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Because a fairly large number of people everywhere tend not to like Jews. Period. Which doesn't mean that it logically follows that Jews are therefore automatically entitled to a nation-state on land that's already occupied. Or anything else of a similarly over-dramatic, absurd, and insidious nature.
--Where is the video evidence of this event?
Normally we discuss such issues here in a forthright and honest manner, because that is why we come to this forum in the first place, but when something involves "the jews" suddenly you're an anti-semetic if you even bring up the funny smell arising from this weird weird act
jlaw172364 wrote:And I still love how people think that any existing nation is entitled, legally or otherwise, to its land, but not Israel. Is Germany entitled to any land? Maybe they should have put Israel where Germany is and let the Germans wander around the globe for a few millenia.
professorpan wrote:Question: how does a man get out of a car carrying a "22 caliber rifle" and walk unmolested right into the Holocaust Museum with it?
By doing it?
Because a fairly large number of people everywhere tend not to like Jews. Period.
The Israeli-can-do-no-wrong crowd is already starting to milk this for all it's worth.
Just made the mistake of cruising past CNN.
"Help! We're being oppressed!"
Yeah, you and a million other people. Oh, including the Palestinians, big time, by YOU.
I mean, it's a bad thing, but I hate to see a militant group use it to justify their own violence against others.
starviego wrote:Came across this interesting note:
http://jta.org/news/article/2009/06/11/ ... lain-guard
dated 6-11-09
The Washington Post in an editorial Thursday... called on authorities to "thoroughly investigate this incident to confirm that Mr. von Brunn acted alone, as was initially believed."
I wonder if they have information that something else happened..
professorpan wrote:compared2what? wrote:I would argue that as much as Jewish people may express vocal disapproval for what Israel does (I do), in the backs of their minds, they are thankful that Israel exists. The Zionist gamble appears to have paid off and now their is a Jewish nation state that is not going anywhere anytime soon and which provides benefits to Jews.
You're a fool if you think that Israel (as a power) gives a flying fuck about the welfare of Jews or any other group of people qua a group of people. Also, it's a genocidal, war-mongering state. Please stop speaking for what people who use their minds have in the back of them.
The main reason that we have a big, showy holocaust museum in the nation's capital -- whereas we not only don't have a big, showy slavery museum anywhere, we blithely accept the numerous, beautifully historically preserved plantation estates that are open to the public all over the formerly confederate south as delightful tourist attractions -- is because big, showy holocaust museums help America feel good about getting involved in the kinds of wars in foreign lands that the military-industrial complex make lots and lots of money by waging. Exponentially more money by a factor of it's-not-calculable than even the enormous sums lavished on various influential figures in federal government by all the pro-Israeli lobbyists in DC put together.
I don't really how this can be a newsflash to anyone familiar with the culture, J-Lo: But please try to bear in mind that the United States, overall, doesn't adore the Jewish people any more than any other country in the Western world. Because a fairly large number of people everywhere tend not to like Jews. Period. Which doesn't mean that it logically follows that Jews are therefore automatically entitled to a nation-state on land that's already occupied. Or anything else of a similarly over-dramatic, absurd, and insidious nature.
In fact, the only reason I'm risking bringing it up is that while it would certainly be nice if you were implacably opposed to the slaughter, abuse, and devastation of the Palestinian people by the state of Israel just because you opposed slaughter, abuse and devastation, that's not apparently the case. So you might want to spend a little time meditating on whether it's possible that it's always been the policy of your little beneficial Jewish homeland to perpetuate a somewhat Jew-hostile status quo worldwise for self-interested reasons that have nothing to do with the Legendary and Historic Suffering of the Jewish People.
In short: Even if you have no heart, just as a practical matter, please don't kid yourself. You're only making things more dangerous for everybody.
You're calling someone else heartless after that vicious, broad-brush, cynically absurd tirade? Funny.
Actually, not funny.
Yeah, the only reason there's a Holocaust museum is because of the military/industrial complex, not because of a human desire to honor the millions of humans killed by an militarized sociopathic cult bent on exterminating entire groups of undesirable people.
Why don't you go find a survivor of one of the camps and explain why the museum is such a farce?
on edit, i can't believe I took the bait.
After the pogroms, the Jews began to realize that maybe it would be better to not just wait around for the messiah, but that it might be better to just set up their own nation to as a pragmatic strategy to avoid extinction.
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