BREAKING: Hughes Arrested for 1981 Alavarez Murders

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Postby Searcher08 » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:08 pm

American Dream wrote:LilyPatToo wrote:
I'm doubtful that a bottom-feeder like Hughes will be able (or allowed) to bring down any of the powerful people who made up the head of the Octopus back then...wouldn't that be something to see?!


I agree, and I'm doubtful also that even the most immediate conspirators with Jimmy Hughes will face justice, much less those who really co-ordianted ed that particular hit job-much, much less the powerful people and organizations who really orchestrated Cabazon.

I don't think it's in the interest of the Riverside County detective co-ordinating the case (John Powers) to really dig more deeply than making the case for anything more than a simple homicide by this one accused perpetrator.

If not, what am I missing?


That he needs to dig as far as he needs to dig.
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Postby American Dream » Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:14 pm

Searcher08 wrote:
he needs to dig as far as he needs to dig.


Well, he doesn't need to dig very far at all to convict Jimmy Hughes of homicide.

It seems like one very key question concerns whether Mr. Hughes decides to tell all he knows, or not.

Unfortunately the powers-that-be seem to have very effective methods for persuading individuals to take the fall for much, much bigger conspiracies...
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:32 pm

(I know that probably this info is not something that Desertfae can chime in on because of the need for secrecy, but I would be interested in getting others' opinions about it.)

Hughes was the head of security for the Cabazon casino. What possible personal motive would he have committing these murders? It seems unlikely that these murders would have occured outside of the influence of "higher-ups". That being said, it seems to me unlikely that a murder conviction can be achieved without delving into motive. To try and convict Hughes without looking into those who gave the order seems a fool's game.

Any thoughts?
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:40 pm

The KSEQ article states:

"Hughes even admitted to shooting at least 6 people in the head as a professional hitman on the website of the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship."

I have seen this statement on Hughes' "Christian testimony" before and wonder if this is actually an admission of the Alvarez murders. The number of victims does not match (six versus three), but it also says that the victims were at a party and under the inmfluence of drugs. Hughes said that he just calmy shot each victim with no one struggling or fighting back which matches the odd scenario at the Ranco Mirage hit - each victim had a single gunshot wound to the back of the head with no signs of resistance. I wonder if he just changed the number of victims to obscure the exact details, but was "confessing" none-the-less.
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Mon Dec 14, 2009 7:54 pm

http://deadlinelive.info/2009/10/05/jimmy-hughes-%E2%80%93-from-cia-operative-and-mafia-hitman-to-evangelical-pastor-2/

Jimmy Hughes wrote:

"One day, the Godfather called me and gave me an order to kill a suspect for thirty thousand dollars. To my surprise, I knew this guy; we used to be friends. But in the mafia, ‘business is business.’ When I arrived at the guy’s home, I was no longer a normal person; I had been exposed to so much violence that I had become a demon. I said hi to the guy and went into his house.

He never imagined that he had just opened the door to death. But inside the mansion, there were five other people who were drinking and snorting cocaine. I thought, ‘I must get this done for the $30,000 that I was being paid;’ however, I did not know who the other five were. Then I thought to myself that I would do a service to society by doing them all. The other five would be added to the contract… for free.

The night began to fall and when I took my gun out, no one noticed it because they were too drugged and drunk. They were all talking nonsense, so I began: “Bang, bang, bang…”

Everyone around me was dead within seconds; no one moved. They were totally unprepared; no one was expecting to die. I had shot all of them in the head. But right after it all happened, and as I was still holding the gun in my hand, between a pool of blood, I would see shattered face of the man that I was paid to kill, and it would feel as though I would see my reflection in a mirror."

Hughes says that he had been friends with the target. Hughes told Desrtfae and Alvarez's son that he had been friends with Alvarez and used to ride motorcycles with him. This would also explain why there were no signs of forced entry at Alvarez's home - he had let in his old buddy Jimmy even though Alvarez must have been apprehensive about Hughes' visit at such a crucial time.

Some details obviously do not match such as the before-mentioned number of victims and no one could describe Alavez's ramshackle home as a "mansion", but those differences can be explained by Hughes altering the story just enough to not be immediately identifiable as a description of the Alvarez murders. But I think Hughes mostly told the truth and that truth is rather damning.
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Postby Cordelia » Mon Dec 14, 2009 10:51 pm

Dr_Doogie wrote:But I think Hughes mostly told the truth and that truth is rather damning.


