Bernie Sanders running for preznit?

[IanEye]

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from left to right; Goldtwat & Rimfister

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Clinton you say?...... - Gashcrud

[Iamwhomiam]

I suppose it was just as good entertaining as anything else airing on TV Tuesday evening. I listened on the radio, on FOX of all places, which I imagined would be punctuated by their oh, so witty commentary, but fortunately wasn't. Uninterrupted they drolled on... but now for your pleasure, you too, can relive the past! (But you still really gotta work on making a better future for yourselves, or let these guys dictate it for you)

There were two straight-on aggressive questions asked of both leading candidates, something before I've never witnessed in any debate of this sort.

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2015/10/video-watch-the-full-cnn-democratic-debate/


Tuesday, October 13, 2015
CNN Democratic Primary Debate
Watch Full Debate Video -
(YouTube Video above, plus commments)
Location: Wynn Las Vegas
Sponsors: CNN, Nevada Democratic Party
Moderators: Anderson Cooper, Don Lemon, and Dana Bash
Candidates: Clinton, Sanders, O'Malley, Webb, Chafee

The next Democrat Primary Election Debate of Presidential candidates:
Saturday, November 14, 2015

http://www.uspresidentialelectionnews.com/2016-debate-schedule/2016-democratic-primary-debate-schedule/

The Democrat Presidential Candidates

O'Malley is Poison! What he's permitted in Frederick County, Md. is criminal!
He is Not a nice guy.

[Luposapien]

Still haven't been able to work up the fortitude to watch any of the debate coverage, from either side of the aisle. Over the past decade or so, I seem to have developed such an aversion to political speechifying, that it makes me literally nauseous to absorb more than a minute or two of the stuff.

I say this to qualify the statement that, against my better judgement, I now find myself becoming uncharacteristically excited about Sanders' run. Perhaps it's just that I find it refreshing to be able to actually listen to a Presidential candidate- or, rather, one that seems to have somewhat more than a snowball's chance of being elected- speak without feeling the bile rise in my throat. I'm doing my best to temper that excitement, though, as I've accumulated more than enough layers of disillusionment already, and there's a part of me that can't overcome the suspicion that, if he's the genuine human he seems to be, he will be kept out of office by hook and/or crook.

In any case, ran across a link to this blog post about a recent chance meeting between Sanders and the family of Sandra Bland.

http://soulunbound.com/2015/10/14/when-bernie-promised-to-sayhername-sandrabland

If true, and it seems to be, then it speaks a lot toward the man's character. Hard to imagine the encounter going the same way were it with any of the other front-runners.

Go Bernie!....?

[Iamwhomiam]

Your footer seems most appropriate a this moment.

You really have to view the debate, any really, for its entertainment value. Note if you will, all the idealism presented as possibility where none exists. It's kinda like watching "Lost."

[backtoiam]

Still haven't been able to work up the fortitude to watch any of the debate coverage, from either side of the aisle. Over the past decade or so, I seem to have developed such an aversion to political speechifying, that it makes me literally nauseous to absorb more than a minute or two of the stuff.

More than two minutes and the battery acid starts taking my skin off down to the bones.

You really have to view the debate, any really, for its entertainment value. Note if you will, all the idealism presented as possibility where none exists. It's kinda like watching "Lost."

Damn I did it again.

[Grizzly]

There were two straight-on aggressive questions asked of both leading candidates, something before I've never witnessed in any debate of this sort.

Well what were they? No way in hell, I'm watching all of that to find out...lol

[Iamwhomiam]

Having missed the introductions, i had thought it was Colbert, but it must have been Cooper who asked. The way my memory works or doesn't work these days I can't recall what it was he asked either but he went after Bernie's Socialistic roots; I'll try to locate a transcript to find verbatim reference. Both were meant to put the respondent on the defensive, which his questions did.

I presently have no access to any video content.

