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Postby backtoiam » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:52 pm

Netanyahu, Trump set to meet at the end of December
Posted on December 9, 2015 by Admin

The Jerusalem Post

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump will meet on December 28, 2015.

The meeting was scheduled two weeks ago and came before Trump made recent controversial remarks about the Muslim community.

Sources close to Netanyahu said that the prime minister “doesn’t agree with every statement by every candidate” in response to Trump’s recent remarks.

http://www.jpost.com/Breaking-News/Neta ... ber-436771
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 09, 2015 6:58 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Dec 09, 2015 7:23 pm

‘I. Will. Never. Leave. This. Race.’

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
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Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:43 am

Did everyone see this video of Philly mayor Nutter and his Trump commentary?

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby General Patton » Thu Dec 10, 2015 2:12 pm

The NY Daily News actually wrote an article that covers the Daily Stormer.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/heil-donald-trump-racists-support-donald-trump-policy-article-1.2459327#

“Heil Donald Trump — THE ULTIMATE SAVIOR,” Andrew Anglin, the 30-year-old publisher of the neo-Nazi website The Daily Stormer wrote on Monday, in support of the Republican front-runner’s anti-Muslim plan.

At the end of the post endorsing Trump, Anglin writes, “Make America White Again!”

In another supporting post on Tuesday, Anglin said Trump’s less-than-modest proposal was “100% reasonable.”

He claimed Trump’s policy against Muslims did not violate religious freedom in the United States.


I remember a time when Anglin had a hard time getting publicity.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Dec 10, 2015 8:18 pm

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby backtoiam » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:07 pm

I have lost track of the blatantly show stunt stupid things that a grass roots organization that wanted to be taken seriously has done as Black Lives Matter has done. Is this a real grass roots organization or a CIA/Gladio type cutout designed to create confusion and racial division? Or maybe a grass roots organization that has a small handfull of unfortunately stupid people?

That was not a trick question. I'm being dead serious. But I am having a hard time believing as many foolishly public stunts as this group has pulled that they could be the genuine article, not to mention the amount of media coverage that was focused on some of those stunts.

Famous rapper and Black Lives Matter member says he "would assassinate Donald Trump like Zimmerman." Yeah that should really help the cause of being taken seriously and garnering respect with the public...although I wouldn't cry about it if the Donald fell on misfortune...

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Thu Dec 10, 2015 10:11 pm

Obviously BLM will be a target of cointelpro, blacks in general have been rather severely targeted over the past few decades.

I guess a better question is what avenues would be preferable for black activists as far as a broad project interested in getting results?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:19 pm

backtoiam » Thu Dec 10, 2015 9:07 pm wrote:I have lost track of the blatantly show stunt stupid things that a grass roots organization that wanted to be taken seriously has done as Black Lives Matter has done. Is this a real grass roots organization or a CIA/Gladio type cutout designed to create confusion and racial division? Or maybe a grass roots organization that has a small handfull of unfortunately stupid people?


You really don't seem to have any context to parse BLM. I think it would really help you get over this paranoia.

Upfront: of course BLM is "infiltrated" - it's a United States cultural movement involving more than 100 people. If BLM wasn't infiltrated by at least a half-dozen agencies, it would be safe to conclude the US Federal Government had simply ceased to exist.

That doesn't mean that's all it is, though. Far from it. There are tons of smart, eloquent young people involved, and like any other -- every other -- movement in the past dozen centuries, yes, it attracts stupid people. Yes, like any other "leaderless movement" they leave themselves wide open for subversion: see also Occupy, Anonymous, Earth First, etc.

The fact that you're taking Rick Ross seriously as a "Black Lives Matter member" indicates an almost total lack of awareness of the past 20 years of black culture. Ross is a fat drug addict who isn't even taken seriously by his escorts. Dude is a millionaire because he figured out how to make hit rap songs and can apparently execute his template without even having to be awake now. Rick Ross is synonymous with fake shit.

Nobody involved with BLM gives a single solitary fuck with that man has to say about anything, ever.
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Postby Luther Blissett » Fri Dec 11, 2015 1:44 pm

Yeah the Black Lives Matter demos here are a powerful thing to behold, way more so than my little fracking or kxl marches. I even think Black Lives Matter might have an even stronger built-in resistance to and immunity from turncoats and traitors than other movements, for obvious cultural reasons.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 14, 2015 8:34 am

Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Dec 14, 2015 10:03 am

DECEMBER 14, 2015
Failing the Trump Test: Cops for Fascism
by JOSEPH G. RAMSEY
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Donald Trump just picked up his latest big endorsement: from the New England Policeman’s Benevolent Association, “the fastest-growing law enforcement organization in the northeastern United States” (according to the NEPBA’s website). Addressing the group in Portsmouth, New Hampshire, last Thursday, Trump told his audience that their support represented the most important honor he could possibly receive.

