Fahmy is asked what all this equipment is for. He answers that none of it belongs to him or to his friend, and that it's all the property of Al-Jazeera English, for the use of their technicians and cameramen. The investigator asks him who are these technicians and cameramen, and he doesn't answer. The investigator asks him if he knows who they are, and he answers, "Yes, of course," and insists that they are fully licensed to operate and are registered as such with the authorities. He's asked what their names are, and he doesn't answer. He just repeats that they have legal identification issued by the Ministry of Media Affairs. The investigator asks again, "So, who are they?" No answer.
Another investigator asks him, "When you conduct an interview at night, aren't the cameramen supposed to be present?" He answers, "We never conduct interviews here." The investigator asks, "And all these lights set up here, and all this..." Fahmy interrupts and contradicts his own previous statement, "Yes, we have interviews here in the room." The investigator repeats, "So you do have interviews in this room. Who did you interview most recently?" Then Fahmy contradicts himself once again, and says, "We don't interview anyone inside, here in the room. We interview people on the street. We don't bring people here and interview them in the room. You understand what I mean?" The investigator asks him, "But what about all this equipment set up, ready to film? You set it all up here and then bring it into the street?" Fahmy says, "That's for the correspondent, for when he's talking." The investigator asks, "Who is this correspondent?" He answers, "I am, and the man sitting next to me (referring to Peter Greste)." The investigator asks, "Who is he?" Fahmy answers, "Peter." The investigator asks, "Mr. Peter?" Fahmy answers, "Yes."
The first investigator asks, "So, who was the last person you interviewed?" Fahmy says, "Uhhhhh...." waving his hand around. Then he says, "We didn't interview anyone here, in this room." The investigator asks, "So, who did you interview?" He answers, "We filmed a lot of things, a whole lot of things. Uhhhhhhh....the funeral of Fouad Negm, for example." (a famous poet who died several months ago). He waves his hand again. "We filmed a whole lot of things. We film on a daily basis."
GapFahmy says, "We don't receive a monthly salary." The investigator asks, "[You get paid for] each program you send in...?" Fahmy interrupts, "No, we don't get paid for specific programs." The investigator: "So you conduct interviews, and then you get paid for each interview." Fahmy says, "No." The investigator asks, "How do you get paid?" Fahmy answers, "In any company like 'Dream' or 'ONtv' (well-known independent Egyptian tv networks), there's something called a 'collaborator'. You get a payment for work. You get paid every month. It's like a salary." The investigator says, "So, as payment for each interview you conduct, each program you do, you get paid a certain sum." Fahmy nods. The investigator asks, "Is this sum fixed or variable?" He answers, "It's fixed. I mean, it's not... But to a certain extent, it's fixed."
The investigator asks, "Who bought you all this equipment you have upstairs?" Fahmy answers, "It belongs to the channel, not to me." The investigator: "And your hotel room, who pays for it?" He answers, "The channel. I mean, the channel pays, not me." The investigator: "But why are you staying in a hotel room, why aren't you operating out of a studio or a rental elsewhere?" Fahmy answers, "Personally, (garbled) working there." The investigator asks, "Why did they choose a hotel for you to work out of?" Fahmy shrugs, then says, "It could be any hotel." The investigator says, "Yes, but why a hotel? Why not a studio? Why not a rental property somewhere?" Fahmy lowers his voice confidently, and says, "I used to work for CNN, and I've worked for many, many channels. Any channel works out of the Semiramis Hotel, the Marriott Hotel, the Novotel..." The investigator responds, "That's if there's a specific news event to be covered. But complete residency in a hotel, and based on what you've said, you film your programs completely on the street and don't need the hotel room for filming." Fahmy says, "It's a place of work, nothing more." The investigator asks, "So if it's a place of work, why a hotel room, why not rent studio space or office space?" Fahmy says, "As a matter of fact, we are indeed looking for place to rent." The investigator asks, "How long have you been residing in this hotel?" Fahmy answers, "Three months." The investigator asks, "And in three months, you haven't found a place to rent?" Fahmy answers, "No, we've been looking." Then he smiles and points to himself, "Not me, the channel. I'm an employee."
