Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:53 pm

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mentalgongfu2 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 8:40 am wrote:Find an article. Change every reference to "COVID-19" to whatever you want, apparently. Cite data from two months of a year-long adventure. Form a conclusion and only then seek supporting data. Ignore all other potential factors. Write a blog about it. You have now become a "source."


"Ignore all other potential factors" --- such as? Present your case. Or is your interest only in drive-by snipe attempts?

Yes: the position I present here is that lockdowns, mandates, and particularly, the related hysterics by the populace at large have absolutely had a net negative impact on younger age groups compared to the prior year. Demonstrably. (among many other negative impacts to populations at large)

These negative impacts will reverberate for years to follow.

I'm certainly not alone in this position.

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Dig further here:
https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status ... 1771284482


And this snippet:
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From here:
https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status ... 7569145856

MARK CHANGIZI is a theorist aiming to grasp the ultimate foundations underlying why we think, feel and see as we do. His research focuses on "why" questions, and he has made important discoveries such as on why we see in color, why we see illusions, why we have forward-facing eyes, why the brain is structured as it is, why animals have as many limbs and fingers as they do, why the dictionary is organized as it is, why fingers get pruney when wet, where emotional expressions came from, and how we acquired writing, language and music.

He attended the Thomas Jefferson High School for Science and Technology, and then went on to the University of Virginia for a degree in physics and mathematics, and to the University of Maryland for a PhD in math. In 2002 he won a prestigious Sloan-Swartz Fellowship in Theoretical Neurobiology at Caltech, and in 2007 he became an assistant professor in the Department of Cognitive Science at Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute. In 2010 he took the post of Director of Human Cognition at a new research institute called 2ai Labs, and also co-founded VINO Optics which builds proprietary vein-enhancing glasses for medical personnel. He consults out of his Human Factory Lab.

He has more than three dozen scientific journal articles, covered in thousands of newspaper and magazine articles.

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And there are these anecdotal observations, interrelated with the above (the ripple effects..):

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Source:

https://twitter.com/annbauerwriter/stat ... 66784?s=20
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:35 pm

Here's my question to all of those who still heartily support all the "common sense" measures from face masks to social distancing to school closures to continual hand sanitizing to small business shuttering to mandatory vaccinations to no visits from loved ones to vaccination status travel apps.

Can you ever imagine a future in which you are not frightened of human contact and totally naked human faces? Can you ever imagine a future in which you initiate physical human contact with an unknown stranger while daring to expose your face in full frontal nudity? How can you ever feel comfortable with this knowing that such vile transgressions cause sickness and death?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sat Mar 06, 2021 2:46 pm

I can imagine it. When I look into my crystal ball, I just don't see facemasks becoming a permanent fixture, like neckties.

I think it would be nice if they became culturally accepted to wear when you're feeling under the weather or getting over something. I think that's a good practice.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 06, 2021 3:00 pm

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I think it would be nice if they became culturally accepted to wear when you're feeling under the weather or getting over something. I think that's a good practice.


Prior to 2020, I've had no objections -- never have -- with whatever one may choose to adorn on their face for whatever reasons.

The objection has always been with the mandates to wear masks. Especially given the (i'll add 'arguably' here to avoid follow-up on a topic that has already been beaten to death) dubious efficacy in 'stopping' or curtailing spread outside of, perhaps, certain controlled scenarios. That aside, it's clear a pathology has developed among the populace due to all the noise surrounding this topic. As a result, every human now wearing a mask, especially outdoors, symbolizes acceptance with ('arguably') un-sound policies. And so it's become a charged topic. Clearly.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:16 pm

"Prior to 2020, I've had no objections -- never have -- with whatever one may choose to adorn on their face for whatever reasons."

That's something else though, isn't it? The freedom to wear whatever you want. I'm talking about a cultural climate in which wearing a mask during or after being sick is something done naturally, like they do in certain places that haven't become completely spoiled by an American cultural climate.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:37 pm

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Yes, true - after I typed the above I realize my commentary isn't directly tied to yours; I appropriated it for a larger point of "choice" vs "mandate".

(A tendency I will endeavor to curb).
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby PufPuf93 » Sat Mar 06, 2021 6:45 pm

Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 06, 2021 12:00 pm wrote:.


I think it would be nice if they became culturally accepted to wear when you're feeling under the weather or getting over something. I think that's a good practice.


Prior to 2020, I've had no objections -- never have -- with whatever one may choose to adorn on their face for whatever reasons.

The objection has always been with the mandates to wear masks. Especially given the (i'll add 'arguably' here to avoid follow-up on a topic that has already been beaten to death) dubious efficacy in 'stopping' or curtailing spread outside of, perhaps, certain controlled scenarios. That aside, it's clear a pathology has developed among the populace due to all the noise surrounding this topic. As a result, every human now wearing a mask, especially outdoors, symbolizes acceptance with ('arguably') un-sound policies. And so it's become a charged topic. Clearly.


