Women of the world, take over

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Keeping men and women misunderstanding each other is a National inSecurity project.

I like that Hugh. Much truth in that statement.

Heck, keeping humans from understanding humans is a goal of scientific fascism.
Or else we'd figure out we're designed by evolution to create and nurture life.

So...
Men are encouraged to see women as fickle scheming man-traps.
Women are encouraged to see men as dogs.

[populistindependent]

Heck, keeping humans from understanding humans is a goal of scientific fascism.

Or else we'd figure out we're designed by evolution to create and nurture life.

Another gem. Thanks. You are on a roll today.

[theeKultleeder]

Like President General Ike.
Like Andy Griffith as the peace officer of Mayberry.
This is why Disney was all Fred McMurray all the time for ages.
And why Walter Cronkite ran the country.
And why Sheriff Raygun was used to quell Vietnam Syndrome.
And why Dubya was given that stupid line about being "the decider."

etc.

This has some bite to it. "Father Knows Best" - uh-huh. I agree with the prima facie evidence.

"Leave it to Beaver" - social programming on a roll.

Hell, Hugh, before I even came across youse I realized Disney was doing morality/family programming with "Home Improvement" - showing people how to live.


Just don't tell me "The Beverly Hillbillies" was a psy-op; they still crack me up!

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

Just don't tell me "The Beverly Hillbillies" was a psy-op; they still crack me up!

When urban vs rural attitudes highlighted differences in education and...oh, ok. I'll let you enjoy Ellie Mae for a little while longer.

[theeKultleeder]

Just don't tell me "The Beverly Hillbillies" was a psy-op; they still crack me up!

When urban vs rural attitudes highlighted differences in education and...oh, ok. I'll let you enjoy Ellie Mae for a little while longer.

AND Jethro...

Don't forget context. Sometimes the symbols and attitudes invoked in mass media are just the result of a common culture.

Of course, you see the feedback loops, but sometimes you just have to enjoy the historical curiosities of what normal people actually thought to be consensus reality.

Like in those great old Tom & Jerry cartoons, with the quality artwork and musical scoring, and the genuinely funny gags. In many episodes there is a black woman dressed as a maid. The voice over actor gave her a slightly comical African American accent, but it wasn't over the top or demeaning. However, sometime in the 90's they dubbed over them to eliminate the racial stereotype.

Winston Smith working at the MiniTru would have been proud.

[AlanStrangis]

Jumping in kind of late... but I think John and others who are disagreeing (to different degrees) with FB's fundamental idea are raising good points.

Premise - "women are THE key..."
Counter argument - "PEOPLE are the key"

Okay, then women are the key within the key.

We are each a piece of the puzzle, and our value to that puzzle based on our individual efforts, not our gender. I don't see how women hold special significance... well I'll admit that many of my most inspirational moments were because of a particular woman at a particular time, but in the grand scheme of things, no.

Now PEOPLE being the key to change I can agree with, because when I think of the women who have had political power in Western democrazies (esp. N. America), I think their track record is maybe marginally better than men.

Again, most of the women who've had major political power in the West belong to a whole 'nother subset of characteristics; they are exceptions; they are power elite first women second.

And this applies to the vast majority of men who seek power in the west as well. If the majority of women who get such power are similarly corrupt, we can infer that power corrupts women, just as it does men, because they too are merely human.

That and that Nemo's comment about women, SUVs and Walmart strikes me as anecdotally accurate. Out of the few people I know who own SUVs (as primary or 2 car familes), it was the woman who wanted it in every case, to which the man was opposed. I know this because in each case it was stated outright (after I mocked them for buying earth killers in a friendly manner). When it comes to social consciousness, women and men are about tied, from my experience....

Anyhow...

Even if women are the "force behind SUV purchases" and a large portion of them support the Republican party and on and on, you're talking about the consequence of social conditioning, marketing, consumer mentality. What I have been talking about is their nature, beneath all that.

And men aren't constantly barraged with similar social conditioning? The nature beneath it all is for each individual to discover (or not), man or woman.

A number of pages earlier AlicetheKurious said (amongst other things)...

Behold the world that violence has made.

It's an increasingly ugly, dangerous world, and we are rational enough to notice that our own extinction is looming ever closer. As violence begets violence, the wheel is spinning faster and faster as we become more technologically advanced.