I agree with LilyPat. This guy's a sociopath, and if he's telling the truth, it's chilling. He reminds me of Richard Kuklinski 'The Iceman'.
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Postby American Dream » Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:52 pm

Dr. Doogie wrote:
Hughes was the head of security for the Cabazon casino. What possible personal motive would he have committing these murders? It seems unlikely that these murders would have occured outside of the influence of "higher-ups". That being said, it seems to me unlikely that a murder conviction can be achieved without delving into motive. To try and convict Hughes without looking into those who gave the order seems a fool's game.

Any thoughts?


Isn't it very common that people are coerced into guilty pleas under the threat of maximum punishment from the State?

And aren't the tendrils of the Octopus capable of reaching behind prison walls, or into Honduras?

For that matter is Jimmy Hughes deeply indoctrinated by the cult he hangs with?

It doesn't seem like this situation would be very hard to manipulate at all by the shadowy forces that must be paying attention to all of this...
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Postby desertfae » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:03 am

Raw video of Jimmy Hughes arriving in California

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIzy-0Cy2jo
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Postby Dr_Doogie » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:03 am

American Dream wrote: For that matter is Jimmy Hughes deeply indoctrinated by the cult he hangs with?


The Full Gospel Businessmens Fellowship is a cult???
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Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:27 am

I would personally characterize the Full Gospel Businessmen's Fellowship as cultish, with links to much more destructive cults, such as the one which death squad dictator Rios-Montt from Guatemala belonged to. However, the general milieu is all rather frightening...

I'm not at all sure about the inner workings of Jimmy Hughes' mind and how devoted he is to a religious cause, but a cold-blooded killer such as himself could easily be wracked with guilt and thus go hook, line and sinker for religion. That's assuming he's not a total sociopath...

Of course I'm only speculating here- he could be using religion for a cynically opportunistic agenda, or not, or any combination thereof...
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Postby compared2what? » Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:00 am

American Dream wrote:LilyPatToo wrote:
I'm doubtful that a bottom-feeder like Hughes will be able (or allowed) to bring down any of the powerful people who made up the head of the Octopus back then...wouldn't that be something to see?!


I agree, and I'm doubtful also that even the most immediate conspirators with Jimmy Hughes will face justice, much less those who really co-ordianted ed that particular hit job-much, much less the powerful people and organizations who really orchestrated Cabazon.

I don't think it's in the interest of the Riverside County detective co-ordinating the case (John Powers) to really dig more deeply than making the case for anything more than a simple homicide by this one accused perpetrator.

If not, what am I missing?


AD, there's just no way to answer that question without doing some investigating or being privy to the investigation. Obviously, they're not going to put an end to all corruption everywhere for all time. But beyond Dr. Doogie's point -- ie, that it would be almost impossible to try him without implicating at least some figures higher up in the chain of command, each of whom would have a damn good reason to sell out still others -- it's totally possible that there are 28 years worth of shit that we don't yet know we're missing. For example, think about what the guy's curriculum vitae was when he decided to pull up stakes and establish himself in -- of all places -- Honduras. In 1985. How do you think he planned on keeping body and soul together in his adopted country, which is not exactly famous for its plethora of job opportunities? And what business contacts might he have had there?

Or, to ask a purely speculative question to which I'm not claiming to know the answer one way or another:

What advantages might someone from the same general background as Jimmy Hughes have seen in getting into a line of work that doesn't have to file income taxes, isn't subject to any kind of oversight or regulation from government authorities, and just happens to involve dealing with -- inter alia -- children who have no guardians or parents to look out for their interests or -- for that matter -- even check up on where they are and what they're doing?

And I really do ask that question prejudice, btw. Because I really don't have any idea at all whether it's a specifically applicable one or not. My point is not that it's true, or even that it's likely. It's that as a general proposition, absent any more particular and certain information, I could make just as reasonable an argument that the activities of Jimmy Hughes Ministries were dubious as I could that the extent of Detective Powers's interest in digging deeply into the investigation is.

I mean, Honduras now is still very much as Honduras was in 1985 only more so when it comes to being too ideally located for illegal-trafficking purposes for it not still to be a major point on one of the main routes by which the drug-and-human cargo heads north in exchange for the money-and-weapons cargo headed to points south (and thence elsewhere, in some cases). Criminal, military and/or espionage operations in Latin and South America have certainly been known to use both religious and secular charitable fronts before. According to Hughes himself, he has extensive professional experience in and around the illegal trafficking business.

