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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby jakell » Sat Apr 05, 2014 5:00 pm

semper occultus » Sat Apr 05, 2014 8:48 pm wrote:
Wanted: Scottish spies. Pinstripe suit optional

If Scotland becomes independent, will its intelligence service be home-grown or MI5 'illegals' operating out of a UK embassy?

Kevin McKenna

The Observer, Saturday 5 April 2014 18.30 BST


From an unremarkable property in a dishevelled neighbourhood not far from Glasgow city centre, some spooks of MI5 operate, searching for ripples in Britain's northern approaches. Their permanent presence in Scotland, if not their actual residence, isn't a secret known only to an anointed handful. After all, why wouldn't there be some surveillance operations based in Scotland's busiest city and one of the UK's most turbulent? They have been there for 10 years or so, but whether they remain following a yes vote in September's referendum is at the heart of one of the most vexed and intriguing issues surrounding the independence debate.

There are several nuances in Scotland's political, social and economic landscape that will always separate it from London and the south-east of England. Occasionally, these have required special scrutiny from Britain's intelligence forces, such as the fallout and aftermath of the terror attack on Glasgow airport in 2007.

Scotland's politics in the last 50 years have adopted a permanently reddish hue and the city by the Clyde can justly lay claim to being in the vanguard of early 20th-century radicalism. In another time less than a century ago, tanks appeared in Glasgow's George Square as the British establishment became twitchy at the prospect of a general strike and the danger of Russia exporting its revolution. A statue of La Pasionaria, the republican leader in the Spanish Civil War honouring Scottish radical volunteers who fell in the conflict, stands not far from the MI5 building.

What, though, will be the status of MI5 spies and operatives in an independent Scotland? Will they have to become "illegals" operating under a flag of convenience from a future UK embassy in Scotland? Or will they, in the fond imaginations of the SNP, be welcome here as a crucial part of an independent Scotland's future intelligence arrangements?

An assortment of UK ministers has said that an independent Scotland will be cut off from the UK's world-class intelligence-gathering operation, leaving us naked and vulnerable in an era of geopolitical uncertainty and strife. The home secretary, Theresa May, has repeatedly slapped down SNP claims that, post-independence, Scotland will remain part of the UK's intelligence network simply because of the mutual interest in maintaining the security of the British coastline. Not so, says May. "If Scotland is separate it becomes a separate state. So it is not the same as sharing intelligence across the UK," she said earlier this year.

If an independent Scotland does have to develop its own intelligence network, it will lead to one of the most intriguing questions in the independence debate. Who will pose the biggest threat to the physical and economic security of the state?

The two nations whose activities must concern it most are likely to be England and the USA. One of the characteristics of an independent Scotland most trumpeted by nationalists is that it will be eternally left wing in governance and outlook. What if an independent Scotland were to shift more radically to the left and London, perhaps in a Ukip-influenced coalition, moved inexorably to the extreme right? Therein lie the seeds of mutual distrust and suspicion. In such circumstances, though, Scotland would enjoy a spying advantage.

There are dozens of Scots in the British intelligence community and in the diplomatic corps, some of whom, almost certainly, will harbour nationalist sentiments. They could become tartan double agents "sleeping" within England's agencies but supplying secrets to the motherland as and when their conscience dictates.

The Americans, meanwhile, have for years been alarmed at the behaviour of this disputatious and cussed little land. They were outraged in 2009 when Kenny MacAskill, Scotland's justice minister, released Abdelbaset al-Megrahi, the Lockerbie bomber.

As the rise of the SNP in Scottish politics has gathered pace, so the unease of the Americans has grown. Here, before their very eyes, is the emergence of their worst nightmare: a European Cuba right in the middle of the Nato zone. This is a country that doesn't want their nukes, whose two main political parties make the US Democrats look like Ukip and whose leader seems to have a troubling fascination with China. You can be sure that American spies are highly active in Scotland and will remain so following an independence vote. Perhaps Alex Salmond should soon deploy the services of a cigar tester.

