Anderson Cooper "Exposing" Newtown Conspiracy Theory 1/11/13

[barracuda]

If the Honda Civic identified in the Reuters photo and Sandy Hook police broadcast were the one registered to Nancy Lanza, we would have heard about it, and we haven't.

That seems to work only one way for you. Let's put it another way - if the Honda were actually registered to Chris Rodia in real life rather than just in your fantasy world, we would have heard about it, and we haven't. Three guesses as to why.

So now you're relying on a blogger you spent four pages excoriating to make your feeble point!? And incidentally not even Creighton buys the load of bollocks you're selling.

No, I'm relying on the originator of the recording you drew your conclusions from, Radioman911. Besides, I thought Creighton was your hero. And yes, he has distanced himself entirely from the Rodia nonsense, as anyone can see. He's clever to do so.

Likewise if the police broadcast posted by Radioman911 had actually been forged or fiddled with in any way, we would have heard about that too. Per the Kordick email posted by Creighton, it wasn't. I listened to it and I can say with 100% bulletproof certitude that police identify the Sandy Hook Honda as registered to Rodia. Not a shadow of doubt, PR exertions notwithstanding.

I listened to it and came to the opposite conclusion, before any of the corroborating evidence came to light. And there's been lot's of it. But you know, you've never really explained just what role you think Rodia may have played in all this. Spin me a yarn, whydoncha? How does this local criminal fit in to the big picture, anyway? I'm on the edge of my seat.

[lupercal]

No, I'm relying on the originator of the recording you drew your conclusions from, Radioman911. Besides, I thought Creighton was your hero. And yes, he has distanced himself entirely from the Rodia nonsense, as anyone can see. He's clever to do so.

Wrong. Creighton is posting an email from a Greenwhich (not Sandy Hook) cop supposedly sent to Radioman911 supposedly republished with his permission. But there's no evidence of any response from Radioman91 to Kordkick or Creighton. Here's what Creighton says:

I post the email from Capt. Mark Kordick Ct. PD in it’s entirety as published with permission by Radioman911.

Link to Creighton's Dec. 23 blogpost: http://willyloman.wordpress.com/2012/12 ... f-norwalk/

The link under Creighton's remark goes to the police broadcast, not to any exchange between Creighton and Radioman911. You have a knack for finding weak spots and spinning them, I'll give you that, but as usual you're wrong.

[lupercal]

Let's put it another way - if the Honda were actually registered to Chris Rodia in real life rather than just in your fantasy world, we would have heard about it, and we haven't.

We have. The CT police identify the Sandy Hook shooter's black Honda Civic, by licence plate number, as registered to Rodia. That's in the Sandy Hook police broadcast posted by Radioman911. Do you have a record showing the car registered to someone else?

Besides, I thought Creighton was your hero. And yes, he has distanced himself entirely from the Rodia nonsense, as anyone can see. He's clever to do so.

I think you need to reread my post. Creighton does not, in fact, distance himself entirely:

People all over the web have moved to preemptively indemnify themselves. . . .

For a guy publicly charged with purloining copper tubing from a construction site Mr Rodia has an awfully proactive PR team working on his behalf. How do you imagine he affords all that astroturf?

Even Scott Creighton (for god's sake) has stepped back:

So now you're relying on a blogger you spent four pages excoriating to make your feeble point!? And incidentally not even Creighton buys the load of bollocks you're selling. In the same post he adds:

I will not erase the Chris Rodia thread I created before as other sites have done. I will post this update on the thread immediately so that people coming to view it will see this new information and they can come to their own conclusions.

Furthermore, f the Rodia connection were so easily debunked, it would have been, but obviously hasn't been. Creighton again:

As another reader pointed out, releasing the registration of the vehicle would easily put all of this too rest but as of yet, we have no information along those lines.

Naturally the license plate # of the Honda registered to Nancy Lanza is absent from the doc you posted:


If the Honda Civic identified in the Reuters photo and Sandy Hook police broadcast were the one registered to Nancy Lanza, we would have heard about it, and we haven't. Likewise if the police broadcast posted by Radioman911 had actually been forged or fiddled with in any way, we would have heard about that too. Per the Kordick email posted by Creighton, it wasn't. I listened to it and I can say with 100% bulletproof certitude that police identify the Sandy Hook Honda as registered to Rodia. Not a shadow of doubt, PR exertions notwithstanding.

[lupercal]

One further point: here is the complete text of a message that now accompanies the Kordick e-mail below the Radioman911 Newtown police broadcast posted on youtube, link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETkrxfYoQtc

This recording was posted for its educational value in documenting the professional public safety response to a horrible American tragedy. While enlightening access, scanner recordings should not be regarded as the closest form of the truth, nor should interpretations of unintelligible radio traffic gleaned from them. Suggesting that the police and/or media have altered the facts of the event is disrespectful to all those who suffered a loss or participated in the rescue efforts on that day.

