: Why couldn't the creators have done their Wire-level best? They didn't. They skirted dark realities, for titillation and edification...not for enlightenment. This show was no trailblazer in any sense besides being the rare show to "go there", because to blaze a trail requires going through there, not just peeking for a moment like a rubber-necker at shadows.

I tend to give credit to those who plant seeds.

John Chapman would start a nursery of apple trees but then move on to another area to start anew. He didn't see each and every one of the orchards he planted through to its fruition.


Funny I was just thinking of how much like a subterranean network of tree roots all of your IanEye Specials taken together are, with all the embedded links that I'm sure most people never remember to open. You are the Johnny Appleseed of RI, no doubt.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Thu Mar 13, 2014 9:42 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Mar 13, 2014 4:20 pm wrote:
barracuda » Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:30 pm wrote:I have to admit being a bit disappointed that an HBO buddy-cop mini-series didn't actually turn out to be the vehicle by which the millennias-old conspiracy of the ruling occult pedoligarchy would finally be exposed. What a let-down.

Oh well.

Now I'm looking forward to season three - I heard it's going to be a thinly veiled dramatization of the Babalon Working with a Jennifer Lawrence cameo as Sara Northrup. If they film it just right, I expect the Scarlett Woman to actually manifest herself within the lives of all legitimately subscribing viewers. And Emmys… Emmys for everyone.


This kind of coldblooded fishy-eyed party-pooping EVIL CYNICISM is something the RI board has been sadly missing recently. (Barracuda's return goes some way towards filling the gap left by JackRiddler, who was never a really convincing Bad Guy).

Last week I saw the first four episodes of TD at a special binge-showing in a bookshop here. By the time those four hours were up, the main tension for me was in wondering whether Matthew McConaughey's voice would last the course. (Did it?)

The cgi hokiness was not a good development. (Is it ever a good sign? How kitschy is this going to look in a decade or so?):

Image
Shit! The crows are in on it too!.

(By the way, what was the last US TV show not to feature pole-dancers-in-a-bar? I Love Lucy?)

Sure there were some good points. McConaughey and Harrelson are both very strong actors, I think. Some of the dialogue was witty (brilliant, even), especially in the first couple of episodes. Louisiana was very atmospherically photographed, and it was good to see somewhere other than LA or NYC on TV. And it is a rare delight these days to be spared that senselessly shaky fake-verité camera.

But other than that? To me, it looked increasingly like standard teevee fare. Tough guys, Bad Guys, titties, guns, and a slow drip of misanthropy.

Also, Wiki confirms:

Louisiana's population has the sixth largest proportion of black Americans (28% according to 2010 census) in the United States.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Louisiana


So where were they all? The only ones I saw in the first four episodes were the two silent interviewers raising their eyebrows incessantly at McConaughey and Harrelson, and the as-good-as-silent extras functioning as cannon-fodder in that shoot-out in the drug den. Did any of them get to speak up in the later episodes?

I know, I know, I haven't seen the whole series. Maybe I'm doing it an injustice. I'll probably watch the concluding four episodes tomorrow night.


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Thanks for the heads up, I almost enjoyed something that didnt have enough black people for a second there.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby justdrew » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:11 pm

I thought the black representation in the police department changed significantly from '95 to present day.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby Zombie Glenn Beck » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:17 pm

justdrew » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:11 pm wrote:I thought the black representation in the police department changed significantly from '95 to present day.


It did if I remember correctly. Still, we have to be hyper-vigilant against any potential stealth racism.
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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby FourthBase » Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:23 pm

Here's the real zeitgeist re: True Detective interpretation, i.e., this is more or less the most sophisticated and clued-in that 99% of True Detective fans get. You, dear RI neighbor, will not be impressed. Shit, I think brekin might get physically ill from the inevitable waves of contempt. Consciousness of the real-life referents hasn't been raised, it's been gawked at with a fucking TV clicker in hand. Fuck, most of the probably very, very few fans of TD who did think to dive into the true truth, who wound up researching Hosanna, Franklin, Dutroux, etc.? They were only familiarizing themselves with reality in order to better understand the show in order to find it as entertaining as possible, and that's still all it means or ever will mean to most of them, if TD is as real and as deep as it gets. Luckily, it's not.

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Feel Let Down by the ‘True Detective’ Finale? Start Asking the Right Questions

TV
MARCH 12, 2014
by MOLLY LAMBERT

There’s too much of a focus on endings in narrative fiction. People expect movies to climax in the third act with a big set piece, for books to wrap everything up in the last chapter and make some grand statement, for a TV show’s finale to be the best episode of all. True Detective laid a trance on viewers that was broken when the final episode’s credits rolled. With no more mystery to unravel, no more clues to parse or insane Internet theories left to populate the space between Sunday nights, viewers had to make peace with the idea that the long, strange trip was over. (At least for now, until there’s a director’s cut Blu-ray with deleted scenes from this season, or better yet, an official casting announcement about the next.)