OK, I found a transcript here:
http://time.com/4072553/democratic-debate-transcript-primetime-cnn/

edited to add:

I found the transcript at the NYT more readable on my old browser:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/14/us/politics/democratic-debate-transcript.html

It was Cooper's first question to Clinton and to Sanders

COOPER: Are you all ready? (APPLAUSE) All right. Let’s begin. We’re going to be discussing a lot of the issues, many of the issues, important issues that you have brought up. But I want to begin with concerns that voters have about each of the candidates here on this stage that they have about each of you. Secretary Clinton, I want to start with you. Plenty of politicians evolve on issues, but even some Democrats believe you change your positions based on political expediency. You were against same-sex marriage. Now you’re for it. You defended President Obama’s immigration policies. Now you say they’re too harsh. You supported his trade deal dozen of times. You even called it the “gold standard”. Now, suddenly, last week, you’re against it. Will you say anything to get elected?

CLINTON: Well, actually, I have been very consistent. Over the course of my entire life, I have always fought for the same values and principles, but, like most human beings — including those of us who run for office — I do absorb new information. I do look at what’s happening in the world. You know, taker the trade deal. I did say, when I was secretary of state, three years ago, that I hoped it would be the gold standard. It was just finally negotiated last week, and in looking at it, it didn’t meet my standards. My standards for more new, good jobs for Americans, for raising wages for Americans. And I want to make sure that I can look into the eyes of any middle-class American and say, “this will help raise your wages.” And I concluded I could not.

COOPER: Secretary Clinton, though, with all due respect, the question is really about political expediency. Just in July, New Hampshire, you told the crowd you’d, quote, “take a back seat to no one when it comes to progressive values.” Last month in Ohio, you said you plead guilty to, quote, “being kind of moderate and center.” Do you change your political identity based on who you’re talking to? CLINTON: No. I think that, like most people that I know, I have a range of views, but they are rooted in my values and my experience. And I don’t take a back seat to anyone when it comes to progressive experience and progressive commitment. You know, when I left law school, my first job was with the Children’s Defense Fund, and for all the years since, I have been focused on how we’re going to un-stack the deck, and how we’re gonna make it possible for more people to have the experience I had. You know, to be able to come from a grandfather who was a factory worker, a father who was a small business person, and now asking the people of America to elect me president.

COOPER: Just for the record, are you a progressive, or are you a moderate?

CLINTON: I’m a progressive. But I’m a progressive who likes to get things done. And I know...

(APPLAUSE)

...how to find common ground, and I know how to stand my ground, and I have proved that in every position that I’ve had, even dealing with Republicans who never had a good word to say about me, honestly. But we found ways to work together on everything from...

COOPER: Secretary...

CLINTON: ...reforming foster care and adoption to the Children’s Health Insurance Program, which insures...

COOPER: ...thank you...

CLINTON: ...8 million kids. So I have a long history of getting things done, rooted in the same values...

COOPER: ...Senator...

