Anthrax suspect dies in apparent suicide

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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 1:48 pm

http://www.gooznews.com/archives/001148.html

August 14, 2008
The Real Bioterror Threat
Richard Ebright, a chemistry professor at Rutgers University, has emerged as one of the leading critics of the U.S. bioterror defense program. I spoke with him earlier this week about the government’s “lone madman” theory.

GoozNews: Could Bruce Ivins have done this alone?

Ebright: It was done on the kiloton scale in the U.S. weapons program in the 1960s through 1990s. To do it on the gram scale in a location that was part of a previous offensive weapons program by a person who had access to the information about how they are prepared . . . would not be difficult. This is routine technology used to prepare products daily in the pesticide and pharmaceutical industry with approaches that are far more sophisticated and easier to procure than what was available in the 1960s through 1990s.

GoozNews: Yet some accounts insist that this anthrax preparation was so fine that it must have required access to the more sophisticated technology than what was available in Ivins’ lab.

Ebright: There’s been just one semi-official comment on that. Douglas J. Beecher, who works in the FBI lab in Quantico, Virginia, published a paper in 2006 where he called that a “misconception.”

[Here’s the full quote:
Individuals familiar with the compositions of the powders in the letters have indicated that they were comprised simply of spores purified to different extents. However, a widely circulated misconception is that the spores were produced using additives and sophisticated engineering supposedly akin to military weapon production. The persistence credence given to this impression fosters erroneous preconceptions that may misguide research in preparedness efforts and generally detract from the magnitude of hazards presented by simple spore presentations.]


It remains entirely open if this person operated alone or in concert with others. But the idea that he didn’t have the means to do it is absurd.

GoozNews: Do you think he did it?

Ebright: Any number of individuals in that laboratory had access to means to carry this out . . . alone. Did someone suggest this to the perpetrator? Did someone assist the perpetrator? This is something that you can’t get from a technical analysis.

GoozNews: Who benefited from this crime?

Ebright: The administration has milked this for all it is worth by allowing the misperception to remain that this was an external attack, possibly from Iraq. That was useful to the administration in building a case for any number of actions, including the intervention in Iraq. The vaccine industry, particularly BioPort and its successors, have exploited this misperception. The drug industry has benefited. The academic-industrial complex that has arisen from this incident has exploited it. I don’t think they did it, but they certainly benefited.

GoozNews: You’ve said it has distorted infectious disease research priorities. Explain.

Ebright: About half the resources in bacteriology and about a third in virology were shifted to biodefense. We’ve spent $57 billion in biodefense since 2001. The annual budget for NIH is only $30 billion. The spending has been disproportionate to the level of threat.

GoozNews: You’ve also said the spending on bioterror defense has made us less safe. How?

Ebright: The moment it was known that it was internal threat rather than a product of Islamic terror, which became clear in the spring of 2002 with the publication of the genetic information, an effort should have been made immediately to curtail the number of individuals with access to bioterror materials, and put in enhanced controls on those who had access. Just the opposite was done. There are now 14,000 individuals authorized to handle bioweapons materials. And this was done without an enhancement of security, or an enhancement that was perfunctory at best. There isn’t even video surveillance of work areas. The Bush administration with characteristic stupidity expanded the sector and therefore expanded the risk of attack.

GoozNews: Can we put the genie back in the lamp? If we curtail the program, won’t there been thousands of scientists with bioterror experience looking for work, just as there was in Russia?

Ebright: There is plenty to do in legitimate biomedical research. Most of them would once again be eager to work on those programs. These persons weren’t created out of air. They were shifted from other areas of scientific research into this area when the funding shifted. If the funding shifts to scientific priorities instead of military and political priorities, most of them will return happily to research on scientific and medical priorities like tuberculosis for a bacteriologist, like the diseases that kill people in the U.S. like MRSA (Methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus), which now kills more people than AIDS each year, and AIDS itself. Most researchers would prefer to work on subjects that actually matter.

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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:18 pm

http://tinyurl.com/6lk9zc

"...In the case of Haigwood, now the director of the Oregon National Primate Research Center, she said she suspected Ivins in the anthrax mailings as early as November 2001, when he e-mailed her, his immediate family and other scientists a photo of himself working with what he called "the now infamous 'Ames' strain" of anthrax, which was used in the attacks. She reported her suspicions to the FBI in 2002 and, at the behest of investigators, kept in touch with Ivins by e-mail and shared their correspondence with investigators.

Haigwood, 56, met Ivins in the late 1970s when he was doing a postdoctoral fellowship at the University of North Carolina, where she earned her doctorate. She was cordial to him, but she noticed that he took an unusual interest in her Kappa membership.

In the summer of 1982, Haigwood moved in with Scandella, then her fiancee, in a townhouse in the Washington, D.C., suburb of Montgomery Village. On Nov. 30 that year, Scandella awoke to find the Greek letters "KKG" spray-painted on the rear window of his car and on the sidewalk and fence in front of the home. Although a police report filed by Scandella does not mention any possible suspects, Haigwood quickly concluded that Ivins was responsible.