The home secretary's warnings may simply be dismissed as the same sort of phoney rhetoric in which her colleague George Osborne has been indulging over currency union. Perhaps not, though. Will an independent Scotland deploy double agents at the heart of the English establishment, expert in knowing how to dress for dinner and able to differentiate between a grouse and a partridge at 100 metres? Will they be able to guard against replying: "Aye, no' bad" to the seemingly innocent query: "How's it gaun?" designed to out a Jock sleeper? If a future expansionist England ruled by a reactionary coalition of Ukip and traditional Tories decides it wants to take back Scotland, will we have to beware pasty-faced and chinless men in Savile Row pinstripes furtively reading the FT in a station and who want their kedgeree done with freshly flaked cod and a poached egg on top?

The SNP, though, appears not to have attached any great importance to the development of a mature and self-sustaining intelligence network. In the negotiations following a yes vote, it risks being unprepared in negotiations over defence and intelligence. If it insists on merely using Whitehall's security apparatus, Scotland's independence begins to look compromised.

If Scotland is to have a mature intelligence service, then Alex Salmond must surely already have initiated a series of meetings with a confidential group looking at all scenarios. Does a blueprint exist outlining the infrastructure for an independent intelligence apparatus? Has anything been costed? Just as crucially, have any specialist academics, key undercover operatives and even sleepers been tapped on the shoulder and invited for a quiet word?

If none of this has yet occurred and the SNP is seeking simply to piggy-back on the intelligence services of the country it is so desperate to leave, it will look like a sell-out to many of its own supporters.
Interesting to see how UKIP have replaced the BNP as the 'nasty party' in pieces such as this.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby DrEvil » Tue Apr 08, 2014 9:24 am

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Scottish independence would weaken UK's global status, says ex-Nato chief

Lord Robertson says yes vote would boost west's enemies and 'forces of darkness' and embolden dictators across the world

Lord Robertson, the former defence secretary and Nato chief, has claimed that Scottish independence would have a "cataclysmic" effect on European and global stability by undermining the UK on the world stage.

The Labour peer told an audience in the US that a yes vote would give succour to separatist movements across Europe, risk destabilising Northern Ireland and embolden dictators and "annexers" around the world.

In the most aggressive and pessimistic speech yet by a senior figure in the no campaign, Robertson claimed that many Scottish voters were unaware that their decision in September's referendum had implications far beyond the UK.

He said the breakup of the UK would weaken its global status, and a yes vote would leave the UK government embroiled in a complex internal dispute about the terms of Scottish independence just at the time its "solidity and cool nerves" was needed on the world stage.

A former secretary general of Nato, Robertson said the "loudest cheers" after a yes vote would come from the west's enemies and other "forces of darkness".

"What could possibly justify giving the dictators, the persecutors, the oppressors, the annexers, the aggressors and the adventurers across the planet the biggest pre-Christmas present of their lives by tearing the United Kingdom apart?" Robertson told the Brookings Institute on Monday.

"I fear from time to time that we Scots are living in a veritable bubble in this debate and outside of that increasingly fractious bubble, we're losing sight of the fact that our decision on the 18 September will have much wider and bigger implications that any of us yet grasp."

The Scottish government dismissed Robertson's speech, which was intended in part to pressurise President Obama's administration to say publicly it opposes independence, as "crass and offensive" scaremongering.

"It is disappointing but not surprising that Lord Robertson fails to recognise any of that in this crass and offensive speech that has absolutely nothing positive to say," said a spokesman for Alex Salmond, the first minister.

Nicola Sturgeon, Scotland's deputy first minister, said she was shocked. Speaking on BBC Radio Scotland, she said Robertson was a well-known hardliner on nationalism, but she added that the language he used "does a real disservice to the debate".

Talking about "forces of darkness" and being "cataclysmic" to western stability "completely moves away from any semblance of rational debate and I think many people, whether they're yes or no, will find these comments insulting and offensive".

Robertson said a Scottish yes vote could provoke further disintegration in Europe. It would embolden separatists in Catalonia, who plan a referendum in November, and terrorist groups in the Basque region of Spain, who have recently renounced violence. It could also lead to Belgium splitting apart with Flemish nationalists pressing to break away.