The digital noises that are heard throughout the recording are encrypted transmissions. An effort was made to reduce the volume of those transmissions during the recording process. Encryption is used by many police departments as a method of protecting sensitive information from hitting the airwaves. Its use is a sign that tactical procedures necessary for officer safety are being enacted.

There is routine CT State Police and municipal radio traffic taking place during this recording, so not everything heard is related to the incident. There is information about two occupants in a van which turned out to be either unrelated or unfounded. There is also speculation that some unintelligible radio traffic that may contain the word "Adam" is referring to the suspect. The word Adam is the police phonetic alphabet for the letter "A", often used as part of a unit identifier.

To cut to the chase, neither Kordick nor the accompanying message ever say that:

a) the youtube has been fiddled with or altered, or is in any way inaccurate;
b) that the Black Honda with the 872 YEO licence plate is registered to Nancy Lanza; or that
c) it isn't registered to Rodia.

If any of those were true, I'm confident that our debunkers would have promptly let us know.

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Argument from Repetition/Ad Nauseam

The argument from repetition fallacy is where an argument is repeated over and over until no further progress can be made and all points are exhausted. Normally a person will have a belief or position that does not have evidence, is blatantly false, or is fallaciously structured. They will repeat this over and over no matter what contradictory argument is laid before them.

[barracuda]

...to expostulate
What majesty should be, what duty is,
Why day is day, night night, and time is time,
Were nothing but to waste night, day and time.

OMFG, it does go on and on, and the options available to the analysts focusing on the license plate grow fewer and fewer.

Further commentary by Capt. Mark Kordick, Commander – Operations Division, Greenwich Police Department:

While I am far from qualified to comment on any aspect of the Newtown investigation, I can put forth the following by way of explanation relative to the Christopher Rodia situation.

The radio traffic in question is an amalgamation of radio traffic from various Fairfield County, Connecticut law enforcement agencies that is made available on the internet via RadioReference.com. There are 23 different municipalities in Fairfield County, 22 of which operate their own independent public safety radio systems. One municipality (Sherman, CT) is rural and does not have an organized police department The Radio Reference “Fairfield County stream” combines many of these systems (not all are represented) and adds the southwestern CT State Police radio traffic to the mix as well. Listening to the stream is like listening to both sides of several different phone calls all at the same time.

Each of the 22 municipal systems is a separate and distinct entity and none normally interoperate (communicate directly between each other.) For example, I cannot use my Greenwich police portable or car radio to talk directly with any of the radios on any of the other independent radio systems. Most in fact are not even in the same frequency range of our local system.

The audio stream in question has audio from a person (I presume a police officer in Newtown, CT) providing a registration plate number (872-YEO) that the media has reported as (and photographed being) associated with the Newtown shooting. That traffic was carried on the Newtown radio system which cannot be heard here in Greenwich. Simultaneously – 35 miles away here in Greenwich – Mr. Rodia was being interviewed by a Greenwich Police Officer about his vehicle seemingly illegally parked in a fire lane. In the seconds after the Newtown transmission, the Greenwich police officer reads Mr. Rodia’s name and provides his date of birth over the Greenwich police radio system to his dispatcher so he can be checked for “wants and warrants.” The two audio segments are both unrelated and could not have been heard by the involved police officers or dispatchers on each end – they just happened to occur contemporaneously – miles apart. The audio features segments of both sides of unrelated conversations – the 872-YEO transmission and the Rodia transmission were made by different police officers operating on different radio systems miles apart. If you listen, you can hear the voices are completely different.

While (again) I have no direct information about anything associated with the Newtown investigation (as far as I know there could have been 1,000 Lanza co-conspirators) the one thing I do know for certain is that Mr. Rodia was in Greenwich, CT, not Newtown, CT when those transmissions were made. That’s perhaps the most ironic thing about this whole situation. The audio stream in no way implicates Mr. Rodia – in point of fact, the audio that everyone mentions as somehow indicating Mr. Rodia’s involvement does the exact opposite. It provides an ironclad accounting of his whereabouts as elsewhere minutes after the incident in Newtown.

Yours,
Capt. Mark Kordick
Commander – Operations Division
Greenwich Police Department

From here.


Capt. Mark Kordick, Commander – Operations Division, Greenwich Police Department

To cut to the chase, neither Kordick nor the accompanying message ever say that:

a) the youtube has been fiddled with or altered, or is in any way inaccurate;
b) that the Black Honda with the 872 YEO licence plate is registered to Nancy Lanza; or that
c) it isn't registered to Rodia.

If any of those were true, I'm confident that our debunkers would have promptly let us know.