CLINTON: ...I’ve always had.

~~~~~~~

[quote]COOPER: Senator Sanders. A Gallup poll says half the country would not put a socialist in the White House. You call yourself a democratic socialist. How can any kind of socialist win a general election in the United States?

SANDERS: Well, we’re gonna win because first, we’re gonna explain what democratic socialism is. And what democratic socialism is about is saying that it is immoral and wrong that the top one-tenth of 1 percent in this country own almost 90 percent — almost — own almost as much wealth as the bottom 90 percent. That it is wrong, today, in a rigged economy, that 57 percent of all new income is going to the top 1 percent. That when you look around the world, you see every other major country providing health care to all people as a right, except the United States. You see every other major country saying to moms that, when you have a baby, we’re not gonna separate you from your newborn baby, because we are going to have — we are gonna have medical and family paid leave, like every other country on Earth. Those are some of the principles that I believe in, and I think we should look to countries like Denmark, like Sweden and Norway, and learn from what they have accomplished for their working people.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Denmark is a country that has a population — Denmark is a country that has a population of 5.6 million people. The question is really about electability here, and that’s what I’m trying to get at. You — the — the Republican attack ad against you in a general election — it writes itself. You supported the Sandinistas in Nicaragua. You honeymooned in the Soviet Union. And just this weekend, you said you’re not a capitalist. Doesn’t — doesn’t that ad write itself?

SANDERS: Well, first of all, let’s look at the facts. The facts that are very simple. Republicans win when there is a low voter turnout, and that is what happened last November. Sixty-three percent of the American people didn’t vote, Anderson. Eighty percent of young people didn’t vote. We are bringing out huge turnouts, and creating excitement all over this country. Democrats at the White House on down will win, when there is excitement and a large voter turnout, and that is what this campaign is doing.

COOPER: You don’t consider yourself a capitalist, though?

SANDERS: Do I consider myself part of the casino capitalist process by which so few have so much and so many have so little by which Wall Street’s greed and recklessness wrecked this economy? No, I don’t. I believe in a society where all people do well. Not just a handful of billionaires.

(APPLAUSE)

COOPER: Just let me just be clear. Is there anybody else on the stage who is not a capitalist?

CLINTON: Well, let me just follow-up on that, Anderson, because when I think about capitalism, I think about all the small businesses that were started because we have the opportunity and the freedom in our country for people to do that and to make a good living for themselves and their families. And I don’t think we should confuse what we have to do every so often in America, which is save capitalism from itself. And I think what Senator Sanders is saying certainly makes sense in the terms of the inequality that we have. But we are not Denmark. I love Denmark. We are the United States of America. And it’s our job to rein in the excesses of capitalism so that it doesn’t run amok and doesn’t cause the kind of inequities we’re seeing in our economic system. But we would be making a grave mistake to turn our backs on what built the greatest middle class in the history...

COOPER: Senator Sanders?

CLINTON: ... of the world.

(APPLAUSE)

SANDERS: I think everybody is in agreement that we are a great entrepreneurial nation. We have got to encourage that. Of course, we have to support small and medium-sized businesses. But you can have all of the growth that you want and it doesn’t mean anything if all of the new income and wealth is going to the top 1 percent. So what we need to do is support small and medium-sized businesses, the backbone of our economy, but we have to make sure that every family in this country gets a fair shake...

COOPER: We’re going to get...

SANDERS: ... not just for billionaires.

COOPER: We’re going to have a lot more on these issues. But I do want to just quickly get everybody in on the question of electability. Governor Chafee, you’ve been everything but a socialist.[/quote

Surely, fine entertaining material for prime time TV.

[Elvis]

Support Bernie Sanders for President.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dZukA0GgJc

[Iamwhomiam]

[Twyla LaSarc]

[Iamwhomiam]

^^^^ That's the spirit, Twyla! See, it's contagious.

[Elvis]

I didn't see this posted anywhere, I hope it's not a needless repetition.

For one thing, it didn't occur to me that CNN's parent company might be Hillary's seventh-biggest campaign contributor. And, this is a reminder to grab screen shots of these sorts of things.

CNN Deletes Pro-Bernie Sanders Poll and User Comments

Published: October 15, 2015 | Authors: Elizabeth Miller | NationofChange | News Report


CNN has come under fire in the last few days for pushing a pro-Hillary agenda and actually censoring reactions to the Democratic debate that took place on Tuesday night.

It started with a poll. CNN asked their audience to vote live for who they thought won the debate on Tuesday night. Poll results showed Sanders overwhelmingly as the winner, with over 75% of the votes. Suddenly, however, the poll disappeared, only to be replaced by a pro-Hillary headline story.




CNN later declared Hillary Clinton as the winner of the night’s debate stating: “Hillary Clinton proved without a doubt Tuesday night why she is the Democratic Party’s presidential front-runner.”

Then, other Sanders supporters on Facebook started noticing their pro-Bernie comments being removed from CNN stories.

According to Media Equalizer, there are certain messages being specifically targeted – mainly those that mention CNN’s conflict of interest in their support for Hillary. You see, CNN’s parent company, Time Warner, is a huge donor to Hillary Clinton:




Media Equalizer also managed to take screen shots of some of the comments that were later deleted:




Supporters of Sanders haven’t given up though. Users are continuing to post their comments and call out the network any way they can, even if it means re-posting previously deleted content.


http://www.nationofchange.org/2015/10/1 ... -comments/

On edit: And sure, those CNN polls and the like are self-selective, etc., etc., but if they're so unreliable why does CNN offer them in the first fucking place?

Surely there ought to be a law against news media companies donating money to candidates they cover.

[Luther Blissett]

I never could have imagined this news 18 years ago, so it's at least somewhat exciting to me. Hopefully he doesn't try to explain how the police are a socialist institution again.

Bernie Sanders is planning a "major speech" on democratic socialism, with many asking what the label really means. We look at socialism in America, why some think Bernie isn't a real socialist and how his values help and hurt him in the 2016 race.

http://live.huffingtonpost.com/r/segmen ... 44e400005e