"So I contend that it is far from scaremongering to use the term Balkanisation to predict what might happen if Scotland were to break from its 300-year-old union," he said.

"The fragmentation of Europe starting on the centenary of the first world war would be both an irony and a tragedy with incalculable consequences."

Robertson's speech came as Alex Salmond began a weeklong visit to the US to promote a yes vote and Scottish business interests. The first minister has announced a series of US investments in Scotland, and made a speech on Scotland's energy potential.

Salmond also told an American audience earlier this week that a written constitution for an independent Scotland would draw heavily on the US constitution, a document itself influenced by Scots emigres.

Scotland would be a full and "constructive" member of Nato, Salmond said, even as it insisted on the UK's nuclear weapons being withdrawn. An independent Scotland would also strive to work with the UN and the EU to promote global peace.

"For most countries, greatness can only come from influence, not force; from soft, not hard power; from enlightened self-interest, not self-interest alone. It will come from their people, their values, their reputation and their ideas," he told an audience at Glasgow Caledonian university's New York campus.

Salmond's spokesman said the referendum – which has been endorsed and authorised by the UK parliament, was a model for a free democratic vote.

"Scotland can and will make a hugely positive contribution to the world as an independent country – and our referendum is a model of democracy, which was cited as such only last month by the US secretary of state [John Kerry]," he said.

Kerry said the Scottish referendum was a model for legally sanctioned self-determination against the aggressive annexation of Crimea by Russia, when he gave evidence to the House foreign affairs committee in Washington in March.

Robertson, the first defence secretary in Tony Blair's Labour government in 1997, is famous among Scottish independence campaigners for predicting in 1995 that devolution of some powers to a new Scottish parliament would kill nationalism "stone dead". In fact, it has allowed the SNP to win a majority government and hold the independence referendum.

Robertson said comparisons by Scots nationalists of their cause with the US wars of independence were "tortured" and "facile", since Scotland was not a colony but a vibrant, wealthy and successful partner within the UK.

"It is not oppressed. It's not discriminated against. It isn't disadvantaged," Robertson said. "Indeed, it's the second most prosperous part of United Kingdom outside of London and the south-east of England. And that's largely because we are part of the United Kingdom. We are not persecuted.

"Scots are prominent, some would say dominant, at every level of British life. We speak the same language; we enjoy the same currency; the same central bank; the same regulatory system; the same public service broadcast; and much, much more.

"And at the same time as all of that, we have in Scotland a legislative parliament which has full powers on health, education, transport, the legal system, local administration, agriculture, land, tourism and practically every other domestic field. We have, indeed, as Scots, got the best of both worlds."


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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby MacCruiskeen » Tue Apr 08, 2014 6:07 pm

Scottish independence would weaken UK's global status, says ex-Nato chief

Lord Robertson says yes vote would boost west's enemies and 'forces of darkness' and embolden dictators across the world


A New Labour, NATO and "private enterprise" fatcat endeavouring to scare the plebs? Quelle surprise. A peer of the British realm in favour of the status quo? Say it ain't so!

Lord Barrel of Lard wrote:that increasingly fractious bubble


Fractious bubble? Shurely shome mishtake.

Lord Barrel of Lard wrote:the forces of darkness would simply love it


Forces of darkness my arse. No wonder the No campaign is known as "Project Fear".

Apropos, I see he was addressing the Brookings Institution. This is from their 'About' section:

A Global Challenge

The terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, increased the urgency of developing strategies to address the threat while sustaining America's role as a force for prosperity and stability abroad and an open society at home. With remarkable speed, Brookings experts produced influential proposals for homeland security and intelligence operations. They also testified before Congress and used the Institution's outreach capacity, including its in-house television studio, to explain the new global reality to a frightened public.

http://www.brookings.edu/about/history


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Is this the face of the future?

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By god, he's no' bonnie.

The united lardbarrels who oppose independence are an increasingly weighty argument in favour of it.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby MacCruiskeen » Wed Apr 09, 2014 7:32 pm

An unapologetically scornful put-down of Robertson's scaremongering speech by Ian Bell in today's [Glasgow] Herald:

Robertson has both insulted and threatened Yes voters

The comments are also well worth reading. I think there is a real excitement brewing about this referendum, and the kernel of truth in "Lord" Robertson's bullshit is that a popular Yes to Scottish independence would surely have serious repercussions well beyond the borders of Great Britain. Where I differ from Robertson is that I see the impending radical changes as likely to be almost wholly positive, both in themselves and as an example to others.

