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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby compared2what? » Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:32 pm

Polyamory has never worked out well for anyone who commits to it formally as a creed in the long run that I've ever seen. I suppose it's possible though.

Also, as I already said about three million pages ago: Per all research ever done on the damn subject, pornography just doesn't have any very singular or significant impact on behavior or values or health or anything else on a society-wide or broadly cultural level in and of itself. Of any kind. Cultures that have a generally benign social attitude toward sex and sexuality have fewer problems than cultures that have a specific and doctrinaire social attitude toward sex and sexuality. Irrespective of whether the doctrine is proscriptive or prescriptive.

Brekin, I don't see the point in going around in circles with you anymore. Which is not to say that it wasn't pleasant while it lasted. We just don't agree with one another about anything that's properly within the scope of the topic.

So I have no response to your post other than to thank you for correcting my careless error. That was my bad, and I'm indebted to you for pointing it out.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby barracuda » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:09 pm

compared2what? wrote:Also, as I already said about three million pages ago: Per all research ever done on the damn subject, pornography just doesn't have any very singular or significant impact on behavior or values or health or anything else on a society-wide or broadly cultural level in and of itself


Oh yeah, I do vaguely recall you mentioning something about that early on. But that was back in the heady, halcyon days of the thread, when the air was fresh, my liver was young, and the possibilities seemed endless, long before Michael E. Smith's Dominating Your Libido took on it's benchmark role as the fervent thrust of the conversation. So, credit where credit is due: you got firsties.

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby 82_28 » Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:24 pm

Speaking of Michael Smiths, last I saw this guy was at Haggard's church.

There is no me. There is no you. There is all. There is no you. There is no me. And that is all. A profound acceptance of an enormous pageantry. A haunting certainty that the unifying principle of this universe is love. -- Propagandhi
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:42 pm

O.K. I see you guys don't rest on the weekend and have sunk back into consensus. :) I agree it has been fun while it has lasted (although was I called an extreme tea-bagger a few posts back?) I just wanted to file this minority report for anyone who was interested in Libido Dominandi. If not interested skip it.

I'll take it down in a day or so because it is probably breaking copyright. Also if someone disagrees with parts of it I'll let someone else take the mantle. Maybe you should email the author? I'm done defending books people haven't read.

Also the chapter pertaining to this thread in The Brain That Changes Itself most of it is available on Google books starting at page 102.
http://books.google.com/books?id=Qw7qj5 ... &q&f=false

This chapter I thought touches on some of the things we were talking about except the book coming out in 1999 internet porn is just beginning to ramp up.

Warning: Very Triggering Content

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby JackRiddler » Sun Jun 06, 2010 8:52 pm

brekin wrote:(although was I called an extreme tea-bagger a few posts back?)]


No, you weren't. I compared your stance on this thread and the way its resulting orientation around you to how tea-baggers affect politics. (By presenting a supposedly revolutionary extreme that others find absurd, they serve to hide more important nuances and conflicts. They're like a recruitment agency for the status quo.)

In light of that, the following may seem ironic:

Thanks for those scans! If you do this much work in delivering stuff that barely interests me, I become much likelier to read it. In fact, I will and I'll get back to you. As it's a small part of the book, properly attributed, you should leave it up unless the author objects. In practice, it's fair use for not being commercial on your part and more likely to promote sales than prevent them (very unlikely in either case).
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shaking the tree

Postby IanEye » Sun Jun 06, 2010 9:51 pm

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changing your ways - changing those surrounding you

changing your ways - more than one man can do

open your heart - show him the anger & pain - so we heal

maybe he's looking for his womanly side...


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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby JackRiddler » Sat Jun 19, 2010 1:24 pm

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:20 pm

Jack, love the cartoon.

Been doing some research on Japanese murderers lately and have found some pretty crazy
material that inspired them or were "facilitators" for their maladies. Some of these people were
probably already lost before they encountered this material and both seemed to see it before puberty which
was interesting. I'm not arguing this material "caused" anything (seems rather tame actually) but thought people would
find it interesting where they originally got the idea of their fixations.

Hiroshi Maeue
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiroshi_Maeue
Hiroshi Maeue (前上 博, Maeue Hiroshi?, August 8, 1968 - July 28, 2009), aka "Suicide Website Murderer", was a Japanese serial killer, who lured his victims via the internet and killed three people in 2005.