"My address wasn't published, and I only lived there a short while before Carl and I got married and moved out of state," Haigwood said Friday. "No one knew my address or my phone number. You had to stalk me to figure this stuff out."

Records show that Ivins was living on the same street, about a block away, shortly after the incident. It was not clear when he moved in. Scandella did not know that Ivins had been their neighbor until he was told Friday by a reporter.

"I was blown away by that," Scandella said. "I had no idea he lived anywhere in the vicinity ... I wonder if it's possible that Ivins moved to that location to be close to Nancy."

Soon after the vandalism, Haigwood bumped into Ivins - she doesn't remember where - and accused him.



"I said, 'This happened and I'm sure you're the one who did it,' and he denied it," Haigwood said. "And I said, 'Well, I'm still sure you did.' What can you do at that point?"

Ivins kept in touch with Haigwood via phone calls, letters and e-mails, and while some of the correspondence made her uncomfortable, she never cut off contact with him, a decision she later regretted. She said she sent him polite but curt replies.

"He seemed to know a lot about myself, my children, things I never remembered telling him, which always disturbed me," she said. "I kept him at arm's length as best I could."

She also suspected Ivins of writing a letter in her name to The Frederick News-Post that defended hazing by Kappa members.

Haigwood passed on her suspicions about Ivins to the FBI after the American Society for Microbiology noted that a microbiologist was probably responsible for the anthrax mailings and asked its members to think of possible suspects.

Their e-mail correspondence from 2002 on was brief and cordial, although Ivins did reveal that he was under a lot of stress.

Investigators have said that between 2000 and 2006, Ivins was prescribed antidepressants, antipsychotics and anti-anxiety drugs. The Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases at Fort Detrick in Frederick, Md., where Ivins worked, has offered no explanation for why he was allowed to work with some of the world's most dangerous toxins while suffering from serious mental health problems.

It wasn't until November 2007, after the FBI raided his Frederick home, that Fort Detrick revoked his laboratory access, effectively putting him on desk duty. In the meantime, Haigwood said she worried about what Ivins was up to in the lab.

"After a while, after I decided that he was probably the perpetrator, I was afraid of him," Haigwood said. "I thought that if he found out I had turned him in, he would go after me. And he knew how to do that. This is something his colleagues don't seem to recognize in him"

Haigwood said she was not aware of Ivins stalking any other Kappa sisters.

In an interview Friday, Kappa Kappa Gamma executive director Lauren Sullivan Paitson said the FBI asked in August 2007 for help documenting decades' worth of Ivins' contacts with the sorority, including breaking into the now-closed chapter house at the University of Maryland. The sorority disbanded at Maryland in 1992.

But before being contacted by the FBI, Paitson had been engaged in an editing war on Wikipedia.com with a writer by the name of "jimmyflathead" who threatened to post secret rituals and bad publicity about the sorority on the Web site. Court affidavits listed "jimmyflathead@yahoo.com" among Ivins personal e-mail addresses..."
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 3:38 pm

Stick to your guns, Wilbur. Stalking is not a normal behavior, and it appears to date back to at least the early eighties, if not before, so this isn't a case of the FBI driving Irvins into mental instability. The instability would appear to have been there for quite a long time. Unless anyone is suggesting that Haigwood is a part of the camel club that harrassed the Egyptian.
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Postby Wilbur Whatley » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:46 pm

chiggerbit, thank you. And please accept my apologies for some of my nasty comments the other night. I had had one shot too many and should have kept my trap shut.

To everybody: all I'm saying is that we do NOT have enough evidence to reach any conclusion at all about Ivins' guilt OR innocence.

I'm well aware of what a fed frame job looks like. A very close relative of mine got framed for political reasons. I don't trust the FBI at all.

On the other hand, as a lawyer, I can tell you that testimonial evidence, in general, is as reliable as physical evidence, and there is quite a bit of solid EVIDENCE that has emerged about genuinely disturbing and criminal behavior by Ivins, not just quirks. (It is a common misconception that physical evidence is categorically better than testimonial evidence. It depends. Both can be impeached. Very good physical evidence is usually more persuasive as a practical matter, but that is not required by the law.)
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Postby Hugh Manatee Wins » Fri Aug 15, 2008 5:56 pm

Wilbur Whatley wrote:c
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On the other hand, as a lawyer, I can tell you that testimonial evidence, in general, is as reliable as physical evidence, and there is quite a bit of solid EVIDENCE that has emerged about genuinely disturbing and criminal behavior by Ivins, not just quirks.
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Of course, anyone with these liabilities makes a perfect subject for framing as a patsy to close the matter in the public mind.

Which makes me more likely to think Ivins became a convenient news cycle tool rather than suspect him of being The Guy.

Scrutinize the August 18, 2008 issue of CIA-Time Magazine for its two page article on the anthrax case.