That's why it's plausible to me that the prospect of a democratic Yes vote to Scottish independence might seriously worry the Western powers-that-be outside the UK -- because, in demonstrating the actual possibility of real change through the ballot box, it would constitute the threat of a good example.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby Rory » Wed Apr 09, 2014 9:06 pm

What is the deal with the info that to be hidden 100 years over Dunblane? I remember reading bits and pieces, here and there but I'd like to read a cogent account if there is one someone has a link to - A brief google search shows Rense and Icke: ie; not cogent in the slightest.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby slimmouse » Thu Apr 10, 2014 5:43 am

Rory wrote:What is the deal with the info that to be hidden 100 years over Dunblane? I remember reading bits and pieces, here and there but I'd like to read a cogent account if there is one someone has a link to - A brief google search shows Rense and Icke: ie; not cogent in the slightest.


LOL.

Well give them their due, at ;least theyre 2 sources who can confirm such an extraordinary state of affairs for you.

You really do need to read what Icke is telling you sometimes. Id say Ickes clock is right for a lot of the day.

Its essentially all an elite coverup of their pedophilia activities and full use of their assets. ( Personally Im distinctly drawn to the conclusion that this was some kiind of MC operation.) It also of course resulted in heavy anti gun legislation for the UK.

As they do, the Control system was conveniently killing two birds with one stone. This is essentially a previous run of Jimmy Saville, with gun laws attatched
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby semper occultus » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:08 am

Rory » 10 Apr 2014 01:06 wrote:What is the deal with the info that to be hidden 100 years over Dunblane? I remember reading bits and pieces, here and there but I'd like to read a cogent account if there is one someone has a link to - A brief google search shows Rense and Icke: ie; not cogent in the slightest.


...could try this...it was supposedley to do with "protecting children's identities" iirc...

http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/dunblane_revisited.html


....the pro-Union side need a new narrative...and fairly quickly...
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby Rory » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:32 am

semper occultus » Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:08 am wrote:
Rory » 10 Apr 2014 01:06 wrote:What is the deal with the info that to be hidden 100 years over Dunblane? I remember reading bits and pieces, here and there but I'd like to read a cogent account if there is one someone has a link to - A brief google search shows Rense and Icke: ie; not cogent in the slightest.


...could try this...it was supposedley to do with "protecting children's identities" iirc...

http://martinfrost.ws/htmlfiles/dunblane_revisited.html


....the pro-Union side need a new narrative...and fairly quickly...



Thanks, Semper - that is very sober and dispassionate. I'll follow through the links there and see where it goes. There is a lot of inconsistency in the reported facts and uninvestigated occurrences surrounding Mr Hamilton. A shady man, with some shadier and secretive friends - I vaguely remember something about the home secretary and prime minister needing to sign off on a 100 year ruling - also, the above mentioned (and not-so-bonnie) Warlord Robinson being a casual associate with Hamilton (or, at least having more than coincidental involvement).

Were Salmond or any of his crew in power to any degree at the time?
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby DrEvil » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:45 am

slimmouse » Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:43 am wrote:You really do need to read what Icke is telling you sometimes. Id say Ickes clock is right for a lot of the day.


Problem is the rest of the day he's a quarter past Mickey Mouse.

And yes, they have very strict gun laws, which might have something to do with them having one of the lowest gun-death rates in the world.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Apr 10, 2014 1:56 pm

From today's Guardian:

Scotland likely to choose independence, foreign diplomats believe

Sources in diplomatic corps in Edinburgh say tide of opinion has shifted, while opinion polls show increase in support for yes vote

Severin Carrell, Scotland correspondent
theguardian.com, Thursday 10 April 2014 18.02 BST

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Foreign diplomats believe Scotland is likely to vote for independence after a series of opinion polls have shown an increase in support for a yes vote in September's referendum.

