Two explosions at Boston marathon finish line

[MacCruiskeen]

Don't act coy. It's not charming. Tell me exactly what you want me respond to from your now-heavily-edited screed. (Maybe it's one of the deleted bits. How should I know?)

[compared2what?]

Yes you did. Not in those exact words but in words very close to them and with an identical intention. But of course you've gone back and edited it all out now. That's your MO: act nasty, and then act nice once you've achieved the desired reaction. (How did you manage that edit without any edit being recorded?)

Obviously. I didn't. That's abusive. Ugly, too.

Don't act coy. It's not charming. Tell me exactly what you want me respond to from your now-heavily-edited screed. (Maybe it's one of the deleted bits. How should I know?)

And you're doubling down on it, too, huh? That's not okay, Mac. .

[compared2what?]

I am not sure its as easy to answer as you think.

You're right. Every kind of public record always uses its own language and argot that are distinct to the genre and founded in rules/reasons that are specific to it.

So if you want to know what something that's on one of them means, reading a colloquial meaning into it and then trying to infer intentionality from that is just not a productive way to go about finding out. If you don't have reading fluency, you have to ask someone who does.

Which is actually pretty easy, I guess. My point is more that you can't figure it out by asking yourself.

ON EDIT: "It" in this case being why there's no approximate time of death recorded. At a minimum, you need to know whether it's anomalous or regular not to specify one under equivalent circumstances before you can say whether it means anything. Or nothing. As the case may be.

Back on topic.

[MacCruiskeen]

Yes you did. Not in those exact words but in words very close to them and with an identical intention. But of course you've gone back and edited it all out now. That's your MO: act nasty, and then act nice once you've achieved the desired reaction. (How did you manage that edit without any edit being recorded?)

Obviously. I didn't. That's abusive. Ugly, too.

Don't act coy. It's not charming. Tell me exactly what you want me respond to from your now-heavily-edited screed. (Maybe it's one of the deleted bits. How should I know?)

And you're doubling down on it, too, huh? That's not okay, Mac. .

I note that you flatly refuse to say what points you claim to want answered from your now-largely-deleted post, while instead acting all hurt & innocently-baffled at the fact that I am angry at having my time deliberately & incessantly wasted this way. Act nasty (really nasty), then act nicey-nice once you've succeeded in provoking anger -- that's the way it works with you. (QED again again^^.) Or rather, had worked until now.

Now please excuse me. I have enough to be going on with, what with Burnt Hill claiming (counterfactually, so to speak) that "1-2 a.m.", for example, would not fit in a box in a coroner's form that contains the word "UNKNOWN". You are not the only timewaster in town, merely the captain of the team.

[Burnt Hill]

Yes you did. Not in those exact words but in words very close to them and with an identical intention. But of course you've gone back and edited it all out now. That's your MO: act nasty, and then act nice once you've achieved the desired reaction. (How did you manage that edit without any edit being recorded?)

Obviously. I didn't. That's abusive. Ugly, too.

Don't act coy. It's not charming. Tell me exactly what you want me respond to from your now-heavily-edited screed. (Maybe it's one of the deleted bits. How should I know?)

And you're doubling down on it, too, huh? That's not okay, Mac. .

I note that you flatly refuse to say what points you claim to want answered from your now-largely-deleted post, while instead acting all hurt & innocently-baffled at the fact that I am angry at having my time deliberately & incessantly wasted this way. Act nasty (really nasty), then act nicey-nice once you've succeeded in provoking anger -- that's the way it works with you. (QED again again^^.) Or rather, had worked until now.

Now please excuse me. I have enough to be going on with, what with Burnt Hill claiming (counterfactually, so to speak) that "1-2 a.m.", for example, would not fit in a box in a coroner's form that contains the word "UNKNOWN".

If at some point you mentioned "1-2 am" than I missed it and this "conversation" would have taken a different track.
I know I never made that claim.
The phrase I wrote and you quoted literally would not fit in the box.
If you think 1-2 am works than go with it, its just about as precise as unknown.

[MacCruiskeen]

The phrase I wrote and you quoted literally would not fit in the box.

What phrase? Pray tell.

If you think 1-2 am works than go with it, its just about as precise as unknown.

"Go with it"? Jesus wept. I am not the coroner.

[Burnt Hill]

much ado about very little, apologies to the board, I am back on topic.

[FourthBase]

Okay...lol, simmering now, everyone? Good. Now. What's the topic? Oh yeah.

Brian Glyn Williams.