Then note the many ways the ads and articles subliminally steer you away from the idea of a white man being responsible for poisoning people. This is a common CIA-Time method of minimizing a story that indicts White Male Power.

All this year the theater set-up to capping this story was deployed in stages using seemingly unrelated materials.

Just pointing to how much perception management surrounds this story.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:17 pm

I see that the anthrax attacker would possibly have had a bone to pick with Daschle and Leahy, two pro-choice Catholics. Whether or not Irvins is the culprit, I'm wondering if non-Catholic terrorists would go so far as to single out, not one, but two pro-choice Catholic Congresscritters. Surely there were other pro-lifers who could have been chosen, possibly Protestant ones. Why Catholic ones? Were pro-life Catholic Congressmen more offensive to the attacker? Not that these two aren't offensive to possibly hundreds of thousands of law-abiding pro-life Catholics, but it is one more piece to consider as far as possible motivation.
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Postby Percival » Fri Aug 15, 2008 7:42 pm

The anthrax letters were sent EXACTLY ONE WEEK before the Senate was to vote on the PATRIOT ACT and the TWO SENATORS who were leading a charge for a NO VOTE on the PATRIOT ACT, Leahy and Daschele, are the ones who recieved the letters in their offices. Both ended up voting in favor of the act, after spending weeks speaking out against it.


This little fact has been largely overlooked by everyone when they talk about the anthrax attacks, although I did notice Jeff touched on it lightly in one of his recent blogs. He is the first person I have seen who connected those dots.
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Postby Wilbur Whatley » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:30 pm

Percival, Jeff was not first on that idea. I've seen that for years and years.

I think chiggerbit is making an excellent point, which I think has already been touched on several times in this long thread.

I'm a very religious Catholic--a genuine true believer, with all kinds of mystical experiences to back it up. I'm pro-life. I just contributed $500 tonight to the Innocence Project, which tries to save people from death row. But I'm ALSO pro-choice, in that for complicated reasons I think there should be a legal right to abortion, although I also think it should be officially discouraged. I'm one of only two such Catholics in a LARGE Catholic family. My cousin and I are outnumbered about 200 to 2. Everybody else HATES, and I mean HATES, pro-choice Catholics like Leahy and Daschle.

It is entirely plausible to me that Ivins went after the two of them in the wake of 9/11, seizing an opportunity, and didn't know a damn thing about the Patriot Act.

As you know, coincidence does not imply causality.
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Postby justdrew » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:35 pm

has anyone said how Ivins would have mailed the letters postmarked from Florida?
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Postby Wilbur Whatley » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:51 pm

I just did several minutes of googling on this. Several sources say all the letters were postmarked in NJ, none in FL, although at least one was mailed to FL.
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Postby justdrew » Fri Aug 15, 2008 9:59 pm

Wilbur Whatley wrote:I just did several minutes of googling on this. Several sources say all the letters were postmarked in NJ, none in FL, although at least one was mailed to FL.


here's my ref:
On the phone that day, S.S.A. Fitzgerald told me that Erin O'Connor (case 2), an NBC aide, had been diagnosed with cutaneous anthrax 17 days after opening a powder-filled letter addressed to NBC News anchor Tom Brokaw. The letter, postmarked on September 20 in St. Petersburg, Florida, began:
"THE UNTHINKABEL" (the Ns are reversed as Cyrillic characters)
SAMPLE OF HOW IT WILL LOOK

The Brokaw letter matched two other biothreat letters, also from St. Petersburg, mailed 15 days later -- same writing, same backward N's and Russian quotes, same threats of imminent bioterror. One was sent to New York Times reporter Judith Miller

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http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/Bioter/messageanthrax.html
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:00 pm

justdrew, I think the answer is in the link you posted recently, Ed(?) Lake's site. Seem to remember something about the address used for the Florida mailing used an old, out-dated address, which led Lake to believe someone had googled the address, and the envelope went through several post offices before it arrived at the current address. But I can't remember if there was an envelope left to find where it was postmarked.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:07 pm

The anthrax letters were sent EXACTLY ONE WEEK before the Senate was to vote on the PATRIOT ACT and the TWO SENATORS who were leading a charge for a NO VOTE on the PATRIOT ACT, Leahy and Daschele, are the ones who recieved the letters in their offices. Both ended up voting in favor of the act, after spending weeks speaking out against it.


I don't seem to recall Paul Wellstone getting one of the letters. But he was a Jew, wasn't he?
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Postby justdrew » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:07 pm

huh? multiple envelopes? someone would have had to open and re-post it. mail get's postmarked at the office of origination doesn't it? I'll take a look... at Lake's site...

ahh well, it looks like all three from St. Petersburg were hoax letters with no actual anthrax.
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Postby chiggerbit » Fri Aug 15, 2008 10:09 pm

Also, I seem to remember from the Ed Lake site that there appear to have been two seperate sets of mailings.
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