Sources in the diplomatic corps in Edinburgh, which is home to nearly 50 consulates and diplomatic missions, have told the Guardian they think the tide of opinion has shifted significantly in recent months, after a noticeable swing against David Cameron's government and the no campaign.

One senior diplomat, who asked not to be named, said he had believed last year that a yes vote was unlikely, but had since changed his mind. In his view "it is now likely, but not certain" that Scotland would vote yes in September, he said.

Their intervention will boost the yes campaign just as the Scottish National party gathers in Aberdeen for its spring conference this weekend, its last before September's referendum.

Alex Salmond, the first minister and SNP leader, is expected to point to the latest polls as proof the SNP is poised to win its historic goal of independence, in its 80th year since its foundation in 1934.

But the Treasury sought to dampen that mood by publishing fresh data from the International Monetary Fund which it said showed that Scotland would have one of the highest spending deficits of all advanced economies if it became independent in 2016, at £9.5bn.

The Treasury said that deficit, equivalent to 5.5% of Scotland's GDP or £1,760 per head – £1,000 per head more than the UK's projected annual deficit that year – would be put immense pressure on Scottish public spending.

Two opinion polls on Thursday confirmed the gap between a yes and no vote has narrowed. A Survation survey for the Daily Record and Dundee university put yes at 44% and no at 56%, a gap of 12 points, excluding don't knows. A second, by Panelbase for the pro-independence Yes Scotland campaign, confirmed Panelbase's other recent polls by putting the yes vote at 47% and the no vote at 53% after excluding undecideds – one of the narrowest margins in recent months.

While backing for independence in the Survation poll was slightly down on its poll last month, Yes Scotland said the average of all recent polls put a yes vote at 46% and no at 54% – a difference of eight points compared with a 38% to 62% gap last November.

A second foreign government source said most diplomats did not believe the UK government's stance on key questions such as George Osborne's claims the Treasury would veto a currency union, that Scotland's economy would suffer badly after independence and that Scotland would be barred from immediate EU membership.

Diplomats instead believed the UK government's hostility on the currency, immigration and Europe was creating a backlash among Scottish voters. Most diplomats, who have yet to see a significant push for a no vote by the anti-independence campaigns, believed the chancellor would agree a currency pact after a yes vote.

"The UK government's policies are pushing Scotland away," said one European consul. "My hunch is that unless the UK government radically rethinks, it's on a hiding to nothing. It is losing the argument."

Their scepticism about Osborne's stance on sterling was underlined by the international credit ratings agency Fitch in a report on Thursday.

Fitch said it doubted Scotland would vote for independence but a yes vote had to be carefully considered as "a potentially relevant event for the remaining UK". It would have a "significant" effects on the UK and the Westminster government would want to make sure independence caused as little disruption as possible to the economy.

It predicted the UK would compromise with Scotland on key economic issues, since Scottish independence would see the UK's debt increase by nearly 10%. It would also be "mildly negative" for the UK's trade balances because it would lose nearly all its North Sea exports, although that was unlikely to affect the UK's credit rating of AA+.

The pro-UK Better Together campaign and Scottish Labour argue privately that since their main campaigns against independence have not yet started, the latest opinion polls only reflect a temporary public mood.

Yes Scotland has launched its nationwide billboard advertising campaign in favour of independence: Better Together's national campaign will not launch till next month, closer to the start of the formal referendum campaign on 30 May.

The chief secretary to the Treasury, Danny Alexander, said the IMF figures showed independence "would be a great risk to the Scottish economy, and would mean higher tax bills and cuts to public services to balance the books". He added: "Being part of the larger UK economy provides Scotland with jobs, stability and security. Independence would mean higher taxes and lower spending on public services."

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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby MacCruiskeen » Thu Apr 10, 2014 2:32 pm

Rory wrote:Were Salmond or any of his crew in power to any degree at the time [of the Dunblane massacre]?


Alex Salmond was one of only three or four SNP Members of Parliament in 1996. None of them was "in power" in any significant sense, i.e, they were a handful of lowly Members of Parliament from a then-marginal party, nothing more than that. And Salmond's parliamentary seat was in the Highlands, hundreds of miles north of the Dunblane area.