So. If, for some reason, I either had to say what I thought about the sincerity of his faith or die, assuming that I had nothing more specific than that to go on, I'd really have to say that I didn't think it would be in the interests of a man with that kind of background and those connections who was a resident of Honduras to dig more deeply into being spiritually reborn or doing good works for the poor than simple appearances required him. Because that would be by far the most reasonable inference I could draw and the most logical conclusion I could reach based on such thin and unrevealing evidence.

In reality, since I don't have any particular or specific grounds for thinking that, as it happens, I don't. But if I did, I wouldn't be any more or any less justified than you are in thinking that Detective Powers wants to let sleeping dogs lie, AD. And in both cases, the reason would be the same: Neither of us knows what we're missing. So come on. Be of better cheer. You don't actually have to fill in those blanks by assuming the outcome you wish for the least. It's not like it serves any activist or otherwise productive purpose, plus it seems to make you feel bad. And perhaps quite unnecessarily.

I know that it's not my business at all. But naturally I don't at all like to see you feeling bad for no very perceptible reason. Can I interest you in a cautiously measured half-full glass of "so far, so good"? You might like it.
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Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 15, 2009 8:41 am

I would submit that being (religiously) brainwashed need not be a barrier to association with the Octopus. Just up thread I cited the example of General Rios Montt, who seemed to feel no particular contradiction between killing off whole villages and being a devoted "believer".

So I really have no idea about Jimmy Hughes in terms of this- I suppose we're going to find out a great deal more about him in the months (or years) ahead...

As to the potential of "the System" to uncover in this case the sordid workings of..."the System"- on that there is I think still reason to be concerned. After all, Detective Powers' mission here is to convict a murderer. Nothing wrong with that, per se.

So there existss the potential for a big revelation of truth, and a potential for justice, but there also exists the potential for coverup.

Nothing is guaranteed here- but that's what makes it so important...
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Postby Cordelia » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:32 pm

Dr_Doogie wrote:It seems unlikely that these murders would have occured outside of the influence of "higher-ups". That being said, it seems to me unlikely that a murder conviction can be achieved without delving into motive. To try and convict Hughes without looking into those who gave the order seems a fool's game.


I wouldn't want to place any bets on the outcome of Hughes's trial, but would question the odds that, if the above is probable, he stays alive to even stand trial. Why would The Octopus stop at silencing one of its own silencers?
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Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 15, 2009 6:45 pm

Aren't there also a lot of people who have suffered in silence, taking the rap for a much bigger conspiracy?
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Postby American Dream » Tue Dec 15, 2009 9:25 pm

http://www.mydesert.com/article/2009121 ... not-guilty

December 15, 2009

Suspect in 1981 'Octopus Murder' slaying pleads not guilty

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The attorney for a preacher suspected in a 1981 triple murder in Rancho Mirage entered a not guilty plea today for his client.

Attorney Rene Sotorrio entered the plea for James "Jimmy" Hughes in Riverside County Superior Court in Indio.

A felony settlement conference was set for April 9.

Superior Court Judge Dale R. Wells set bail at $1 million. Should Hughes make bail, he will have to surrender his passport.

Hughes faces three counts of murder and one count of conspiracy in the deaths of Ralph Arthur Boger, 42, Patricia Roberta Castro, 44, and Alfred Alvarez, 32, who was vice chairman of the Cabazon Band of Mission Indians Tribal Council.

The three were found dead July 1, 1981, in the 35-000 block of Bob Hope Drive.

Hughes, who was security chief for the tribe at the time, is accused of conspiring with three other men to keep Alvarez from exposing alleged illegal activities of the tribe's casino founder John Philip Nichols.

Hughes was arrested in September on the tarmac of the plane he was on at Miami International Airport awaiting takeoff to Honduras.

Hughes had worked in Honduras for 15 years as a preacher for Jimmy Hughes Ministries, which he founded in 1995.

"Mr. Hughes was never hiding out," his attorney said after today's proceeding.

Hughes was flown from Miami to Ontario International Airport on Saturday, said Sgt. Dennis Gutierrez of the Riverside County Sheriff's Department.

The case has been referred to as the "Octopus Murder" because of the tribe's complex connections to government agencies and the lengthy list of people who have been rumored to be involved.
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