Maeue suffered from a paraphilic psychosexual disorder which translated into being unable to achieve sexual release absent of performing an act of strangulation.[1]
Crimes

Maeue entered the Kanazawa Institute of Technology, where he assaulted and strangled his male friend. He dropped out in 1988. Later, he was arrested for assault after beating and attempting to asphyxiate a male associate in 1995. After settling out of court, he was released but fired. In 2001, he was arrested once more for the attempted asphyxiation of two women, and sentenced to one year in prison, 3 years suspended sentence. Released early for good behavior, he was rearrested for attempting to asphyxiate a junior high school boy, for which he was sentenced to 1 year and 10 months imprisonment.
[edit] Suicide website murders

Maeue murdered three people after his release in 2005; he was convicted of killing a 14-year-old boy, a 25-year-old woman, and a 21-year-old man, all of whom were members of an online suicide club. He lured his victims by suggesting they meet and end their lives together by committing suicide via a charcoal burner in a sealed car. After a brief conversation, however, he would strangle them with his bare hands. This brought him sexual pleasure, and he later claimed he developed his desire to kill this way after reading of similar events in a mystery novel as a child. All three of his victims were killed within a span of four months.
[edit] Trial and death

In his trial, prosecutors called Maeue a "lust murderer."[2] On March 28, 2007, a district court in Osaka sentenced him to death by hanging. Although his defence team launched an appeal, he accepted the judgment of the court and expressed a willingness to pay for his crimes with his life, retracting his protest in July 5, 2007.

On July 28, 2009, Hiroshi Maeue was hanged.

Killing in the Classroom: The Nevada Tan Story


The watching world recoiled in June 2001 as news of a former Janitor at Ikeda elementary school, in a suburb Osaka, 250 miles west of Tokyo, went berserk and stormed that very building, armed with a kitchen knife. The 39-year-old, who had a long history of mental illness, rampaged through the schoolyard and classrooms, slashing away at as many children as he could lay his hands on. He had managed to stab eight of them to death before he was brought to ground. The Judge presiding over the trial of Mamoru Takuma wasted little time in sentencing him to death by hanging, choosing to reject his defence of insanity and instead finding him entirely culpable of committing the murders of seven girls and a boy aged between six and eight, who had cowered in their classrooms during his onslaught.

Takuma had also attacked a number of other people that fateful day, injuring thirteen more small children, and two teachers. The judge, at Osaka District Court, had no qualms about sentencing this man to death, just as Takuma himself had felt no compunction about massacring his way through Ikeda Elementary. Indeed, the convicted killer had even informed the court that he would have killed more had he had the forethought to carry out his spree upon a local kindergarten. Without any obvious displays of remorse, and suffering from a long term schizophrenic condition, Takuma was hauled out of the public eye, by guards, to await his fate. Japan was faced with the fallout from yet another example of extreme violence in its school system.

1 June 2004, a Tuesday, saw the emergence of another terrifying attack on a young person, at her school, only this time, rather than some deranged, socially inadequate adult, her killer was one of her peers, both having attended Sasebo Elementary School, in Nagasaki Prefecture.

That day, an 11-year-old girl calmly approached her classmate, pretty 12-year-old Satomi Mitarai, and unleashed an explosion of violence against her, with a knife. Her throat and arms slashed, the girl slumped to the floor, instantly losing consciousness from massive blood loss. She died later that day. Her killer, known for legal reasons only as ‘Girl A’, later dubbed on the internet as ‘Nevada’, left her to die, returning to her homeroom, covered in Satomi’s blood, to greet her shocked teacher and classmates.

The story, unsurprisingly made headline splashes across the globe. Nobody could comprehend how this child had reached the point where she was able to methodically butcher a school friend. It came as a huge shock undoubtedly, a grisly homicide, the likes of which could have easily been consigned to any number of gory ‘slasher’ movies. Indeed, as it transpired, this little girl had quite a predilection for such dubious entertainment. Her fascination with such, was just one of the factors which led her to act upon the immature fantasies she had developed, most of which revolved around killing.

At her trial, Nevada was quickly sentenced and placed in a Juvenile facility where allegedly she will languish until at least 2013. The grisly nature of her crime, and the constant media notoriety it gained, indelibly marred the psyches of those around her, perhaps forever, and her story did not end with her incarceration. Rather, her actions that day in June would spawn an internet following. Dark, perverse, but not altogether impossible to understand, given today's online climate.