Wiki wrote:From 1987 to 2010 he served as Member of Parliament for Banff and Buchan


(I kind of regret posting that photo of Robertson with the Dunblane caption. It would be a shame to throw this thread off-topic.)
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby Rory » Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:39 pm

MacCruiskeen » Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:32 pm wrote:
Rory wrote:Were Salmond or any of his crew in power to any degree at the time [of the Dunblane massacre]?


Alex Salmond was one of only three or four SNP Members of Parliament in 1996. None of them was "in power" in any significant sense, i.e, they were a handful of lowly Members of Parliament from a then-marginal party, nothing more than that. And Salmond's parliamentary seat was in the Highlands, hundreds of miles north of the Dunblane area.

Wiki wrote:From 1987 to 2010 he served as Member of Parliament for Banff and Buchan


(I kind of regret posting that photo of Robertson with the Dunblane caption. It would be a shame to throw this thread off-topic.)


Cheers for that re Salmond - I don't remember him as being a key establishment figure until much later in Labour's Blair gov.

We'll leave Warlord Robbo at that then!

I hope Scotland secedes and sets the dominos toppling through the rest of the UK. Until there is a tiny, walled in, bitter enclosure in the home counties, populated by what's left of the cunt Tories.
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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby semper occultus » Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:27 am

......there’s some way to go to get to that "tiny enclosure" looking at the 2010 electoral map.......not sure how we actually know knocking over the UK is all going to end well…….national identities are funny things....once North Britain goes off doing their own thing waving their saltirs then that gives free reign to the "English" nationalists to have a go themsleves & I don't see any particular reason to think that the direction of travel is going to be necessarily progressive or preferable to what we have at the moment….remember Yugoslavia…


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the SNP became heavily embroiled & allegeldy implicated in the rather reminiscent Hollie Greig / Down's Syndrome girl / masonic paedo ring can of worms - involving SNP Justice Secretary Kenny McAskill & Lord Advocate Elish Angiolini

http://scottishlaw.blogspot.co.uk/2010/02/justice-secretary-linked-to-lord.html
http://antioligarch.wordpress.com/2013/10/07/dame-elish-angiolini-from-hollie-grieg-to-dunblane/
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Apr 12, 2014 6:23 pm

Sanity from a Londoner: Chunky Mark, aka The Artist Taxi-Driver:



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Re: Scottish Independence and the UK State

Postby AhabsOtherLeg » Tue Apr 15, 2014 2:43 am

Ye Gods. The Baron Lord George Robertson of Port Ellen... What an absolute roaster he is.

Scottish independence 'would be cataclysmic for the world', ex-Nato head warns
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ ... warns.html


"Nobody should underestimate the effect all of that would have on existing global balances, and the forces of darkness would simply love it."


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But I thought we were just a poor wee primitive backwater that nobody cared about?

How did we suddenly become the lynchpin in the defence of the Western World (or rather, the lynchpin in the defence of George Robertson's seat in the House of Lords)?

To the credit of the attendees at his Brookings Institute talk (though I have no reason to love the institution itself) they were working very hard indeed not to laugh outright at his ridiculous pish. Can't be easy.

I loved his debate with Stewart Hosie (SNP) at the University of Abertay. Hosie is not really a great debater, but he knows his facts. In the end, it was really George Robertson who managed to turn the whole audience around:

Prior to the debate the audience vote (viewable in the video at around 6:30) was:

Yes: 21%
No: 59%
Don't Know: 20%

The vote taken after Mr Hosie and Lord Robertson had made their cases (viewable in the video at around 1:27:00) was:

Yes: 51%
No: 38%
Don't Know: 11%
http://www.yesscotland.net/news/abertay ... mentum-yes


This pattern is being repeated everywhere that debates are happening, and they are happening somewhere in Scotland every day of every week as we move into the final months of the campaign... When people are allowed to hear the arguments for Yes, they move (without all that much prompting) to Yes. People move from No, to undecided, to Yes. No one moves from Yes to No.

The pro-Union campaign's only real asset (the BBC) might still carry the day for them, though. I'm under no illusions.

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