The question is therefore: in order to save ourselves from hurtling towards our own annihilation, is it possible to eliminate violence as the main factor in human evolution? If so, how?

That's the start to an interesting tangent about HOW to realize non-violent revolution, and putting one sex ahead of the other, minimizing the INDIVIDUAL contribution strikes me as divisive, sexist and counter productive.

The thrust of my original premise isn't that men are bad, or women are great. It's that women are more moral than men. It's a comparative premise. I'm saying the odds are better with women.

Saying women are MORE moral is equivalent to saying men are LESS moral, and I disagree with that. Morality isn't a gender trait. I've seen the best and the worst from both sexes. Saying women are more moral creates a schism where one doesn't exist in nature (IMHO anyways).

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There is also, however, the absolutely unique power that women possess reproductively, which cannot be minimized. Although, I guess enlightened men could try to be more selective with their mating choices... -- maybe it's just me, but I think man's treshhold for upholding principles in the face of hot sex is magnitudes lower. So I don't trust men to do it. And again, I think women are generally more moral.

And I've known some pretty unselective women.... ah memories of wasted youth.

I totally disagree that one sex is better able to withstand the corruption of power, or has a more reinforced moral/ethical foundation. My life experience, and observations says exactly the opposite.

Because ultimately, I'm all for a non-violent revolution, and I'm not QUITE cynical enough yet to think it impossible.

Here here! That's a great idea for a thread.

There was one recently that was in that vein, though it was more about survival and politics than an actual revolution... a "examples and ideas for peaceful revolution" thread WOULD be good...

PS: but if someone is up for some pitchforks and torches to storm the castle, I'll not only pencil it in, but blog about it, and set up an event in Facebook.

Eh. Maybe if we outnumbered them a thousand-fold.

And for that thread I'd recommend "The Anarchists Cookbook". Boy that was fun when I was a teenager...

Damn... caught in the violent male stereotype...

[AlanStrangis]

Heck, keeping humans from understanding humans is a goal of scientific fascism.

Or else we'd figure out we're designed by evolution to create and nurture life.

Another gem. Thanks. You are on a roll today.

Agreed... it deserves to be enlarged, along with the inSecurity State one.

[IanEye]

Max Baer Jr. [aka Jethro] dated Sharon Tate

He is one of those "Right Wing" actors like Bob Crane who enjoyed the Free Love aspects of the late '60s and is rumored to have amassed quite a pile of raunchy home movies ala Mr. Crane

Baer apparently was much more savvy with his money however, and was never reduced to doing dinner theater as Crane was.

Crane also starred in two really bad Disney movies "Superdad" and "Gus", which I will leave Mr. Wins to deconstruct for us......

[John E. Nemo]

True stories from the "gender wars".

At an ex-girlfriends' father's house...
His wife has to show us her new mink fur coat.
She is vegan, just like we (me, my ex, her dad and another guest) all are.
We are all horrified and let her know, with my ex being the most boisterous.
Her response:
"I know it's wrong, but I always wanted one and that's that."

The customer sevice department where I work.....

The customer sevice department where I work was originally all-female.
Every conversation that I overheard in there was man bashing.
It was the "2 Minute Hate" everyday and I'm not exaggerating.

All 6 females workers and 2 female managers, were fired for becoming unhinged with customers, over a 6 month period.

The department is now managed by a male and 4 out of the 6 workers are male.

Funny thing is that the big boss originally would ONLY hire females, as he believed that men would become too aggressive on the phone.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

"Oil that is..." heh heh. Yup.

Poverty in America, lottery thinking, urban vs rural agit-prop, all contemporary issues processed with stereotypes and laugh-track-assisted catharsis.

Children are imprinted with their gender stereotypes from cartoons at a very young age.
Remember how Bugs Bunny would dress up in drag with lipstick and stop the armed pursuit of Elmer Fudd who'd go all bashful and vulnerable only to get hammered by Bugs?

From the mind of a middle-aged animator straight in the mind of your toddler.

Crane also starred in two really bad Disney movies "Superdad" and "Gus", which I will leave Mr. Wins to deconstruct for us......

Interesting, IanEye. Looking into those....

Stereotypes and counterpropaganda for kids.
Gender and fascism.
CIA media.
Disney is the nexus and template for others.