The investigator asks, "Who deals directly with you from Al-Jazeera?" He answers, waving his hand vaguely, "The management." The investigator asks, "Who in the management?" Fahmy says, "The management in Qatar." The investigator repeats, "The management in Qatar." Then the investigator continues, "Who from the management in Qatar? Like who and who?" Fahmy gets a really fake bewildered expression on his face and says, "Managers." The investigator, beginning to sound exasperated, asks, "What are their names?"
Then someone comes in (clearly a high-level officer) and interrupts off-camera asking Fahmy if he has a filming permit. Fahmy answers, "Me, personally, me?" The officer says, "Yes." Fahmy says, "The channel has ID cards, not Al-Jazeera Arabic or Direct..." The officer interrupts him, "Did you get an ID card issued by the Journalism Center?" Fahmy asks, "Me?" The officer answers, "Yes." Fahmy says, "I did have one." The officer asks, "You did?" Fahmy says, "I did." The officer asks, "Have you renewed it?" Fahmy answers, "No, not yet." The officer asks, "How long as it been expired?" Fahmy answers, "I don't remember. But it's been a long time. It was from the time I was with CNN. They issued it for me. If you go there, you'll find it. When I left CNN, they took it back. Now I've been with Al-Jazeera for exactly three months."
The first investigator asks, "When was the last time you were in Qatar?" Fahmy looks around, as though trying hard to remember, then answers, "In September, when I went for the job interview." The first investigator asks, "That's the only time?" Fahmy says yes. The investigator asks, "And from Qatar did you go first to Turkey or come directly here?" Fahmy says, "No, I came directly here from Qatar, and started working right away." The investigator repeats, "You started working right away." Then he asks, "And do you get paid through a bank, or does someone come here and pay you?" Fahmy answers, "Through a bank." The investigator asks, "And when they pay the hotel bills, do they pay, or do you pay and send them the bills?" Fahmy answers, "No, they pay." The investigator asks, "So do they send someone to pay the bills?" Fahmy says, "They send an employee." The investigator asks, "An employee from the channel? He comes and settles the bill?" Fahmy nods yes. The investigator asks, "And who is this employee?" Fahmy says, "The one who's in charge of the accounts." The investigator asks, "What's his name?" Fahmy waves his hand and finally answers, "Mustafa." The investigator asks, "Mustafa what?" Fahmy says, "Mustafa," then mumbles something that sounds like "Awa".
The investigator says, "The reason I ask, is that I want to corroborate what you're saying. I need the name and contact details of someone whom I can ask if what you're telling us is true." Fahmy answers loudly this time, and says, "Mustafa Hawa." The investigator asks, "Where is his office? Where is he?" Fahmy says, "No, I've never been in Al-Jazeera's offices. Al-Jazeera's offices are near the museum, near the Ramses Hilton. That's their headquarters. I've never been there." The investigator says, "Yes, that's their headquarters. And is that where this Mustafa works?" Fahmy says, "I have no idea." The investigator asks, "So how do you deal with him?" Fahmy answers, "He comes here and pays the bills." The investigator asks, "So, you phone him and tell him, 'come and pay,' and he comes." Fahmy answers, "Yes." Then he pauses, and says, "It's not me. I'm just a correspondent." The investigator asks, "Do you have a phone number for this Mustafa?" Fahmy says, "Sure, of course." Then he added something I didn't understand, "And besides, the (something) brought him in before, for three days."
The investigator continued, "When you file a story, how do you send it?" Fahmy said, "By internet." The investigator said, "We found two devices here: one that delivers data via the internet, and the other delivers data via the telephone." Fahmy nods yes. The investigator asks, "Which one do you use to upload your stories?" Fahmy says, "No, not me. I don't know anything about how to use them. (Imitating a sock-puppet in a "talking" gesture): I'm just a correspondent. I don't know anything about technicalities. When they were asking me upstairs, I told them I have no idea what they're connected to or anything like that."
