Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[MacCruiskeen]

The article is from yesterday and well worth posting - so thanks, C_w. That is at least one murder [on edit: non-fatal shooting] the brothers turn out not, after all, to have committed.

Love the title (emphasis added):

The New Truth About the Cop Shot in Watertown: Friendly-Fire in a Getaway

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... hot/64953/

[compared2what?]

Is it his corpse or isn't it? What convenience apart from sparing you the trouble of committing to one or the other is being afforded to whom here, exactly? And how is it more convenient than the fully available option of just shipping the maybe-dead, maybe-living bodies of (whomever you think they belong to) to Gitmo and refusing to say another word about it would have been?

It's interesting to hear you admit that such openly fascist options are already readily available in the USA.

You say that as if it was contradicted by all the other times I've said it, which include once only a few short days ago on this very thread in a post responding to you.

So it's hard to read it as anything other than a completely unjustified piece of innuendo falsely suggesting that I've ever said anything else.

If you wish to suggest that, try that chapter-and-verse thing.

But the ongoing hatefest has at least three advantages: 1) It permits the spooks to take a daily measure of the public's temperature;

And the reason that you think the spooks needed to take a daily measure of the public's temperature in some particular way by (doing whatever it is you think they did) rather than just by continuing to keep nearly total track of what they do and say via the internet,while spinning the news this way or that as required without going to the trouble of staging anything is...?

It's not like the levels of unrest and dissent regarding that stuff were about to reach heights from which there was no going back.

2) It allows the US government to make a show of pretending the whole thing's out of their hands (vox populi, vox dei); and

By which they gain what? They could have done that without the exercise.

3) It confirms the corpse's conviction in the court of angry yahoo opinion, while ensuring that its (putative) brother (who may or may not in fact be still alive) will be fully convicted without any need for any of that evidence nonsense, long before he or even his pastel portrait ever comes to "trial", or more likely to a [semi]-public plea-deal. ("Plead guilty or we'll kill you.")

You don't know anything about the plea negotiations, including whether there are any.

And whose convenience does it serve in what predictable way to convict the corpse in the court of angry yahoo opinion that isn't fucking served just as well or better by saying someone is a terrorist threat, pointing to some damage and a photograph and then going to town, as they did with Bin Laden.

Seems a lot less convenient to me.

[MacCruiskeen]

That innuendo about Gitmo was very low, btw. Just report your unfounded suspicions about me to the Committee on Un-conspiratorial Activities so that they can blacklist me for being a threat to un-American values on some trumped up charge and get it over with, why don't you?

What "innuendo"? What on earth are you talking about?

And on edit, a reminder: You were the one who first mentioned "Gitmo" as an option for disposing of corpses or of living humans, not I.

[compared2what?]

That innuendo about Gitmo was very low, btw. Just report your unfounded suspicions about me to the Committee on Un-conspiratorial Activities so that they can blacklist me for being a threat to un-American values on some trumped up charge and get it over with, why don't you?

]What innuendo? What on earth are you talking about?

Sorry. I was just making that a separate post.

The one I'd just fucking remarked on, where you singled out my acknowledgement of something I routinely acknowledge as interesting, bolding the word "fascist" as if to suggest it was exceptional or in some way uncharacteristic for me to admit to such a thing.

Chapter and verse. Or explain why you thought it was interesting. Or withdraw it without scads of heavy-handed resentful irony, same as I do for you.

[MacCruiskeen]

I have not the faintest clue what you think you are talking about. (This is what I get when I actually do reply to your posts point-by-point. Perhaps your fan barracuda can take note.)

[compared2what?]

I also have some outstanding questions about what made going to all that trouble convenient for the spooks, wrt what unfilled need it addressed.

[MacCruiskeen]

I also have some outstanding questions about what made going to all that trouble convenient for the spooks, wrt what unfilled need it addressed.

I don't know. You would have to ask them. I am not a spook. I can only guess.

You appear to be presuming that spooks always address "unfilled needs" and always carry out perfectly-plotted plans perfectly, as opposed to responding managerially on an ad hoc basis to whatever fuck-ups or unexpected eventualities occur from one day to the next, which is what I presume.