Tucked within the recesses of the vast Japanese realm of the world wide web, a photograph, depicting a school class, was posted. Two of the girls in the picture are instantly identifiable. On the far left, stands a young girl, grinning broadly, wearing spectacles and a green sweatshirt. It is Satomi Mitarai, and the obviously delighted child is presenting a triumphant victory finger-sign to the camera. Beside her is another girl, lacking all the joy and vitality of her glossy haired classmate. This girl has a strange, unreadable expression on her face. Like a spirit in a ghostly portrait, a dark harbinger of things to come, this child will one day be the beaming girl’s executioner.

The enduring image of an outwardly normal-looking pre-teen, clutching a box-cutting knife, with murder in her heart, has scored a deep groove in the communal consciousness of the internet. Stories, detailing Nevada’s crime, were later posted within online forums across Europe, the United States, and Asia. Especially in Japan, with its steady undercurrent of horror movies and creation of extremely graphic and often sexually violent cartoon imagery, where this kind of killer culture is keenly embraced, Nevada became an instant focus of attention. One day an online cartoon character would even be based upon her. It did not take long for this juvenile murderer to be assigned the moniker of ‘Nevada-tan’; the ‘-tan’ aspect used to connote that of a young child’s pronunciation of the honorific - chan, one presumes.

The police investigation into the shocking murder of Satomi Mitarai, and the background of her young slayer, revealed that Nevada was at least initially a relatively normal child with no overt history of bad behaviour, let alone a propensity for violence. It was noted that she had a keen interest in horror films and any other form of entertainment which featured murder and mayhem, from TV shows to comic books. A particular favourite of hers is the Japanese cult 2000 Kinjt Fukasaku smash ‘Battle Royale,’ where a bunch of ninth grade students are taken to a tiny, remote island and handed a map, food and various weapons, then made to hunt and kill each other in ways that would have had the lads of The Lord Of The Flies, running for cover. This movie, though exceptionally popular the world over, was also voraciously consumed by the impressionable Nevada.

Another of her favourite movies is ‘Voice’. This is a film that charts the descent of a girl, who goes insane and embarks upon a savage killing spree. Though Nevada enjoyed a diet of such violent films at this time, it seems as though she at least had another outlet - basketball. However, after being forced out of her team, at the behest of her mother, to focus on improving her school grades, Nevada elected to retreat further into her fantasy world of death, becoming surly with her parents and those around her. The lures of the internet had started to overtake all else. She began collecting ‘flash’ horror movies, on a web site she had started, and would frequent many violent sites, constantly searching for bloodier fodder. She would regularly access a site, viewed by this author, that features a short story titled ‘The Red Room,’ in which a boy is slashed to death. There is a warning on the opening page, advising that those with a ‘weak heart’ should steer clear.

Concentrating as much of her time as was possible, on the internet, and regarding the real world as superfluous, she attempted to induce other web visitors to join her site and share in her domain by commencing her own ‘blog’ - a kind of live-journal, or diary - detailing her interests, and even regaling those that came and cared to see, with gruesome stories and cooking recipes.


The following extract appeared on the web site - now removed - run by Nevada:

Birthday
21 November 1992
Blood type
A (In Japan, blood type is said to determine fate, like a horoscope.)
Hobbies
Watching movies
Favourite animal
Cat
Favourite sport
Basketball
Favourite music
(No answer given)
What do you treasure?
That's a se*cr*et!

Also worthy of note is her interest in a TV horror series called ‘Monday Mystery Theatre’ in which a number of unfortunate victims are brutally dispatched with box-cutters. Nevada, later threatened a boy with one of these. Ten days after the incident, she led Satomi Mitarai into an empty classroom, covered her eyes, and slit the girls throat.

In time, Nevada would rejoin the school basketball team, but soon found herself an outcast, excluded as she was from their activities. Bewildered and frustrated, Nevada sought instant refuge on her computer, writing in her blog at this time "I don't really like to play with my friends."

Satomi Mitarai was once a close friend of Nevada. They were in an art class together, played basketball together, shared a group diary, and often passed notes on an internet ‘home page’ bulletin board. However, Nevada became her mortal enemy after Satomi made the gross error of slighting her about her physical appearance, and utilising her online journal to do it. Nevada, chastened by the perceived insult, coming from someone she regarded as a friend, demanded an apology. Satomi refused, instead branding the girl “pretentious.” The final straw came when Mitarai typed another message, commenting on Nevada’s weight. This marked her for death. The message was posted four days before she was murdered.