The season finale answered all of TD’s looming questions, but some fans, having already opened so many mental doors into labyrinthine passages, were loath to see most of them get shut behind them. Fan speculation about who the show’s big bad would be led down some semi-plausible avenues (Marty’s father-in-law is the Yellow King!) and some sillier ones (the Yellow King is Maggie!). A lot of fan theories centered on the idea that Marty’s daughter Audrey would be directly implicated in the Carcosa cult’s misdeeds, even after the seventh episode revealed that she had grown up just fine. I was a little horrified by how many online comments were versions of “What a rip-off that Marty’s daughter didn’t get abused by the cult!”

Some of the red herrings that fan theorists seized on weren’t even intentional, according to TD’s director, Cary Fukunaga, but that was one of the show’s many pleasures. Because of its content and themes, it easily lent itself to Room 237–style wild speculation, fueled by its many “clues.” It’s easy enough to make up your own True Detective theory. Just combine the fact that Maggie wore a shirt with white six-pointed stars in Episode 7 with Rust exclaiming “L’chaim, fat ass!” at the sheriff in the last and you’ve got a perfectly good bunk theory about True Detective’s secret relationship to Jewish mysticism. I thought the theories were fun, and I also never put too much stock in them, because a work of art that can’t surprise me is no good. In the end I was totally surprised and satisfied by how True Detective wrapped up. But as much as I looked forward to the finale, I was already dreading getting cut off from the fizzy anticipation I felt each week while waiting for a new episode. A great mystery is about creating lots of possibilities and then slowly whittling them down to one. By Episode 4 of TD, it felt like everyone had started watching the show and they were excitedly communicating about it through social media. The midpoint was the show’s climax, in that it was the moment when the most possibilities hung in the air, when every new discussion about it seemed electric. To be a fan of the show was to submit to its hypnotic spell and find that you were surrounded by others.

A small but very vocal group of angry Audrey truthers aside, the finale delivered on all levels, unwinding the long tail of the Dora Lange murder and taking us to Carcosa while demonstrating what a lot of the show’s fans have known all along: It’s really about Marty Hart and Rust Cohle. Some viewers immediately started speculating that Rust and Marty died in the cave and the subsequent action was a dream, particularly Rust’s epiphany. But True D is not and has never been a fantasy show, despite its weird fiction embellishments. It takes place in reality, no matter how many freaky space holes open up at key points. True Detective is a show about how real-life trauma has a ripple effect, where damaged people damage other people. No tentacle monsters are needed to frighten the viewer, just a good hard look at how a broken system protects the abuse of power by the very powerful and crushes everyone else underfoot, an issue examined through fiction on virtually all of the prestigious cable dramas in some way. Even accent-affecting, flowers-making, hatchet-wielding Errol Childress is a poor pawn in the game of sex sacrifice chess. This doesn’t mean that Errol isn’t accountable for his actions, but there’s always a larger structure at work. If you were raised in an incestuous bayou pagan sex cult, who knows what kind of person you’d turn out to be?

True D took on some of the biggest false dichotomies — light and dark, man and woman, science and mysticism — and split them open to show their true, layered nature. With its circular structure and multi-tiered narrative, it filled in more character detail and world-building than a lot of shows manage to have in several seasons. Does the social media echo chamber affect how we watch shows? Instant access to platforms for viewing and commenting is fairly new, but it’s transformed the way people consume shows. I was an X-Files nerd and spent a lot of time reading Angelfire sites that archived all the data related to the show’s mythology and conspiracies. It was a slightly more primitive version of today’s obsessive frame-by-frame parsing. If True Detective didn’t peak at the very end, it was because it peaked every week. Each new episode enabled a new perspective on the ones that came before it. I found myself watching each episode several times, often going back to watch previous episodes and finding that each episode shed new light on all the prior ones.

The idea that there is a hidden layer of meaning underneath the obvious layer of meaning is seductive, particularly for True Detective, in which Rust’s hallucinations seem to give him a deeper read of the natural universe. There’s nothing wrong with a little LOSTing, as long as you don’t expect all (or any) of your theories to come true. True D sustained its creepy tone of excitement and dread over eight weeks — eight weeks in which we got to reread H.P. Lovecraft stories, learn about The Yellow King, and investigate the folk traditions of coastal Louisiana. The show’s Louisiana location was just as responsible for its success as the writing, directing, and acting. I wondered why Carcosa seemed so distinctly eerie, and found out it’s because they shot it at the ruins of the 19th-century Confederate base Fort Macomb. The past is embedded in the present, as if they were occurring simultaneously, and there’s nothing like a dilapidated Civil War–era site to remind us that America is so not different from any other fallen civilization whose relics and scars have been dusted over by the mist of time. You could not create a spookier Southern faux-Minoan labyrinth than one that actually exists.