[stillrobertpaulsen]

Anyone know about Nikolai Malishevski? Curious what people here think about this site and these articles attempting to "follow the money":

The Sponsors of «Chechen» Terrorism and the Boston Bombings (I)
Nikolai MALISHEVSKI | 07.05.2013 | 08:08


After the Boston bombings, the U.S. media were filled with news about «Chechen terrorists» and headlines along the lines of «The Russian Caucasus is a Hotbed of Terrorism» and «Russian Chechnya is Fertile Soil for Terror». But the world news agencies try not to mention that many extremist and terrorist organizations which are banned in Russia operate freely in the West, first and foremost on the territory of the U.S. and its allies. So we'll fill in a few gaps…

While the mother of the Chechens suspected for the Boston bombings came right out and said that «they were set up by the FBI», European and American investigators noted Tamerlan Tsarnayev's participation in the CIA's secret «Georgian» program, which was aimed at destabilizing the Northern Caucasus, splitting that region of it away from Russia and bringing it into the sphere of influence of U.S. partners Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Bulgarian political scientist and expert in Arab studies V. Chukov, a professor at Sofia University, writes that «the Tarnayev brothers, who had received a scholarship from Cambridge College, were recruited by American and Saudi intelligence agencies». According to independent American journalist Wayne Madsen, in the first half of 2012 T. Tsarnayev visited CIA-sponsored seminars in Georgia, held under the auspices of the Jamestown Foundation, and it was this program, supported by Georgian authorities, that «helped radicalize Tsarnayev».

Here it's important to note that, however much the Georgian authorities may assure everyone that the «Chechen» part of its border is secure, it is from there that the terrorists in the Northern Caucasus have been receiving reinforcements in men and ammunition for the past 15 years or so. Russian counterintelligence has documented multiple contacts between the Georgian intelligence agency and Ministry of State Security and Chechen extremists and criminal leaders (the meetings took place in the village of Duisi) and the transmission of weapons to them. It is in Georgia that in February 2000 the ideologist of the Chechen terrorists, Movladi Udugov, met with the personal representative of Ben Laden to discuss the problem of transferring weapons, ammunition and men to Chechnya. 1500 of R. Gelayev's fighters were based in the Pankisi Gorge. At various times, the Chechen bandit leaders S. Raduyev, V. Arsanov and M. Udugov, who are on Interpol's international wanted list, have made appearances in Tbilisi. According to Russia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs, at that same time the «government of the Republic of Ichkeria» and a terrorist information center, which included up to 100 people, were also in the Georgian capital. Right in front of the Georgian authorities' noses, these organizations financed rebel groups, organized shipments of weapons and ammunition, treated wounded rebels, transported them to other countries, and engaged in propaganda in support of terrorists.

According to the Russian Ministry of Internal Affairs, over 60 international extremist organizations, about 100 foreign companies and 10 banking groups participate in providing financial, material and other assistance to the terrorists «touring» the Northern Caucasus. In the U.S. alone, almost 50 organizations are raising funds for the Northern Caucasian extremists. And this is not the entire list of the Chechen terrorists' accomplices in the U.S.; these organizations began sponsoring the rebels from the moment the bands led by Basayev and Khattab (the latter of which is known to be an emissary of Ben Laden, a staff member of the CIA, and a Canadian citizen who was stripped of his native Jordanian citizenship for his links to American intelligence agencies) invaded the territory of Dagestan.

The following groups are actively raising funds in the U.S.: the Muslim American Bar Association; the Islamic American Center, located in Washington; the Muslim American Council; Islamic Relief/Chechnya appeal, registered with the U.S. Department of State; Islamic City Relief; the Islamic-American Zakat Foundation (president I. Akhmadov); the Islamic Action Center; the Chechen-Ingush Society of America, also known as Chechen relief expenses, with a division called Chechen Relief (president Dr. Mohkammed Musa Shishani); the international Muslim organization Al-Ehsan Charitable Relief Organisation, with its headquarters in Washington; the International Relief Association in Michigan; Islamic Relief Worldwide in California; Mercy International, with its headquarters in Plymouth, Michigan; and the Benevolence International Foundation. In regard to the latter organization, it must be noted that when in January 2003 U.S. intelligence agencies found the head of the foundation, Syrian (or Albanian) American Enaam Arnaut, in the course of investigating sources of financing for Al Qaeda, he admitted that the foundation finances rebels in Chechnya and Bosnia; earlier, in October 2002, U.S. attorney general D. Ashcroft charged him with financing Ben Laden, but when Arnaut stated that the money was going to Chechen terrorists and not Ben Laden, Ashcroft...dropped all charges against him.