Not sure if these links have been posted yet.
Don't even care if they have, since they would've been buried by the latest squabble-fest.
So, here, some links. Please, will someone post the full text of the articles?
I'm actually busy. With actually important shit.

http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&s ... uth+Senior

http://www.heraldnews.com/news/x2943780 ... flow-crowd

http://www.southcoasttoday.com/apps/pbc ... /105030326

http://issuu.com/umdpublications/docs/u ... 7-magazine

Relevant cached text:

ON AFGHANISTAN athy Young-Perry '06 can add to her resume experience that others would be hard pressed to match: "stateside suicide bombing tracker." As a researcher for History Professor Brian Glyn Wiliams, the political science major did extensive work over the past year tracking suicide bombing in beleagured Afghanistan. As Dr. Williams traveled there, Young-Perry -- a political science major with a history minor -- did exhaustive research and developed what Williams calls "amazing" graphics, including a detailed map and chart on the bombings since 2001. It was an enterprise that was exceptional in both its nature and the results: Williams' and Young-Perry's report, published in the March 2007 Terrorism Monitor, was cited by the United Nations in its September publication, "Suicide Attacks in Afghanistan," and the pair have been featured by, among others, the New York Times and BBC. Young-Perry's work has gone a "long way in helping the U.S. understand a dangerous phenomenon that threatens to undermine everything we are attempting to do in Afghanistan," says Williams. "I really hope that the research we do will save lives in Afghanistan," says YoungPerry, a New Bedford native. How did you become involved in this kind of research? In my junior year, I was lucky enough to be asked by the late Professor Phillip Melanson to do research for the second edition of his book The Secret Service: The Hidden History of an Enigmatic Agency. C He taught me how to research and do interviews for books. I enjoyed the experience greatly and decided that I would like a research position after I graduated. In my senior year, I took a course with Prof. Williams about Islamic politics. He was working on a book about Afghan warlord Rashid Dostum. I was intrigued and explained I could be very helpful in doing research. (Again) I felt lucky to have the chance to do research on an important project, which is unusual for an undergraduate. A few months (later), Professor Williams was asked to research suicide bombing in Afghanistan. I began an exhaustive search for all the attacks that had occurred in Afghanistan. Prof. Williams spent countless hours talking to foreign contacts and (traveled) to Afghanistan to corroborate our findings. As word of our work spread, I took all the information and created charts, graphs, maps, and a movie to make the enormous amount of information easily presentable. Our findings have been showcased all over the world, in Pakistani newspapers and at conferences in Turkey, which Prof. Williams attended. Our work appeared in the March 1 Jamestown Foundation: Terrorism Monitor, then in CNN, the BBC, and Time. Professor Williams invited me to DC in June to present with him at the Jamestown Foundation to an audience that included members from Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice's office, the FBI, the CIA, and retired generals. When you started as a student, what were your plans? I was interested in global politics and in finding a way to mix my love of history with my love of international relations. I figured that I would apply to the CIA or NSA for security work. I wanted to make a difference and keep people safe, everywhere in the world. I wanted to help make decisions to make a difference in how the U.S. interacts with the rest of the world. What do you hope will be the result of your work? If a few civilians or soldiers are spared, it will be worth it. I hope people will look at suicide bombing and help fix the problems that contribute to this phenomenon. The CIA and other agencies have requested copies of our work specifically to help make policy decisions. I hope it can open a door to more research on a tactic that, sadly, has become more prevalent. How did your UMass Dartmouth education prepare you for your future plans? I could never thank Professor Melanson enough for my first research opportunity. I have to mention (Political Science) Professor Robert Darst. Without his grueling research papers, I would never think out of the box and discipline myself to do the hours of research needed on the suicide bomber project. He demanded a level of perfection (and) I gained a lot of confidence in my own skills. Professor Williams put a lot of trust into an untested undergraduate. I am eternally grateful to him. I had a great support system in (Political Science) Professor Michael Baum who was very encouraging and guided me. UMass [@Dartmouth, lol?] has some extremely talented professors. The university offered me the opportunity of a lifetime by having an incredible faculty that really believes in its students. How have your family members reacted? My husband could not be more proud or supportive of me. My 11-year-old son is extremely impressed. He was very excited when I traveled to DC, and has followed every mention we've had in online newspapers. Your plans for the future? My job now is with Fellowship Health Resources. I provide counseling and advocacy in a therapeutic setting, helping (individuals) with chronic mental illness achieve social, emotional, and personal independence through one or more programs. I plan to apply to the United Nations for a two- to three-month position in Afghanistan. I hope to be able to work at the U.N. or for a non-government organization that deals with Afghan issues.

EDIT: Baum is in charge of the school's foreign exchange program, based in Portugal, chummy with embassy.

Now we're back on a topic that's actually on-topic. Tamerlan's corpse is on-topic, too. Just not all the intra-board bullshit. So, don't even think of continuing with that bullshit, please. Or I'll jump back into the mod-backseat real quick and report you, any of you continuing the bullshit, for disruption. Thanks!

[hiddenite]

At some point, Mr. Deveau said, Tamerlan “comes out from under cover and just starts walking down the street shooting at our police officers.”

Tamerlan was “5 to 10 feet away,” still exchanging fire with the officers, when he suddenly stopped.

“He runs out of ammunition, the bad guy,” Chief Deveau said. At that point, “one of my police officers comes from the side and tackles him in the street.”

He was joined by two other officers, who wrestled Tamerlan to the ground and tried to handcuff him.

“At the same time, at the last minute, one of them yells out ‘Look out!’ and here comes the black S.U.V., the carjacked car, directly at them,” he said.