True Detective felt less like a traditional TV show or a movie and more like a musical form repeating its themes in concentric circles and patterns, specifically a fugue. It established the major themes in the first episode, and then played them in different keys. Always the same song, but it sounded different every time. The macro problems, like the state not keeping track of hundreds of missing children, related intimately to the more micro problems, like how Marty ignored his own daughters. As a treatise on modern masculinity, it was far from holding the pitch-black cynical view it originally seemed to endorse. In the end, True Detective pointed toward redemption. For all its talk about the endless cycles of evil in the ether, it ultimately offered up the possibility that the circle can be broken. All it takes is self-awareness, the desire to change, and maybe a little bit of Carcosian comet pixie dust. Maybe we were just in a psychotropic fugue state induced by the show, but that seems like a pretty beautiful, well-rounded ending to me. L’chaim indeed, True Detective.


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Re: True Detective on HBO

Postby brekin » Fri Mar 14, 2014 3:07 am

Feel Let Down by the ‘True Detective’ Finale? Start Asking the Right Questions
TV
MARCH 12, 2014
by MOLLY LAMBERT
There’s too much of a focus on endings in narrative fiction. People expect movies to climax in the third act with a big set piece, for books to wrap everything up in the last chapter and make some grand statement, for a TV show’s finale to be the best episode of all. True Detective laid a trance on viewers that was broken when the final episode’s credits rolled. With no more mystery to unravel, no more clues to parse or insane Internet theories left to populate the space between Sunday nights, viewers had to make peace with the idea that the long, strange trip was over. (At least for now, until there’s a director’s cut Blu-ray with deleted scenes from this season, or better yet, an official casting announcement about the next.)


Your right this is making me physically ill. I actually have to step a way because I don't want to invest more time in this than I have already. Is this a parody of a thesis about True Detective? Whatever happened to finishing the job? What is the difference between failure of vision, shoddy workmanship and just plain sucking and playing the post modern card of fractured, indefinite titillation? People expect good endings with narrative fiction because the mediums they are encapsulated within, books, films, etc HAVE beginnings, middles and ends. The ending is the last sequence that refers back to everything we have experienced. It is a finite experience. It will end. The trance will always be broken. The question is were we enlightened or just doped? Does this lady really want us to start asking the right questions or just submit to the hypnotic spell of continually binge-watching True Detective over and over again until time really becomes a flat circle for us?

The whole essay is laughable. This is the level she's at: There's too much of a focus of roofs in housing construction. People expect houses to have some type of large A-frame roof that covers everything in the houses interior and provide some type of grand protection for the house overall from the elements.

She reminds me of a room mate I once had. She was into the Grateful Dead and we were talking about the Dead and I told her that honestly I just couldn't get into the music. It didn't do it for me. She said she felt the same way for a long time, but you get over that if you listen to them enough. I'm sure, much like smoking, you then think is of some artistic value, and makes you cooler, deep and philosophical. Like the Grateful Dead and smoking, True Detective probably makes sense the more you do it as it becomes an experience you are less critical about.

I don't understand, though, how this Inception-esque combination of slick cinematography combined with pseudo philosophic plot clutter is becoming so popular. Great narrative fiction takes complex matters and simplifies them in dramatic form. Bad narrative fiction often takes simple matters and unnecessarily complicates them. Usually in an attempt to "create" a sense of depth, psychology and meaning. When the depth, psychology and meaning are already there if you honor the source material instead of seeking to pimp it for stylistic purposes. That is what True Detective did really. It prolonged, mystified and saturated a pretty basic movie length story into four movies worth of psychedelic satanic and Americana grunge eye candy, paranormal non-sequitors, camp fire talks over beers about secret societies and psycho-babbling car rides down roads to nowhere. I make no claims to be a great arm chair detective but I thought Childress was suspect in the beginning because he had knowledge about the school's history and was a contract employee of some sort. I mean I thought they should have at least found out who was paying him to keep up the school, or if any of his other contracts were with any of the other closed Tuttle schools just for better background information about the schools. Cohle admits he dropped the ball with him early on. If he didn't, the show really would have run its natural course of 2 hours and spared everyone the expectations that this was going to have a more epic, ground breaking scope than the formulaic and non-controversial arc it fizzled out with.

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