The following U.S. organizations also provide various support to Chechen extremists, constantly monitor the situation in Chechnya and conduct political campaigns «in support of the struggling people of Chechnya»: the American Muslim Council; the American Committee for peace in Chechnya; the American Friends Service Committee; and the Islamic Circle of North America.

The role of the organization American Muslim Assistance (AMA) deserves special mention. It is registered with the U.S. State Department, and its main task is «helping our Muslim brothers throughout the world». The director of AMA, Sheikh Hisham Muhammad Kabbani, who is also the chairman of the influential Islamic Supreme Council of America, chairman of the As-Sunna Foundation of America, and the founder and chairman of the Haqqani Islamic Trust for New Muslims, is known as the author of many works on Islam. AMA operates in the Northern Caucasus and conducts active propaganda to discredit the actions of the Russian authorities. AMA often acts under the cover of other Muslim organizations, in particular, the Islamic Supreme Council of America, which unites 15 million Muslims living in the U.S.

Active propaganda and political activity in the interests of Chechen separatists in the U.S. are also conducted by: the online company Amina Network, with an office in Washington; Human Assistance Development International, which has been in existence for 13 years; an Islamic information server for spreading the ideas of Chechen separatism and extremism on the Internet; and the public relations office of Ruder Finn, Inc. The Islamic Charity Foundation and the Council on American-Islamic Relations regularly organize media presentations in support of Chechen extremists, interact on a regular basis with many American analytical centers, and initiate hearings in the U.S. Congress, to which they actively invite consultants, experts and U.S. government advisors. Here we should also mention The American-Chechenian Friendship and Economic Association and Waterman Associates, Inc. (both of which are registered with the U.S. Department of Justice as «foreign agents») and Advantage Associates, Inc. (in an agreement this organization concluded with Aslan Maskhadov and the «ambassador of Ichkeria in the U.S.», Lema Osmurov, it was stipulated that Advantage Associates would put pressure on the U.S. government «in order to support the efforts of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria in winning its independence and seceding from Russia»).

It is also worth noting that the first instructors from the U.S. who acted in the guise of «servants of Islam» appeared in the ranks of Dzhokhar Dudayev's «Caucasian Army» in the 1990s. Shamil Basayev and his thugs received U.S. Army field uniforms, night-vision binoculars, and satellite telephones (brought by caravan from Turkey to southern Chechnya through Dagestan). Right before a series of major terrorist acts in Russia, ending in the Beslan tragedy, high-ranking U.S. officials on the level of the chairman of the Committee for International Relations of the House of Representatives, B. Gilman, met with «Minister of Foreign Affairs of the Republic of Ichkeria» I. Akhmadov, and this meeting was organized by then-famous «expert on Russia» Z. Brzhezinski…

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2 ... ngs-i.html

The Sponsors of «Chechen» Terrorism and the Boston Bombings (II)
Nikolai MALISHEVSKI | 08.05.2013 | 00:00


Part I

And here are some of the Chechen terrorists' European accomplices.

The following organizations are active in Great Britain: the London chapter of Vainakh; International Alert; Emigrant Movement; Info Software 2000 Ltd; the Islamic Education Centre; the Islamic League, whose members once organized the beating of Russian television correspondents and openly called for the killing of Russians in Chechnya; Islamic Relief, headquartered in Birmingham, UK and in the U.S. and headed by Gani al-Bani, the son of a participant in an attempt to assassinate Egyptian president Abdel Nasser and a friend of Aslan Maskhadov (according to some reports, the leadership of Islamic Relief is monitored and financed by British intelligence); and HALO Trust, an international charitable organization headquartered in Great Britain, which trained landmine specialists for Chechen rebel groups. Officially, HALO Trust was supposed to help remove mines from the territory of Chechnya. A number of organization members who were active in Russia testified after being detained that since 1997 they had trained over a hundred terrorist bomb technicians. In addition, HALO Trust was a cover for secret agents conducting full-scale topographic reconnaissance of the territory of Chechnya and tying towns into the NATO coordinate system.