Satomi Mitarai was slashed to death by 'Girl-A.'

The day of the killing, the girls’ teacher said she first noticed something unusual when the two had been missing from class. Before beginning a search for them however, Nevada returned, her hands and clothing spattered with Mitarai’s blood. After the police were called, Nevada confessed to the murder, sobbing "I have done a bad thing."

She later explained, under questioning, that her relationship with Mitarai had curdled after the hurtful and humiliating remarks the latter, more attractive girl, had made about her during exchanges in internet chat rooms. Inevitably the Japanese media were later to question the dangers inherent in this form of interpersonal communication. Similar to text messaging, this method of conversing with another person will not belie any nuances or subtleties, or give precise indication of their manner, or even mood, and as a result, intentions can be misread and animosity burgeons as a result of one person misconstruing the actual intent of the other participant.

Describing the event that day to police, Nevada stated; “She wrote something bad about my appearance several times on the Net a few days before the incident. I didn't like that, so I called her [to a class room] and slashed her neck after getting her to sit on a chair.”

Revealing that the murder had been premeditated, she took investigators through the planning and preparation she had made. She told how she had been inspired to use the small knife after seeing the method used in one of her favoured television shows. “I saw that drama,” she stated, “ I thought I'd do it that way.”


In the aftermath of the killing, Nevada had expressed remorse, going so far as to openly question her inexplicable actions. “I wonder why I did it. If I thought and acted properly it wouldn’t have happened. I would like to apologise.”

A psychiatric test found her to be suffering from no effects of any recognized mental disorder.

The sudden outward alteration to Nevada’s behavior sparked concerns that the problem may be broader. Once again, the internet became the prime target:

“Over a computer ... you can’t see the person’s face, so it’s easier to use increasingly violent language. If that's the case, it's an incident that reflects a pathology of society in the age of the Internet,” declared the Tokyo Shimbun, a major metropolitan newspaper.

Other national papers covered stories about the surging use of the internet by children, reporting via the Telecommunications ministry, that in Japan, 62 percent of children between the ages of 6 and 12 have internet access. The gruesome crime committed by Nevada cast a pall over the emphasis on technology, primarily within schools.

“What children need most is to be able to piece together real things and real experiences,” wrote Hisashi Sonoda, an internet crime expert at Konan University.

“We must make children understand even more the basic importance of life,” the Yomiuri Newspaper said in an editorial.

Although Japan is still reportedly one of the safest developed nations in the world, youth crime has dramatically increased there in recent years. In fact, the number of children under 14 committing serious crimes in 2003 rose to 212, a 47 percent increase on the previous year. Youth crime in Japan has been a source of much concern, since a horrific incident which took place in 1997, in which a 14-year-old lad murdered an 11-year-old, placing the boy’s severed head outside the gates of the school they both attended.

This nudged Japan’s parliament a step in the right direction to lower the age of criminal responsibility from 16 to 14. In 2002 a 12-year-old boy in Nagasaki was accused of the murder of a toddler, by pushing him from a roof top.

Nevada, who was too young to be punished under Japan’s Penal Code, was transferred to juvenile detention, before her case was determined in a family court.

This horrible crime, perpetrated by one so young, raised about as much sensation as could be expected, especially in media-frenzied Japan. It is another example of internet addiction leading to destruction. Not just one life, but two, in Nevada’s case, and not only did the power of the Net seclude her from what she should have been focusing on in her real, every day life, and feed her horror-orientated interests to dangerous proportions, it also helped turn her into some quasi-celebrity in the wake of her atrocity. There were many, who cruised the internet, looking for the latest piece of ‘fan art’ (illustrations) to do with young Nevada, or sought to join the most recent chat room discussion about her.

This tragic, lonely, 11-year-old killer was transformed into an online phenomenon. Perhaps as bold a statement regarding the perverse bent within the internet as one can make.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby barracuda » Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:01 pm

brekin, I don't get this post at all. For example, I doubt rather seriously that a psychopathic sex killer's deeds, in which he draws a value equivalence between his orgasm and the life of a human being, can be traced back to being in any way truly "inspired" by the reading of a childhood murder mystery novel. I don't see any point in taking the man's statement as truthful, or as that statement having any diagnostic or analytical usefulness whatsoever. Beyond that, the inclusion of all the material above into the context of this thread seems like a complete non-sequitor.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby compared2what? » Sat Jun 19, 2010 11:47 pm

Seconded. Because:

Neither case involves porn.