This is a happy moment indeed. Seriously!

I, personally, don't care if The Black Honda is registered to Bill Fucking Clinton. The question is who was involved with the killing. If the car can't be definitively tied to Rodia, and he has what sounds rather conclusively like an airtight alibi, then what's left to talk about? Finding registration information on private vehicles is frankly something I'm not sure how to approach, or I might have already, so I'm more than willing to concede the point that we don't know with absolute certainty what might be printed upon the registration papers for The Black Honda In Question. We do know conclusively that Nancy Lanza owned a 2010 Honda Civic, and that just so happens to be the same kind of car that is shown parked in front of the school and on the flatbed.

Coincidence??? Maybe. The Lord works in mysterious ways, indeed.

This isn't about "debunking" anything. It's about looking at evidence - remember that? - and coming to intelligent conclusions about that evidence.

[lupercal]

I, personally, don't care if The Black Honda is registered to Bill Fucking Clinton. The question is who was involved with the killing.

Nope, the question is who the black Honda Civic, license plate 872 YEO, is registered to. That's the question CT police asked in the broadcast, and the answer they clearly received was Chris Rodia. If you have registration information that contradicts that, by all means post it. I've been asking you to look it up for a month.

If the car can't be definitively tied to Rodia, and he has what sounds rather conclusively like an airtight alibi, then what's left to talk about?

What's left to talk about is why was the Sandy Hook shooter's black Honda Civic was registered to Rodia. Lovely pic though. Relative?

[barracuda]

Nope, the question is who the black Honda Civic, license plate 872 YEO, is registered to. That's the question CT police asked in the broadcast, and the answer they clearly received was Chris Rodia. If you have registration information that contradicts that, by all means post it. I've been asking you to look it up for a month.

Keep asking. I don't know how to do that, and neither do you. And you need to tie the Honda to Rodia in a manner that doesn't depend upon your personal skills in interpreting police scanner traffic to have it matter. At least to me. Because it doesn't seem to be an area of your expertise.

What's left to talk about is why was the Sandy Hook shooter's black Honda Civic was registered to Rodia.

You can't definitively demonstrate that it was, which would seem a bit more pressing and pertinent. Repetition doesn't magically turn opinion into evidence. So who cares?

Though I would simply love to hear your theories on the matter. Got anything?

[barracuda]

Lovely pic though. Relative?

His very look accuses you. But thankfully, no. I like to remain a certain remove from law enforcement, between us both.

[Blue]

Oops, nevermind. I totally misread that. Please ignore this post.

I'm not taking sides here but something is very odd about this discussion of Rodia and the Honda. From barracuda's post:

The audio stream in question has audio from a person (I presume a police officer in Newtown, CT) providing a registration plate number (872-YEO) that the media has reported as (and photographed being) associated with the Newtown shooting. That traffic was carried on the Newtown radio system which cannot be heard here in Greenwich. Simultaneously – 35 miles away here in Greenwich – Mr. Rodia was being interviewed by a Greenwich Police Officer about his vehicle seemingly illegally parked in a fire lane.

So I thought it was a case of there being two black Honda's. Then I looked at the supposedly mistaken photo and wondered why if it was Rodia's car being towed from a fire lane in Greenwich there were first responders behind the tow truck and one of them beside the truck has on a jacket that clearly says "Sandy Hook Fire and Rescue" on it.

Sorry it's so big - for some reason I can't embed it smaller.

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That’s perhaps the most ironic thing about this whole situation. The audio stream in no way implicates Mr. Rodia – in point of fact, the audio that everyone mentions as somehow indicating Mr. Rodia’s involvement does the exact opposite. It provides an ironclad accounting of his whereabouts as elsewhere minutes after the incident in Newtown.

Yours,
Capt. Mark Kordick
Commander – Operations Division
Greenwich Police Department

From here.

You know, there's something about the seeming contrast between Capt.Kordick;s exceptionally elegant, lucid writing style and the, um, more conventionally coplike mien on display in his photograph that kind of suggests to me that letter was written by counsel.

Which probably means that I was wrong to think that the odds of Rodia suing were low, I guess. Or that's the logical conclusion, anyway.

So much so that I now wonder why I thought it to begin with. It's a percentage-of-settlement-type case in payment terms, so there wouldn't be attorney's fees upfromt. And any attorney would be delighted to take it on.

Hm. Well. The future lies ahead.

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You know what would be the perfect money-making scam if it was done with sufficient precaution wrt identiry?

Viral auto-libel.

You'd need a co-conspirator, though.

[lupercal]

You know, there's something about the seeming contrast between Capt.Kordick;s exceptionally elegant, lucid writing style and the, um, more conventionally coplike mien on display in his photograph that kind of suggests to me that letter was written by counsel.