This is saying something, coming from a candidate who has already picked up the coveted endorsement of public figures such as Hulk Hogan, Mike Tyson, Ann Coulter, Dennis Rodman, Mike Ditka, Michael Savage, Lou Ferrigno, and the founder of Ultimate Fighting Championship (UFC), Dana White.

Already boasting two Hulks and a crew of professional fighters, Trump’s increasingly virulent campaign just picked up some more muscle. The NEPB represents some 5,000 cops spread across 200 locals, from Massachusetts to the crucial primary state of New Hampshire.

The police union’s endorsement comes just days after Trump made international news for endorsing an indefinite ban on Muslims entering the United States. Trump’s call has been widely and harshly criticized, even as it has added to his lead in the Republic primary polling. It is but the latest, and perhaps the most shocking, in a long list of xenophobic headline grabs from a campaign that kicked off by labelling Mexican immigrants as criminals, drug-users, and rapists.

White House spokesman Josh Earnest recently stated that Trump’s islamophobic comments “disqualify” him from becoming President of the United States, representing a violation of the Constitution that the President must swear an oath to uphold.

And yet, despite this worldwide outcry, one of the largest policeman’s unions in New England has come out in Trumps’ corner, giving him rousing ovations for his comments attacking “political correctness,” his support for supplying police with military-grade hardware, as well as his promise to make his first order of business after taking office the passage of an executive order giving the death penalty to anyone who kills a police officer. “Police and law enforcement,” he stated, “I will never, ever, let them down.”

What does it mean that an organization supposedly charged with enforcing the Constitution of the United States publicly endorses a campaign that calls for the mass deportations of immigrants and a blanket ban (and registry and even possible detention) of all muslims? That an organization authorized to carry weapons, to pull people out of cars and to stop and frisk them on the streets–an organization endowed with the right to use deadly force–joins ranks with the campaign of an increasingly open racist bigot?

The NEPBA’s official motto is “Representing New England’s Finest.” Perhaps it should now be changed to ”Representing New England’s Fascists.”

Here are two question-sets that I would like to pose:

1) If the NEPBA is the first police union to endorse Trump, will it be the last? How far behind are other such groups? Beyond outright endorsements, how common are Trump-ist views among the ranks of America’s police?

2) If Trump’s racist and proto-fascist comments are enough to disqualify him from the Presidency, shouldn’t police who endorse his unConstitutional, violent, xenophobic agenda similarly be disqualified? How can we allow people holding such views to walk through our communities, funded by our tax dollars, armed and with the license to harass, detain, injure, or to kill?

Let us disqualify these Trumpist police.

Let us confiscate their badges and guns immediately.

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It is no doubt disturbing to see hateful, fear-mongering views like Trump’s migrate from the margin to the so-called mainstream of American politics. Many worry about the legitimacy and encouragement that his campaign gives to right-wing and white supremacist organizations and individuals. Reports of anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant hate crimes as well as violence against Black Lives Matter protesters stream in, suggesting the way that Trumps’ inflammatory, ignorant rhetoric helps to catalyze actual violence against innocent people.

Perhaps most worrisome is the way that his campaign may serve as a right-wing rally point, bringing together and unifying the disparate fascistic fringe elements that are scattered across the USA. Long after Trump’s campaign crashes or burns (or is cashed in for a new ‘reality TV’ show), his true legacies may remain: an expansion of ‘mainstream’ discourse to accommodate openly fascistic proposals (like Muslim ID cards and detention centers), a drawing of new hard-core white nationalists into political life, and unification of existing hard-right forces across the country. The talk of walls and of camps is upon us. As is the mingling of cops and white nationalist militias.

But let’s not get panicky. Just as dangerous for the Left is the way that the fear of Trump threatens to drag down our political aspirations, pulling us into line so that the “lesser evil” Democrats can hold the stage, at a historical moment when fundamental, even revolutionary, social change is more necessary than ever (see for instance, climate change).

There is no doubt that Hillary Clinton is eager to run *against* the likes of Donald Trump, in hopes that the hot air the celebrity bigot generates can put the missing wind in her sails. Further, Trump’s nationalist xenophobia and sensational contempt for basic decency threatens to weaken or even to split the Republican Party, scaring off moderates and second generation immigrant voters for good, while laying the basis for a mass party more like the surging National Front in France–a short-term silver lining on an ominous cloud, to be sure.