Neither killer developed a taste for something he or she wouldn't otherwise have been exposed to after seeing it on the internet.

Prior to the internet age, there were many, many sexually sadistic serial killers whose stories were, in all essential regards, identical to that of Hiroshi Maeue, except that they didn't use the internet to hook up with their victims since there was yet no internet. And there have been neither more nor fewer since that option became available.

As to the "Nevada" case, again, there wasn't any excess exposure to putatively mind-warping materials via online media, as far as I can tell. Apart from that, based on the story posted -- which is notably light on some pretty basically pertinent points, such as the happiness and/or unhappiness of Girl A's home and social life overall, btw -- what details there are line up pretty well with the very, very few other instances of apparently sociopathic child murderers of children of which I'm aware. Mary Bell, who killed two little boys on separate occasions when she was ten and eleven in the late 1960s, is probably the best known and almost certainly the most extensively written about such child, if you're interested in the phenomenon.

But it's very, very rare. And it's never been thought to be caused by exposure to violent media online or anywhere else. It is generally thought that exposure to actual violence or other extreme trauma in the home is probably a factor, though.

Although perhaps the potential analogy you saw wrt that one wasn't so much Nevada's use of the internet as it was her subsequent online cult stardom?

If so, unless and until there's a copycat crime, I don't see an analogy that supports the argument that the internet fucks people up in new or different or more extreme ways than anything that came before it at all.

Notorious killers whose gruesome crimes were major media events have always had cult followings and have also always been especially fascinating to large numbers of alienated kids in the pre-teen and teen age range.

So what was your point, exactly?
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:18 am

barracuda wrote:

brekin, I don't get this post at all. For example, I doubt rather seriously that a psychopathic sex killer's deeds, in which he draws a value equivalence between his orgasm and the life of a human being, can be traced back to being in any way truly "inspired" by the reading of a childhood murder mystery novel. I don't see any point in taking the man's statement as truthful, or as that statement having any diagnostic or analytical usefulness whatsoever. Beyond that, the inclusion of all the material above into the context of this thread seems like a complete non-sequitor.


Well take it as a tangent of a tangent. I thought it was interesting in light of the previous discussions of exposure to material that could supposedly
pervert a basic drive for ill.

And since some argue that the logical conclusion of aggressive pornography is murder (because that is the ultimate dehumanization) ; I thought it was applicable. And I can't believe you don't see any diagnostic value in what he says inspired him since childhood. Truthful or not, I'd say that is a huge window into the very least what he would like to believe, or have others believe about his actions.

compared2what wrote:

Seconded. Because:

Neither case involves porn.

Neither killer developed a taste for something he or she wouldn't otherwise have been exposed to after seeing it on the internet.

Prior to the internet age, there were many, many sexually sadistic serial killers whose stories were, in all essential regards, identical to that of Hiroshi Maeue, except that they didn't use the internet to hook up with their victims since there was yet no internet. And there have been neither more nor fewer since that option became available.

As to the "Nevada" case, again, there wasn't any excess exposure to putatively mind-warping materials via online media, as far as I can tell. Apart from that, based on the story posted -- which is notably light on some pretty basically pertinent points, such as the happiness and/or unhappiness of Girl A's home and social life overall, btw -- what details there are line up pretty well with the very, very few other instances of apparently sociopathic child murderers of children of which I'm aware. Mary Bell, who killed two little boys on separate occasions when she was ten and eleven in the late 1960s, is probably the best known and almost certainly the most extensively written about such child, if you're interested in the phenomenon.

But it's very, very rare. And it's never been thought to be caused by exposure to violent media online or anywhere else. It is generally thought that exposure to actual violence or other extreme trauma in the home is probably a factor, though.

Although perhaps the potential analogy you saw wrt that one wasn't so much Nevada's use of the internet as it was her subsequent online cult stardom?

If so, unless and until there's a copycat crime, I don't see an analogy that supports the argument that the internet fucks people up in new or different or more extreme ways than anything that came before it at all.

Notorious killers whose gruesome crimes were major media events have always had cult followings and have also always been especially fascinating to large numbers of alienated kids in the pre-teen and teen age range.