He has a knack for authoritatively saying nothing while appearing to give answers, true, and that's not a skill shared by everyone, see Chuck Hagel. Personally I'd call it competently bureaucratic, not "exceptionally elegant," though I suppose I wouldn't necessarily expect a cop to have it. But he might have had special training somewhere. And I very much doubt if copper-gutter-swiper Rodia has had anything whatsoever to do with the impressive pushback in his defense.

More likely he's just another patsy, witting or otherwise. The hyper-efficient message control makes me doubt that the Obama administration had anything to do with it either. To me it looks to me like what it's looked like from day one: a routine psy-op by a well oiled intel outfit with media connections. Anyway concerning Rodia I see 3 possibilities:

1) The 872YEO Honda is in fact registered to him, whether or not he drove it to the school; Radioman911's video inadvertently exposed him, and the hyperactive pushback is intended to get the cover story back on track;

2) The 872YEO Honda is in fact registered to Nancy Lanza, and the Rodia kerfuffle is an artful diversion devised to set up unwary "truthers" for exposure when the record is eventually produced;

3) The 872YEO Honda is registered to neither, and Rodia is the unlucky patsy selected to cover up the fact, with artfully conflicting "evidence" like the police broadcast floated to hopelessly problematize the question.

At the moment I can't say which is most likely, but the longer Radioman911's video stays up, the more suspicious I am that it might be part of the pys-op. His YouTube account shows that he's uploaded 8 videos, the first two months ago, meaning he'd been at his game all of one month when Sandy Hook went down. Here's his YouTube bio:

Radioman911.com streams live fire/emergency radio traffic to people interested in Chicagoland emergency services and serves to inform and educate through our archived recordings of important incidents. The site is dedicated to all those keeping watch over our neighborhoods, from the public safety professionals and volunteers working the front-lines, to the dispatchers and radio techs working behind the scenes to keep the radio traffic controlled, organized, and on the air.

link: http://www.youtube.com/user/Radioman911TV?feature=watch

Not to cast aspersions but 1) the elegant Cap'n Kordick could easily release the Honda registration record if he wanted to, and he hasn't, and 2) If multiple US law enforcement and intel agencies wanted Radioman911's YouTube taken down, I imagine it would be, and it hasn't been.

[barracuda]

Oh look, it's a 2010 Honda!

2) The 872YEO Honda is in fact registered to Nancy Lanza, and the Rodia kerfuffle is an artful diversion devised to set up unwary "truthers" for exposure as when the record is eventually produced;

I'd go with this one as the partially correct answer. When questioned, Lt. Vance (on, I believe, the 2nd of January) made a public statement that "The car confiscated at the scene, the black Honda with that license plate, belongs to a relative of Lanza's and not to Rodia". (He also stated he had never heard of Rodia.) So the car may be registered to Ryan or Nancy, or even Peter.

It's also a partial answer because the diversion is probably part of the series of red herrings pushed virally by persons completely outside of law enforcement, meaning the gun nuts and the conspiratainment interests looking for page hits. Any spoon that stirs the soup.

Not to cast aspersions, but 1) the elegant Cap'n Kerick could easily release the Honda registration record if he wanted to, and he hasn't;

I seriously, seriously doubt that. Releasing information regarding a vehicle in police custody as part of the Sandy Hook case would certainly be considered interfering with an ongoing police investigation. As well, the car may belong to a living person as noted above, and thus putting that person in the same position as Rodia - harassment by "Hookers". He would get fucked from here to Tuesday. Goodbye, cushy Commander job, goodbye!



Hello, co-defendant status in the upcoming lawsuits!

and 2) If multiple US law enforcement and intel agencies wanted Radioman911's youtube taken down, I imagine it would be, and it hasn't been.

Of course not. It's a rolling stone that actually gathers moss. For them. Very effectively. And furthermore, there's not a single thing illegal in any way about what he's done.

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Not to cast aspersions but 1) the elegant Cap'n Kordick could easily release the Honda registration record if he wanted to, and he hasn't,

Why would the Greenwich police have the registration record of Nancy Lanza's car, which was found at the scene of a crime in Newtown?

Rodia was driving his mother's sage green Nissan when he had the encounter with the cop that led to his name being spoken on that recording at the same time that police elsewhere in Fairfield County -- such as Newtown -- were also using their radios According to the CT Post. Whose reporter confirmed his story with the cop in question.

and 2) If multiple US law enforcement and intel agencies wanted Radioman911's YouTube taken down, I imagine it would be, and it hasn't been.

You lost me. Nobody would gain anything from taking it down. And it would still be available at radioreference, anyway.

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ON EDIT: Sorry. I didn't see barracuda's post covering the above before I posted, for some reason.