At one time the Central Command of the Armed Forces of Russia officially accused Great Britain and France of allowing military bases for training mercenaries and terrorists to exist on their territories. The head mufti of Great Britain, Abu Hamza, declared jihad on Russia after the beginning of armed hostilities in Chechnya and openly announced that he was training volunteers to be sent to the Northern Caucasus (in the 2000s, according to some reports, an average of 40 terrorists a week were being sent there through London). One of Ben Laden's allies is also operating in Great Britain: British subject Abu Haliza al-Masri, the publisher of the bulletin Al-Ansar. His organization is one of the top ten most dangerous terrorist organizations in the world. Al-Masri fought in Afghanistan, and in autumn 1999 he condoned the explosions in Moscow in a sermon in one of London's mosques.

In Germany the most active friends of terrorism include: the Chechen Emigrant Center in Munich; the Chechen diaspora of the FRG; Gerbera; the Humanitarian Aid Organization; the Kres Company, which was an oil partner of Dudayev's thugs and supported Dzhokhar Dudayev's eldest son Avlur financially during his life abroad; and the German-Caucasian Society, officially engaged in «strengthening cultural ties with former Soviet republics», which became the center of a scandal when facts about its participation in training Chechen bomb specialists were published.

Mercenaries from Germany actively participated in armed conflicts in Chechnya on the side of the terrorists (for example, 25-year-old Thomas Fischer). The Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs made protests to the German embassy in Moscow in connection with «guests» from Chechnya taking mine technician training courses in Germany. Despite the protests, the German organization «Help», through which the Chechen rebels were receiving mine technician training, and the organization «German Assistance» immediately gave the Chechen terrorists over 8.5 million marks for propaganda and other purposes.

Poland holds the most radical position among European states with regard to supporting Chechen separatism. The harshly anti-Russian speeches of its representatives in international organizations and the creation of organizations supporting separatist elements on its territory have encouraged the propaganda of the ideas of the Chechen terrorists in other European countries. In 1995 a Chechen Information Center, established using funds from the Solidarity Trade Union, was opened in Krakow. Organizations such as the Poland-Chechnya Committee, the Polish Humanitarian Initiative, the International Islamic Rescue Organization, etc. raised millions of dollars under the guise of humanitarian aid to Chechnya. Through its branches in Poland, the Amnesty International USA Mid-Atlantic regional office and the American branch of the Helsinki Watch Committee transferred funds from the U.S. to the «representatives of Chechnya» in Krakow.

Other European organizations noted for financing, nurturing and providing informational support to Chechen terrorists include: the Albanian organizations MAK-Albania, VakefiIslamik and Al-Haramain; the Bulgarian organizations Movement for Rights and Freedoms and the Supreme Muslim Council; the Bosnian Muslim Bosnian Youth Organization, Oil Travnik plant, Baddar Bosna factory, Bosnian and Herzegovinian Information and Documentations Agency, and camp for training rebels of the so-called El-Mudzahid Islamic Brigade, famous for its brutality during the Balkan War (it operated in the Bosnian village of Bocina, of which the «peacekeepers» from the U.S. were well aware); Doctors without Borders, an international organization officially financed by the government of Holland and unnamed sponsors (after the kidnapping of an employee who has nothing to do with medicine, U.S. citizen Kenneth Gluck, it turned out that the organization helps more than just medical personnel to get to «hot spots»); the Danish Council on Refugees, the Norwegian Council on Displaced Persons, the Finno-Russian Civil Forum, and, of course, the information infrastructure of Chechen terrorists operating in Finland.

The Finnish media has noted that Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnayev received instructions through the site «Caucasus Center», which migrated from Sweden to Helsinki and acted as a mouthpiece for terrorist Doku Umarov, called the «Russian Osama Ben Laden» in the West. «Caucasus Center» has a large number of servers in the U.S. It is banned in a number of countries, but that doesn't hinder it from operating under the protection of individuals who took part in the Beslan massacre and are wanted by Interpol on charges of committing especially dangerous crimes. «Caucasus Center» is still under the protection of high-ranking officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, the Ministry of Development and the Migration Service of Finland, which have granted asylum to many former rebels...

After the Boston bombings, analysts do not rule out the possibility of another show being put on of shutting down “Caucasus Center” in Finland (as was once done with the Swedish friends of terrorism who passed the baton to the Finns) and moving it to the territory of one of the Baltic states, which have been more and more insistently offering their services as subcontractors for the Western «Caucasian» projects. Thus, it is worth remembering that the terrorists have a protector in the Latvian Saeima, which supports a branch of the Vainakh Society at the expense of the state - the Group for the Support of Free Chechnya. Bandits who boast of killing Russians are granted Latvian citizenship and media exposure (see, for example, «The Chechen Trophies of Musa from Jelgava», published by Latvian journalists). Many Chechen terrorists have undergone special training in Latvia through the Lynx commando battalion under the command of Aivar Zhilinski and the special division under the command of Lieutenant Colonel Kuskis. This collaboration was sanctioned by Latvian Minister of Internal Affairs Z. Cevers, who has been accused several times of having criminal contacts with the Chechen mafia.