“They dive out of the way and he runs over his brother and drags him a short distance down the street,” he said.

Tamerlan was fatally injured.


Presumably there will some kind of inquest and a more coherent narrative will emerge ? Because this from the NY Times April 20 sits uneasily . But then Chief Deveau also talks about the "exchange" of gunfire during the boat siege too, so maybe he was over excited here .

Someone way back mentioned drill gone live . There is also the possibility that FBI and FSB both suspected each other of running whatever it was they thought they were monitoring or not monitoring.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887324244304578475300856008018.html?mod=wsj_streaming_stream

Wall Street Journal Us:Russia withheld intel on Boston bomb suspect , in case the link fails 10 May

It still baffles me that the plot required their capture in some way to reveal or rather obscure their motivation, but reveal their ethnicity .

[FourthBase]

There is also the possibility that FBI and FSB both suspected each other of running whatever it was they thought they were monitoring or not monitoring.

Could be: A little from each side's spook world, but no official operation.

Yeah, we might be shocked to learn that...
All those years of debunkers saying "No conspiracy could be that large!"...
They might've been a wee bit correct.

Might just be a proverbial "rogue faction" collective, but perhaps quite large, varied, high-up, and...
What then? Would we be disappointed by no longer distrusting the entire Mil-Ind-Complex?

[hiddenite]

4th Base, Beeline posted the full text, the author of the piece has unlocked it for another day

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/didnt-contribute/b235e7a0ce7c4b7c88352792b192d12582f5e841/

If you wish to read and/or paste it in .

[FourthBase]

4th Base, Beeline posted the full text, the author of the piece has unlocked it for another day

https://www.nsfwcorp.com/dispatch/didnt-contribute/b235e7a0ce7c4b7c88352792b192d12582f5e841/

If you wish to read and/or paste it in .

Yes, I've seen that. Saved it when it was posted.

What I posted was slightly different. The cached text shows he is a recruiter, basically.
The other links show other things about him. Someone please paste the texts of those.
(Or are we in a Mexican stand-off of pasting link text, lmao? )

[compared2what?]

I note that you flatly refuse to say what points you claim to want answered from your now-largely-deleted post

This^^.

I look at it and I think:

Okay. I'm dealing with a guy whose need for power and control is absolute and knows no constraints. Who would say and do anything to me or about me that he had to in order to assert his will and satisfy his needs. Rewrite history. Alter reality. Possibly kill, but certainly tolerate it, provided it fit in with his script. A little one-man totalitarian. In short. MacCruiskeen uber alles.

It's abusive. There's nothing more so. But nobody here's going to call him out for it. Because some are going to turn away in discomfort. And the rest are looking on with enthusiasm. So I'm on my own. Best foot forward. Try to remember that he must know what it feels like to get in the way of such a person. And to be depersonned by him or her. Because he wouldn't need to do it to others if he didn't. Forward march.

That's been happening way too often these days. I don't enjoy it. But backing down from it is not a possibility. This is supposed to be an anti-fascist board.

I didn't delete anything Retract and apologize. Make it sincere.

Thanks.

, while instead acting all hurt & innocently-baffled at the fact that I am angry at having my time deliberately & incessantly wasted this way. Act nasty (really nasty), then act nicey-nice once you've succeeded in provoking anger -- that's the way it works with you. (QED again again^^.) Or rather, had worked until now.

I say what I think and feel, as appropriate to the situation, giving my reasons for both as I go. That's the way it works with me. My MO. I apologize when I'm wrong. And don't when I'm not.

Now please excuse me.

No. Apologize, you asshole.

I have enough to be going on with, what with Burnt Hill claiming (counterfactually, so to speak) that "1-2 a.m.", for example, would not fit in a box in a coroner's form that contains the word "UNKNOWN". You are not the only timewaster in town, merely the captain of the team.

You are not the fucking boss of reality. You don't get to dictate it. Or to impose it on other people. Or to grade them for how well they live up to your vision of it by passing out "Quite rights" and "Corrects" like you were awarding little badges to aspiring members of the Junior Anti-Sex League.

You also don't get to force others to use whether or not someone displeases you as the chief metric for what's good or evil and/or true or false. You can use it for yourself if you want to. But it's a fucking formula for disaster., defeat and disempowerment. Because when those are your criteria, anyone who tells you a story it pleases you to hear can make a complete fool out of you. And possibly also a slave. Since I like you, I very much hope you'll consider the wisdom of that proposition.

You should be profoundly ashamed of yourself. And very remorseful. I want an apology.

[compared2what?]

I already know how this is gonna go. He wins. So I'm out.

ON EDIT: That doesn't mean I don't still want the sincere apology, though. I just meant: "That's how totalitarianism always prevails It disgusts me. I'm not interested in watching it happen."

So the "Apologize, you asshole" is still in effect.

Perfect rationality is not a human attribute.

[DrEvil]

@c2w: For what it's worth I agree 100% with what you wrote. Please don't leave.

@Mac: Stop acting like such an arrogant prick. You probably don't see it that way, but that's how you come across.