So what was your point, exactly?


I would read the Nevada case again because there seems like a whole bunch of excess exposure to putatively mind-warping materials via online media. (Or maybe you are just considering the movies as off-line media) It's obvious she started to spend a very large amount of time isolating herself with some very violent material online. The method and way she killed was taken directly from the stuff she viewed as she told police. The police investigated her background and granted while not everything can be discovered I'm sure there would be strong pressure to point to some domestic reason to explain how she could do something so horrendous. Don't you think they wouldn't be looking for abuse or family dynamics that would contribute?

I agree that both killers could have been predisposed (Hiroshi probably for sure) but with Nevada she was so young (11) and so impressionable to what she viewed. Perhaps barring seeing any material that she viewed she could of just ended up pushing her friend off a pier or something, but I thought it was interesting how the internet not only exposed her to this violent material that she reenacted in real life, but it was also the catalyst for her becoming angry and isolating herself from her peers and family.

Granted I'm drawing a big net by including violent media as a form or "porn", but I thought this was legitimate. You and Cuda have voted and don't see how this applies, which is cool. This thread was about dead anyways and maybe someone else, maybe only one, probably somewhere in the mid-west, will get it.

The police investigation into the shocking murder of Satomi Mitarai, and the background of her young slayer, revealed that Nevada was at least initially a relatively normal child with no overt history of bad behaviour, let alone a propensity for violence. It was noted that she had a keen interest in horror films and any other form of entertainment which featured murder and mayhem, from TV shows to comic books. A particular favourite of hers is the Japanese cult 2000 Kinjt Fukasaku smash ‘Battle Royale,’ where a bunch of ninth grade students are taken to a tiny, remote island and handed a map, food and various weapons, then made to hunt and kill each other in ways that would have had the lads of The Lord Of The Flies, running for cover. This movie, though exceptionally popular the world over, was also voraciously consumed by the impressionable Nevada.

Another of her favourite movies is ‘Voice’. This is a film that charts the descent of a girl, who goes insane and embarks upon a savage killing spree. Though Nevada enjoyed a diet of such violent films at this time, it seems as though she at least had another outlet - basketball. However, after being forced out of her team, at the behest of her mother, to focus on improving her school grades, Nevada elected to retreat further into her fantasy world of death, becoming surly with her parents and those around her. The lures of the internet had started to overtake all else. She began collecting ‘flash’ horror movies, on a web site she had started, and would frequent many violent sites, constantly searching for bloodier fodder. She would regularly access a site, viewed by this author, that features a short story titled ‘The Red Room,’ in which a boy is slashed to death. There is a warning on the opening page, advising that those with a ‘weak heart’ should steer clear.

Concentrating as much of her time as was possible, on the internet, and regarding the real world as superfluous, she attempted to induce other web visitors to join her site and share in her domain by commencing her own ‘blog’ - a kind of live-journal, or diary - detailing her interests, and even regaling those that came and cared to see, with gruesome stories and cooking recipes.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Simulist » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:26 am

brekin wrote:And since some argue that the logical conclusion of aggressive pornography is murder (because that is the ultimate dehumanization)...

Can there be a "logical conclusion" from an illogical premise?
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby jfshade » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:29 am

compared2what? wrote:Cultures that have a generally benign social attitude toward sex and sexuality have fewer problems than cultures that have a specific and doctrinaire social attitude toward sex and sexuality. Irrespective of whether the doctrine is proscriptive or prescriptive.

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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby brekin » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:30 am

simulist wrote:

brekin wrote:
And since some argue that the logical conclusion of aggressive pornography is murder (because that is the ultimate dehumanization)...



Can there be a "logical conclusion" from an illogical premise?


I don't know. You should take that up with the Marquis De Sade. He knew a little bit about violent porn.
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Re: Is Porn Bad for You?

Postby Simulist » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:53 am

brekin wrote:
Simulist wrote:
brekin wrote:And since some argue that the logical conclusion of aggressive pornography is murder (because that is the ultimate dehumanization)...

Can there be a "logical conclusion" from an illogical premise?


I don't know. You should take that up with the Marquis De Sade. He knew a little bit about violent porn.

Brekin, you seem somewhat fixated on this subject.

One does not have to seek out the Marquis de Sade for torture porn when Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ is so readily available. The obvious parallels are extremely disturbing, but also thought-provoking.
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