Staff members of the Lithuanian intelligence agencies - the Territorial Defense Department and the Department of State Security - have also been caught communicating with terrorists. For example, Russian counterintelligence caught a Lithuanian instructor of Chechens, Sosnovskis, who turned out to be an employee of the Territorial Defense Department. At the same time, contacts between Chechen criminal groups and Lithuanian intelligence were discovered in Russia; intelligence officer Vaitenkus was covering drug industry operations conducted jointly with the Chechens. Estonian banks have given financial assistance to terrorists. The transactions were managed personally by former Prime Minister M. Laar...

All of the facts cited in this article are only the tip of the iceberg, but they provide sufficient evidence to draw a conclusion as to who is really guilty of nurturing the phenomenon called «Chechen terrorism», which has now caused the Boston bombings and the shedding of the blood of ordinary Americans.

http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2 ... gs-ii.html

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I have not the faintest clue what you think you are talking about. (This is what I get when I actually do reply to your posts point-by-point.

If you mean a dialogue not a monologue, yes, it is.

What I'm talking about is this:

Is it his corpse or isn't it? What convenience apart from sparing you the trouble of committing to one or the other is being afforded to whom here, exactly? And how is it more convenient than the fully available option of just shipping the maybe-dead, maybe-living bodies of (whomever you think they belong to) to Gitmo and refusing to say another word about it would have been?

It's interesting to hear you admit that such openly fascist options are already readily available in the USA.

My mistake. It was the "openly" you bolded. ***

Why did you find it interesting that I openly stated something I openly state whenever the issue arises, including in a post addressed to you on this thread recently?

What have I ever said that suggested I wouldn't?

Chapter and verse.
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***Or italicized. But whatever. Highlighted.

[compared2what?]

I also have some outstanding questions about what made going to all that trouble convenient for the spooks, wrt what unfilled need it addressed.

I don't know. You would have to ask them. I am not a spook. I can only guess.

You appear to be presuming that spooks always address "unfilled needs" and always carry out perfectly-plotted plans perfectly, as opposed to responding managerially on an ad hoc basis to whatever fuck-ups or unexpected eventualities occur from one day to the next, which is what I presume.

Actually, I was presuming that the words

How convenient. How predictable.

meant that you perceived a convenience to them that was predictable in light of something somewhat more fully plotted out in detail than the usual old managerial response to ad hoc events. At least speculatively. Because there haven't been any publicly reported events the most convenient ad hoc response to which would be corpse concealment, afaik.

Hence, my questions about what you had in mind, precisely.

[MacCruiskeen]

1. It is convenient to spooks that corpses they tell stories about do not get examined by independent third parties, least of all by the next of kin.

2. It was predictable (therefore) that that particular corpse would never be independently examined by the next of kin or by anyone else.

Perfectly obvious, I would have thought. But there it is, spelt out for you again again. Let me know if anything's still unclear. (A war of attrition appears to be your idea of dialogue.)

[Jerky]

I think you might be mistaken MacC. This cop wasn't killed, just wounded. And I recall well before yesterday the story that he'd fallen to friendly fire.

The article is from yesterday and well worth posting - so thanks, C_w. That is at least one murder the brothers turn out not, after all, to have committed.

Love the title (emphasis added):

The New Truth About the Cop Shot in Watertown: Friendly-Fire in a Getaway

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national ... hot/64953/

[MacCruiskeen]

Mea culpa, Jerky. I was just correcting the post when you posted.

The title of the new article alone is enought to make it well worth posting. I wonder what other New Truths will "emerge" to replace the obsolete Old Truths of the past month.

[Canadian_watcher]

i thought someone might appreciate that headline. it's Orwellian - almost straight out of the book.

[Jerky]

Yes, "New Truth" does have a certain ring to it, doesn't it?

Not to worry, MacC. I was also confused about what the article was saying until I clicked and read the story.

i thought someone might appreciate that headline. it's Orwellian - almost straight out of the book.