The second investigator, who's been pretty much silent throughout the interrogation then asks, "So who adjusts your cameras?" Fahmy answers, "There's a team. A cameraman, some young men, that's their job." The second investigator asks, "Do you sell your work to Al-Jazeera only, or also to the BBC?" Fahmy answers, "No. I worked with CNN for three years. Then I worked for big channels....NBC, then I wrote some articles...." The second investigator asks, "Who else do you give your work to, other than Al-Jazeera?" Fahmy answers, "No, at the current time, there's nobody else." The second investigator asks, "Is Peter a news correspondent?" Fahmy answers, "Yes." The second investigator asks, "What's his name?" Fahmy answers, "Peter Greste." The second investigator: "And what sort of things do you film?" Fahmy says, "Anything and everything." The second investigator: "Here in the room?" Fahmy says, "Here, we just film the news correspondent." The second investigator asks, "When was the last time you filmed in the street?" Fahmy: "Today. Today there was a bombing in Sharqeya." The second investigator: "And did you go to film it?" Fahmy says, "No, we didn't go to film it. We buy pictures from Reuters and broadcast them, then we go on-camera and say, "The Interior Ministry told us such-and-such, and the Ministry of Health told us such-and-such, and...that's all."
The second investigator: "What else have you covered besides the bombing in Sharqeya?" Fahmy answers, "Mansoura, the same thing." (The Central Security Headquarters in Mansoura was bombed last winter). The second investigator: "You didn't go to film?" Fahmy, "No, not at all. At all." The second investigator asks, "So what are these small cameras for?" Fahmy answers, "The small cameras are there, but we didn't go to film in Mansoura, and we didn't..." The second investigator interrupts him, "You just go into the street and film ordinary people." Fahmy: "Uhhhhhh, yes." The second investigator asks, "And does Peter have any license, any kind of official document that identifies him as a news correspondent?" The first investigator says, "I've already checked with the Department, and he doesn't have any permit to work in Egypt." Fahmy nods. The first investigator continues, "And neither do you." Fahmy says, "Uhhhhh....we've applied, but we haven't received anything yet." The first investigator, "Is there anybody who works with you who does have a permit and is registered?" Fahmy says, "Yes, the cameraman." The first investigator asks, "Who is he?" Fahmy answers, "Omar and Mahdi." The first investigator sounds exasperated, "Omar who? I need a proper full name." Fahmy says, "Omar Mohamed." The investigator asks, "Omar Mohamed what?" (In Egypt, people are officially identified by three names: their first name, their father's first name and their grandfather's first name.) Fahmy says, "I don't know." The second investigator asks, "Mahdi who?" Fahmy answers, "Mahdi El-Anani. He and Omar have valid permits, they've been in the business for 30 years here. They're very respectable people, they've worked with ????? and Gohar (a well-known owner of a satellite news up-link company), very respectable people like that, and there's nothing bad about them." The second investigator asks, "You have SNG cameras?" Fahmy pretends he doesn't understand. The first investigator repeats, "You have
SNG equipment?" This time Fahmy doesn't hesitate; he rather vehemently says, "No, not at all, at all."
The first investigator asks, "Did you ever happen to go down to the street to film demonstrations or marches at any universities, so you could cover the stories for your news reports?" Fahmy answers, "No. We take it from Reuters, or AP or any channel that is subscribed with them. They go down and do the filming and then you find all the channels broadcasting the same images. Everybody gets it from them. We take the material, we write our own copy, and then we broadcast it. We don't go out ourselves and film." The second investigator asks, "And you comment about the events?" Fahmy nods yes. "So, what's Peter's job?" Fahmy answers, "The same thing. Sometimes (a loud phone rings, covering his words)." The second investigator: "So you have other correspondents here?" Fahmy answers, "At this time, no."
The second investigator asks him conversationally, "Why didn't you get proper permits and documentation when you came to work here?" Fahmy answers, "I've been working for Al-Jazeera for three months, and during that time I asked Al-Jazeera on numerous occasions to make sure that I'm working legally, according to Egyptian law, and each time they assured me that everything was perfectly in order, and that they'd never let me work for them if it wasn't." The second investigator says, "In any case, we're here with a warrant issued by the Prosecutor-General's office, and you've been present during the search of these premises. Mr. Peter has also been present during the whole time. Any evidence we've gathered will be handed over to the Prosecutor-General, who will examine it and ask you further questions. It's really up to them to determine what's right and what's wrong. If we've made a mistake, we will thank you for your trouble and you'll be on your way."