Wearing a mask in designated situations is common courtesy.

What do you think of general public sanitation regulation?


In a restaurant, the state and local governments require certain temperatures for dishwater and coolers.

They set limits for how long food can be kept on a "warming table" and how often the premises must be inspected or treated for insects or mice.

They require hairnets or other head coverings for kitchen personnel and prohibit underaged workers.

They tell the owners what days they can be open and at what hour they must close.

They do all these things to guard the health and safety of the public.

But, somehow, no government authority can find the authority to REQUIRE restaurant employees or patrons to wear a mask to prevent the spread of covid.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:01 pm

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There should be no new mandates or forced policy any different than those in place prior to 2020. Prior to 2020, kitchen workers that were ill took necessary precautions or otherwise (most often) simply did not work, or were assigned tasks away from food handling. As a former restaurant worker, I'm quite familiar with standard practice for such scenarios.

The raw data does not support the need for any additional forced actions, other than recommended additional precautions.

What would lead you to believe that restaurant/food service owners or workers wouldn't go above and beyond to take necessary precautions unless there were mandates?


Also, to state the obvious: a "COMMON COURTESY" is no longer a COURTESY when MANDATED.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Mar 07, 2021 8:02 am

Iin lieu of any hard scientific evidence thst healthy people wearing masks and outdoor mask wearing does anything whatsoever to arrest the spread of any respirataory disease, are such practices common courtesy or mass "good liberal" psychosis?

Am I the only one who remembers that one year ago. Fauci, the WHO, and the CDC were all deriding the necessity and effectiveness of masks?

So what changed? Because it wasn"t the science. No RCTs have ever shown mask wearing alone to be effective in stopping the spread of respiratory diseases.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Mar 07, 2021 12:55 pm

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If there was a 'like' button i'd press it for the above comment.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby yathrib » Sun Mar 07, 2021 2:25 pm

Maybe alternative views on this topic would have gained more of a hearing if most of the people propagating them didn't also believe in Jewish Space Lasers. There are only so many hours in the day, and when I hear the rest of the conspiracy crap, it pretty much nullifies anything the person said before or says after.

Another thing: If conspiracists are such critical thinkers (as they claim to be) why do they all believe without question in the same conspiracies, as if just trying to keep up with the trends in a sort of oneupsmanship? Example: some moronic fad like flat earthism. The next day, you can't find a "truther" who is willing to express doubts about the earth being pancake-shaped. The only thing that "truthers" disagree with each other on is which of them is a shill for (((them))).
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:41 pm

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I should simply ignore the lazy and inept strawman attempt above, but the 'Jewish Space Lasers' piqued my fleeting interest as I haven't seen this reference before. (no need to reply, as I've no interest in wasting any more of my time addressing this)

Otherwise nothing you mentioned above is applicable in this thread.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Mar 07, 2021 6:43 pm

Yes it is. Your version of the Jewish Space Lasers is stuff like the twitter thread you copy pasted that claimed, with no evidence whatsoever, that black people were being intentionally killed off in hospitals. You post some sensible stuff, and then you post something like that.

You would have had a much easier time convincing people like me of the legitimate issues if you hadn't poisoned your own well at every opportunity.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby yathrib » Mon Mar 08, 2021 10:02 am

Exactly. Also the disingenuousness of claiming to have never heard of Jewish Space Lasers. It reminds me of my idiot racist uncle who posts straight QAnon stuff and then claims to have never heard of QAnon, and then says I'm the real conspiracy theorist because I know so much about conspiracy theories.

EDIT: And I so, so wish I was strawmanning. I can't express the disappointment of looking in on this formerly reliably antifascist board and finding that everyone, including the founder, has gone full fash.

DrEvil » 07 Mar 2021 22:43 wrote:Yes it is. Your version of the Jewish Space Lasers is stuff like the twitter thread you copy pasted that claimed, with no evidence whatsoever, that black people were being intentionally killed off in hospitals. You post some sensible stuff, and then you post something like that.

You would have had a much easier time convincing people like me of the legitimate issues if you hadn't poisoned your own well at every opportunity.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Mon Mar 08, 2021 11:18 am

": And I so, so wish I was strawmanning. I can't express the disappointment of looking in on this formerly reliably antifascist board and finding that everyone, including the founder, has gone full fash."

I haven't gone full fash. Some of us here are well aware of the anti-semitic current underpinning the "globalist liberal elite" conspiracy narratives.

I wonder about the different reality tunnels that people choose. Like, everyone here on this message board has an inkling that something weird is going on behind the appearance of things. Making mountains out of mashed potato. Some people make the traditional devil's tower, get into ufos and extraterrestrials. Some people make the illuminati pyramid, get into protocols of the elders of zion-style narratives. I make a temple out of my mashed potato, get into the paranormal, magitech and angelology.

Every one of us expresses this drive to know the unknown differently. I'm curious what it is, if anything, that influences which way we approach it.
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