And there’s one more Clinton-corpora-crat bonus: Trump’s flashy brand of fascism helps keep Bernie Sanders’ challenge to her own establishment politics off the front page, marginalizing serious reform proposals that threaten established interests far more than Trump’s do (see for instance, combatting climate change).

No doubt the leadership of the Democratic Party will seize upon the fear of Trump to lower Left horizons, once again making the cloud of the “lesser evil” look like a beacon worth fighting for. With an opponent like Trump, who could blame Bernie himself if he circles his would-be socialist wagons to protect the Clinton camp, right? Hmmm….

Perhaps though there is another reason that the establishment–Democrat and Republican alike–is nervous about Donald Trump. Not just about what he says, or what his campaign represents, but about the backlash that he may provoke among the masses of people, if he doesn’t shut up soon.

We might do well to recall the events of 2006, when the extreme anti-immigrant rhetoric pushed to center stage by the Sensenbrenner Bill helped to catalyze the largest mass demonstrations that this country has ever seen. Facing right-wing legislation that threatened to further criminalize illegal immigrants, provoked by know-nothing racist politicians akin to Trump who spoke of them as parasites rather than as hard-working human beings, the international working-class of this country and its many allies turned out in the millions on May Day to say that Enough was Enough. Walking out of workplaces and taking to the streets, shutting down business as usual in many cities, the immigrant working-class could see their own power on display. It was a power that quickly cast the Sensenbrenner bill into the dustbin of history and that could squash Donald Trump like a hotel bug. A power that, if organized and focused, could defeat any police or so-called security forces that dares to threaten our brothers and sisters with harassment, detention, or deportation, whether it is an Elephant or Ass giving the orders from the White House.

Might Trump be our Sensenbrenner? Might his outrageous campaign help to catalyze a mass anti-fascist movement in this country?

The first signs of mass outrage and mobilization can now be seen.

Mayors across the US have proposed that Trump himself be banned from their cities until such a time as they can figure out the precise threat that he represents. In the United Kingdom, a petition calling for Trump to be barred from entry for his professed hate speech has gathered over 475,000 signatures, the largest number ever for such a petition, well past the floor of 100,000 required to push Parliament to discuss it. Trump’s recent appearance in New York City, and even his speech before the NEPBA in New Hampshire, have been shadowed by hundreds of outraged protesters, many of them describing Trump as a fascist. Speaking in less technical terms, Philly Mayor Michael Nutter recently put into words what so many have been thinking privately about Trump: “He’s an asshole.”

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As forces like the New England Policeman’s Benevolent Association fall in behind Trump’s asshole line, those of us who reject Trump’s agenda, must seize the initiative, calling into question the legitimacy of those who fail the Trump test, disqualifying those who are clearly unfit to rule.

Furthermore, let us challenge the racism and islamophobia that has structured American foreign and domestic policy long before Trump became a front-runner, seizing the more radical opportunities latent in this moment. After all, in some ways, Trump merely brings out into the open ideas and values that have been built into the fabric of US society for a very long time. If we truly object to anti-immigrant and Islamophobic fascism, we have a lot of work to do. Work that goes beyond defeating Trump.

If we object to banning Muslims from the US (Trump), shouldn’t we also object to the extrajudicial killing of Muslims abroad via Drone strikes (Obama-Clinton), or the indefinite detention and torture of Muslims (or anyone) at various US black sites around the world?

If we object to Trump’s proposals to deport all 10-20 million undocumented persons in the US, shouldn’t we also be objecting to Obama’s “liberal” policy, which deported around 3 million people, more than any other US administration?

Perhaps we did need a real asshole like Trump to help us get our shit together. But let’s make sure that when we go after Trump, it’s not just the man, but the racist and fascist ideas and values he represents that we target, wherever they can be found. From the local police station to the White House, let’s apply the Trump test.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 82_28 » Mon Dec 14, 2015 12:50 pm

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Luther Blissett » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:02 pm

After finishing up the second season of Transparent and listening to "In the Aeroplane Over the Sea" over and over again lately, I'm just very worried about the future and our current parallels to the 30s. I keep coming back to Elvis's prediction on the Trump is a Hillary Plant thread.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby tapitsbo » Mon Dec 14, 2015 1:10 pm

If I've learned anything from this board, it's that Elvis describes has already been happening all along, both to derail as well at to swell the ranks of muddle-headed "America first" would-be death squads (who are utterly confused about just about every aspect of their own organization and operations.)

It's odd to me when Trump is described as a sincere actor...

Couldn't these have been the white males spotted in San Bernardino? Now bound to comply with further instructions in order to protect their identities
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