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

True stories from the "gender wars".

You are obviously thoughtful on this topic, J.E.N., even though you're frustrated and managed to irritate some, not hard to do when getting serious on a board.

Distress is almost always a sign that something important needs looking at.

I find anecdotes very useful for illustrating a generalization but not for actually deriving that generalization. I almost shared one of mine but just deleted it after writing it.

So I'll repeat:
Gender is our primary social identity and this is known and exploited by the psy-ops beaurocracy whose job it is to keep us confused and frustrated so we'll take it out on sanctioned targets.

[theeKultleeder]

From the mind of a middle-aged animator straight in the mind of your toddler.

Hugh, how the hell else does culture begin to grow in the tabula rasas of toddlers? We can't quarantine them from social reality. We do need to impart wisdom in addition to cultural/media messages.

I believe it's called parenting

[FourthBase]

From the mind of a middle-aged animator straight in the mind of your toddler.

Creepy.

Hugh, how the hell else does culture begin to grow in the tabula rasas of toddlers? We can't quarantine them from social reality. We do need to impart wisdom in addition to cultural/media messages.

I believe it's called parenting

What's creepy is the daily almost hourly deluge of "entertainment" created by god-knows-who paid for by big business that gets pumped into a toddler's consciousness. Quarantine them from that? Hell yeah. Ever better: Innoculate them against it, against even being contaminated by their media-addicted friends. It's a completely modern phenomenon, the frequency and instensity of the deluge anyway. What was there before? Radio? Meh, weak in comparison. And what was before radio? Books. Even weaker. And what was before books...

People underestimate how different the world was only about 100 years ago.

[John E. Nemo]

True stories from the "gender wars".

You are obviously thoughtful on this topic, J.E.N., even though you're frustrated and managed to irritate some, not hard to do when getting serious on a board.

Distress is almost always a sign that something important needs looking at.

I find anecdotes very useful for illustrating a generalization but not for actually deriving that generalization. I almost shared one of mine but just deleted it after writing it.

So I'll repeat:
Gender is our primary social identity and this is known and exploited by the psy-ops beaurocracy whose job it is to keep us confused and frustrated so we'll take it out on sanctioned targets.

I agree with your assessment of how the PTBs use these issues to divide us.

I hear lots of these fairy tales from my friend's girlfriends and it always amuses me.
It's too bad that BS like this is being taught as fact in schools (Thank you Rockefeller).

The one that really annoys me is the whole "Golden Age Of Women" myth, wherein womyn ruled an idyllic paradise until men showed up and ruined it.
This is also taught as fact, despite there being no archeological evidence to support these fables.
Just more pretty lies to divide us.

I suggest this book for anyone who wants to learn the truth.
It's a real eye-opener.


http://www.warrenfarrell.org/TheBook/index.html

MYTH. Women are more likely than men to be victims of violence.

FACT. Men are twice as likely to be victims of violent crimes and three times more likely to be victims of murder. P.32

• US Census Bureau: Women who are heads of households have a net worth 141% that of male heads of households. P.32

• Women control consumer spending by a wide margin in virtually every consumer category. P.33

• Women's control over spending gives women control over TV programs. P.33

• As every woman has a primary role in the "female-dominated" family structure; few men have a primary role in the "male-dominated" governmental and religious structures. P.35

• Prohibition against divorce gave women security in their workplace (the home). Nothing gave men security in their workplace. P.36

• Women have the right to raise a child without the father knowing he even has a child, and can sue him for retroactive child support even 10 to 20 years later. P.36

• The average man works 61 hours per week, the average woman 56; add in housework-- husbands did 53% of the total work, wives 47%. P.37

[Hugh Manatee Wins]

OMG.

Mr. Nemo, note that the CIA-Washington Post is promoting Farrell.
Take that as a warning sign.

Farrell and Paglia are both tools of gender agit-prop.
Paglia writes that rape is not the end of the world, get over it and quit listening to those who tell you that your a victim.

Notice how mixed a message this is. Many raped women are traumatized by wondering if they were somehow responsible for the attack.

Farrell and Paglia both leave out sooooo much to promote a mirror one-sided position.
And that makes them perfect agit-prop tools to be promoted by the CIA's culture war experts.